I think you should pin this.

@@Aetohatir I already pinned that when I wrote it, dunno if KZfaq unpinned it with the premiere or sth...? Thanks!

I hope you do one of these on second impact. I've been studying the three games a lot more lately and it's hard to find a consistent well of info for all the differences.

Yea, it's purely a coincidence. I started working on it in March and at that time thought it'd end up being just over 30 minutes in the end. (lol)

Rumors are against me, but I hope to see the return of the new generation in 6, praying for DLC

@@neonthunder3261 surely not all, but some sf3 chars are gonna be in for sure. With a base roster of what was it, 24 chars? - we're already 8 chars over the base roster of sf5 (and sf4 arcade for that matter), just gonna be interesting to see who we'll get early on.

@@Gurimoe It's hella unlikely, but I pray to Gill for Remy, my 3S main

@@neonthunder3261 Yea that's unlikely for sure (lol), even though I'd also rather see him return for once in a game rather than e.g. Guile

Thank you! And yea, the stages look really, really nice!

@trueUDG. Same

Agreed, the stages got more dull between each game. I also prefer new gens soundtrack.

@@Gurimoekind of interesting the first two SF3 installments the backgrounds seem flatter. But 3rd strike a LOT of the stages seem to have a fish lens or super tunneled focus on some of the stages. Namely Hugo’s Urien, Akumas, Gills, Remy and Dudley’s. It’s kind of neat when you actually pause to look at those details.

Knowledge is power B)

Thanks! Yea, that's why I made it for NG - Since 3s is being played a ton, and 2i has a lot more players interested in it, there's a higher chance for coverage to come out for those games. I feel like there was basically no chance anyone would make this kind of video for new generation, so I just figured I'd have to make it myself if I wanted to watch that video. And Yea, Sean not having it in 3rd is exactly why I included the info that he has it in new gen, otherwise it'd be not that interesting to hear about after all! I don't think it's help that much though, since it's only off of cl.HK. What he needs is something he can more safely do off of pokes like his his cr.MK I think. Of course, having something is always better than not having something, so it'd help in some way for sure.

Yea, we'll see... Thanks for the kind words!

i like both voices cps3 improved everything tho

@@raidenkeify new generation was already on CPS3 tho

Thank you! Yea, I really dislike stretching 4:3 content to 16:9, so I was left with a bunch of unused space. I figured that if I put into into the game area itself it'd be harder to see at times, so I tried keeping it outside of the game window's boundaries as much as I feasibly could... I still like the little animation of the side bars and them showing the progress for the current section, even if it's kind of unnecessary 😎

Thanks a lot for the kind words!

Thanks, glad you enjoyed it!

Glad you enjoyed it, thank you very much!

Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed the video! ❤️

Thanks a lot!

Thanks a lot, glad you enjoyed it!

Same, I mean, that's the only reason I really made it myself in the end lol. Glad there's more out there who thought that and happy that I've been able to fulfill this need for a NG video like this for some of them!

Thank you! I hope it helps you with checking out the game!

Thanks cru! :3c

Thanks a lot!

Thanks a lot!

Thank you! I tried to make it as easy to follow as I could while not taking too long for it (considering how much there is to cover), I hope I achieved that goal at least somewhat!

Thanks!

Thank you, happy to hear you enjoyed it!! Yea, labbing all of this took quite a while considering I didn't really have any sources at all to read up on, so I just checked basically everything in this video myself (lol)

Thanks a lot!

Thanks for the kind words!

Thank you!!

Lol thanks

Lol enjoy! If all you wanna do is play the game, you can also just get the fbneo emulator itself, but I guess with fightcade you can also play matches online. If you hit F10 on your keyboard you can make a savestate and load it with F9, which may help with trying out combos! (you can bind them to something different as well in the controls (F5) if you scroll down a bunch there, I believe they were called "system load state" and "system save state" but I can't check right now if they were called that)

@@Gurimoe Thanks for the info! It is mostly for savestates and online as I can already play it in the 30th anniversary collection.

