Miss old RTS carrier ;(

Rewatching old CV vids has reminded me how much i miss old RTS carriers, not only was there more diversity in CV's, you could do so much more at once since you could have multiple squads out at a time, plus you could actually fight other CV's

Just came here to remember the good old days

"The longer you can keep a potato alive the longer it serve as a distraction" Damn ! That's some good tactics ! XD

Ah yes, back when CVs actually required skill. Gone are the days where you can defend your carrier and possibly someone elses from a carrier snipe with one well placed strafe

old cvs are a lot more historically accurate than nowadays cvs

I think I preferred the RTS style of CV play.

the time when playing CV make you feel like a fucking real admiral

This was so much more fun than the current way CVs work. I loved the strafing mechanic

I miss this type of mode, cv mode now is shit

CV is by far my least played ship type, accounting for less than tenth of my total games played, so apologies for being a bit rusty when it comes to this ship!

Flamu, I have recently seen a new style of cv play which I found really interesting. A SEA server player YONE played 013 Lexington in ranked battle last season and it was surprisingly effective. He went for full ship AA spec (although he did go for air supremacy but otherwise it's full AA). In the game he would park his carrier incredibly forward in the battlefield behind some island, and use his ship AA to engage enemy fighters, meanwhile he can strike with 013 terror. It does require very good positioning and a lot of focus on movement of the enemy team so that he doesn't get sunk, but when well executed, he gets both good air control and superb striking capability. (Morever the enemy cv will likely be tricked into striking him given his forward position, but finally it's just a waste of planes and strikes due to his great AA. This way he takes carrier pressure off his team as well.) This approach is very unconventional and interesting. I wonder if you can experiment with this style and give a final Flamu verdict. Thanks!

You guys miss this? New CVs look like puny bees next to this angry hornet nest.

Tsah, that kind of CV that are still autodropping at T10. Jesus.

Good old times when playing CV needed actual functioning brain Sadge

Never played CVs, but at least I had the respect of those who mastered the RTS playstyle. Unlike now, they are easy to play and you just carry the game for simply being a CV. AA is a joke, Des Moines has good AA lmao!

I suck at CVs, but then, not played much, low tier, idk. but really nice to see something like this, with good commentary, thanks very much, love your work

Great team work = impossible CV gameplay Zero team work = the CV may be the king of the battle

Hey Flamu, I wanted to share some mechanics divulged by Sub_Octavian in a Reddit Q&A on AA mechanics. “Each aura works independently. So, when a squadron enters additional aura (it may be the same ship or another ship), it gets additional 'destruction timer' and starts losing planes from this aura accordingly. When aura efficiency changes for some reason (e.g., some AA guns are destroyed, suppressive fire is activated or manual control is used), the 'destruction timer' of this aura adjusts. If an aura stops targeting a squadron for some reason (e.g. player selects another target or the squadron flies away), the 'destruction timer' ends. Squadrons do not 'remember' any interaction from passed engagements, their HP is actually number of planes left.”

Man, I don't even have much interest in CVs and I consider their rewards to be absolutely laughable. WG? What the hell, man?

Miday should get back jetplanes to balance it out

If an aircraft carrier doesn't carry, is it just an aircraft? But aircraft let an aircraft carrier carry so how do they call an aircraft carrier that doesn't carry?

This is the most profane Flamu video I've seen so far... I like it :D

The shima kill in the beginning is a great example of why I dont like carriers. He went up front to spot/torp the enemys (in other cases maybe cap a point) and once he is spotted by planes there is nothing he can do. His AA is pretty much useless he cant run away from planes, hes constantly spotted, he can hide in smoke for 1-2 min but the carrier can just blind drop in the smoke or leave the planes above the smoke and wait for it to fade. The DD has no chance to counter it.

now let's see you do the same in a Midway vs a Hakuryu.

Finally a cv commentary! thanks

Thanks KZfaq for the recommendation... These were honestly a lot more fun. They needed to be balanced, but WG never really tried to... did they...

If only they gave the tier 6,7 and 8 US carriers better loadouts...

When you do Emden review?

Flamu, WG did adjust the new captain skill tree somewhat, would that change anything from your recommended builds video you previously made?

