Always take the carbine in the campaign. ESPECIALLY in ODST.

Battle Rifle: I fire more bullets Carbine: I have better accuracy H3 hit registration: NO U

In 2021 we're still discussing a 2007 game, incredible

I grab the Carbine every chance I get. The sound alone is a huge reason that I love this weapon. But these stats give me more than enough reason to grab it even more.

Battle rifle to the carbine: “you’re weak” “I’m you”

Carbine does have one small disadvantage, and that is the green bullet trail can telegraph your location, unlike the BR. Though, stealth is never really an issue in multiplayer.

The pain I feel in that clip at 1:55 is so damn contagious and powerful in rippled through my soul

I'm someone who always _wanted_ to love the Carbine, but it doesnt seem to spawn in very many maps. ...Let alone any gametypes that start with one....

That halo infinite music in the back works so well for halo vids. I'm so glad.

Shame we don’t find it on the maps as much

Carbine has an overwhelming effect when it hits your face 10 times in a row

Well, here’s the thing: The Battle Rifle at longer ranges requires you to guide your shots The Carbine randomly misses for no reason at longer ranges, and requires a lot more shots to land So for close range they are equals, far range, pick your poison.

The carbine's reload animation is the only reason I need

2:01 I feel that in my veins holy shit!

Personally, I prefer single shot precision weapons over the BR and its burst. I wasn't sad to see it gone in ODST or Reach, but I wasn't bothered to see it return for 4 and Guardians

Since they are so similar, I would like the elites to respawn with a carbine instead of a battle rifle

Some additions: Halo 3 BR55HB vs Type 51 Carbine. Damage is the same per squeeze, but BR has total damage which means it can be broken up, which only has a slight advantage in specific situations. Max kills (per squeeze) before reloading BR=12 CC=18 with cancelations BR=13-36 CC=N/A Max kills (total) BR=48 CC=90 With cancelations BR=49-144 CC=N/A HUD Sights: BR's is a small circle with a gapped cross, which is good for CQC accuracy bad for range. CC's is a small-medium circle with an open "X" and a small dot when red. This is good for optimizing reticle placement in various ranges. In summary; While the Covenant Carbine is a more versatile weapon the BR has a much higher returns under higher skill levels. In order to brake even the person using the BR must get 32 extra kills per full capacity or 28 kills with 2 mags and 23 kills with the last 2. That's per max kill. So you have to push 83-91% more kills out of the BR to just brake even. While the BR's best is 60% more kills over all it is only base lines at 53% of kills when compared to the CC... meaning the Carbine is 47% more effective than the Battle Rifle disregarding subject stats. Flaw in video: I noticed that you based your reload times on animation, you need to base it on time to fire. :)

100% the reason why the BR is almost always preferred is because of the burst fire. A carbine is great if you literally can never miss, but missing 1 round with the carbine is way more punishing than missing with the BR, as the burst can allow at least 1 of the rounds to hit

I use both of them

When I played campaign with my brother I always wanted to play as arbiter cuz he usually spawned with a carbine

I’m loving the fact that since that halo mega blocks reveal stuff everyone’s been going crazy and using the music in them as background music just a subtle thing I love😄 good video though I’ve always grown up thinking about these kinds of things but never really looked into it as any kid would rather spawn scorpions and mess about in forge :]

This sort of demonstrates my problem with Halo 3's sandbox overall. Too many redundant weapons: the BR and Carbine, the SMG and Spiker, the Mauler and Shotgun, the Sniper and Beam Rifle and arguably the Fuel Rod and Rocket Launcher. Not too mention the weapons that struggle to find a spot in the sandbox like the Magnum and Plasma Rifle. I often hear this complaint about Reach but It seems far worse in Halo 3. Edit: Almost forgot about the Spike Grenade and Plasma Grenade.

In the campaigns, the biggest differences I always noticed between the two performance-wise is that the Carbine is definitely geared more towards Close to Mid with its hidden bloom, while the BR is more Close Mid to Mid Long, and the second thing is that as far as preference goes is that the Carbine is more ammo efficient (assuming perfect accuracy of course) As a bonus, the Carbine also deals dual damage consisting of both energy and projectile damage, so its actually just a good all rounder, where the BR is Ol' Reliable able to more consistently land kill shots, at a slight "cost" of more bullets to take down the shields. Carbine also has the luxury of having one more reserve mag, for a total of 5 at full compared to the BR's 4. Thinking about all of this info got me thinking about ODST since the BR is absent. The Automag is such a great headshot weapon, i'd take that over the BR AND Carbin anyday, but I now need to answer my own question on how the MP Automag stacks against both the BR and the Carbine, since the option is there now

Top work lad; fantastic video!

