Quickest American Car Ever: Demon 170 vs Lucid Sapphire VHT & Asphalt

Quickest American Car Ever: Demon 170 vs Lucid Sapphire VHT & Asphalt - Cammisa Ultimate Drag Race

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Күн бұрын

Let’s settle the debate on regular pavement and VHT: which is the quickest accelerating American car in history, the Dodge Challenger SRT Demom 170 or the Lucid Air Sapphire?
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In this episode, we race the two most powerful American production cars in history, the 1234-hp Lucid Air Sapphire and the 1025-hp Dodge Challenger SRT D170.
The first race takes place on regular asphalt, with our standard weather-corrected numbers. With the help of veteran drag racer, we achieve the quickest 0-60 and ¼-mile times ever seen from a Challenger. But is that enough to beat the Sapphire?
Either way, the Demon’s Mickey Thompson drag radials aren’t meant for an unprepped surface, so we leave Willow Springs and head to the Famoso Drag Strip to race on “glue” - the VHT-prepped surface.
Here, Tom Bailey’s experience launching the Challenger pays dividends as we try to recreate Dodge’s claimed 8.91-second quarter-mile run and dethrone the Lucid. Will it work?
Let’s fight about it.
Chapters:
0:00 America Divided: ICE vs EV
1:16 The Dodge Challenger SRT Demon 170 Specs
2:43 The Lucid Air Sapphire Specs
4:21 Asphalt Race: Demon 170 vs Lucid Sapphire
5:04 Drag Race Replay: What Happened?
8:53 Results and Willow Springs Conclusion
9:27 Moving to Famoso Drag Strip
9:42 What is VHT?
10:29 What is Rollout?
11:07 How do the Timing Lights Work?
12:55 Demon vs Sapphire race on VHT
14:53 Conclusion and Results
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Performance Testing Results:
Lucid Air Sapphire
0-60: 2.1 seconds
¼-mile: 9.2 sec @ 158 mph
Dodge Challenger SRT Demon 170
0-60: 3.7 seconds
¼-mile: 11.2 sec @ 139 mph
VHT Prepped Surface Results:
Lucid Air Sapphire: 9.002 sec @ 155.57 mph (0-60 in 1.92 sec)
Dodge SRT Demon 170: 9.721 sec @ 143.72 mph

Пікірлер: 4 500

@Hagerty 19 күн бұрын

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@c.a.j 19 күн бұрын

44s ago is crazy

@someonecalledeulogio2280 19 күн бұрын

An awd challenger demon would beat the lucid?

@S8ER 19 күн бұрын

@@someonecalledeulogio2280 not without significantly more power. You have additional drivetrain loss with AWD and the Demon is already the underdog in the power department.

@tonemack2981 19 күн бұрын

Yup I said that when Dodge first ran the 170 in public. No one is gonna be able to get that time that Dodge got in a 170. It's gonna take 170 attempts to do so. 😅

@Dennis-ff2pf 19 күн бұрын

Already watched demonology spank a plaid .

@EngineeringExplained 19 күн бұрын

To my knowledge, this is the only proper third-party test of the Dodge Demon on a drag strip - hat's off Jason & co for making this happen!! Also, makes the 8.9s Dodge claim *really* hard to believe. RWD is hard!

@BrianBeckman 19 күн бұрын

I think the question now becomes: Is a Lucid Air Sapphire towing a Dodge Demon faster in the quarter mile than a Dodge Demon?

@kkellywv 19 күн бұрын

Dodge's 8.9 claim was with a single seat spec car, which the one in this video wasn't, and with MUCH better density altitude and track prep. You know as well as anyone that DA can make or break an ICE car and not all "track prep" is equal. You could tell it still wasn't hooking by the in-car shots showing intense wheel hop and it wasn't pulling the wheels up anywhere near as high or as far as what a lot of the other ones do. I've seen stock ones almost trip the 60ft timers with the back tires. It takes very low DA and excellent track prep on the factory tires or going up a size in the rear to get a D170 to dead hook. There are privately owned stock D170s running in the 8.8-9.2 range either on the factory rubber or with a wheel/tire swap. With all that said, Tom Bailey is a phenomenal driver and the Lucid is an incredible car, no doubt about either of those.

@upshifter5316 19 күн бұрын

@@kkellywv ^^ This. It's all about the DA, which doesn't give any advantage to an EV. I've not found where/what track the 8.91 time was set, but I guarantee it wasn't California in the summer. More likely Detroit in the fall.

@Absuurd_Hooman 19 күн бұрын

they post 8,9 because they excluded the rollout time. and RWD with less horsepower and torque will always lose to AWD with more horsepower and instant torque.

@kkellywv 19 күн бұрын

@@upshifter5316 I have a picture of the actual slip. It was South Georgia Motorsports Park December 2nd 2022 at 10:12am. 1.24 60ft, 8.912 @ 151.17. They did a LOT of testing over a long time at multiple locations and that particular day at SGMP yielded the published run.

@danieltanuwijaya7675 20 күн бұрын

The 170 in its name refers to how many runs needed to achieve the advertised 8.9 second 1/4 mile time

@DonLee1980 20 күн бұрын

way way more than 170

@PeterJ-gw1to 20 күн бұрын

They call it the Demon because it can only perforrm these numbers in your dreams, not real life.

@G82Watts 20 күн бұрын

Might wanna watch demonology. He gets those times, all the time. U people clearly dont know what a driver mod is. He beat the plaid 3 out of 3 times. Yet this guy best time was a 10.1 😂😂 yea OK.

@rykehuss3435 20 күн бұрын

Not a single street legal Demon 170 exists that does under 9 seconds quarter mile. That is simply not possible on street legal tires, not that the Demon would do it with pre-heated drag tires on superglued tarmac either. I doubt it If you want sub 9 seconds 1/4 mile times on street legal tires you need a rocket engine.

@abelincoln4374 20 күн бұрын

@@G82Wattsyall always come with these bullshit excuses 😂 the man driving in this video is a professional drag racer as well. Dodges suck at launching, and they're especially worthless on a non prepped surface. The fact still remains that anyone can get a lucid to run 9.0, you need a favor from the gods to get your demon to do it, though.

