Haddon Hall disused Railway Tunnel. Why build it ?

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Martin Zero

Martin Zero

2 жыл бұрын

Haddon Hall railway tunnel is a disused railway tunnel in Derbyshire Peak district England UK. The abandoned railway line was closed in the Beeching British rail cuts during 1968. This was because the line was duplicated as a trans pennine route across England. The tunnel was never needed to be built it was only built for aesthetic reasons primarily because The Duke of Rutland did not want Steam trains passing across his land. So it was buried underground. Built by the Midland railway company in 1861 it is another fine example of Victorian engineering. We explore this railway walk with Paul and Rebecca Whitewick from every disused station.

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@MartinZero
@MartinZero 2 жыл бұрын
The Whitewicks channel kzfaq.info Rebeccas online shop www.whitewickvintage.co.uk
@pwhitewick
@pwhitewick 2 жыл бұрын
Massive thanks for having us along. Always a pleasure.
@edwardbyard6540
@edwardbyard6540 2 жыл бұрын
@@pwhitewick Not far from Haddon there is a millstone graveyard with quarry railway incline + winding house partially intact. Its a bit of a walk but easy enough. Want to do an explore with me one day? Maybe another collab with Martin...
@CarlSmith-bs4qx
@CarlSmith-bs4qx 2 жыл бұрын
Classic example of the UK short-term transportation planning. How very useful a St-Pancras to Manchester link would be today; not to mention the scenic offerings via the Peak District, it would be a line people would travel on just for the scenery
@EATSLEEPDRIVE2002
@EATSLEEPDRIVE2002 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video as always Martin! The lake of doom was definitely a surprise, I don’t blame you for not wanting to stand next to that wall. Very respectful of you to tribute the men who died… I bet they never thought someone would be paying tribute to them still after 170 years.Thanks for all the great content, cheers from 🇺🇸 🤘😎
@mileshigh1321
@mileshigh1321 2 жыл бұрын
Nice to see James standing on the van filming in the background! 🤣
@MartinZero
@MartinZero 2 жыл бұрын
Quiet this week
@nigelt1218
@nigelt1218 2 жыл бұрын
Fitting to end with a tribute to the workers tragically killed during the original construction. Great video, I could feel the cold water.
@jimxanadu4915
@jimxanadu4915 2 жыл бұрын
Another brilliant video. Forget national geographic and history channel with their half hearted attempts at reasearch. Watch this well reasearched , well edited , interesting video from Martin. Somebody give the man a big budget to carry on making his amazing videos. Don't know if there are awards for KZfaq vids but if there are, I will be voting for all of his. The man is a legend.
@havingalook2
@havingalook2 2 жыл бұрын
Oh, we missed James, very much, however Liam is a lovely addition. Nice to see Rebecca and Paul! What a brilliant tunnel. Fancy all that cut stone rather than brick. James' brews are not brilliant - ahh, poor James. He isn't present so he is fair game! Thank you for this unique tour. Well done.
@dickot
@dickot 10 ай бұрын
watched several times - a fascinating example of quality engineering and construction.
@joshmallon
@joshmallon 2 жыл бұрын
NIMBY in 1861. Gives a neat piece of history for you to explore and share with us.
@SteamRoller605
@SteamRoller605 2 жыл бұрын
This line wasn't a casualty of the Beeching Cuts. The Beeching Report recommended keeping the line open and developing it as a through route. It was closed by Transport Minister Barbara Castle. Good video as usual Martin.
@Zentron
@Zentron 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, sadly she had a bit of thing against the railway for some reason, so the promises of reversing Beeching went by the wayside and she closed much of the lines and stations laid out in the report and many others beyond it. That said, MacMillan should never have been elected Prime Minister, him and Marples have a lot to answer for!
@SteamRoller605
@SteamRoller605 2 жыл бұрын
@@Zentron Marples fled abroad, said to be evading a tax bill. He also was on becoming Transport Minister had to sell his shares in his haulage empire, which he did, to his wife!