Thanks, glad you enjoyed it!!

Thank you! Glad you seem to have enjoyed the video!

Thanks a lot! Glad you enjoyed it!

Thanks!

Thanks a lot! True, a 2nd impact video like this would be great! My new job leaves me with a lot less free time though, so I couldn't make one for it even if I wanted to

I can really recommend GuileWinQuote for this, he's looked at a bunch of games that don't see as much play and goes over their mechanics and what makes them unique as well! Here's their channel: kzfaq.info

Thank you for the kind words! I really enjoy SF3 as well (as might be apparent), but got into it with 3rd Strike (like most people nowadays, I imagine). But I also enjoy looking at how games worked in previous versions, especially arcade titles; and while there's some info and a bunch of match footage of 2nd Impact, there's barely anything available for New Generation (at least none I could fine that satisfied me). For 2I there at least was enough to look at like, tools characters had or didn't have back then, and how it changed their options / play-style, but for NG I had no idea what characters had/didn't have. For example, all I ever heard about Oro was like, "his basic 3S combos don't work so his combo game is trash" and "his SA3 (tengu stones) can 100% ToD the opponent so in the end he's a trash character with one normal (st.MP) and if you hit it you win the round". I really wanted to see what else those chars had (especially those I heard nothing about previously, e.g. Necro), and in the best-case scenario wanted to see a video about it to show me all the cool/interesting bits. But since there's seemingly zero interest in NG compared to 3S or even 2I, I figured it'd never exist unless I'd just make the video myself (lol). The video is kind of rough in spots since I'm not used to making content like this (I especially dislike the voice-over lmao), but I feel like it should suffice to show western audiences what NG is about... Afaik there's japanese videos by now, or in general, that go over NG's quirks, but at least when I made the video there was nothing accessible enough for me to find on it. Anyways, again, thanks for the comment and glad you enjoyed the video!

Thank you for your kind words! Yea, the video is more combo-focused than neutral-focused because well, there isn't really enough gameplay footage out there that I'd have felt confident enough in talking too much regarding how characters would tackle neutral differently due to the game's framedata / options / etc. ... Combo possibilities I can look at without any playing partners, so that's no issue, but the nuances of neutral etc would require a lot more time and enough opponents to cover the entire roster, I think.

Thank you!

Yea, but there's at least 37 frames (after hitstop) between the DP and the SA3; it just felt like it'd have been way too long for the combo to still work if the juggle counter was at jp6 at that point.

Thanks for the kind words!

Gotta keep the pixels nice B)

Glad ya enjoyed it!

Thank you!

Thank you!

Late reply, but thanks for the kind words! And I'm glad you've enjoyed the video! The reason I've made it really is because I also love analysis-videos like that and I've wanted to see one for NG for a long time, but figured the chance anyone would ever make this kind of video was near zero (so I just had to make it to watch it myself lol). If I remember correctly the video got to 10k fairly quickly (over a week or two), so I guess it's just that the video got boosted through KZfaq's algorithm once, and once it left that cycle it started to become harder for the video to gain any traction. There's also probably not that many people interested in any SF3 besides 3rd Strike, so I don't know how many people would even want to watch a video like this. Viewing numbers are fairly irrelevant to me since I don't make any money off of videos, so if anything my reasoning for hoping for high viewer numbers is that it allows people who'd want to watch a video like this to have a higher chance of even finding out it exists.

Yeahhhh it's super useful!

please 😢

Thank you! Very unlikely, it seems to be at least just as much as this video, and this one already took me 3 months since I'm not really a huge video maker (and for now I don't wanna see video editors for a while lol). If I look into 2i some more, at most I can imagine doing singular characters as I check them out, as opposed to the full game.

Hey, thanks! Yea, I haven't seen any updates on the stage port endeavour in a while... And Yea, thanks for the matches! Nah, you were doing fine imo, it could've gone way more even. At most you can tell my necro needs practice lol

Thanks, glad you enjoyed it! And same lol, listening to those kinda vids is really comfy for me

Thank you!

Thank you!

