HALF of it works! Harley Benton 250W Power Attenuator

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Harley Benton is aware of the issues and have tested units in house. The results I found in my video are correct and they are working with the factory to fix the problem, which is small and WILL be taken care of. When they are back in stock, the LINE outs should work as expected.
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0:00 Slideshow
1:00 Introduction
2:40 Features
7:26 Sounds
8:53 Resistive Load vs Reactive Load
10:35 Fine Tune
11:51 with different amps
15:00 Balanced Out
17:11 Line Out
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@maxmustardman298 2 жыл бұрын

I applaud your sense for sustainability reusing the HB in your kitchen like that

@jancabri8291 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Henning for your honest review!

@davidperezgonzalez1839 2 жыл бұрын

That thing about plexi and Van Halen with resistive load is a nice advice, I had never heard about that nuance, and I listen a lot of these things about 80´s rock sound and beyond.

@timhopkins3810 2 жыл бұрын

I plug my amp straight into a two notes cab m and then that goes out to the old Harley Benton power attenuator to take the load. It wasn’t great at attenuating but is a great dummy load and fine to use if you’re not using the outputs on the device itself 👍

@limpindug 2 жыл бұрын

I'm really impressed with your German buddy 😂 also thanks for a comprehensive break down of this unit it's very helpful. 🥃🎶🥃Respect and stay healthy all

@pitaorj 2 жыл бұрын

Only 22 minutes? Congratz man! that must be a record! lol!!! Keep the good work! luv ya!

@antonwilding9744 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks alot Henning, looks like its an awesome attenuator for an Engl Fireball 100 and for recording just use the lineout of the amp itself lol .

@janbrenner9488 2 жыл бұрын

I read somewhere that it might have some reactive components in it as well. Anyway, it does not change the tone of my small 10-watt combo. I just use it for attenuation, it´s fine.

@guitardave 2 жыл бұрын

Great review! It seems like if they can sort that issue with the line and balanced out’s they’d sell loads of these. Come on Harley Benton, you can do it! Let us know in an update if they offer any comment on this please Henning!

@santrixhimself3679 2 жыл бұрын

like with all the old versions of that attenuator it line and balance dont work. they will probably never work properly. maybe its because it is a resistive attenuator. i had one from the 100 series (with new logo) and it gave me distorted line out but undistorted balance out. BUT it gave feedback and squeal like crazy once the amp got cranked. would be interesting to know if the jet city attenuator they copied also has these issues.

@neileynonmusic 2 жыл бұрын

Bluguitar blubox ir box has a thru so you can go amp -> ir -> attenuator. The ir can then be sent to the daw. Might be helpful for someone. Great video!

@larsflugge7582 Жыл бұрын

I also use a Blubox and was just wandering, if I can go into the input of the Attenuator without using the speaker output without damaging the amp...so if I got it right, I can use it just as a loadbox for silent recording, right? Cheers Neil, and thanks for your explanation!

@MikelBluni Жыл бұрын

Henning, ich mag deine absolut unverfälschte, offene Art! Dank deines Reviews hat man das Gerät wohl nochmal auf die Workbench genommen. Ich habe es jetzt mal bestellt und bin auf den „neuen“ Direct Out gespannt. Mit dem kleinen Bruder, dem PA-100, habe ich nun weit über 100 Gigs gespielt, klar, es ist keine Fryette PS, aber geil klingt mein Plexi damit dennoch und beim Recording kam Brauchbares raus, nur robust wirkt dieser nicht 👍

@EytschPi42 Жыл бұрын

Die Dinger funktionieren, aber um ehrlich zu sein würde ich sie beim Recorden mit nem Plexi nicht einsetzen wollen, weil die LOAD resistive ist und nicht reactive und das nimmt leider schon einiges an Low End weg.

@shckltnebay 2 жыл бұрын

Sold out great job

@EytschPi42 2 жыл бұрын

No, not sold out, they are fixing the DI issues.

@demondrive147 2 жыл бұрын

There are two types of resistance: active (heating elements like in your electric kettle, boiler etc) and reactive (capacitors and coils, bobbins). Reactive means your amp sees your attenuator as one big speaker coil.

@Poldo77miticu 2 жыл бұрын

yes exactly ...I did not found any information on this box...so I did not understood if it is a reactive load or purely resistive...

@qddk9545 9 ай бұрын

@@Poldo77miticu Then you could have watched the video where he clearly states that it is purely resistive.

@user-ou4uc2yp4t 5 ай бұрын

@@qddk9545 Thanks for that researched answer Einstein. And just how does he know that? Can you point that out in documentation or do you just parrot what others say?