@barrieshepherd7694
@barrieshepherd7694 2 жыл бұрын
Yes - Beeching gets blamed for a lot of line closures but it was Minister of Transport Marples (a Managing Director of a road construction organisation) who directed him to force through the recommendations almost entirely without any independent review. Barbara Castle then added to the pain, nearly always in favour of roads.
@Zentron
@Zentron 2 жыл бұрын
@@SteamRoller605 Yup, he did that to get around the laws governing taking public office, sadly the loophole he used to skirt this law is still in place today! The company he had shares in built a few of the M roads near me, and the rail line that went through my town was sacrificed in order to justify its construction, this sacrifice pretty much killed off every bit of industry for all the towns the line went through for which none have recovered. Unfortunately this scenario is repeated up and down the country, plus from checking some financial info, the cuts by laid out by Beeching and after, when the railways began being dismantled, our industry took a nosedive, so in effect, the rail cuts destroyed our worth in the world.
@SteamRoller605
@SteamRoller605 2 жыл бұрын
@@Zentron Politics has a lot to answer for.
@andrewcalder4580
@andrewcalder4580 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant and so informative. So much better than the "celebrity" presenters on mainstream TV, yes, you lot at the BBC, take note. Many Thanks, Andrew.
@gslug1
@gslug1 2 жыл бұрын
Regarding the single sleeper, it has a broken chair. The usual method of removing track for scrap is to cut the rails into lengths that will fit on the wagons being used, and lift both rails and sleepers as one. The chair would mean this sleeper wasn't attached to one of the rails and would likely fall off during the lift. It has no scrap value, so would have been left.
@dn744
@dn744 2 жыл бұрын
I love your rambling. Sadly my health won't let me now. So, if I can watch these, it's close enough
@SMILEVIDEOTRAINS
@SMILEVIDEOTRAINS Ай бұрын
Fantastic presentation and what a MORE FANTASTIC END. GREAT ENTERTAINMENT 👍👍
@danehardinge8801
@danehardinge8801 2 жыл бұрын
Hats off to you Martin. I live here & have only ever seen the tunnel from the 'Lake' end just below the Bowling Green Farm where I laid most of the hedge in Derbyshire style using only hand tools (My claim to fame). In due course this tunnel will be part of the Monsall Trail. My understanding is that Haddon Estate has already given permission for Sustrans to continue the Monsall Trail through the Haddon 'Tunnel' so it will link The Trans Penine Bike Trail Buxton to Matlock There's a bit of work still to be done mind from Combes Road viaduct to the 'Lake-entrance'. I admire your love of things old and architectural.
@mistreku
@mistreku 2 жыл бұрын
Mate, the level of research and historic bits is very much appreciated! I can only imagine how long these vids must take you! Cheers for taking the time!
@MartinZero
@MartinZero 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you much appreciated
@paulnicholson1906
@paulnicholson1906 8 ай бұрын
My grandad worked at Hassop station and also did track maintenance although between Hassop and Great Longstone. He retired in the late 1950’s. I do remember trains on there, the last one just north of Hassop in 1968 I think.
@icewizzard666
@icewizzard666 Жыл бұрын
Cracking vid Mart, great seeing Paul and Rebecca, big fan of theirs too!
@matthewhodder3029
@matthewhodder3029 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video Martin. It makes a good companion for the Whitewicks video
@JemTheWire
@JemTheWire 9 ай бұрын
A great collaboration. Jeez, when I saw the water high against the portal, I would have needed a change of underwear! Yet another well-made and educational video. I am addicted to your channel.
@mileshigh1321
@mileshigh1321 2 жыл бұрын
Nicely filmed Martin! Of course always love your colabs with the Whitewicks! This tunnel that was pointless except to appease one person, was still built with mainly cut stone instead of brick! The cost must have been high! That center part that had been opened was very unique and beautiful! I also enjoyed you putting the camera into some small and wet areas! Bring Liam along again for better brew ups!
@ValeriePallaoro
@ValeriePallaoro 2 жыл бұрын
Surely, given the time frame, the cost depends on availability? Locally sourced stone would be preferable to long travelling delivered brick in that case, I would think,
@NinfaCarpentergeorgia198
@NinfaCarpentergeorgia198 2 жыл бұрын
Rebecca is a pleasant addition to this episode. Hope you have her back often mate!!!