@sungkim742 14 күн бұрын

What people fail to mention is that the Lucid doesn't even have drag tires or a parachute.

@Tattle-by-Tale 7 күн бұрын

All Wheel Drive is All Wheel Drive though.

@IceTTom 7 күн бұрын

Also failed to mention it has windows, it isn't painted pink, it has 4 wheels, the wheels are round I mean... we watched the video 🥴

@IceTTom 7 күн бұрын

@@Tattle-by-Tale Absolutely brilliant statement! Give this man an award! Pure genius!

@kylegirmsey 6 күн бұрын

nor a soul

@ttystikkrocks1042 5 күн бұрын

@@Tattle-by-TaleFour wheel burnouts are a thing (just watch a Ken Block video) and the traction control system in the Lucid is doing serious work keeping that great big heavy car straight, square and pulling hard with all four corners.

@ROBMACDUI 17 күн бұрын

Wow, that 170 looked like a monster but the way that Lucid just disappeared was absurd!

@sigdre9225 16 күн бұрын

One car that’s at the end of it’s production and the other from a now bankrupt and soon to be defunct manufacturer 2:30

@EGGaming296 15 күн бұрын

u sure this ain't rigged? what I mean is there have been fake tests done for money so don't believe everything on the internet!!

@user-ez6sm5lb6t 15 күн бұрын

@@sigdre9225 Lucid still owns the patents on its motors and batteries. All Formula E batteries are made by lucid

@Slyrsu 15 күн бұрын

@@sigdre9225 So a car that's had a decade to get it right got beat by a nearly bankrupt brand new company? Lmao

@ZoMTDU 14 күн бұрын

@@Slyrsu No he's saying once the US government finds out how fast they are from stock and adds 1000+ restrictions to all that power there goes any reason to actually buy it in the first place, basically bankrupting the company.

@joemama069 19 күн бұрын

The Lucid disappearing when comparing it to a 1000hp drag car is insane

@Shaker392 19 күн бұрын

@@joemama069 instant torque & all wheel drive sure helps.

@globalmoney154 19 күн бұрын

It’s got 200 more hp and 485 more lb/ft of torque

@BigKandRtv 19 күн бұрын

Yep, and it isn't even close. Crazy quick microwave right there.

@katalysis 19 күн бұрын

It's long been established as the fastest production car in the world. Not sure why anyone is surprised or expected otherwise?

@Chris-hw4mq 19 күн бұрын

The 170 is junk not worth the money, a 911 turbo would beat it easy

@BrendanEvan 20 күн бұрын

I never understood rollout before. This show is pure education

@van_trippin5260 19 күн бұрын

Same here. At least i now know why it used to be a thing, before accurate timing. Total b.ll..ks nowadays

@danielowenuk 19 күн бұрын

It’s why offset exists in drag cars. Effectively you can cheat the timing a little by having one wheel a couple of inches further forward than the other. Probably does weird things to handling of a road car though 😂

@brentvance3958 19 күн бұрын

@@danielowenukdepending on how fast your car is. Cars that go 12’s or higher it’s not a problem but 11’s and lower it’s a problem. I had a 1985 Mustang GT that could run 12.5’s all day but if I staged a little offset I could run 12.39. It was awesome. The short block was a stock 85 302 but parts on it were not.

@bishopoftroy 19 күн бұрын

tf is "PURE" education :))) you make it sound like that`s all the pure epic education you had in your life.

@TheJohn8765 19 күн бұрын

@@van_trippin5260 Seems like an easy problem to fix even with totally analog "electric eye" tech from 50 years ago, but good luck trying to change people's minds...

@audiwankenobi361 17 күн бұрын

Have never had "Rollout" explained to me so clearly. Thanks and this is incredibly entertaining.

@bradleyland 14 күн бұрын

The Lucid looks like CGI when it shoots off the line on VHT. Absolutely insane.

@exothermal.sprocket 3 күн бұрын

Absolutely insane to use the phrase absolutely insane ONE TRILLION TIMES.

@bowtiebonanza 20 күн бұрын

Whoever came up with, "Grandy Pobst" is a got dang genius. That was hilarious.

@TheSpiderpig976 20 күн бұрын

@@bowtiebonanza game of thrones!

@kaii-lb 20 күн бұрын

i laughed so hard at it fsr

@skierpage 19 күн бұрын

Putting the drag into drag racing!

@binauralauto3621 19 күн бұрын

I laughed; leave it up to Randy to brighten someone's day!

@meljenmobilegaming1246 19 күн бұрын

I love every time jason point out that Randy is Old 😂, love the good old days at MT Channel head2head

@bigmikeg84 20 күн бұрын

If that's the best launch Tom Bailey can do, it's the best launch period.

@Mustardmamgt 20 күн бұрын

Sick Week!!!

@pwdrhnd23 20 күн бұрын

I don't know, Demonology (Herman) has the best experience launching the both Demon models.

@DroneStrike1776 20 күн бұрын

@@pwdrhnd23 I would take Tom Bailey of Demonology any day of the week. You're forgetting that this is Famosa, it's not known for good DA. It's 615ft above sea level and DA is over 4000ft. Those numbers choke out an ICE.

@G82Watts 20 күн бұрын

Well u would be wrong. Demonology has actually got his 170 to do what dodge claims. Hes owned dodge products all his life.

@nastinick9380 20 күн бұрын

Lucid is faster but the Demon is way more exciting and fun to drive. Speed is pointless now a days. Give me the thrill of the drive any day and that's the Demon

@MH-on8ol 9 күн бұрын

Lucid is for real and haters will hate. The car is bad ass. I drove an Air GT and it was 1050 HP and was wicked fast. Whoever is doing your film editing is absolute top of the game well done folks.

@richardroberson9277 2 күн бұрын

It's a laughably limited production by a failing company that has like 30hp extra tuned into it just to beat a 4yr old plaid....95k vs 250? What a joke. They'll blow money on dorky stuff like this just to get headlines. Longest range fastest by .05. then you gotta charge it at a Walmart smh

@bfvader 10 сағат бұрын

@@richardroberson9277 It didn't have to throw out all the switches, buttons, stalks, and half the steering wheel to save costs... oops I mean "minimalism".