Oh I think I just forgot to mention it, I remember that I know they don't have one (oops) Oh, I didn't test it on them I guess. Cool info! There's also some more fun stuff with Sean I didn't know when I made the video, e.g. you can crouch cancel the recovery of his wheel kick, allowing him to link it to clHK in some situations. Didn't know the Oro SA2 thing either! Sounds useful for some of his combo routes, maybe especially in the corner. Great infos, thanks!

Thanks!

Yea, you can hear the extra hits as well, the tatsu part of SA3 has a lot more hit-sounds playing than in 3S.

Thanks a lot for the kind words!! I don't really upload too often, and the style I do videos in varies a lot I think (this one's the first video I did with scripted voice recordings over it for example)... Plus I randomly upload stuff for different games, including a lot of non-fighting games, which I assume most wouldn't care about. I want to dump all non-FG content on some other channel I think, so at least this channel can focus on fighting game content (which may be less troublesome for anyone who'd like to get informed about just the FG content). Not sure when I'll do the next video (I never really plan these, I'd not even really consider making these kind of videos a hobby of mine, I think) but I'm sure there'll be more to come at some point!

@@Gurimoe I feel you, I mostly focus on patch notes comparison, combo/tech exhibition and low level tech tutorial or "lessons" on more ambiguous or lesser known (to a casual perspective) mechanics and I uploaded a clip of me replaying Valkyrie Profile (huge J-rpg nerd) and it wad by far the least watched video on my channel

he do go brr

THANKS!

Thanks! Very unlikely I'll make anything like that for 2I. I only really made the NG one because I was near 100% sure no one else would ever make it for that game, and I really wanted to watch a video like that myself. 2I has some more people playing it and finding/documenting tech, opposed to NG with barely any at all. I'd assume 2I chars would be more extensive to cover as well (with EX moves added giving eveyone some more options to cover, plus there being 14 chars instead of 10). This video already took me a good ~3 months to make, and during that time I couldn't really do much hobby stuff either... If I'll make anything more (for NG or 2I) it'll be random/assorted tidbits for single characters at best, but there's nothing I'm planning as of now. Right now I don't wanna see any movie maker timelines for a while tbh. :^) But I'm sure there's a bunch of people who like making videos much more than me (and are much better than me at it) that also play and consider making tech videos for 2I.

Oooh, a bunch of cool & interesting stuff! - crLK > stMK to specials: I never tested that, yea. That's cool! I forgot he could do it in 4, too (lol) - ducking only 1st hit canceling to SA: Oh, I had that in the script at one point; I guess I took it out for some part to drag on a little less (I think I did because the part where I wanted to talk about it I changed the route to ducking straight > SA? Which is a better route than just the 1st hit of ducking upper due to the 2nd not being available for SA cancels) - Yea, didn't cover MGB much more because, like you said, not being able to combo into M/H MGB makes it less useful as a whole. - Oh yea, I didn't test ducking upper stuff vs. crouching opponents at all. Thanks! punch&cross works in all 3 games, yea - I didn't mention it here because cross itself seems pretty bad for AA scenarios (which I did talk about), since it's possible (/easier) for the opponent to be able to block the strike after triggering Dud's cross counter. I imagine especially after parrying a Dud stHP and attacking into the cross, the opponent would be at a height where they'd be able to land and block before the cross comes out. Again, cool stuff!

A lot of NG things are completely busted & still would be (or would be more-so?) in 3S I think. I agree some things like a lot of stuff Alex has, Necro's Juggles and stuff like Oro's sideswitch are cool things that'd be fun to have in 3S as well; but I guess like this it's at least a reason to boot up NG and dabble around with what the chars have here lol

@@Gurimoe oh yeah I’m definitely not looking at this and thinking “yeah Sean really needs his basic jump ins to be almost touch of stun combos”. I just think that 3s took a lot of QoL options away when it added a lot and having the best of both worlds would be super nice for a lot of the roster.