@HLBmusix 2 жыл бұрын

Ich denke das Wort reactive load kommt von der Reaktanz in der Elektrotechnik, was der sich im Wechselstromnetz ergebene "Wechselwiederstand" ist (Blindwiederstand). Die resistive load wird wahrscheinlich einfach das Äquivalent dazu im gleichgerichteten Netzwerk sein.

@petersouthern7227 2 жыл бұрын

I emailed Thomann saying I was interested in the product but concerned about the line out and balanced-out issues. The member of staff agreed and then recommended the Rivera RockCrusher, a considerably more expensive unit.🤔

@robertmazurowski5974 2 жыл бұрын

Regarding the Load Box functionality. The Harley Benton pa80 takes a characteristic and dynamics of a speaker it is connected to (if it is connected to a speaker). So even if it is resitive it does not matter if you can turn up the volume. With some blanckets put on the speaker I had better results with HB Pa80 than torpedo captor. Torpedo captor is better for silent though. Does this new do that as well?

@lucaszembrzuski Жыл бұрын

I mean i love You anyway Henning but i love You for the kitchen towel hanger bit dude!! 😂

@shorerocks 2 жыл бұрын

Ok, I put it on the Thomann wishlist. Because, why not.

@alvaroruizruiz7538 Жыл бұрын

Which psu was used? Maybe it needs a 24V one to gain more headroom so balanced and line outs sound clean, you know, same theory as with some pedals

@robertthomas2117 2 жыл бұрын

That Heritage though, I have the updated previous attenuator and only use as an attenuator, I don't see the need to upgrade to this if the line and XLR out still are not as they should be.

@johanlindblom1 Жыл бұрын

Just got a Dual rectifier roadster combo, definetly Have to get an attenuator (for the neighbours sake) 😂

@mtguitar5150 2 жыл бұрын

I don't own one or have any use of one, but I think an attenuator is something you don't skimp out on, especially when running it with a $4000 Soldano!!!

@Miami_1984 Жыл бұрын

Eigentlich perfekt für mich, wollte eh mit einen marshall sv20h studio (also plexi) van halen tones rausbekommen. Ich als 16 jähriger muss natürlich budget orientiert denken, dieser attenuator währe dann auch perfekt zuhause zu spielen ohne meine eltern zu nerven 😂. Danke für das review

@alvaroruizruiz7538 2 жыл бұрын

I wish it were reactive with an XLR DI out with no IR, that would be a real deal

@NeZversSounds 2 жыл бұрын

Henning, either make your clothing line or link in the description where you get these shirts!!!!! I think it's a misrepresentation by saying I was disappointed with merch choices. Hi, from Latvia!

@EytschPi42 2 жыл бұрын

it IS linked in the description

@chrisnicolaides7834 2 жыл бұрын

As I understand it, compared to the regular Two Notes Torpedo Captor 4/8/16 (not the Captor X!) the main difference in spec is that this can take 250W compared to 100W of the Two Notes. The price of the two notes IS more, but not as much as the other competition (Suhr, Ox, Waza TAE, etc). That device can attenuate down to -20dB or act as load for complete silence. It has usable Line and Balanced output, and can be phantom powered. The in-build speaker emulation can be switched on/off and it comes with a basic license of the Wall of Sound plugin if you want to some free speaker sounds in your DAW (of course you can load your own IRs with your choice of plugins, etc). I have been looking for a second affordable attenuator / load which I can use for recording (lets blend some amps baby!) - and even if this worked (which you show it does not!), I dont think I'd take it over the regular Torpedo Captor. I say that with the price difference (~€79) in mind, as it is much closer than the alternatives you mentioned (e.g. Captor X, Ox, etc). Thanks for another great review my friend.

@quiksilver78 2 жыл бұрын

Big difference though as described by Henning: The Captor is a reactive load attenuator, this is still a resistive load attenuator.

@EytschPi42 2 жыл бұрын

I Quicksilver means that this is RESISTIVE and the Captor is REACTIVE.... pretty big difference

@quiksilver78 2 жыл бұрын

@@EytschPi42 yup, sorry for the typo. Just corrected it

@chrisnicolaides7834 2 жыл бұрын

@@quiksilver78 YES, I cant believe I didnt mention that, but its another advantage of the regular Torpedo Captor. You do get a lot more for those extra €80. I think the HB device is only becomes worth considering when the issues Henning pointed out with recording outputs are solved AND it is switched to a reactive type load circuit. Then, it would offer similar features as the Two Notes, but at a lower price points with less bells and whistles (e.g. phantom power, and bundled plug-in, etc).

@quiksilver78 2 жыл бұрын

@@chrisnicolaides7834 Two Notes as a company is great with regards to software/tech support that the extra €80 or so is totally worth it

@robinpare5155 2 жыл бұрын

The power is also for the cooling fan.