@driverjamescopeland 11 күн бұрын

The fact a full trim luxury car can beat the 170, is all you need to know 🤦‍♂️

@collinkaufman2316 4 күн бұрын

But its so expensive but really cool

@goskidmark 19 күн бұрын

Jason Cammisa is the face of the Hagerty media group. Period. He needs a raise.

@TheJohn8765 19 күн бұрын

I'm quite fond of Catchpole, too! Different style, tho.

@crookedaxle 19 күн бұрын

I had to go back and watch another video to trigger my brain why he looks different.

@tomfurstyfield 18 күн бұрын

I only watch Jason videos I wish he made every video on the channel

@sarkaranish 18 күн бұрын

@@TheJohn8765 He gives a much more top gear vibe, very sophisticated and nice. I love that hagerty has a guy for everyone. they do a great job with casting hosts.

@BenzMusoni 18 күн бұрын

He needs his own drag race channel

@brainwithani5693 19 күн бұрын

Let me just say this show is an absolute model of editing, music, hosting, everything is perfect. I aspire to be this good one day.

@BigKandRtv 19 күн бұрын

I was thinking the same. Production values off the chart. It was good enough that I didn't feel like skipping forward to the money shots.

@sharifnealy1835 19 күн бұрын

Absolutely incredible

@misiek08 19 күн бұрын

All the fake sounds of engine, added from different runs and different places and the non-stop "we know better" approach. Love it!

@Freddy_Confetti 9 күн бұрын

Track prep want good enough or he wasn’t on e85. No reason a demon 170 would be that slow when they run low 9’a routinely in every other video

@BigKandRtv 9 күн бұрын

@@Freddy_Confetti Altitude density affects all ICE, even those with forced induction. On the other hand, low density actually helps the electric car a tiny bit: less dense air induces less drag.

@Searchingtheworld7183 9 күн бұрын

The Lucid Saphire is insane

@Tiffer_77 17 күн бұрын

Lucid is not joke. But the sound of the devil is priceless.

@mrb2349 19 күн бұрын

The cars, the production quality, the information, the narration, as well as how you left no stones unturned and no potential complaints unaddressed, this was one of the most incredible Automotive Journalism experiences ever. And the others are also videos of yours.

@thatguyrob2dope128 17 күн бұрын

They did leave a stone unturned they didn't roll race

@edgartrujillo1558 17 күн бұрын

@@thatguyrob2dope128 most likely the same outcome

@monkeyshines11 17 күн бұрын

Incredible Automotive Journalism Experience, lol. It’s just a drag race.

@mesniburek1652 16 күн бұрын

@@edgartrujillo1558 debatable... It would definitely be insanely close

@moralobjection4836 13 күн бұрын

Yeah except they sandbagged the whole deal and tried to edit it out. Almost every demon 170 owner is coming forward to cut the video apart, and those of us who have challengers with track modes already knew the guy was racing in "auto" which in those cars is "economy mode". This was just paid promotion from lucid.

@DroneStrike1776 20 күн бұрын

Everything stops when Cammisa drops a video.

@vladymirvernet9003 19 күн бұрын

@@DroneStrike1776 literally

@DrieStone 19 күн бұрын

I mean, he's the reason I'm a subscriber, and the marketing works. I switched over to Hagarty for insurance earlier this year. Happy to consider it payment for fun Cammisa content.

@rac3rcr3w 19 күн бұрын

I used to watch him when he was on motor trend and when he left I stopped watching motor trend.

@NWSanta 19 күн бұрын

Agreed, love the delivery and his videos!! All stop!

@mmf9765 19 күн бұрын

@@DrieStoneinsurance ?

@stacybehrens7152 14 күн бұрын

It’s kind of ridiculous that drag strips don’t use an overhead sensor to establish when the car starts moving. This is trivial and very mature technology.

@RobertWill-uq3iv 17 күн бұрын

Reminds me of Ford claiming 200 m.p.h. for the GT 500 and nobody able to come close to that. Best Car and Driver could do was 189. You gotta fact check these guys!

17 күн бұрын

It was track certified at just over 200 MPH.

@CadaverIsDaddy 4 күн бұрын

you seem to be confused, the car is capable of well over 200, some of the fastest ive seen being 208 mostly stock and i say mostly stock because the gt500 isnt made for top speed nor does ford tune them for it, the top speed with factory tune is 180 ford purposely set and restricted this as top speed for optimal track performance usage, if you retune it or buy one with this tune not installed it is capable of 200+ ford does sell gt500 without this tune, most however are tuned to top out at 180

3 күн бұрын

@@CadaverIsDaddy Car and Backseat Driver is not certified for speed testing. The car was clocked at just over 200 MPH on a five mile oval test facility with certified timing. Stop talking out of your ash.

@jcstream1 19 күн бұрын

Your editor needs a raise!

@antoineaaron3754 16 күн бұрын

That part

@mrNorthernLightOfficial 15 күн бұрын

indeed!! :D full on editor flex! these guys make hollywood jealous

@bigfamilyclubafrica9393 15 күн бұрын

definetely😂😂😂

@muffty1337 19 күн бұрын

I burst out laughing at the start of the first race. I was so surprised how ridiculously unfair it looked, that i couldn't contain myself. :D

@dontrustwhiteyevery1 19 күн бұрын

Dodge is old tech.

@brooklyndrumcompany 19 күн бұрын

same

@rapu4 19 күн бұрын

Yeah, I couldn't do anything but laugh when I saw the first race. I saw a million comments on social media from those bizarre anti-EV people saying that this'll be the one to beat the EVs, that this'll be the redemption of the internal combustion engine. I expected the VHT to help a lot, and it did, but even with an extremely good driver, it's not close at all.

@cblue3581 18 күн бұрын

@@dontrustwhiteyevery1 ICE is old tech...there fixed it for you

@chrisl8527 18 күн бұрын

@@rapu4 look up Texas 2k quarter mile times. Those are all street cars but heavily modified.