@ValeriePallaoro
@ValeriePallaoro 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with you, I've just sub'd to her you tube channel to get more of her intelligent idiocyncracy. Should be fun.
@brettjones5041
@brettjones5041 2 жыл бұрын
thanks Marti Paul Rebbecca great adventure
@kohedunn
@kohedunn 2 жыл бұрын
Another great video Martin and friends ! xx
@Basaljet
@Basaljet 2 жыл бұрын
Good to see you guys together. Rebecca looks best! That “wall” looks ready to go. It was hardly constricted for that weight of water
@Basaljet
@Basaljet 2 жыл бұрын
There again, from certain angles Martin…
@yonmons
@yonmons 2 жыл бұрын
Second attempt at viewing as I dozed off on Sunday half way through after a hefty Sunday Roast, and woke up I know not where in active KZfaq land. Enjoyed that mate…as usual all good stuff.
@tharkthax3960
@tharkthax3960 2 жыл бұрын
When you found that square in the wall - it looked like the scene from Labyrinth where the entrance was hidden in plain sight! You have the best adventures ever, keep them coming 🙂 Thankyou for the videos
@tardismole
@tardismole 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant collab. And a fascinating and beautiful tunnel.
@1963TOMB
@1963TOMB 2 жыл бұрын
I'm beginning to like Haddon tunnel now that I've watched 15 different videos of it!
@mancdave123
@mancdave123 2 жыл бұрын
Another fantastic video Martin, thank you 😎
@bobjackson6524
@bobjackson6524 2 жыл бұрын
That was brilliant. As usual. Really enjoyable. Thankyou.
@MartinBrenner
@MartinBrenner 2 жыл бұрын
Wonderful new adventure, thank you very much!
@Pommy381125
@Pommy381125 2 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed that! I was worried about your brew getting dripped in! Plus of course Your homage to Stalker was very apt!
@MartinZero
@MartinZero 2 жыл бұрын
Ahh yes, glad you noticed that 😄
@jeffjones6107
@jeffjones6107 2 жыл бұрын
Great video Martin, thanks for showing long forgotten history 👍
@brianaveriss7972
@brianaveriss7972 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for another gem.
@nilo70
@nilo70 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this happen ! Always interesting to see your adventures !
@MartinZero
@MartinZero 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Olin
@RobEJC
@RobEJC 2 жыл бұрын
Bringing in Paul & Rebecaa with Martin and Liam - puts the Dream Team on the scene!
@davidberlanny3308
@davidberlanny3308 2 жыл бұрын
I really didn't expect that photo through the wall of the tunnel that you posted on Instagram to be a dam!! A really interesting place well recorded by both of you, you make a good team!! And I thought the Whitwick's were from Andover, but turns out they live in a tunnel in the Peak District!! Good luck from Spain!!
@dianapatterson1559
@dianapatterson1559 2 жыл бұрын
Martin, I have said it before, but repetition is good for the soul: You are a MARVELOUS storyteller. I had seen Paul & Rebecca's video before seeing yours. Much footage was the same or similar. The facts, save for the death of the 15-year-old, seemed the same, but your organization, suspense, context, are genuinely superior. Now I love Paul and Rebecca, and I do support them, too, but some people have been granted a gift from the gods, and you have it. You can tell a story. Thank you for telling your stories to us.
@MartinZero
@MartinZero 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Dian much appreciated. I do think these places have a story to tell
@andrewyates2618
@andrewyates2618 2 жыл бұрын
Great video Martin made my Sunday evening complete
@bd4_l
@bd4_l 2 жыл бұрын
Such a informative video ty! Excellent Collab as well .
@JustMeZero988
@JustMeZero988 2 жыл бұрын
I love your video's and can never get enough or wait long enough for the next one. I know you put a lot of ground work into making your video's. not just a case of going out and filming anything, then posting it. You do your home work and make an interesting video which is also educational. Keep up the good work and I'll keep on watching. 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
@terryb4972
@terryb4972 2 жыл бұрын
Martin the presentations are getting better and better, great story of course many thanks,
@PeterT1981
@PeterT1981 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant. Clever, informative, entertaining & well videoed. Thank you Martin et al!
