[Dwain] That's a great combo. Enjoy mate!

[Dwain] cheers James!

Glad it was helpful!

[Dwain[ cheers Jimbo, it's a really nice tool.

M Lino - Gotta agree. I just spent the entire day taking the plumbing out of a gigantic old building, and the Hackzall Fuel, with the big battery, and Diablo blades were a Godsend.

heavy as hell on the hand though

[Dwain] pleasure mate.

[Dwain] Are you implying that I'm not a perfect hackzall cutting machine?!? hehe

you're welcome :D

[Dwain] usually the more powerful and heavy tool will feel better in the hand :)

I use the high capacity packs over the slim packs for that reason too!

[Dwain] Thanks victor

[Dwain] I also think it would be interesting, but comparisons are a LOT of work, and I just don't think it'll get enough traffic to be worth it. :(

the 18v hackzall's featured here are a fair bit more powerful than the 2520, but I don't think 4" cast iron pipe is going to be easy for them. If you have the space a cordless bandsaw would be better for that sort of work.

[Dwain] they're much lighter and easier to handle, but not in the same power category as for instance the Milwaukee FUEL sawzall.

Oz Tool Talk Thanks, that is about what I expected.

(Mike) Standard recip blades mate.

no, they don't make a brushless hackzall. only their larger sawzall.

yes they can all take the same blades.

Thanks for sharing!

[Dwain] I often say that if you can find any other tool to use other than recipro saws (same with multi-tools), then use that. But sometimes there's just no other tool for the job. I think you'll find the best of the 18V cordless tools (like M18 FUEL Sawzall) are not far behind corded. As you say, cutting pipe is fantastic with this type of compact recipro. Same goes for tree pruning.

SuperSonorous Try the 60v Dewalt. You won't use a corded saw again.

Sounds good. We cut insulation for commercial roof all day, so I feel the M12 seems practical on the job. We use hand saws, too. However, it's perfect for laying in roof with time sensitive adhesives.

Why, sawzall's are not made for cutting thick metal, that's a job for a band saw.

[Dwain] not sure myself. My work mate recently used his M18 hackzall with 2ah battery in a very tough task (thick 180mm HDPE pipe) and reckons he got about 15 minutes of work done (6 cuts).

I think there would be a big difference in power between the FUEL Sawzall (2720) and the M12 or M18 Hackzalls.

[Dwain] but the hackzall was quite unique until now.

we just did a full recip comparison for the one-handed units, including the FUEL. Go check it out!

Vince King I have no doubt that your Ryobi would do that, with anything it's also a matter of speed and longevity. Not sure the Ryobi would hold up to as much work/abuse. MAY be wrong but that's my feeling. And yes blades makes a huge difference I think. 👍🏼 (mike)

[Dwain] the Ryobi recip punches above its dollar value in my experience, though my dad's did only last 18 months or so. I would expect it to probably be on par or just ahead of these compact saws, but these can be used one handed and are much lighter. Full size recip saws take the same blades as the compact ones (from tiny 12V units to mega BL 'sawzalls').

Complex (mike) For me ‘formfactor’ and the ‘compact style’. I’m not a fan of the long recipro build. Just a personal thing for me.

Hmm, ok - cool. I'll check'em both out and try to get a better idea. Something smaller is also better for me, so long as it can still cope with the electrical trade and has versatility in other applications too. Thanks.

I think that’s probably wise. (I’m thinking having both could be wise too?) I see that for me anyways.....architectural restoration guy here and so many tight situations.

Reciprocation saw is a typical demo tool. Maybe also for concrete formwork. Hacksaw is more an Lkround cutoff tool for pipe, small beams, wood, brenches. If you need one for home take the hacksaw

[Dwain] Yeah I am also surprised there isn't a FUEL M18 Hackzall.

Ari P gattuccio boh 12 v

Oz Tool Talk ...think 2017 has brought out a 18v fuel hacksaw

Ari P they do now.

the M12 FUEL is the only one we still have (M18 was a lend and Bosch was stolen). The FUEL is still going great!

@@OZToolTalk , Glad to hear that the M12 FUEL is still going great. Sorry to hear about your Bosch being stolen :-(

[Dwain] I'd say get one of these. Whichever isn't too big for the spaces you need to get into.