Thank you for doing hard work and collecting data for players like us like to know the specific stats

I will say, as a SWAT monster, the BR is undeniably the superior weapon in SWAT specifically, at any range. At close to medium range, the burst fire of the BR triples the likelihood of a headshot in a given time period compared to the carbine, making it far more lenient with the need to make perfectly accurate shots. I have clips of me starting a burst at close range, missing off target, and dragging the reticule onto the target mid-burst, and killing them with the last round of the burst, or getting 2-for-1 kills by hitting with the first round of the burst, and dragging my reticule onto the second target and killing them with the second or third round of the burst. At long range, while the BR does have random spread, the random spread is significantly worse with the carbine, making hitting ranged targets a complete game of chance, in addition to having 2 less rounds per burst to increase the likelihood of a lucky shot hitting the target with the same point of aim. In short, this makes the BR far easier to use both from a trigger control as well as shot placement standpoint.

14 years on and Halo 3 still looks good. No wonder it blew my 11 year old mind. I remember spending ages walking through puddles and watching the water move

Carbine is my favorite weapon in every halo other than CE magnum.

Oh I like this. Can you do it for H2A as well?

I remember after July you said you won't be coming back to KZfaq and you were disappointed with the July reveal. I felt bad but now I love to see that you're back again. Love you man

1:28 how I drop in my bed after a night of drinking in my 30s

The thumbnail is the same death stance/animation that made the “chief is fabulous” pic famous in everyone’s file share back in the golden age lol

I assumed the combine was less accurate since the reticle seemed larger. Oops!

Cool video, really interesting to see that broken down

Very good, informative video my friend.

love your vids bud

The Battle Rifle and the Carbine in Halo 3 have the exact same autoaim and magnetism stats as each other, according to their weapon tags.

I might start using the carbine more for that extra .4 seconds

What about projectile speeds? I’ve never noticed if I need to lead with the carbine. But I use it infrequently.

For me the BR's brother is the AR. Same reload, same ammo counter, both bullpup, and both fire a 7.62. The Carbine is more like a close friend to the BR

The carbine can be more effective for certain things in the newer games. With the running slow-down from damage in the new halos, the carbine allows you to stun the enemy more rapidly.

Its really the user, but the burst fire capability will definitely come in handy, especially helping out other teammates. Regardless the BR will hit more shots making it slightly better than the Carbin. The chance to get more hits on target matters a ton. I've always liked the Carbine and will pick it up no doubt.

after the DMR the Covie carbine is my favorite halo rifle. But that commando looking good

I always take the carbine, it feels like I'm doing more because of the rapid fire

I just liked it as well as the plasma rifle because I play as an elite... Cov weapons look better on elites than human weapons

How did I not find this sooner? I'm a carbine Stan and always wondered why I did worse with the carbine In H3. Now I know why. Gotta keep that reticle as close as possible to their dome to utilize its better accuracy

Thank you for analyzing it I always thought that Battle rifle is better than carbine

I was about to hop on Halo today until I saw this: 1:56 Nah, I'm good.

Got to love the green smiley face

it would be cool to see the 4 and 5 lightrifles compared

well made video

In an ideal situation you would have people teamshotting with both. Like everything in halo, "better" is situational.

Here’s some addition stats for comparison: BR damage is 6 per bullet (18 per burst) & Carbine damage is 10 per radioactive shot. Both have the same Max range at 60 world units & same velocity at 180 world units per second (neither became hitscan or velocities in the1000s until H4). The Carbine ROF is about 300rpm while the BR is about 900rpm while the trigger delay is longer on the latter (0.17 vs 0.26) in terms of semi-automatic vs burst fire. Neither one of these weapons are that accurate. The Carbine can’t quite hit the center of the reticule while the BR’s first bullet can but second & third ones cannot.

The slower burst style speed of the br make it easier to hit moving targets consistently. The carbine requires more trigger pills and better tracking of the target which is difficult when you are spamming the trigger

Me:”what’s bullet magnetism” Video:”explains bullet magnetism” Me:”oh that’s why I always feel like everyone’s better than me”

I loved the dmr and carbine for their medium power accuracy. Perfect for popping grunts in the head, while still having the power to handle heavier targets like elites and brutes. I prefer the AR for my burst fire and other rapid fire needs, because a few rounds wasted isn't much, and the spread is great for popping flood infection forms. I should probably point out I developed my marksman preference in Reach on legendary, and most of the rest of my playtime is CE's campaign.

Covenant Carbine is my all time favorite Halo weapon. Love that thing slightly more than the Plasma Rifle.

What if we get 16 players to do the carbine reload glitch.

I love using the Carbine but find the BR fits into Halo's combat triangle _a bit_ better. The higher damage per trigger pull means you get more bang-for-buck with 1 burst + 1 grenade/melee when compared to 1 shot + 1 grenade/melee from the Carbine. It's situational, but against injured targets, for example, it can make a world of difference.

For some reason I've never been able to quite get uzed to the bullet velocity of halo 3's br for multiplayer so I always use carbines over it. The only times I'm able to score highly on br slayer is when I'm consistently picking it up.

Personally I feel like the BR is better because once shields are down, each trigger pull gives you a 1/3 chance of getting a headshot. Snap shots and quick adjustments are more forgiving mid-burst because of this. You can kill 3 grunts with one BR burst if you swipe your reticle across them.