@lukzriffs1564 2 жыл бұрын

Super Video, danke für das ehrliche Feedback! Ich würde mir das Teil gerne zuhause hinstellen, besitze den Bugera ps1 (Quasi der gleiche Krempel wie jet und benton) lohnt sich die Anschaffung von dem 250er? Von dem Regelweg bin ich angetan... Du hast ja nun beides da, das eine in der Küche 🤣und den grade super vorgestellt. Soundtechnisch grosser Unterschied und wann ist der bestellbar?! Finde bei Thomann nix. Geiler Content wie immer, weiter so! 💪

@EytschPi42 2 жыл бұрын

der ist momentan nicht mehr im Programm weil ja der DI out nicht geht.

@INTACT1234 Жыл бұрын

Hi if you cen answer this question it would be Great as don't no Bugera amp at all but cen I put a Bugera 333XL Infinium or drop the output of amplifier head below 120 watt output to Compensate for the 100w output of Laney Cub-212 Cabinet if not cen i use a Bugera PS1 Power Soak Power Attenuator I like to keep them all the same for the amplifier cen you let me no please as I bought a Laney Cub-212 not long ago from Thomann hope you I hear back if have time OK

@MrPeter924 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome great music song. Rock. 🤘🤘

@EytschPi42 2 жыл бұрын

But there is no song!

@ronaldwestland 2 жыл бұрын

😂🤣😂🤣

@albertn872 Жыл бұрын

I have had this unit since 2021 and it has so far been excellent, however now it suddenly makes the amp go completely quite and fuzzy, any ideas on what could cause the problem? I have tried the amp without the unit in the circuit and it's sounds perfect.

@EytschPi42 Жыл бұрын

It sounds like it broke

@Idontlikethisever 10 ай бұрын

Ich hab gerade denn pa 100 Power Attenuator an meinen Fender 68 twin reverb angeschlossen auf halber power und nach 10 min es hat angefangen sehr start zu riechen. Temperatur war ok leicht warm aber der geruch war sehr stark. Ist der 250 in der Lage einen Twin reverb zu zähmen ohne Geruch :)

@Zwidawurzn 2 жыл бұрын

Ah yes i want that for the Engl Invader 100 halfstack i use in my small apartement.

@damasterkarej 2 жыл бұрын

You just need to put Hughes Kettner Redbox 5 between amp and attenuator. That's how I do it :-)

@WaleshiddenhistoryMD Жыл бұрын

Can I ask how are you switching amps are you just separately unplugging the lead from the amplifier to Harley Benton box or do you have some kind of switch

@EytschPi42 Жыл бұрын

Ampete 88s

@dariusmolotokas9302 2 жыл бұрын

Great video! I have 100w plexi and I have Torpedo Captor 8 (I like how it sounds, but it does not have enough attenuation). Does this attenuator change the sound of the amp? Make it play dead? Does it kill the punch? Thanks!

@EytschPi42 2 жыл бұрын

I mean... it is only RESISTIVE and not REACTIVE... that does change the sound and gives you less low end etc.

@waynetowers5046 2 жыл бұрын

I would highly recommend the TAD Silencer, it can handle anything up to 150w. I use one for a 150w Stoneham (Sunn) Model T clone & I can fine tune it even for use in my flat at night, even through a 4x12. Only downside is is that it doesn't have a multiple switch for different ohm settings. You have to buy a 16Ohm, 8Ohm, 4Ohm or a 2Ohm (75w). Still, you can put two of cabs into each one providing they're the correct Ohm.

@bobibobik5903 2 жыл бұрын

Darius Molotokas they all change sound, it doesn't meter if you threw big sum on reactive. It is good myth abused by brands, some will say it is better but in the end any attenuator change the sound. It's not a big deal imho , that all depends from your subjective feeling.

@vasotoe 2 жыл бұрын

I could use a towel holder like that 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@pho-kingsoup8126 2 жыл бұрын

I like my Two Notes Captor but this is cool (although I wonder who really needs a 250W attenuator).

@alainkempa2139 2 жыл бұрын

indeed why 250W?

@adriansoul7223 2 жыл бұрын

Someone who wouldnt look for a low budget attenuator cause clearly money for gear isnt the issue. Kinda pointless piece of gear.

@JonathanKillstring 2 жыл бұрын

Someone with a 100 watt head. Running near the limit of an attenuator is not great tbh, it can run into some headroom issues. Or like, bass amps. The attenuation degrees seem to be the selling point, tbh.

@redneckstudios5700 2 жыл бұрын

I would use it on my Triple Rectifier. It's 150w. Most attenuators only do 100w and anything that does 150w is in the extreme high price range. And for an apartment this would really help.