@ArsalanKhan-ty9vq 2 күн бұрын

Screw the cars, who edited this masterpiece. The production on this video is incredible. 👍👍👍

@xaxs101 19 күн бұрын

"There's never enough horsepower... just not enough traction." - Carroll Shelby

@hassanger8128 19 күн бұрын

Both Dodge and BMW lie about their cars performance numbers, but they are totally lying in different directions.

@gohamm8629 19 күн бұрын

@@xaxs101 don’t you mean “too much horsepower”?

@abuamin1550 19 күн бұрын

@@hassanger8128 include Porsche as well!

@Youtuber-k2p 19 күн бұрын

Shelby was never good at quotes, that makes zero sense. There’s always enough horsepower, just not enough traction. Makes sense.

@g600f700 18 күн бұрын

so, say anything they want. The temperature, humidity, the UV too much, gravity... who is faster 1/4 mile or 0-60mph? That's it.

@BrendenPragasam 20 күн бұрын

The ironic thing is that drag races with these types of speeds and times were only for the hypercars 10 years ago... Now its the types of cars you see in everyday at stoplights in palo alto

@emdotrod 20 күн бұрын

And it's become more affordable to more people!

@revelare_xvii6269 20 күн бұрын

That’s what scares me.

@JeremiBulakowski 20 күн бұрын

No way that's true, how can you explain that Dominic Toretto wanted a 10 second car otherwise?

@LanguagesWithAndrew 20 күн бұрын

@@revelare_xvii6269 Yup, we're seeing a lot more accidents involving these types of vehicles now because they're much more available to the average moron who doesn't really know how to drive them, especially in the case of electric vehicles like Teslas. At least with Shelby Mustangs and Corvettes and what-not the driver was more likely to be of above-average skill because they were typically enthusiasts with experience in performance vehicles. That's become less and less the case.

@LaczPro 20 күн бұрын

And that's straight-up scary

@chrisparish885 6 күн бұрын

The cinematography in these videos is absolutely nuts. So much fun to watch.

@yaweh400 17 күн бұрын

This wasnt a race, no way, this was a slaughter

@vladimirmirkovic5314 19 күн бұрын

I sincerely hope that Hagerty realizes that you’re arrangement with them, is producing by far the best written and produced gear-head shows on KZfaq. I actually wait with anticipation for every new show. Please keep up the fantastic work.

@zollotech 19 күн бұрын

Love that they both exist and you get to choose what you prefer. The best of new and tech or top old school HP.

@jacelcc 18 күн бұрын

Well, it zollotech!

@michaelscott-joynt3215 18 күн бұрын

Lots of people build faster and better than the Demon in their own garages for $100K (or less), while at $250K this EV is as good as it gets. It's deceptive to strictly compare production models to make the EV look like ICE can't keep up. Marketing gimmick and great click bait though.

@bobogto540i4 18 күн бұрын

@@michaelscott-joynt3215 True to a point. Even their leader board has quicker cars than the 170. But don't forget... It's entertainment. I rather watch and listen to the supercharger on this thing than any twinturbo anything. :) Could care less about the electric toaster. But it's quicker... blah, blah... I came here for the supercharger. :)

@bobogto540i4 18 күн бұрын

If we are talking old school as an old Mercedes and a pushrod V8... Yes. But this is not the best and newest of the petrol engine world. Quite the opposite. Especially given the price tag of the microwave. But I agree. Glad they both exist.

@mishobelev6924 18 күн бұрын

@@michaelscott-joynt3215 Did you miss the part where they said "production car"? It sounds like you might have

@sharpballer7751 14 күн бұрын

The editing in these videos is always top notch

@justpassingthrough3166 5 күн бұрын

ZR1 numbers were just released....1060+hp and twin turbos We're gonna need a 2.0 version of this comparison

@TheWizardboy5 3 күн бұрын

refer to the video of the lucid beating a bugatti chiron with quad turbos and 1400+ horse

@nero786 2 күн бұрын

It will be the same story. It won’t best the lucid. And it’s ok lol

@justpassingthrough3166 2 күн бұрын

I don't care if the ZR1 loses. I just want to see a comparison. Electric cars will always be faster. But they have no soul. I've owned a Model S with the Ludicrous tune for about 6 months and it was incredibly fast....actually stupid fast. But I have way more fun in my C7 Z06. Even my tuned and deleted Cummins is more entertaining to drive with it's trailer on the back. But thats my opinion, doesn't mean its right, it's just how I see things.

@n9athan 19 күн бұрын

9 second 1/4 mile in a car that handles like a dream and easily carries 5 people and luggage is insane.

@aaronbateman8218 17 күн бұрын

@@n9athan so is the pricetag

@n9athan 17 күн бұрын

@@aaronbateman8218 true, but so is any car that comes close in performance.

@michaelscott-joynt3215 17 күн бұрын

@@n9athan Lucid Air Sapphire = $250,000 - 9.1 sec Dodge Demon 170 = $100,000 - 9.5 Tesla S Plaid = $81,500 - 9.3 This Sapphire was designed to beat the Tesla. It wins, but I think this is what you call pay to win.

@jozefjozefczyk3936 17 күн бұрын

@@michaelscott-joynt3215dodge demon 11.2s 1/4mile

@user-yw7xo3rd4n 17 күн бұрын

That's Lucid for you. The engineers don't get the respect that they deserve

@EwiniDkeib 18 күн бұрын

I never would have imagined that seeing a film of two incredibly fast American vehicles would teach me so much about drag strips.

@turboaudi1100 7 күн бұрын

Such a good feeling to see a question answered so definitively and unbiased

@badbattleaxe5832 2 күн бұрын

The new 2025 Corvette ZR1 has joined the USA thousand horsepower club!

@LaczPro 20 күн бұрын

I would've never guessed I would learn a lot about drag strips as well in a video of two superfast American cars.