Glad to hear! Tell me what you think of the game after completing the vid :v)

@@Gurimoe I've played the game through the sf30th collection (I know) and I've always preferred the whole aesthetic of pre third strike sf3 (third strike is very pretty too though). I always heard it was bad and too janky to be fun, but this video is proving them (at least partially) wrong. can't wait to land these absolutely absurd combos

Hi, thank you fellow 2hu fren! 🐰👍 I'd like to make one for 2I, but that game would need exponentially more work than NG, since it has more 4~5 more characters (Separated Twins into 2 chars, also Urien, Hugo and Gouki), everyone has EX moves (making the moveset and combo-possibilities a lot more complex) and taunts (incl. taunt effects), and the game has seen way more play over the years (so more has been found out already I'd technically have to cover). Also, I'm not really much of a video creator (I think, at least it's not like "my main hobby" or anything), so this video already took me way too long as I fumbled around. (lol) If anything I could see myself making a video covering how the mechanics of 2I changed from NG (and maybe how they would then still change to 3S). Maybe at the end go over some few things I thought are cool character changes from NG (or just noteworthy stuff specific to the chars' 2I iterations) and maybe shoutout some content creators that I know of that upload tech for specific characters. But I don't think I could make anything nearly as thorough as I did with this video for 2I. I currently don't really have the time to make a video like that on the side anyways, however, so I dunno when/if I'll be able to get around to it.

@@Gurimoe Yw yo, also that's a shame. I do know that 2I has a lot more when compared to NG. I figured since you spent a lot of effort doing this for NG, you might be able to documentation for 2I. I can understand you also being too busy with other stuff and what not.

Thank you Son Goku

riwa!!! Always fun playing wit ya, let's play again soon =:3

Yea, I know Double Impact changed some things as well (for the 2nd Impact port), also removing Hugo's ToD in the corner and some Necro juggles iirc, among other things

lol I mean I dunno how to phrase it better, the game just happens to be called New Generation..

@@Gurimoe I have no problem with that. Just thought that was funny. By the way killer video.

@@charleschase7945 thanks!

Same! An Ultimate Street Fighter III, if you will.

nah, a lot of them clash with the 3rd strike stages

@@Majkels ok but most of the NG and 2I stages are better

Grass always greener on the other side etc 3s realistic and monochrome stages make the cartoony playable characters pop out a ton I just wish 3rd strike didnt reuse stages

Thank you! Yea, it seems like not many have labbed New Generation much; Previously I've only played it once or twice on Fightcade & played through it in the 30th Anniversary as well

That's cool! Punctuation is cool, too. It's like the 3rd Strike of grammar

I thiiink I remember he can? But I don't remember it working easily and against the whole cast... Who did it work on again? Notable in NG is that it works against the entire cast, and against certain characters (e.g. shotos) it's so lenient that you can even walk-under instead of dash-under.

Thank you! In case you haven't played any fighting games before, I'd probably recommend looking into something like SF4 or SF5 (since I feel like the "game feel" may end up closer to that, rather than the arcade-era games), or at least SF3 Third Strike, as you'll find more players for that game as opposed to New Generation for sure! I hope you'll enjoy your time playing whatever you choose to either way, though!

The alpha games are the only sf titles I never checked out, I really should at some point...

@@Gurimoe infinites. Everywhere Every character. Alpha 3.

@@taylorbee4010 Except for Upper. That game is in a similar spot to NG tbh

Reshade! You can download the filters I used at the time if you check out my "re:THIRD Update" video, it's included as a bonus for the download of that.

I couldn't combo them into super in NG, at least. I haven't played 2I too much, but doesn't only EX tatsu confirm to SA there? Since EX moves aren't in NG, that one's out of the picture at least. If generic tatsus confirm into SA in 2I as well, then I guess that they got buffed from NG to 2I, yea... They massively lowered the stun though (thankfully)

@@Gurimoe heavy tatsu confirms into SA1 and SA3, part of why SA3 is the more popular choice among other reasons. His stun is also still absurd for 2I

@Mibeador In NG, if both chars hold up after Sean hits his tornado, the opponent leaves the ground 1~2f earlier; so I guess it's minus on hit (like in 3S), but it's not as bad because it's not in throw range. I also tried punishing it with Ken's SA3, and that didn't work, so while it's minus on hit it seems to be safe.