@CamiloPefaur 2 жыл бұрын

Bass players... Amp heads have very high watt numbers

@wmrg1057 2 жыл бұрын

Did I miss something? Is the balanced out Mike level or line level? I thought you said you had it going into the Mike input on the interface. If it's a line level, that would cause distortion I would need to see the circuit diagram. From what you said later, it sounds like an internal problem with the box

@void_snw 2 жыл бұрын

That and he should definitely be using an IR without the inbuilt frequency compensation.. Cause those are just never good. It just sounds as if I was using my Helix with just an amp model, without a cab model or IR after it. Exactly like that. Cause thats just how amps work.

@EytschPi42 2 жыл бұрын

it doesn't have ANY built in compensation... but I couldn't test how the DI signal would sound through IRs because it distorted... not an issue with MIC or LINE level... the attenuator just has a problem and they are fixing it now.

@martinallen9067 Жыл бұрын

Did they rectify the internal clipping problem on the line out/XLR?

@EytschPi42 Жыл бұрын

not sure

@jantelega9310 9 ай бұрын

Hi, I just bought this device, and by now the DI out seems to work fine, no distortion. It's pretty quiet, I have to admit. But the inbuilt cab sim is terrible, at least for high gain purposes. I have not tried the line out yet. To make things clear: the line out is not emulated (no cab sim), so I could use it with IR's in DAW, right? Have you ever tried it that way?

@lecanius 3 күн бұрын

hey man, any update on this? thinking about buying :)

@discoministerify 2 жыл бұрын

Seems like this product has completely dissapeart from Thomanns website? What's going on? What I am most intereted in: Does it colour the sound when attenuated hard?

@EytschPi42 2 жыл бұрын

Well... it clearly has a problem that needs to be fixed and they are on it!

@gerrykavanagh 2 жыл бұрын

Really curious to see the insides of it. I am assuming the attenuator is a switched pi-network, but am interested to know if there is a "dumb" resistive load or a reactive load when the load is activated. Worth stating that a "good" attenuator doesn't need to be anything more than a pi, T or L-pad, since the speaker is still connected and provides the reactive component. A reactive load is only necessary where there is no cabinet on the other end.

@eranfalek 2 жыл бұрын

True. A reactive load is much better than resistive if you are using it as a load... If you still use a cab, resistive is good enough.

@TheJimbo3d 2 жыл бұрын

well this product is not longer available in Thomann ....

@sassycat 2 жыл бұрын

So I ask because I'm unsure: this would be safe to use with my Super Reverb?

@EytschPi42 2 жыл бұрын

how many watts is the super reverb?

@sassycat 2 жыл бұрын

@@EytschPi42 70 watts, silverface with the push/pull master volume.

@wmacky Жыл бұрын

Has the line out issue been resolved yet?

@EytschPi42 Жыл бұрын

I heard nothing

@INTACT1234 Жыл бұрын

Have the fix the problem with the line out and are new stock available from Thomann ready to go with no problems Harley Benton PA-250 Power Attenuator great full if you cen back to me with answer before I buy one thank you

@Cherry_Sunburst 2 жыл бұрын

FUCKING GREAT...Vielen Dank!

@michielroom 2 жыл бұрын

It’s hard to hear volume difference on a KZfaq film. Maybe show a dB meter next time.

@mariosoldano1 5 ай бұрын

please, put a db meter in the background ......

@EytschPi42 5 ай бұрын

@PooNinja 2 жыл бұрын

Leaving the Freq comp for something else, like a IR loader. But the hot out xlr and inherent distortion is unacceptable !!! Expected input level and other mysteries of op amps and AGC circuits 🤣. Can’t ya just use ya volume knob? When did getting loud become unacceptable?? Chris Jupiter knows what I’m talking bout!

@berndkiltz 2 жыл бұрын

Towel holder wtf 🤣

@jonljacobi 2 жыл бұрын

There's another review that claims they used the balance XLR out and it sounds fine. Maybe the upgraded/fixed unit. I'd love to see a follow on to this. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/g7lpoKxpv96udZs.html

@EytschPi42 2 жыл бұрын

No, I ordered another one and it did the same thing and then Thomann did tests and they all had the problem.

@EytschPi42 2 жыл бұрын

The distortion might have been masked by the Recto's gain... he should have tested it clean.

@The_Macaroon 2 жыл бұрын

Why buy this when an L-pad can do the attenuation for a fraction of the cost, make your own box for a third of the price

@LagunaPadre361 2 жыл бұрын

@eoinc4091 2 жыл бұрын

Save up and buy a Power Station 😁

@kasakka 2 жыл бұрын

Folks, just don't buy resistive loads. They mess with both the feel and tone of your amp, making it massively worse than it sounds direct to a speaker (a reactive load). Spend the extra money on a proper reactive load and you never have to buy another attenuator. Units like the Fryette Power Station double as a killer all tube poweramp as well so even if their price seems high, you get a lot of value for your money, including adding an fx loop to amps that don't have one.