@kangarojack3814 19 күн бұрын

Kimbo gtr an frustrate civic a smoke that lucid on the street an the track 🤣

@DBroggel 19 күн бұрын

@@kangarojack3814 I think you forgot the part where it's stock, reliable, 5-seater, luxurious, comfortable and much more lol It's like saying someone did a 3.840 1/4mile. Cool story bob, but those ain't even remotely the same

@mrb2349 19 күн бұрын

@@kangarojack3814 you losers always make the same claims. "My cousin built a 1996 Civic out of scraps for $3000 and it destroys Teslas in the quarter mile lol lol lmao lol" yet we never see these imaginary civics on the drag strip. And nothing cheaper than this Lucid can destroy it on the quarter mile AND do 15 runs back to back like it did. And your tuned up civic won't even run a half mile before complete engine failure, let alone do a track run.

@mrbxv 6 күн бұрын

These videos always deliver. You give viewers exactly what they want and more. Educational and raw. More than a dozen runs to shut people up.

@daneshj4013 15 күн бұрын

The first Lucid Air video was gold.

@Light_bearer-Lucifer 20 күн бұрын

When the Lucid just straight pulled on the Dodge the only words I could say is exactly what Jason said... "Where the F*** did the dodge go!?!" Holy crap that Lucid is insane

@mile_high_topher 20 күн бұрын

Keep in mind the Sapphire is a basically a Gen 3 iPhone, folks. The Demon 170 is the pinnacle of 100 years of American internal combustion technology, the Sapphire will be old news in five years when solid state batteries are on the road and they've figured out how to deliver more than 1234 hp worth of electricity continuously (the Sapphire's 3 motors can technically make a combined 1800+ hp, if they could only get the juice from the batteries to the motors).

@jackryyn 20 күн бұрын

@@mile_high_topher u jus wanna hate bro wtf

@elscorcho389 20 күн бұрын

@@jackryyn I read it as hate too but I think he's saying it in a positive way, like it's not even living up to its potential yet and it's still this crazy

@mile_high_topher 20 күн бұрын

@@jackryyn Facts are facts, my man. Electric hypercars five years from now are gonna be 3000 pounds and 2000 hp.

@tyler9703 20 күн бұрын

@@jackryyn I didn't see it as hating, just stating reality 🤷

@Fasteddie1085 19 күн бұрын

Someone tell the DUD 170 that Ricky Bobby said if you ain’t first you’re last …Murica 🇺🇸😂👍🏽

@terrywhitlow2744 19 күн бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Hell Naw Eddie

@mykeljewell 19 күн бұрын

Haha Well he did learn it from his dad who was high at the time so he could be wrong

@juniorjohnson670 19 күн бұрын

@@mykeljewellwho wrong … Ricky Bobby Neverrrrr 🇺🇸

@mykeljewell 19 күн бұрын

@@juniorjohnson670 haha fair point what was I thinking

@juniorjohnson670 19 күн бұрын

And to think all those guys went out and paid 100k over sticker the Milk DUD 170 🤦🏻‍♂️

@plusRpm 14 күн бұрын

Jason being the kind of guy to test both on road and prepped is why i like his videos so much. No bs.

@AkonGarraway 4 күн бұрын

Ok the rest of the video was great but that intro gave me goosebumps

@pcgamingtvr 20 күн бұрын

The thing that makes these videos so good is the editing, the cars themselves are cool but the way they put it together makes it perfect

@themogget8808 19 күн бұрын

Directing, editing, writing, planning, paperwork, camera work, knowledge of what the user base wants to see, network of contacts in the industry, etc.

@upssidep9283 19 күн бұрын

Yes, the editing is by far the best on KZfaq now.

@rallyman1122 19 күн бұрын

Easily the best editing of any channel on KZfaq. But it’s also how the editing is used to convey humour, to emphasize the point being made and to bring this channel several steps above most every other automotive channel n

@PhilipBlank 19 күн бұрын

Agreed! They do incredible work

@fj06carnone 19 күн бұрын

I wouldn't watch this video if It was about a boring topic. But i would still watch it with worse editing....

@DeathComesSwiftly 19 күн бұрын

Hard to watch that Demon just fall on its face right off the line.

@Blaquer17 19 күн бұрын

With 15 runs, I'm sure Tom was giving it every trick in the book. It's not like he's new to this

@DeathComesSwiftly 19 күн бұрын

@@Blaquer17 I didn’t critique the driver. You can just hear that car stumble off the line every time. The lucid is so fast that in those small moments of hesitation, that thing is so far ahead right away

@Turshin 19 күн бұрын

California in the summertime isn't exactly the best case scenario for an ICE car.

@det_tf2 19 күн бұрын

@@Turshin Then what is? Should they try drag racing on ice? I feel like that would be far worse for the ICE car lmao.

@skierpage 19 күн бұрын

@@Turshin cope cope cope

@angelwalker. 14 күн бұрын

You people can hate on EV all you want. But that instant torque is just insane. If you drove one you would understand.

@wellytms4713 8 күн бұрын

I don't speak English fluently, but if I have a stronger term than the word (insane), I will use it in this electric car.

@NikoAbston 3 күн бұрын

When I was a kid in the 80s, I had poster of F40 and countach on my walls. Today those would be replaced with Sapphire, Taycan, e-tron and Ev6. I own a ev6 wind awd. It makes me smile every day and it’s not even the GT!!

@ActionHeinz 19 күн бұрын

The Lucid is unreal. You could have had your wife, mother, father, kids and dog on board together with two weeks of grocery shopping and it would still beat the fastest road legal production drag car on a prepped drag strip. That's insane. If I could, I would just take both.

@lordbrain8867 19 күн бұрын

@@ActionHeinz and it can take a corner pretty well, while also maintaining a good range

@Eamador3 19 күн бұрын

The cybertruckk can do the same thing

@reidboggs4344 19 күн бұрын

@@Eamador3yeah but the Lucid actually looks good.

@wruenvadam 19 күн бұрын

@@lordbrain8867 Oh and its brakes actually work more than once. I have been fawning over the Lucid Air Sapphire for a while. If I had it like that, I would certainly buy it hands down over the Tesla Model S Plaid. it is far more expensive sure, but it has the build quality to back it up and then some.