They don't in New Generation. The way it works in 2I is that while there is no EX version of the Universal Overhead, you can still do the UOH with 2 buttons and lose meter as if you did an EX move. If you do it during a specific frame while in Genejin, it'll underflow the value and give you something like 256 bars in return. Since there's no EX moves in New Generation to begin with, "EX" UOH doesn't exist either, so you can't perform this kind of thing here.

Pof (one of the devs for Fightcade 2) made a training mode script that works with New Generation, If you open Fightcade 2 and enter the New Gen lobby there's a button near the top-right corner that lets you start training mode (which includes that input display).

Thanks, I drew her!! She's been my beautiful waifu since 2009 Cute yommu

No

found it kzfaq.info/get/bejne/g7GfhrWCub3Vg2Q.html

At the bottom at the end of the video there's credits; The song's track 9 from the arranged soundtrack of SF3 New Generation, "The Judgement Day"; The full AST is uploaded here, give it a listen!: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/sL-eaJSQ3bq6ZHU.html

And he's arguably not the worst in 3S! He's a beast in 2I as well, so I think it evens out. And Yea, most chars have some cool stuff to play around with!

@@Gurimoe Sean is definitely at least 2nd worst, because as bad as he is, his normals are at least just gimped shoto ones, and basketball mixups aren’t bad. All of Twelve is just nonfunctional

@@theobserver4214 twelve is pretty functional, but does zero damage He wins the neutral in most match-ups (unlike Sean), but it's not like that wins him matches if he can't get any reward for it. Like I said Sean is arguably not the worst, but there -is- a debate

I believe the discount NG tourney also has some bans (to the infinite) in place; and honestly, at a low to intermediate level at that point Sean is more annoying/scary to death with than the Ibukis I've fought personally. I think the players there just enjoy the other chars more, rather than it being n agreement (or such) to not pick her at all. I think what I've seen online most commonly are like Sean, Ryu, Alex and Oro

@@Gurimoe yeah I play dudley Alex and ryu

me 2

What's the point of doing TAS combos if I wanna see what combos are applicable in real matches? TAS stuff is cool, but not the point of the video

​@@Gurimoe Third strike has a lot of super hard to do stuff that most players can't do, but that doesn't mean they're not viable options. Don't you think expeting yourself to be able to do every viable combo in a game almost nobody plays is a bit too much? There's nothing wrong with using tools to show some things off even if you personally can't do those things

He do be goin brr

Blanka is definitely closer than Guile or Honda, I would just prefer Sean as the 'Brazilian' representative

I agree I'm tired of seeing the world Warriors (replace E. Honda, Blanka, Guile and Dhalsim with Alex, Remy, Dudley and Makoto)

Also great video

u got da pun 👍

@@ghoulin9532 Thanks!!

The music is from the clips I used; at the time of recording there was no Rom that had just the game sounds without the music (that I know of), so my options were A) have no game sounds and just music (so the different sound effects and character voices couldn't be shown off), B) play the music over the game sound (so you'd hear the song twice at different points, probably being more jarring than just once), or C) keep the original sound (which in turn has to be cut off with every clip). I went for C, but did use A for some parts of I could help it (for a lot of the intro/mechanics stuff and for e.g. Ibuki's airwalk glitch options). I'm sorry if it's jarring, but I think it was the least "annoying" out of the three possible options for listeners...

@@Gurimoe hmm there's no no bgm version of ng roms so whatever I guess don't mind it, it's still a very good video, do you plan on doing one with 2i?

@@saltyluigi4011 full video no way I think, since I feel like a lot of chars would end up being 20 minutes or longer (like double of what they are in NG), and I've already spent 3 months to do this video lol If I end up making something, at best it'll be single stuff (just mechanics or just single chars), or just post random 2nd impact stuff rather than a full coverage.