@MartinZero
@MartinZero 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Peter
@andykopgod
@andykopgod 2 жыл бұрын
Always nice to see paul and rebekah, really enjoyed the video thanks martin 👍
@oldBRfan
@oldBRfan 2 жыл бұрын
Just amazing! Thank you
@orbitboi63
@orbitboi63 2 жыл бұрын
Hello Martin. Good to see you back up & running. We thank you & the team for putting together another great video. Keith. NZ.
@rogermorris6957
@rogermorris6957 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Martin Thank you for another fascinating Vlog it was good to watch the 2 Vlogs for the various aspects of the show, Both great
@mattlock4035
@mattlock4035 2 жыл бұрын
Great video Martin as always
@davidclark3603
@davidclark3603 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely brilliant that, again!
@gaius_enceladus
@gaius_enceladus Жыл бұрын
Great video! Rebecca's *lovely!*
@Hairnicks
@Hairnicks 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant, lovely Paul and Rebecca with you guys, it doesn't get much better. Fascinating bit of history.
@johndean4998
@johndean4998 2 жыл бұрын
Walking on the wrong side (not facing the oncoming traffic) of a busy main road in poor weather conditions wearing dark clothing was unwise, even over a short distance. Apart from that, your usual excellent video, Martin.
@jakelynam1113
@jakelynam1113 Жыл бұрын
They were on the pavement.
@petertrevena804
@petertrevena804 2 жыл бұрын
Another great video as usual, so infromative👍😊
@johnlaw3323
@johnlaw3323 Жыл бұрын
Another great vid folks with some very interesting facts. Many thanks for sharing.
@lukedavid4393
@lukedavid4393 2 жыл бұрын
I like the Joy Division door closing with you still inside bit good 🤣. Another fascinating video Martin - the airshafts are an amazing bit of brickwork.
@daviespaulaann8913
@daviespaulaann8913 2 жыл бұрын
Great video as usual martin...did miss our james thou....fantastic insight...qell done xxxx
@simonrichards6739
@simonrichards6739 2 жыл бұрын
Love this, teaming up with Paul and Rebecca two of my favourite KZfaq channels!
@martinmarsola6477
@martinmarsola6477 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the informative video. Always a great way to go. Thanks Marty! 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🙂👍🇺🇸
@MartinZero
@MartinZero 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Martin
@tomsurbanexplore
@tomsurbanexplore 2 жыл бұрын
That was quite interesting that thanks to Paul & Rebecca whitewick showing the way through the tunnel how come it was blocked off at the end towards the lake good video Martin 👍
@wladniem
@wladniem 2 жыл бұрын
Nice memorial at the end. Great watch Martin
@debbiepitcher9806
@debbiepitcher9806 2 жыл бұрын
Martin another top quality video a good “A” for this one, keep them coming. 😁😁
@SJFrzrbrn
@SJFrzrbrn 2 жыл бұрын
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. You make some of the best content on KZfaq. The sheer dedication, passion, conviction you show time and time again is inspiring. Greetings, again from Atlanta, Georgia USA.
@dtb2654
@dtb2654 2 жыл бұрын
great vid Martin, good meet up with the Whitewicks and I look forward to more joint videos from you both. I pass Haddon Hall on my daily commute to work so will give you a thought tomorrow. Thanks again! 👍👍
@MartinZero
@MartinZero 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you 👍
@missmerrily4830
@missmerrily4830 2 жыл бұрын
What a day for an adventure. It looked (and I'm sure felt), Baltic, but I'm so glad you make the effort because as always it's great viewing! Great and good surprise to see Paul and Rebecca waiting there for you. I'm so glad you decided to relocate your 'brew' as that water at the end made my heart skip a beat when you pushed the camera through the gap! That strange white stuff in the second section of the tunnel looked awfully like the terraces I saw in Turkey (Pamukkale), caused by a carbonate mineral. Thank you for a lovely interesting explore and for introducing, as you always do, a human element from the past with the information about the collapse with such a tragic outcome. 👍
@pambrown8697
@pambrown8697 2 жыл бұрын
Great show...
