Put it this way. Every Series S play is going to completely be gone. We already don't play due to the imbalance and no optional crossplay even in ranked. Literally pushing out an entire platform. Try it for yourself. Most people can't afford a gaming PC or series x. As a series S player among many with a family to feed will just still to MCC and project sunrise where crossplay is optional in including in ranked. Pretty much if they take out Br and no optional crossplay, it will finally kill our whole section of the community off infinite for good.

@@Vffhndsercchi We had to play on xbox for the world cup qualifiers it felt soooo bad! i feel for yall. I like the br but it would feel a lot better with normal aim assist and less dysnc

@@Tod248 Are you normally playing on PC, and was the qualifier on Xbox Series X dev kits? How different did you find the experience? The reason I ask is that I play on Xbox Series X, I’m 1600 Onyx so I’m reasonably competent, but when it comes to the BR it just feels like I’m playing a different game sometimes. I have zero faith that my two-shot beatdown ever works, and the amount of BR fights that I lose where it looks like I’m hitting every shot is astounding.

@@Jjsssssss Yeah i play pc with controller. Xbox dev kits felt different 1000%

I hate that. It's very frustrating but from what I heard desynce is not a 343 problem

Just remove hit markers entirely.

Hit markers are visual clutter, as if the game didn't have enough already.

Im not a pro at all but the BR is deffo a noob weapon. Way too much aim assist

Its not when the BR takes little effort to aim with.

@@sosososniperss4486 how hard is aiming supposed to be I mean Halo is just a fun video game it’s not meant to be an ultra realistic military sim it’s more then competitive enough the way it is

I agree with you! These guys are trippin! The BR is fairly hard to use especially when the combat gets intense!

@@Stormbreaker1173 When every other weapon takes more skill to use, then its needs to be nerfed.

I hate that the starting competitive gun also happens to be one of the easiest and most versatile.

@@LiamYager in Halo 3 it was skillful cause it had longer bullet travel time and u had to lead ur shots also the spread was wider. in halo 2 the BR was a lot like the Infinite BR and no one really complained then... i think maybe just because it was new and the button combos added a lot of complexity

@@Lin_Eileen but you know what, if they went back to H3 brs people would complain that their shots aren't "registering" You can't win with this cuck like community

Ah yes, the "actual" game designers that designed a game that lost like 95% of it's player base in about 6 months after launch. Yup, they're the ones I want in charge of Halo... lol. TTK means literally nothing in a vacuum. The ease of use of the BR is FAR higher than the Commando and the Pistol, so the faster TTK of those weapons is completely irrelevant because when you average out the TTK in ACTUAL REAL WORLD SCENARIOS across entire games, the BR is going to actually have the faster TTK because it's easier to actually hit shots with.

Man these are some laughably asinine takes 🤣

Lol what's wrong with that? It's the competitive players that play HCS. Not the casuals.. Ofc 343 listen to them, as they should

I swear weapon variants are the answer. They're already in Infinite. Say worse aim assist, very slightly faster killtime. Nobody would bitch about casual and competitive having different settings, then, either--even though prior halo games have had that.

@@Skweanky I think you got Halo Daycare wrong - he's saying 343's issue is *not* listening to comp players and skewing towards social players too much.

@@TyraSnipes i love you

Of course it's easy to use it's the only weapon that feels good to use. Why nerf it? aim assist is basically nonexistent and now you want every gun to feel like shit.

I agree with this comment ever since Reach introduced back a long range single shot precision weapon in comp it made things so much less skillful. Everyone thought the DMR's issue was bloom.... then bloom got removed entirely and the Reach DMR still didn't feel right.... almost a lot like the H1 magnum (wayyyy too strong) a balanced BR where u have have good flicks and tracking is always going to be mroe skillful than a spam trigger and delete u 5 quick shots type gun... even if those weapons have heavy bloom if makes it even worse because it introduces randomness to gunfights. i swear H5 kids just want the starter comp weaon to be the striker sidekick from campaign... Reach ZBNS all over again 🤣

A lot of nuance here for sure! Glad you enjoyed the discussion - I feel you on the title - though click bait also sort of the nature of KZfaq. Open to an alt title if you've got a recommendation

Your argument is flawed also. You obviously internalize the Halo 5 magnum or Reach DMR as the single shot precision weapon in question, because they have very generous amounts of bullet magnetism, allowing the aiming method of snap-flick shots to be the most viable and efficient, otherwise this method wouldn't work so reliably like they do with those weapons in their respective games. The method of perfectly aiming the BR would also apply to single shot precision weapons, if they had the same aim assist/bullet magnetism/bullet spread as the BR. It's the AA and BM values that influence the most viable aiming style for a particular precision weapon. The firing mode of the weapon is completely irrelevant.

