One of the major devs needs to do it, but also xbox needs to make a controller with one. No aim assist.

Imagine a AAA quake reboot with flick stick and gyro built in on consoles, it might actually make arena shooters popular again

@@dbelow_1556 it would work well for the gameplay for sure.

Well done! I checked out your channel, and your controller looks very useful! Nice to see someone else making use of the gyro.

Thank you!

Thanks very much! I definitely want to see this implemented in games

Thanks! I just want to see it officially supported in games. And for that, we hopefully just need to get enough people excited about it!

@Steve Berman Thanks, Steve! That's very generous of you! The best ways to reach me would be on Twitter twitter.com/jibbsmart (my DMs are open), or at the email address on my channel. I'd love help getting the word out, and perhaps marketing, too! (Also, I haven't figured out KZfaq DMs yet)

Thanks for the heads-up! I'll have to check it out

Thanks! The idea was inspired by Splatoon's quick turning, but changes a lot. I was surprised by what a difference it made to not have to press a button to trigger it. Overwatch is pretty good about having settings to automatically recover from recoil animations, but I haven't tried Roadhog with it. I'd love for games to implement this natively, because then things like recoil are up to the designers. But yeah, I agree, a "disable gyro" button is usually a good idea. In DOOM I have it mapped to the circle button. If you don't have buttons to spare, you can share it with another action (hold to disable gyro) or have the gyro disabled while using flick stick. It's not ideal, but still better than legacy controller aiming, I think! I'd love to see Steam add support for flick stick

Bruh i have a lot of hours in splatoon and didn’t knew about the quick turning

It's actually there now in Big Picture mode

Thanks, Jordan! I sure hope so :) That's been my experience with it over the last year

Analog Stick aiming is not completely terrible. You can get good at it even without Aim Assist. But yeah, GYRO and this new Flick Stick seems way better.

@@stoopidhaters Yet neither gyro or flick stick is nearly as accurate as a mouse nor is it as natural feeling, not to mention game mechanics like strafejumping and bunnyhopping still aren't capable with it due to how the machine is reading the input from the controller. Nor does it deal with the issue of still having a SEVERELY limited number of buttons on the controller to map weapons, items, and abilities too.

​@beanwithbacon this is honestly false. How natural it feels is based on getting used to a new input. All of the things you mentioned are possible on a controller with a good configuration and practice.

Thanks!

Some folks pick it up quickly, some take a while but then love it, and some end up sticking with gyro + traditional stick. I hope it goes well for you!

There isn't yet. But it can't hurt to give this feature request a bump: steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/1631916887496679155/

@@JibbSmartGD there is now steamcommunity.com/groups/SteamClientBeta/announcements/detail/4119055961236855584

@@ZeroOne130 wait, is this possible to do on the steam controllers right TouchPad? I don't see the option?

@@ZeroOne130 nvm I forgot to opt into the beta. Jibb is credited in the UI it's pretty neat

@@ZeroOne130 Omg the beta is so broken no steam game, any steam game, will launch. When I opt out of the beta the games will launch again, how is that even possible?

Haha, thanks :)

Not that I know of. Some of the folks at Valve know about flick stick and were considering it, but it's been a while and I haven't heard anything about them adding it.

@@JibbSmartGD My bet is Valve are working on it. If they are nice enough to add Controller Support from different consoles and added Gyro, then I'm confident Flick Stick is a work in progress.

It's a program I'm working on called JoyShockOverlay. It's not ready to be published yet, but it works well enough for me to make my videos. It appears live on my screen while I play.

@@JibbSmartGD Thanks. I really hope that you publish this program for us to use it.

I've never used a trackball myself, but I'd be interested to try it. I hear good things.

My proposition for more than a decade now is to at least implement ScrollWheels in these traditional 2 handed controllers. Since IMUs became common place, the idea is to control "macro" horizontal rotation with the index finger & vertical rotation with hand motion. At it is know we are in some sort of crossroads in regards to controllers where companies will need to make a decision, as button schemes have become contradictory in order to still retain "standarization". There has been enough progress on inputs (Scrollwheels, trackpads, thumbsticks, Capacitive buttons) to just rest each finger in a main input that accepts multiple actions. Is not like they couldn't just sell an extra cheap old controller for retro stuff and embrace something more advanced for current games.

Good question. I think single-player games (so you're not getting sniped while getting comfortable with your controls), especially ones that require a lot of movement. DOOM 2016 and DOOM Eternal work well. I think it helps if you're prepared to force yourself to rely on it a lot to try and get the hang of it, and the up-close-and-personal action of the two latest DOOM games does that well.

@@JibbSmartGD thank you very much! I'll give that a go.

Have you tried running JSM in admin mode?

@@JibbSmartGD Yea. Have the DS4 USB connected and ran JSM as admin but still no luck unfortunately. Ah well.. I probably messed up somewhere.

That's really peculiar, Gary :/ Just to be sure, you also tried not running it as admin, right?

@@JibbSmartGD Yea, I have JSM file on the desktop and tried running the exe file as both admin and non-admin. Actually, when I run JSM as admin, I couldn't even get the gyro working at all even when I'm in Windows. JSM (admin) for some reason couldn't load the config txt profiles by drag dropping, and even when I type the directory the gyro wouldn't register. PS. Thanks for trying to help.

