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Oh good my tuplet dealer has uploaded

When Shawn dies: Death: Time to go Shawn: was I a good drummer? Death: I heard you could do enneadecatuplets

Music theory involving rhythm is by far my favorite, which is funny coming from a guitar player. It's just awesome to deep-dive into all the weirdness.

Assuming Sungazer goes deeper into hypertuplets, I wonder at what point it will become more practical to have the time signature be based on the tuplets, as opposed to having the tuplets nested inside a time signature.

Threshold is one of those songs that sound completely new but also like it has always existed; I don't know how to describe it.

When I took lessons with Chris Coleman he had and exercise called “Trash”. Where he would put the DR. Beat on a pattern, and purposely try to get lost and come back and hit the one. What this exercise did was train the brain to feel the whole block of time as one big blob of space that you could do anything in. Instead of the academic approach which was to feel every micro subdivision. He was also a self taught free thinking player

So glad for the breakdown of this song! I’ve listened to Threshold countless times over the last few days trying to understand it. Fast and slow at the same time, it broke my brain. My best guess at the time was 5 5 and 7, but now it makes so much more sense! Lol I was so close…

The "humanity" you mention about the odd time subdivisions brings in the concept of microtiming. Both Adam and you have touched the topic of music cognition, which is an endless journey of discovery to understand why and how humans are making the choices we make in order to make music make sense and be more appealing! Great job on the video

If you want to practice the hand speed for the 19 tuplet at 33 bpm, you can play triplets at 209 bpm. They are they same speed (627 notes per minute). It's also almost exactly the same speed as 16th notes at 157 bpm (628 notes per minute).

So great seeing people pushing boundaries

double upload just like that? love you guys

Breakin it down as 5 5 5 4 is what i was thinkin. I love the vibe of taking a more comprehensive tuplet like 5 or 3 and then choppin a beat off for a angled rhythm. Like making 11 like 3 3 3 2 or i often do 18 like 5 5 5 3, with the quintuplet groove but its like the last accent is also the first downbeat

fun fact, footwork music's 16ths come in at 93.75 milliseconds each, OR LESS - just past the threshold apparently. cool video, feel like I know a little bit more now why 160bpm sounds so good haha

"It's all in 4/4," they said...

The point Adam makes at the end of the video is very true, and I recommend Metal Music Theory's video on Car Bomb and perceptions of time from the point of view of the creator, performers, and audience.

The first time I listened to this I thought I was crazy for thinking that my perception of the pulse was changing over time, but it totally makes sense! There actually are a lot of different ways for your brain to lock into it.

Adam needs new driving glasses. They give me anxiety

I just think it's so cool how Threshold is at the same time, very slow and very fast, just such a cool idea.

I've always felt that playing tuplets was just a matter of how you're "feeling" the resolution, but playing them as time signatures is where the mastery comes in, you'd have to make them sound as "music". And that was always the challenge for me. Otherwise it's still just 4/4 in the end...

that's so fucking insane. A song that is written in 4/4, felt in 3/4 and played in 19/16.

6:19 one of my favourite adam quotes

Thank you for not only giving this experimental music, but also the explanation of how you feel the pulse depending on the context

Will there be a physical release of the album? I'd buy the record or cd in a heartbeat!

ive been wondering why this song itches the scratch in my brain like it does thank you for this video!

At 9:28 you describe a way of feeling the pulse as 5/4 with last 16th note missing, which actually reminds me of one of the last sections in Dream Theater's "Home" at around 12:21 on studio recording. Mike Portnoy basically does the same thing, though it's not subdivided into 19-tuplets, but is like a 19/16 time signature, which is easier to count as a 5/4 with a missing beat. Great stuff!

As a musician who cooks to make money, I truly appreciate the spider racks you have in your studio. Now I need a couple...

Shawn is the drummer's drummer of drummers who are drummers' drummers.

As a lifelong drummer who learned by playing along to rock / classic rock / pop / hip hop this is pretty brain-breaking and awesome! I salute your talent, ambition, and creativity!