@BigLoMayne 19 күн бұрын

@@Eamador3 You could do the same in any fast German sedan…. But there are levels to this.

@willr5372 Күн бұрын

Can we just take a second to admire the cinematography here. The slow mo zoom in was some of the best I’ve ever seen.

@mikelyon5595 19 күн бұрын

The rollout explanation was helpful!

@robbyjai 19 күн бұрын

yeh i thought it was well explained.

@joserivas7935 14 күн бұрын

Loved the editing!! My hats off to the team. It was a great episode. That Demon got spanked so hard, I couldn’t just believe it. I thought for sure it would be a closer race when they went to the drag strip. Then they raced again….. then again…. Then again a few times over. Loved it!! I only wish they had brought out a true drag only race car to see how the Lucid would hold up against a purpose build drag racer.

@gregroles69 9 күн бұрын

Phenomenal video. The sound of the Demon is amazing, my next car will be supercharged.

@mtngritz 19 күн бұрын

Cammisa and Hagerty are national treasures...

@G82Watts 13 күн бұрын

Cammisa sounds like a dude that got bullied in school. 😂 "national treasurers" u mean a channel and person that gets paid to make videos to push the EV narrative? Why do u think this vid is being debunked by demonology, butter da insider, and every other real car guys channel. Why do u think Jason got to be the first reviewer of the cyberdork?

@forrestsautoreviewsofficial 19 күн бұрын

Yeah that Sapphire is absurd. 🤯 Also, I’d like to put in my request to meet Cammisa! Been watching you since early Motortrend days man! Massive fan!

@MacNifty 17 күн бұрын

I like the video editing that how you jump in on the scene. Makes it totally different.

@w.branch1096 17 күн бұрын

Great job with the fairness of this comparison & while I'm not a Mopar guy, I'll admit I was rooting for the 170 at the Dragstrip for a 1/1 finish, but...

@DragTimes 20 күн бұрын

great runs, gotta get in the 8's!

@tomrynkewicz7674 19 күн бұрын

@@DragTimes you need to buy one since your Plaid is slowing down right? Next to the Plaid it would still be the cheapest, quickest car out of all your cars and still carry 5 people and luggage not like all those exotic lambos,, Ferrari, etc that cost waaaaay more than the lucid.

@larryc1616 19 күн бұрын

Gutted Plaid = 8's ⚡️🇺🇲 Do it brooks! 🙏

@philb707 19 күн бұрын

That Lucid Air straight up disrespected the Demon.

@Charlesbjtown 17 күн бұрын

Ran out of his life 😭

@CaptainKedah 17 күн бұрын

Bigtime 😂😂😂

@glennthompson8322 17 күн бұрын

@@philb707 well said

@moonsovermiami101 6 күн бұрын

The King is dead. Long live the King

@philb707 6 күн бұрын

@@moonsovermiami101 still king sound wise, can't beat ICE sound

@jeremyc74 17 күн бұрын

The production quality of these videos is just next level. Keep up the great content!

@rocega3290 11 күн бұрын

That was fun... But its still apples and oranges 😂 Keep It up!

@Dxeus 20 күн бұрын

The drama of launching a parachute at the end. 😅😅

@haeikou 19 күн бұрын

And from only 230 km/h too. *Laughs in German*

@Zanpaa 19 күн бұрын

It's a cool shot!

@dubsessed9790 19 күн бұрын

Gotta stop that tank somehow. The lucid will just use it's brakes, like any other car 😂

@Dxeus 19 күн бұрын

@@dubsessed9790 Lucid is 1000Lb heavier and faster than the Dodge.

@theMelvinShow 17 күн бұрын

@@Dxeus ...and yet it doesn't need a parachute. Seems as if Dodge skimped on the brakes

@thedarkenergist 19 күн бұрын

Mr. Esposito - You are a man of great talent. You've all done it again.

@anthonyesposito4872 19 күн бұрын

It has more to do with practice than talent, but I’ll take that! In all seriousness, with the right crew everything falls into place.

@PumaChris85 16 күн бұрын

The production quality and special effects in this video is what i would expect to see in a hollywood blockbuster. This was one of the best car videos i ever watched. Thank you for educating us all and shining a light on all sides. Keep up the awesome work✌️😎

@Andrewmylife 12 күн бұрын

@@PumaChris85 just watch it dude

@lazydays_77 16 күн бұрын

Id happily watch Cammisa & granny do a Huffy v BMX drag race. These are so solid, never stop

@juozasslavinskas 19 күн бұрын

give these guys all the money. they make the best car content not just on KZfaq but ever. even better than top gear(widely considered the best)

@turnersexplicit7912 19 күн бұрын

Absolutely

@mrb2349 19 күн бұрын

Top Gear was always staged and fake. Everything about them was (and if they still exist, is) bogus.

@coolmusic1684 18 күн бұрын

I think you have gone too far do you really know Jeremy Clarkson

@mrb2349 18 күн бұрын

@@juozasslavinskas my comment disappeared somehow. It's okay I'll repost. Top Gear has always been completely fake and staged. Completely.

@sangmoonkwon6394 19 күн бұрын

That Lucid is really insane

@Jsk913 18 күн бұрын

@@sangmoonkwon6394 now imagine what you could do to the demon with that extra 150k.

@tempest8600 18 күн бұрын

@@Jsk913 sell it

@cre8tvedge 17 күн бұрын

@@Jsk913 It would still lose to the Lucid.

@ProjectExMachina 17 күн бұрын

@@Jsk913 Now, imagine what could you do with Lucid if it was treated as a drag car instead of a limo

@ct1762 17 күн бұрын

@@cre8tvedge if you think its loosing with a 2500hp built motor, i have a bridge to sell you

@Kenshin_Tran 7 күн бұрын

Great video hats off to your editing team. Very cool.