I don't know what else to try from here. Sorry, mate :(

It's custom made so I can show gyro movements. I'd like to make it available to other people, but for now it's really not fit for use without knowing how to work around some stuff. It shows PS4 controllers, JoyCons, and Pro Controller: gfycat.com/singlefewleveret

I think I see that. Some people describe flick stick as a 3D version of 2D twin-stick shooters

the Flick Stick is more meant to be used for controllers with gyro in it.

Maybe it wouldn't. Quick, smooth/granular circular motion doesn't feel good in a notched controller, specially when you want sensitivity to at least 1 degree. It's funny that you mention the GC controller because it's the best designed (or at least with most engineering taught put in to it) than any of the other traditional controllers. For character movement & the style of 3rd person camera control of Nintendo games at that stage, having feedback when passing through any of the 8 directions was quite usefull. Also the GC controller is the only one where the stick placement is based on logic >;D

Not that I've seen. Valve are aware of it, though, and might implement it in Steam Input.

@@JibbSmartGD They did today. At least in Beta.

Not that I know of. Unless you're playing Fortnite mobile with a controller attached to the phone

@@JibbSmartGD man. I wanted to play srb2 with flick stick.

There are ways to do it with Remote play, I think. I haven't done it myself, but I think the idea is that you use an input mapper that can convert any input you want to DualShock 4 input, and play it through your PC? It can be tricky to map gyro input to stick output, though, because there are all sorts of limitations to get past -- deadzones, stick sensitivity, power curve, acceleration.

@@JibbSmartGD I see. So the best way is annoying game devs so much that they include gyro from the getgo.

Yes, but let's go with "persistently but graciously encouraging" rather than "annoying" :P

@@JibbSmartGD gotcha lol

I aim vertically by turning the controller -- gyro aiming. My Counter Strike video goes into more detail about how that works. It's much more precise than traditional stick aiming.

@@JibbSmartGD That sounds like a terrible idea.

Thank you for the kind words :)

Flick stick works alongside gyro -- it's not useful without it. Flick stick is all about how we use the right stick, while gyro is all about turning the controller.

@@JibbSmartGD Thanks! For now i'm struggling to configurate gyro on Steam since lot of games don't allow controller+mouse input at the same time, so we need to configurate a button to use gyro as a mouse and ir ruins the experience and make the key binding really confuses. I will give a try on JoyShocker, but I need to say that it looks really really confuse to me to use.

Gyro has plenty of range for up and down :)

オリジナル gyrowiki.jibbsmart.com/blog:good-gyro-controls-part-2:the-flick-stick

He's a champ! Here's where it started

@@JibbSmartGD and your a genius, hope to see this system in more games!

Thank you! I hope so, too :)

@Hannyabal You don't get a superior device at all though, it's far far less accurate than a mouse and as far as movement, saying an analog stick is better than wasd is just moronic. Due to how the analog stick works and how it's input is read by the machine you are able to change strafe directions MUCH faster with keys than with an analog stick. Then there's the factor of a very limited number of buttons. On MnK I'm able to bind all my weapons to keys that are directly next to my movement keys, being able to move, aim, and change from any weapon to any other weapon on the fly is something that simply isn't possible wtih analog sticks. Go watch some Quake DeFrag movies and then try and tell me that movement is possible with analog sticks, because it's not.

@Hannyabal ROFL, except that with gyro you have to move something in free space. Mouse is still faster and more accurate than gyro controls. If controllers were just as viable for shooters as MnK than devs would have never felt the need to add in a built in aim cheat to shooters on peasant boxes in the first place. You sound like you're obviously rather new to FPS games. Let me guess you started with Halo, right..? Analog sticks simply lack the speed and accuracy required to perform many game mechanics that were standard in FPS games before the asinine concept that they could work with analog stick controllers came to be. Quake's movement is simply NOT possible with analog sticks. You can't even SNAP aim with analog sticks ffs. I know that the stick doesn't need to be pushed all the way to the edge in order to activate the strafe, but if it's pushed at all to left, there is still a delay as you move it past center to the right before it starts detecting input from the other direction. This is why movement ALWAYS just feels slow and clunky with analog sticks. You're trying to argue that analog input is read by the machine the same as digital input, which simply isn't the case and the digital input from a mouse will always offer more speed and accuracy in turn allowing FPS games to be played at a much higher level than with a controller. Then there's the range of motion, larger range of motion will ALWAYS allow for more accuracy. The only people that think a controller is just a functional in FPS games as MnK are people that obviously have never played PC shooters at any sort of higher level.

@Hannyabal I know gyro doesn't have aim assist but it still doesn't allow for the same accuracy as a mouse. Never will. Show me someone playing DeFrag, well, with gyro then get back to me.

@Hannyabal You are completely ignoring the fact that things like weapon switching are still far better done with a keyboard where you can map them to any key you want or the fact that I still get a far larger range of motion while having a flat surface to rest your pointing device on in turn greatly helping with keeping aim steady. If gyro was superior you'd see the Quake pros switching over to it but you don't, so until then you're argument is null and void...

@Hannyabal You're the one with ignorance otherwise you wouldn't be avoiding some key factors that I keep mentioning, such as the limited number of buttons and lack of accuracy. Gyro may be fine for casual games like CS and Valorant, but for fast paced high skill floor/ceiling FPS games it will never compete with a mouse.

It's about convinience. Remenber we are talking about an user base that rejects any form of input advancement that deviates from the "standard". Thumbsticks were surpassed in precision & immersion since 2006, yet in 2020 the Xbox comes with Dual Analog controller.

@@Refreshment01 Fuck that userbase?

lol. I don't know if I like your comment more or your username.

When you want to be a secretary instead of a gamer

Nah, too slow.