I’m feeling this in 5, 5, 9

I guess my love for adam neely brought me here! Not disappointed!

Well, technically this is playing in 19/16. If we are talking about 19tuplets we won't write those down in groups of 6 & 7. That's why in theory we don't go longer than 9 & 7 because everything else like 19/16 can be written down, created, and explained with all the other "small" subdivisions.

This is in sane bro, i love everything inside THRESHOLD, also the name of the song is so cool…! Greatings from Mexico, love your vids man

This video is why I subscribed this channel. I don't often get to take time to put such technicalities of rhythmic inclination under a deep scope, yet I have a taste of rhythmic awareness that's assisted my feel to play with virtually every band that has needed me as a drummer. This is true rhythmic composition at its finest. Thanks for the content as well as giving insightful perspective to musicians that also aren't drummers.

That's a cool looking metronome

"so stay tuned, and talk to you soon" Yesss! More Shawn Crowder soon! Thank you for sharing all of this with us ❤️

G o d your excitement is so contagious I loooove this

Criminally underwatched channel

New tuplet just dropped

I’ve only recently started listening to you guys and I’m in love. Amazing stuff.

Let's buy a new pair of glasses to Adam

This feels like a silly question, but what is that metronome used in the video? It looks really useful

The best kind of tuplets, you’re a master at this my dude!!!

New album is amazing. Goodness 🔥🔥🔥

I love how you present this idea. It's like being in a science fair ( or music fair?) that you and yours alone can manifest it in raw nature. I can see the happiness in you making these hypertuplets into an enjoyable context. Good job!

Zappa’s guitar book is a wealth of musical rhythms. I am going through it and carving out phrases that I feel move me. Being a drummer too, we lay the foundation for the others to lean on. I’ve noticed when I have a comfortable tempo, (36 bpm usually)…I freely start subdividing like mad. I think because melodies seep into my conscious… Bulgarian folk music have people singing in 11with a counter melody in 9. When you start practicing these things it is funny how prevalent they are in your life… I enjoy your talk…cheers!

Drone metal and black metal: You called?

7:34 that was a ~crisp~ mini handclap

larger tuplet rhythms and weird polyrhythms are decently common in modern marching percussion literature

Interesting how different band members counting differently, observed this at a jazz night watching the toe tapping of the musicians, all using different subdivisions, but yet it came together cohesively.

I think feeling it as "3/4" (6+6+7) makes a lot of sense, as many cultures use these patterns of "short short long" and variations. It's like the "quarter note" can be different sizes in many cultures, so no reason to believe we can't also feel it this way in the western world.

I don't know if I'm more pumped about the new songs or the theory behind them! In the end, it's nice to fall in love with new music these days. Thankful and excited. Cheers from Brasil.

I'm really embarassed I was oblivious to the fact you have an awesome channel like Adam's. Subscribed!

10:35 I like the cymbal his as a the censored sound lol

While the main groove may be 6+6+7 (or 6+6+6+1, depending which part you are listening to), notice that the intro focuses us on 5+5+6+3 when the hats first come in before the breakout.

I'll sure be playing around with these rhythms, Thank to You !

When you lay down the pulse it feels, every time, like they are dotted quarters, 6/8 or 12/8. Nothing following that changes this for me. so the 19 sneaks by as triplets, kinda sorta

I can NOT wait for Shawn's SUPER HYPER MULTI ULTRA META NINTEEN TUPLETS

Holy crap, I've been writing music like this for the last year without realizing it has a name xD

shawn is literally music vsauce

Amazing theoretical concept brilliantly applied to real music! I'm stunned!

love the resolution analogy, never really thought about it like that

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You speak so well. Your voice and your inflection work greatly together, very delightful video. Also, great content.