The Nostalgia :)

It's no wonder why torpedo bombers are just so much better than dive bombers, despite real life showing that dive bombers were crucial and much more reliable for inflicting damage: in this game, torpedo bombers are almost as fast as dive bombers, just as vulnerable to AA (in reality, outside of American AA in the later stages of the war, dive bombers were usually not threatened by AA fire until AFTER they had dropped their bombs, because they flew so high and fast, and then dived near-vertical at high speeds). Furthermore, with RTS-like controls, you can coordinate your torpedo drops with relative ease; in real life, getting hammer-and-anvil torpedo drops was hard, especially if your torpedo bombers were slow. Next, the lack of AP bombs means that dive bombers rarely knock out the target's engines, penetrate into the target's citadel or vital spaces, etc. The fact that dive bomb hits don't always start fires is crazy, since they were notorious for doing just that (not surprising, considering that they were big HE bombs dropped onto highly flammable ships--especially in the USN's case, where they used 1000-pound HE bombs). The fact that dive bomber drops are heavily RNG-based while torpedo bombers are predictable and controllable doesn't help matters. Also, late-tier carriers should carry more fighters--both sides knew that more fighters were needed, since they were your primary means of defence and critical for protecting your bombers as they made their attacks--and you needed enough for both tasks.

i miss the old RTS where cv was fun

Look how much interactions going on in the chat... now it just feels empty, full of bots

If I did that much damage in an Atago I'd get over a million credits and double the xp, at a conservative estimate.

BTW Flamu, will you make an other video about the new skill tree since some changes were made after you posted your first vid ?

Hey Flamu, any chance to see you make a commentary on the Myoko? I don't seem to be able to find any Myoko commentaries on your channel :(

Are fires the devil?

Hello hello

I still wonder how this was better than post rework CV. Esp if the CV was actually good

I think having a sneaky dd trigger the enemy cap could be smart, since there's a pretty good chance that parts of the enemy team will turn back, letting the friendly ships kill the enemy ships that don't retreat, and then kill the ones that did retreat. Actually capping is kind of pointless tho, unless the last hiding enemy.

Flamu, now that the new captain skills are kinda etched in stone with the patchnotes, are your recommended builds in your latest captainskill vid still viable? I f'd up my captainskills before and dont want to waste this freebe from WG. :0

I like how the chat tells what ship is talking. Is this still an option you can enable somewhere?

My stock Shokaku without 15 point captain got 68% win rate. I average only 70k damage. Probably speaks about how DDs decide the outcome of a match and how CVs counter them hard.

the times I play my cv I can never seem to zoom out as far as you seem to be to he able to see better

Wow, I expected way more xp and wayyy more CR from this.

i just checked and the stock loadout is 29 fighters, 43 TBs, 28 DBs. full strike is 25 fighters, 38 TBs, 37 DBs. so u gain 4 fighters and 5 TBs while losing 9 DBs. i think the stock loadout is DEFINITLY worth it!!

keep up the good work

"Sadly I only got one fire with for bondage under 14......" wai-... wth ?! RIP Subtitle

How do you select multiple groups of bombers without having to drag a box?

It common knowledge in MOBAs that if you find a character very difficult to deal with, try playing him. See what makes him tick. His weaknesses, strengths etc. so that you can take advantage of perceived weaknesses when you cross tracks again. Given this motif, any suggestions for going against T9 and 10 carriers? Seeing as I am neither willing nor able to actually grind that.

Saving private Potato.

Mikasa video when

do play the midway

the shima should just uses speed boost to outrun the first drop then easily avoid the 2nd drop. russian can do it easie most of their dd are above 40knts.

I agree on those credit rewards being kinda on the low side but what about that shimakaze you sunk in the start? He probably lost more money that you would have made with out premium and the most cases only Carriers can do that to and enemy ship so early, ofc if enemy doesn't yolo in to a gun line but still. You say that well played carrier is very efficient but what do you think i more harder for average player? deal huge DMG in a Battleship or cruiser and affect the game or with a carrier? Most ppl would say flying you'r planes, attacking single targets who have left their fleet and cover and bomming them is easier that getting good penetrations with guns due to more things that affect the shooting and damage from shells: you'r lead on the target, angle of the target, speed of the target, ammo type, do you hit the target at all, armor on the target, is you'r ship being shot at, cyclone (albeit rarely), tier difference, gun caliber and ofc RNG weather you get penetration/fires or do you'r shells just shatter or bounce. Where in torpedoes, by ship to ship or by air dropped, or bombs do you hit the target, do you hit torp bulge(causing dmg fall of), do you cause flooding, do you detonate the magazine, angle of the target, armor of the target, do you cause fires, how many bomb hits you get. So the damage caused by carriers and BB's or cruisers are so affected by different game mechanics and deves think and/or they feel the need to equalize the dmg from all sources not to give one particular class an advantage, as you say carriers have the most dmg and carry potential in the game, as it is in real life. I don't mean to say that positioning you'r strikes or planning you'r strikes is and making you'r attacks count is so easy you can do it with one arm tied behind you'r back while having you'r GF give you BJ while chugging beer with the other hand but most of the community feels like this, it seems.

what wrong with the midway? Can you say why its less strong than Hakuryu?