LMFAO.

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I agree with this. Didn't we have MLG settings vs Social/Casual settings in Halo 3? That seemed to work and I don't remember pros complaining back then? I could play some sweaty 4v4s in MLG matchmaking and then hop into social slayer BTB. Only differences were a slower TTK by 1 burst of the BR, radar and slower movement.

Yes!! I said the exact same thing almost. It would take more skill to win with pistol starts AND BR starts.

How about get gud and make sure you hit all of your shots?

​@@BeYoND_9000 learn to read

@@GOLIMAAAAR I did and this would solve this problem. Don't miss and there are no arguments. I play infinite on a high level, all of those issues listed are not new, go in and expect that every game, and don't miss your shots. I have one of the highest damage per games and accuracy in rank playlist. No excuse, account for variables if you can even call them that since non of it has been fixed. Learn to adapt, add me on xbox my gamer tag is the same as my KZfaq name, I can help you out!

@@BeYoND_9000 When i said learn to read, i said it because you missed the point, of course you have to play and focus on your problems and adapt to the variables but this isn't the subject here. Even if variables can be good for competitive gaming some of them dont really belong in Halo and here we are talking about a problem on a weapon that made us discover these variables

@@GOLIMAAAAR You fail to realize the root problem behind his reply, the whole conversation, as well as my response. Please send me a message on XBL and I would be happy to further discuss this with you. Telling me to learn to read? What an arrogant tone. That takes some balls, I like balls. If you're actually interested in a conversation though let me know, if you want to "attempt" to troll me just reply here on KZfaq. When it comes to trolling, good luck beating me out on that - Multiple consoles bans + bans on every platform. When it comes to your knowledge of Halo vs mine. It's not close. When it comes to the gap in skill. It's not even comparable. I have played since Halo CE. When I purchased my first xbox I was old enough to comprehend how to play competitively. I am not talking about your big sister or brother or mother handing you the unplugged controller when you were 5 years old giving you the illusion that you were moving forward and shooting on screen. That's assuming you were even around before Halo 3. I can take these pros to school and Shy, he can attest to that. I welcome all who want to send me a message for 1v1 or to compare stats. Not only on infinite, on every Halo. Shys fan base are Wannabe HCS players from Halo 5 that saw MLG on a rockstar can one day. You have the same pros on the scene with no potential for new teams to jump in. These kids make less than 100k a year and play all day. There are not enough LANs or local tourneys to introduce fresh blood, and the prize pools are jokes. Sure if you make under 100k a year winnings + team salary might be middle class. But at the end of the day they are pussies who think they own the sandbox, know what's right, and demand changes that are only being asked for by them. It's honestly ridiculous? She had a video with Nina saying listen to this clown with blue hair. Shy I have news the competitive Halo scene has been dying more and more every year since reach. They can dream of a stadium full of people, but at best could barley fill a YMCA with the lackluster attendance, ratings, game development, and piss poor earnings. I love you and Ynot and have watched both of you grow since Halo 5. I love the energy that you guys bring to the table as well. But the only thing Halo infinite needs is servers to be FIXED, a couple more maps, and a VETO system. At this point in the game make the DMR a power pick up on the map, maybe one or two spawn up. But changing starting weapon for rank now? Community is already dying, why take away what they worked so hard to master ( I love the way that DMR from the videos) But how will that affect the ranked community? Think about how many people wanted to get rid of the DMR since its introduction, then it was off to Halo 5 "This is the worst halo and the pistol is g3y" Now it's Halo 5 was so great and the pistol took so much skill, and DMR? LETS GET THAT BACK ITS THE ROOT OF HALO. My point is pros are poosey a$$ bk scrubs that wine and complain to Taylor the game to their play style which only 1% of the population can achieve because they do not have ass prints in their gaming chair. The community as a whole is way too fragmented to make up their minds on starting weapons and game types, let alone most of them just can't think past what they are typing. We need to get 343 to fix the servers. Stop these BS videos, every content creator for halo. EVERYONE LOBBY FOR MORE MAPS, A VETO SYSTEM, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY SERVERS THAT DONT PLAY LIKE SHIT. IT'S 2023, it's embarrassing. PRIORITIZE SERVERS, STOP WITH THE FUCKING BRAND NEW GREEN AND BLUE DOG SHIT LOOKING COLOR SCHEME FOR ARMORS. Honestly, if 343 wants my money, and if 343 was smart. They would make me pay 10-20 extra a month for premium server access. That's something people would buy, something people would do, and a way they could generate revenue to put back into funding tournaments. Funding prize pools so they are not embarrassing to the people who do this for a living, funding to hire new staff, and funding for fixing current issues. 5+5+5+5 = money well spent all around. I would support that. Thanks for reading my essay hope someone has an educated opinion on this. @unyshek or whatever your name is hit me up for more business ideas that won't cause your studio to crash into a wall. Bye now.