@rob1134
@rob1134 2 жыл бұрын
You are in my neck of the woods Martin. 🙂 Lots of Railway history in Derbyshire and especially along the Monsal Trail. Interesting tour of the Haddon Tunnel. Another shell just sat there.
@kayakcoder
@kayakcoder 2 жыл бұрын
I would be moving away from that potential torrent of bricks and water, Martin. And I always appreciate so much you explaining conditions of life in those days and honoring the people Hello from New Orleans. You bring me MUCH enjoyment. Merci Beaucoup
@chazzyb8660
@chazzyb8660 2 жыл бұрын
Happy Mardi Gras!
@hamshackleton
@hamshackleton 2 жыл бұрын
I wasn't aware that there was a Hadden hall, and your mention of it brought the film 'Contact' to mind, as a chap called Hadden was one of the central characters!
@lilchris26
@lilchris26 2 жыл бұрын
Nice video guys, I have watched both videos yours and Paul and Rebecca's, thanks for the entertainment, poor James now known has the bad brew guy.....lol
@stevesrepairs5778
@stevesrepairs5778 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Martin for another brilliant vlog, shame about the people that died in the collapse (god bless them). Take care and all the best. Stevie
@MrSteffen2020
@MrSteffen2020 2 жыл бұрын
thanks you Martin for a nice video see you next time .
@davidnm21
@davidnm21 2 жыл бұрын
Most interesting and a nice piece of railway history albeit asthetically. Goodness that was a surprise at the other end “The Lake Of Doom”. It reminded me of one of the long canal tunnels like Blisworth or Standedge. I noticed from your video that the tunnel roof was not very deep noticeable through the ventilation shafts.👍
@nesleinf
@nesleinf 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine a railway hidden from view? Strange? Nice to see Paul and Rebecca too. Thanks for another splendid video 👍
@ValeriePallaoro
@ValeriePallaoro 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine the steam train coming through and then the smoke popping up through that break in the tunnel. That would've been youtube worthy.
@RichieWellock
@RichieWellock 2 жыл бұрын
Wow you really made the tunnel alive again in the video, Thx for the mention
@matthewrail6065
@matthewrail6065 2 жыл бұрын
Another great video Martin
@sturmtigerking4263
@sturmtigerking4263 2 жыл бұрын
That's taking Not In My Back Yard to a new level. Great historic video. Love this stuff!
@martindooley4439
@martindooley4439 2 жыл бұрын
I disagree,. It's an example of, let's have it here, let's just change the design a bit please. If more folks were focussed on on solutions rather than protests moderns projects wouldn't struggle so much and we would have better infrastructure. Great Video....
@sturmtigerking4263
@sturmtigerking4263 2 жыл бұрын
@@martindooley4439 I think I phrased it wrong
@nicklowe536
@nicklowe536 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video love the way you make your content. My son summed it up well. You make learning new things fun
@MartinZero
@MartinZero 2 жыл бұрын
Cheers Nick
@shirleylynch7529
@shirleylynch7529 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic. So interesting but also sad re the 5 deaths. Great to see the four of you together. Poor James missing out. Main thing is you got your brew. Thank you most entertaining explore.
@johncoe1413
@johncoe1413 2 жыл бұрын
Great video Martin 👍
@bcoldgoalie
@bcoldgoalie 2 жыл бұрын
Another remarkable video and the Whitewicks are always a bonus. The wealthy,entitled class always get their way no matter how high the cost. 2022 will be the year you get to 100k,Martin! Thanks again.
@theaethelred3427
@theaethelred3427 2 жыл бұрын
An unexpected bonus for a Sunday evening - nice one. That must have been quite a shock when you saw the lake. I must know my roads very well - I immediately recognised the A6 even though I had no idea where Haddon Hall is.
@MartinZero
@MartinZero 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah the lake was a hidden surprise 😀
@petersimms4982
@petersimms4982 2 жыл бұрын
Marvelous! Is Liam a rock star? :)
@MartinZero
@MartinZero 2 жыл бұрын
Yes
@PeterShieldsukcatstripey
@PeterShieldsukcatstripey 2 жыл бұрын
So very beautiful.