@GrantWood. 14 күн бұрын

Some of the best car content on the internet 👏🏼👏🏼

@Sonfvirgin360 18 күн бұрын

They should have called it the Lucid Satan 😂

@toddm9957 16 күн бұрын

@@Sonfvirgin360 lucid Lucifer

@sooperburrito 16 күн бұрын

I think there's a Camaro build called "the Exorcist" lol

@antoineaaron3754 16 күн бұрын

Demon Slayer😂😂

@jsz2619 16 күн бұрын

@@antoineaaron3754 Demon fu..er

@twsmith6598 14 күн бұрын

Exercist

@-joe-davidson 19 күн бұрын

To be fair, a 2X4 started out as 2" X 4" but the lumber industry made them smaller over time to get more lumber from a log and the housing industry had no problem adjusting to the new size and it's still easier to say "2X4" than it is to say 1.5 X 3.5 .... You can still get authentic 2"X4" lumber if you want it. Some builders insist on it.

@SpektrikMusic 19 күн бұрын

ahh yes only capitalistic america would accept 2x4 as 1.5x3.5 because corporations told them to

@TheJohn8765 19 күн бұрын

I used to reno old houses (some were from the '20's). You have to rejigger your brain when framing off true sizes or you're going to have a bad day ;)

@-joe-davidson 19 күн бұрын

@@TheJohn8765 You should be using correct lumber for reno.. You can still get true sized lumber. Honestly, it's not that much trouble to adjust. If you're struggling with it, that's on you.

@crookedaxle 19 күн бұрын

Thank you Cliff Claven!🤣

@MrPPunch69 19 күн бұрын

And that is another point why imperial measurement suck. 80mm x 40mm is ALWAYS 80mm x 40mm

@SaltyDog69 17 күн бұрын

Hagerty and Jason have the best videos. That ending (fight) was hilarious.

@SnakesOnAPlane-SOAP 13 күн бұрын

Increased DA does in fact give the advantage to the EV. The higher the DA the more slippery the car is (less resistance). This is why EVs click off the best times up in the tracks much “higher up”.

@Freddy_Confetti 9 күн бұрын

Track prep want good enough or he wasn’t on e85. No reason a demon 170 would be that slow when they run low 9’a routinely in every other video

@jodyjohnstein 8 күн бұрын

@@Freddy_Confettidudes leaving on footbrake or something even on pump gas that car should've never seen a 10 unless he's like 5000+ feet up

@TIoerSoec 19 күн бұрын

The editing is what really elevates these videos; while the automobiles are interesting, the way they were put together is flawless.

@simonlamacraft378 19 күн бұрын

The best edumacation and entertainment comes from Jason Cammisa. What a pearler of an episode.

@honestcarreviewsCT 5 күн бұрын

keep on mind that every track is different (temprature, air quality, and so on) so the car needs to be tune for that track because it was not hoocking properly. nice video

@TheJoseUrena 4 күн бұрын

When i read the title, inmediatelly had some flashbacks of the Paris Olimpic Show...

@frenettaoneal2482 19 күн бұрын

There should be some type of award for best automotive content production. This is incredible

@lucianomichel2236 19 күн бұрын

@@frenettaoneal2482 there is and Jason has already won it at least once in the last couple years. Look up the web awards !

@adityachampawat1414 20 күн бұрын

Was rooting for the 170 but damn that Lucid is fast!

@MaticTheProto 19 күн бұрын

The demon sounds worse than the lucid lol

@DuBstep115 19 күн бұрын

@@MaticTheProto I love murican V8 but demon is one of the worst sounding V8s there are. 1. Old big blocks 2. GT350 3. 3 valve 4.6L Mustang 4. LS7 5. Demon

@HansBelphegor 19 күн бұрын

@@DuBstep115 the 392 sounds great but that whine from the supercharger is not good. My 426 from 65 sounds as good as a new 392

@drunkpolack7612 18 күн бұрын

@@MaticTheProto lead poisoning got to this boomer fs

@MaticTheProto 18 күн бұрын

@@drunkpolack7612 ???

@techhorizonhd4534 2 күн бұрын

Give Your Editor a medal Again

@91326 13 күн бұрын

I knew the EV would beat ICE but I didn’t know what rollout was. Now I do. Thanks!

@RazrThinblade 19 күн бұрын

If I could base my purchase of a vehicle solely on this video, the Lucid got it in the first 2 seconds of the first race. That launch was crazy!

@HJ-bz4vn 19 күн бұрын

Editing/Capture/Production is so good on these vids.

@TonyHike 17 күн бұрын

I just gada say.... the way this video is put together is beautiful!! The spokesman is able to walk next to Tom Bailey as he is going 120mph, which is brilliant and very entertaining! I couldn't stop watching this video even if I wanted to!! My hats are off to the entire crew who put this video together! BROVO!!

@DoctaM3 3 күн бұрын

This is just CRAZY-- unreal

@ElectricGlider2016 18 күн бұрын

Again reminder that this is a full sized family sedan that is crushing this purpose-built drag car.

@davidbaker2778 18 күн бұрын

@@ElectricGlider2016 one other thing to remember is it is limited heavily purpose built. There are people running 7’s at 170-180 mph in Hellcats that don’t have to meet California emissions standards. These are Hellcats with good enough manners to drive to work everyday. It can be done. Lots of boost and good fuel. Less restriction. It will never be possible to get the full potential and remain 50 state legal. I’m glad I live in a state that doesn’t test for any of that.

@dylpickel8460 17 күн бұрын

@@ElectricGlider2016 yeah I love dodge challengers and they are one of my favorite cars but they need so much prep and arnt as good as people say they are. But they are still really good

@ImJusSha 17 күн бұрын

Reminder that it’s literally an electric car awd and the demon needs more prep

@cre8tvedge 17 күн бұрын

@@davidbaker2778 Your glad to be all in pollution and life killing warming? Wow.

@whambodius 17 күн бұрын

@@davidbaker2778 Is there a tire company that makes a tire I don't know about that can handle 1000hp 7 second runs and drive to work everyday? Or has it become a norm to go run 7 second at the 1/4 and then change wheels and tires , adjust suspension and upload a different tune ? You seriously cant argue that a 7 second hellcat is even a decent daily driver. Whereas the sapphire is a true street , everyday car that also happens to basically obliterate anything on wheels. I'm all about sleepers and functional race cars but that is nonsense. I don't even like electric cars but nobody can deny sapphire is the ultimate daily to serve gapplebe's.