6:20 why does he wear his glasses like that lmao

Waiting for this one! I wondered if there was something to the tune's 33bpm-ness. What did Adam use as the click out of interest? How would sending another simultaneous click to another player work?

ok im music lover but muzik theory not so educated...but i understand what you explain feel it and visualised the sound ...subscriber for sure

I'm getting into the twilight zone of music theory and it's a very scary place

I remember people discussing what the time signature was on tiktok. Guess noone had seen ths video, i hadn't either

This absolutely rules. Love this experiment. Wow. Thanks for this. You rock, dude

Paul Desmond would call this 4 and 4/5ths time haha

Have you spent any time checking out modern dci drumline books and the massive amount of substitution rhythms? Wild stuff. Especially when you are on the move and playing with a full line. I like your channel!

Cursedtuplets

EVERYTHING IS 4/4

4:45 a doted quarter note to is worth a quarter plus half of one. So when we have what I call faut de mieux a doublely doted it is a quarter plus half plus a quarter of one. Add it all we get a note worth seven sixteenth. We theoretically keep going with triplely doted and quadruplely doted notes.

What app is displaying the beats in the first 20 seconds of the video?

This is fucking sick

When two of my favourite KZfaqrs upload at the same time on the same topic ;)

Hear & play that 19th note like it’s a pickup note into the next bar.

me at the beginning of the video: "Just play in a different time signature?" I'm glad I told myself to shut the f*** up and watch the video. Thank you for this, Shawn.

hypertuplets, hyper pop. 2021 damn

I counted this song in 10 but the last beat was half the length of the rest in order to figure out the 19s the first time around.

i kinda wanna hear hypertuplets used in an acoustic, stripped-down type of track

Instant subbed

Awesome. I've been doing this with 19 for years because it's a lucky number and sounded fun. But I'm just mapping in logic and cannot really play any of the instruments live. I love playing with the count and feel. Though I often use other numbers too and also I am creating them as odd time signatures with varying feels. I'm a self taught songwriter who can count but not read lol

100 ms is the interval between frames of most animated gifs

If a number exists, a there is a tuplet for it

Great video, GREAT tune!!!! Dotted notes= Value+1/2 (so for a quarter note- four 16ths, dot adds 2..... 4+2=6). Double dots- Value+1/2+1/4, so 4+2+1=7. The symbol I'm very sad hasn't caught on, cause it would be SOOOO useful in modern music, is George Crumb's dotted note where the dot goes in FRONT of the note value, which meant Value+1/4 (4+1=5). Would be so useful to have a single symbol for five 16th's instead of always having to use a tie!

Good video. Love that concept

You can definitely tell he put a lot of time into this =D

What metronome app is he using?? I want it

OMG! You are the super master of rhythmic

Shawn slowly transforming into Mike Mangini

19 Tuples and Counting

Very cool song and an interesting framework for notating it. Regarding the perception thing though, I feel like as a result of how close this is to the limit it does make more sense to think of it as 19/16 and that's how I've been approaching it while drumming along around the house (seriously, such a catchy subdivision, great work). The click track is even a textbook example of how you'd probably teach someone to learn 19/16, just take 4/4 and add three extra 16ths at the end. At the end of the day it doesn't really matter what we call something as long as the music is cool, but it is kinda funny that the "why use odd meters when you can just play tuplets in 4/4" crowd has already innovated so hard that they're essentially back to playing in odd time signatures again. Of course, the logical next step for this kind of thing would be to move between different large tuplets in different measures (or even have measures subdivided on a normal grid, the horror!). That would be an easy way to further "justify" notating each of them as tuplets since otherwise you'd be getting very deep into irrational time signature territory... although that doesn't sound like a bad thing either. Obviously a lot of this territory is still best suited to programming though rather than humans, like I've recently had fun doing dumb things like switching meter and large tuplet subdivision every bar while implying tempo modulations within the tuplet in ways that would be wildly unrealistic to perform live, but it's exciting to see all these present day virtuosos actually pushing closer and closer to the limit every day.

Its like radiohead!

It's nice and all, but really undistinguishable from 19/16 time signature for me. I think that to extract the feeling of tuplets, one needs a stronger pulse to set their counterpart and make those tuplets a more "uncommon" occurence. One 19-tuplet now and then, complimented by regular 8s, 16s etc. might have taken my feel to a different place, song entirely based on such a big-boy tuplet did not.

Amazing video