@DavidSmith-qd7fd
@DavidSmith-qd7fd 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Martin...very interesting
@70mmbobbyj
@70mmbobbyj 2 жыл бұрын
Great explore. Poor James.
@MartinZero
@MartinZero 2 жыл бұрын
Poor James at home out of the rain and cold 😀
@ForTheBirbs
@ForTheBirbs 2 жыл бұрын
What a nice collaboration! Nice video. Cheers
@MartinZero
@MartinZero 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jim
@wacholder5690
@wacholder5690 2 жыл бұрын
Sunday evening. A cup of coffee (in my case) and a Martin-Zero-video. How better to end the day ? A really nice one again - along with the Whitewicks. Thanks for sharing !
@MartinZero
@MartinZero 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir, hope your well 👍
@jcramond73
@jcramond73 2 жыл бұрын
The construction of stones in this tunnel is magnificent !!
@nedseagoon5101
@nedseagoon5101 2 жыл бұрын
Martin, if you look on the side of those rail holders, or chairs as they’re called, they will be a company name & a date on them. It will ha w something like BR, LMS, GWR etc & month & year. 4/53 (April 1953) etc. oldest one I’ve seen to date on the mainline is at Worcester. It was GWR 3/38.
@Wedgedoow
@Wedgedoow 2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting video Martin and again close to your honey jar, the bees are waking up too. Thanks for posting
@MartinZero
@MartinZero 2 жыл бұрын
I had a massive Bee in my house. What was that about in mid February
@Wedgedoow
@Wedgedoow 2 жыл бұрын
@@MartinZero queen bumble bee they can wake early.
@MartinZero
@MartinZero 2 жыл бұрын
@@Wedgedoow Really? It was very big. Does it sound like a queen ? How on earth she get in my house ? What should I have done with her ?
@Wedgedoow
@Wedgedoow 2 жыл бұрын
@@MartinZero they are noisy but quite gentle, they hibernate in all sorts of nooks and crannies, Nothing you can do but leave her find a way out
@catzkeet4860
@catzkeet4860 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah queen bumbles wake up first because they need to find a place for a nest, excavate it if it needs it, and lay the eggs, and raise the young that will become the first generation of this years colony. A bumble bee colony dies off each year, and they’re carried on by hibernating Queens, that will wake up next year and repeat the whole process
@ashkanyavari
@ashkanyavari 2 жыл бұрын
Sir martin beautiful as always 💯💯🔥🔥
@nycbearff
@nycbearff 2 жыл бұрын
And right next to the door into the tunnel the wall says "Speak friend and enter". Nice touch.
@SueGirling68
@SueGirling68 2 жыл бұрын
H Martin, awww poor James lol, that must have been so frightening to have that wall with all that weight of water behind it and knowing you will have to run fast if it breaks, it would have made for a very wet cuppa tea lol. May the workers rest in peace. Thank you for sharing, much love. xx ❤
@MartinZero
@MartinZero 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Sue
@oldmanhuppiedos
@oldmanhuppiedos 2 жыл бұрын
I'm ready again, let's go. Learned something new about the British railways.
@Grummash
@Grummash 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video... interesting and enjoyable 👍👍👍👍
@malcolmrichardson3881
@malcolmrichardson3881 2 жыл бұрын
Great video of a tunnel with some rather unusual features, imcluding side buttresses and ending in a lake - where i suspect you were rather glad to beat a hasty retreat to drier ground.
@grimreboot
@grimreboot 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the upload! :)
@David_Owsnett
@David_Owsnett 2 жыл бұрын
Looking at how close the line is to Haddon Hall, if I was the Duke of Rutland I would have put in a tunnel too.
@lazyhazeldaisy9596
@lazyhazeldaisy9596 2 жыл бұрын
That was great Martin nice to see you back in railway tunnels I could almost hear the trains coming along, I think all the white calcification was lime coming out of the mortar between the brickwork. It would be quite nice if you could find the graves of Alfred and the others they must of been buried locally, any way another good one many thanks.
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