I hope you show us more CV plays.

Flamu, when you say "permanent flooding", the term you're looking for is "full-duration flooding". Permanent means that it lasts forever; flooding and fires are inherently temporary. Full-duration means that it lasts for the entire duration (or time) of the fire/flooding.

Btw the minotaur and des moines are not immune to air strikes

Hard to dodge a cross drop in a dd? umm.... Fletcher and Gearing don't think so.

Also is the minotaur op Or should I just continue the ijn cvs

Their economy is tuned a bit too low for CVs, but they still are so devastating that they can't have a normal economy.

Who needs XVM? Just play CVs and you see everything!

Carriers = Potato guards :D

What is the hotkey(s) to select multiple squadrons so quickly?

I feel Taiho is far better tier per tier then the mighty Haku

Today , Tuesday?

I have a tactic vs carriers in DDs to avoid getting cross dropped.. I slow down to bait him into dropping..(generally I hope to have a speed boost available.. I go along with those Torps, but I'm generally faster, the moment I realise the other torp squad is dropping I turn away from that squadron, and try to position myself between the Torps that I was sailing along with and the Torps from side generally miss... If anyone understand what I tried to say.. Your a genius XD.. But.. There are ways to avaoid cross drops in DDs.. If I can.. We all can :P

What does a strafe do ?

Do better than the enemy carrier in the game, anihilate his aircraft, lose the game, still get blamed. The story in the life of a Carrier player.

Tactics based on economy rather than on winning (even though 10 economy is awful) sounds like some DD hunting an empty CV in map corner would say.

maybe after the cv overhaul, Midway will finally get to roflstomp the Hakuryu like it is supposed to IJN CVs make me sick

Sweet!!!!!

the only way to earn money without premium and camos is by tanking, have to tank those BBs yo.

Great game, in a CV

I don't like carriers at all. In a game that is so reliant on teamwork it's not fun to have a class of ship that influences the battle outcome so heavily. It's also not fun to play against a ship that can delete you whenever it pleases with zero risk of retaliation. Sure you can avoid being deleted by sailing as a fleet but why should it take so many ships to counter just the one enemy ship? It's a mechanic that encourages lemming training. Carriers are in my opinion the worst part about this game. Hopefully the next update will mitigate the problem instead of making it worse.

The Montana in H10 was afk on the phone, thus why he was humping the wall xD

God this thing was ridiculous in old RTS. If you timed it right you could basically just one shot a battleship at the start of the match and there was nothing you could do about it, cross dropping was also super busted on this ship as it basically made it impossible for dds to dodge the incoming attack, also air dropped torpedoes used to deal as much damage as those launched from destroyers. Glad Hakuryu isn’t as busted as it was in RTS, but my only complaint, is why did the fuck did they have to go and give them Armour piercing bombs, I mean like what the fuck wargaming.

well they are called *carriers* after all :P I'll show myself out

When CVS where fun and not lagging.. Stupid exit strafe bullshit

i play 2 CV games minimum to keep my edge :) shokaku and taiho ftw

Zao???????????

The best T8 is the Lex ;) Ranked battle 244k dmg, 4 kills, Defeat. I can't afford playing it anymore. I loose to much in random battles if the team looses :/

But on the na server the hakuryu has the highest average exp

#1 to mee :D #Admiral_Putin FTW

#midwaywastheproblem

CV economy was still questionable. You do spot and killed underaged ship, you spot enemies, you took down many planes and your credits are still.. ehhh

Hello 👋

My ship Is A ""Gneurshk"""

17:10 And that why im not evening buying tier 10 CV im stuck at tier 9.

17:21 "Absolutelfucking shit", lol, wg put an extra rng on you i guess ;)

so salty towrads allies this vid :) musta had a few bad squads inraow lol

POI

Midway :D

OP & MUST BE NERFED TO HELL!

Tier 10 and 9 carrier are just too OP ,thet should be nerfed !

frst

stop doing hellohello pls, its dumb