You miss some very important information here that heavily favors the BR and why the BR was the gun of choice for any pro back in the day. 1) the BR in MLG settings is actually an 11 bullet kill with only 2 bullets needed for a kill after the shield has been popped leading to the more important part. 2) the BR is a much easier quick kill, yes the carbine and BR have the same TTK but landing every shot on the carbine is much harder then landing 3 body shots and a headshot with the BR. For multi-player the BR is 100% the gun to pick.

Very good video i was gonna do the noob combo

according to halo 3's files, both the carbine and br have the same aim assist values: autoaim angle: 3 autoaim range: 17 autoaim falloff range: 10.5 magnetism angle: 6 magnetism range: 21 magnetism falloff range: 13 deviation angle: 0 im not entirely sure what each of these numbers mean to be honest, i just know that theyre the same for each

Always been a Carbine guy. If I miss a shot with it its easier to make up for it since it shoots so fast.

What are your thoughts on getting the actual numbers for things from the files using tools like Assembly or Reclaimer?

I thought you would've went over their bullet velocities for which is more hitscan-like at a distance.

I prefer the carbine, simply cause the BR’s burst kinda bothers me from the vibration.

I could have sworn for the carbine it was 7 headshots. I remember hearing thats why the magazine had 18 rounds because it only took 6 headshots but it was too quick so they changed it at the last minute to 7 shots instead. The BR can get 3 kills if you don’t miss a head shot so it sucks you can’t do that will the carbine 😕 I hope they fix it and make it hold 21 rounds in the future.

Can you do a video comparing the sniper to the beam rifle in H3?

I've always liked the carbine more in every game that you had the choice same with the needle rifle

I had no idea about bullet magnetism

Great video! I’m curious, how do you take the distance ?

Do you ever use the program assembly? If not i highly recommend it as it has all the weapons stats from bullet magnetism, velocity, spread etc... could be very useful to you when making this type of video :)

I like the carbine but man it's too much fun in campaign to get a triple headshot on grunts with one burst of the battle rifle. So satisfying lol

how has nobody mentioned that if you miss a single shot on either weapon, the Carbine's faster cool down means you can get the TTK lower with the Carbine than the BR.

Alien weaponry would be even cooler of their characteristics including a burning DoT effect

Fun fact, headshots don't matter until shields are down

nice

I hate 3 round burst weapons so I always went with the carbine. I even got a couple of people to switch to the carbine after some 1v1s

Carbine is just so dope

Carbine looks nicer so I’m going with that

EDIT: they are the same. I think the carbine has a slightly slower muzzle velocity than the BR.

I think the big thing is that before reloading, all headshots, you can get 3 kills with the br. For the carbine, 2 i think? Either 1 or 2.

Breaking down weapons in halo in a way that only a destiny play would do. Also BR ftw, mostly because ammo is much more available on maps in H3 than a carbine. Also because trigger pulls and aiming the BR is always easier to line up shots, especially corner peaks.

BR gives me feel good chemicals in brain because it make more pew pew

Only precision weapon I enjoy using even if I must deal with precision only gamemodes which somehow halo players find enjoyable all day I use in halo 2 smg and pistol combo it's so funny ripping the shields with smg and rapid firing the pistol popping a headshot while establishing dominance as an elite

Can you do this with the Halo 2 and Halo 4 versions?

I look at the carbine as the covenant br

If you miss with the carbine, you can hit the next shot faster. That's a HUGE stat you need to consider. Missing even just once with the br, means you're likey going to die.

Carbine is my absolut favorite weapon from the Halo Franchise.

I always thought that the BR and Carbine were very comparable. However, I would probably lean towards having the BR to add to the extra phycological warfare of my opponents. Every MLG player, top skilled player would use the BR... so I should use it to instill fear into my enemies.

I wonder how both compare to the Automag, now that it’s in H3 MCc.

the carbine is my favourite halo weapon

Not when I'm playing, crappy br needs like a whole clip in the face to kill for me but I get a rounds bounce off me and oh look at that no shield left

There is another big difference between the two that you didn't go into, the effectiveness of their respective attributes in different combat scenarios. For example, it could be argued that against a single target, in a 1v1, the BR is gonna win more times than the carbine, assuming two opponents of equal skill level. Both are going to be strafing and attempting to avoid fire. This means that the player with the carbine needs to hit the moving bullseye twice as many times. However, I can think of a situation where the carbine beats the BR, multi kills. In team games or free for all's when you have teammates to help you deplete enemy shields, the carbine can clear up, shooting 4 different targets each once in the head to claim 4 kills in the time the BR could've only shot twice. So, it could be argued the BR is better against single targets and the carbine better against multiple targets.

Yes as you say all preference and what you excel at, I'm horrible with H5 BR but deadly with H5 carbine. In the same sense I'm good with H2 BR.

The carbine is Very useful in halo 4 legendary mode for doing headshots on the grunts and jackles.

I prefer carbine, but one of the reasons why is more of a campaign reason. In Halo 2, most enemies are Covenant. Carbines are extremely plentiful and common. It's easier to find more ammo. Alas, I cannot say my reasoning for Halo 3, since I haven't played Halo 3.

I had to play auto slayer because of how bad the impact of these two are on the sandbox. That was until I found out of much better the balance in H2A was... Still not great but you can actually use other guns and win.