I think as a plumber also you should have the 12 & 18 V fuel for light & heavy duty work as well as tight spaces under sinks, etc.

[Dwain] sure do! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/h5d1oLudl9fSaKc.html

[Dwain] I haven't done a comparison sorry, so it's hard to say. I haven't used the regular m18 sawzall, but the FUEL sawzall certainly has a LOT more power (and weight) than the hackzall.

I heard it was the same motor between the sawzall and fuel hackzall

14.4V is still a thing, but its very uncommon to see in Australia. Certainly rarely used by tradespeople. It's much bigger in Europe I believe, maybe Asia too.

[Dwain] please mate. my dad always taught me to try to get about 2-3 teeth in the thickness of the material (for steel). for branches and stuff, just get the most aggressive pruning blade you can find :)

radicalaccounting what you described is the m12 easily. Light weight compact easy to use and it's still powerful enough to take on the big jobs just a bit slower. As far as the blades the ones with larger wider spaced teeth are for wood and the ones with smaller close together teeth are for metal

[Dwain] google it ;) i didn't even look it up sorry. and it depends where you buy.

[Dwain] nah i haven't, just wanted to compare the models of this shape today :)

[Dwain] cheers!

They have a warranty. Were they the brushless Fuel models?

At least you have a 5 year warranty to benefit you

[Dwain] bit late now unfortunately.

[Dwain] it would be good, but I don't own a lab, it's just my workshop. I did my very best to apply equal pressure to each. Even weighted tests are flawed if you don't take the tool weight into account. They're accurate for vertical down cuts, but not sideways or upside down cuts.

[Dwain] I did, but that wasn't a fair fight. I only included the M12 FUEL to see if it competed with 18v units as I'd heard some people claim.

[Dwain] huh? at what point?

+Oz Tool Talk I was just joking about the way Brits and Aussies use Zed instead of the 'Murican Zero

[Dwain] when a tool (like reciprocating saws) has a limited motion, it can struggle to clear chips in thicker material. Rocking the tool reduced the area you are cutting at any point in time allowing the tool to clear the chips properly. Many people do this with recipros. :)

(mike) They are 100% genuine batteries mate.

Oz Tool Talk at 0:22 when you start talking why is there huge numbers on the sides of the batteries then. Milwaukee has never made a battery look like that

sorry my ignorance got the best of me. I'm American and we don't have batteries that look like that haha. those look really similar to the knock off ones I see all the time on amazon and ebay

(mike) No worries mate. i was about to ask where you're from. 👍👍

Hmmm interesting point. Where's your info from please?

@@OZToolTalk Google

so you say, but I see contractors using this technique all the time, as I do myself on site. It reduced the cut depth and therefore the load on the tool. I use a reciprocating saw several times a week.

Oz Tool Talk Reducing the load on the tool is a ridiculous statement if I have ever heard one. The tool is built to work and it is not going to be stressed by not rocking it back-and-forth like an untrained person. If it was meant to rock back-and-forth the guide on the front would articulate but it doesn’t so it is not meant to. BTW I am a commercial electrician and I use power tools like a sawzall as well as a bandsaw very frequently And I do not pay attention to what the untrained do I pay attention to the immortals that brought me into this amazing trade. When you see somebody rocking a saw back-and-forth like that you know they are a newbie. Many times during your video you do not rock the saw back-and-forth So why the inconsistency. As well if you want to know a tools real capabilities do you have to let the tool engage the material 100% of the time and not rock it back-and-forth. Non-scientific nonsense, Definitely not an accurate comparison.

Remember some rocking is not a tool sin, because you'll be all day if you wait on the tool

It's the same as calling tissues 'kleenex' or a vaccuum cleaner a 'hoover'.

Milwaukee ergonomics and designs are worse than Milwaukees said nobody before...

Roberts Manguss Bosch tools are really bad..

Roberts Manguss lol

(Dwain) I did say that I only included the M12 FUEL is heard people claim it was the match of the 18v unit. In any case, I think it helps people to choose their best fit, and the M12 FUEL held its own!

Comparing the M12 in this review is very intelligent because a specialty tool is more about proper use over Neanderthal muscle. (A soccer player would kick the hell out of a boxer in a “pine cone fight”....) Lol

Whatever rocks your boat is what matters