@EvolvedCasualGamer_HM 19 күн бұрын

The videos you roll out are just so high quality and your explanation of how the drag race lighting system or laser system works was very educational. Very high quality content.

@gilbertlabonte5095 15 күн бұрын

Quite frankly, i love the presentation on this, the humor is great and the theatrics are on point! Now that the praises are out of the way, lets get down to facts. A fuel burning engine can NEVER beat an electric engine on equal ground because simply put, the fuel burning engine needs to rev to produce torque, but the electric engine can and will produce all the torque you want from a standstill if you give it 100% of the battery power it requires to do so. In this case, the fact that the electric powered car had 4wd and the fuel engine car had only rwd biases the results even more and gave the clear win to the Lucid even before anything started. That being said, don't get me wrong... I still have my hair standing upright hearing that supercharger whine from the Dodge while the lucid impresses me but makes me yawn... I'll still take the smiles per gallon any day over the 3 quarter miles worth and you have to wait 4 hours to get back home. On top of that just for good measure, i still prefer the smell of race gas compared to heated electronics any day also, but that might be just me. A car or any vehicle is always about the driver and the experience, nobody actually gives a fudgesicle about the numbers unless they are buying a car for just... well, the numbers in their wallet. The real enthusiasts buy a car for the pleasure of driving and owning it, not for ink on paper and nothing else. Feel free to disagree with me, but i stand my ground and won't budge an inch no matter what you say. These things can't be quantified with just numbers and are a "user experience" type of deal no matter how people get heated about not wanting to have an open mind on things they don't like.

@frisk151 11 күн бұрын

My favorite part of 1/8+ drag racing... "It's just water on the tires"... They always get someone sucking on it...

@DenisKudlik 20 күн бұрын

does dodge have evidence of that 8.9? I think we'd all like to see it

@SuvroSawon 20 күн бұрын

Fake evidence.. It can do 8.9 with modified 1500+ whp

@DroneStrike1776 20 күн бұрын

To be fair, this was in Famosa. Famosa is known for it's terrible DA. I have a friend that goes there, he lives in Bakersfield. It's 600+ feet above sea level and the average DA of over 3000ft most of the time. Just for reference, you can search DA online and on 7/10/2024 at 4pm, Famosa had a DA of 4400ft about sea level. General rule is, for every 1000ft, a car loses 3% of it's power. To hit that 9.7 time, it was probably late in the evening when the DA dropped a little bit.

@G82Watts 20 күн бұрын

Demonology video

@ESL3023 20 күн бұрын

@@DroneStrike1776 that sounds like a lot of excuses

@FierceNinja 19 күн бұрын

@@DroneStrike1776 well, not all cars, ev's dont care about altitude, thats why their ideal for the pikes peak runs

@carguy7627 20 күн бұрын

I'm very impressed with how you all put this video together and by having a true drag and drive legend like Tom Bailey as part of it. I don't think he would've been involved unless he thought things were being done right.

@registrationaccount1034 16 күн бұрын

Get somebody like Herman over on the demonology channel that can drive the 170. Would be really interesting then.

@AutoXerWgn610 11 күн бұрын

Like the cars or not, that's pretty impressive that both cars survived all of that abuse on a sticky surface and didn't break. I'm pretty sure a lot of other production cars would have blown something up in the same conditions.

@terrytexas8257 19 күн бұрын

Jason looking in his drivers side mirror off the line says it all!

@AdamAllen 18 күн бұрын

This is basically “horse meets carriage” all over again. 😅 Pure gold content 🥇🏆

@ct1762 17 күн бұрын

until you get to a closed road course , and an ICE trounces EV with 40% less power

@hadleycrowl5015 17 күн бұрын

@@ct1762 copium

@Rainman8193 16 күн бұрын

@@ct1762 Are you seriously saying that the demon with skinnies up front and slicks out back would perform better at a track? Hahahahaha

@shavaughndavidson2257 16 күн бұрын

@@ct1762 you mean the lucid with a actual track mode vs some straight line cars

@ct1762 16 күн бұрын

@@Rainman8193 no im talking about gas sports cars in general. but obviously you could set the demon up to be a decent SCCA car if as heavy as a tesla model S but still not bad.

@abelincoln3261 2 күн бұрын

An off the shelf EV takes it to a Super Car everytime

@snbforever 17 күн бұрын

3:55 "Chem Trails" in the background 😂

@joshuamanayani2964 20 күн бұрын

That lucid is obnoxiously fast. Pair that with its near prodigious handling system (cammisa goes more in depth about that department in a carmudgeon show episode where he calls it the best handling car ever) and you get a car I desperately want.

@user-tt6wm2pu6z 19 күн бұрын

He didn't say it was the best handling car, but it was an EV that responded to driver inputs flawlessly. His description of the Lucid Air Sapphire is the car was able to do exactly what he wanted to do to the point it felt like the car was reading his mind. This does not mean it can outdo a 911 GT3RS, but it does mean it's an amazing driver's car

@mobiusflammel9372 19 күн бұрын

@@user-tt6wm2pu6z He says it's the best handling sedan, and says it may be the best-handling car outright. These are the opening words of his IG review: "Verdict Lucid Air Sapphire: the best-handling sedan in the history of the world. Or maybe the best-handling car, period. I've had three days to try to think of anything better, and I can't." He does go on to expand on his thoughts in the Carmudgeon episode focused on the Sapphire though, and explains what he means by best handling.

@ARCNA442 19 күн бұрын

@@mobiusflammel9372 Has he driven the new Taycan Turbo S though? Somehow I doubt the Lucid is better handling than a Porsche that smashed the previous EV Nurburgring record while having less power than the Plaid.

@larryc1616 19 күн бұрын

4680 Roadster = GAME OVER ⚡️ 🇺🇲

@frenettaoneal2482 19 күн бұрын

The explanation of acceleration testing and timing equipment is the very best I’ve ever seen. I write service and installation manuals, this is top notch.