Halo ce magnum lol

H5 magnum eh? That gun was satisfying af to use.

@@WindedWalruss93 yeah I loved it

@@styluxfusion243 yes just not 3-shot that was a bit crazy 😅

Trick is low player count. I feel like social is for more casual players and ranked is for those who want to play competitively with settings that really let you express your skill--so there, BR really isn't the answer. 2 loadouts to choose from, AR/BR in social, perhaps? Or just have social games switch between them. *Maybe* they could make a 3rd main playlist work but I doubt it.

@@gcwishbone please god no. one of the worst aspects of Reach and 4 was the loadout system

@@orangesoda51414 I enjoyed that system but it should not replace the base even starts.

from what I heard i think infinite was initially designed with the commando being the main starting gun. but at the same i dont think the community wouldve taken kindly to the precision weapon being a slow firing fully automatic weapon

@Kaimerah yeah if commando was the starting weapon I got when launch up the game for the first time I'd of probably turned it off and never play again. I legitimately mean that too, it's kinda the same reason I didn't play Halo 5, though I gave the game a bit more of a chance than just turning it on once but I honestly hated the pistol starter. It was a good weapon, but the issue was it made the rest of the weapons feel pointless/useless aside from say rockets or snipe. It made it feel like the game lacked a variety of weapons, as to where in Halo Infinite and the commando just felt underwhelming and bad to use in my opinion I felt like no matter what I never win fights against other weapons with it and because of that I never use it. So it being the starting weapon would of totally killed the game for me and it'd of just been Halo 5 all over again but instead of a weapon that's too good to start with it'd of started with a weapon that's completely awful. Well awful in my opinion at least.

now this i can get behind. like a Bandit Slayer variant for ranked with obviously bandit starting weapons instead of br. pls no god damn loadouts for the love of god

Put it this way. Every Series S play is going to completely be gone. We already don't play due to the imbalance and no optional crossplay even in ranked. Literally pushing out an entire platform. Try it for yourself. Most people can't afford a gaming PC or series x. As a series S player among many with a family to feed will just still to MCC and project sunrise where crossplay is optional in including in ranked. Pretty much if they take out Br and no optional crossplay, it will finally kill our whole section of the community off infinite for good. It's fine it's pay to win via platforms. But the pros who complain about the experience. I challenge you to get to onyx with a series S on stream. First to do it I will personally give $40. I just want this to be understood and listened to by all.

Oh and Bex I know where you're getting at, but the game would have never made it back then under those practices. It would've been a failed franchise.

Lower reticle friction and raise bullet magnetism. The game practically aims for you which is not rewarding. Increasing bullet magnetism will make the guns feel good while still requiring you to be on target

@@justinkidder6872 higher magnetism lower aim assist also makes MKB more viable. One of the only things destiny 2 got right is making mkb or controller both equally viable

@@justinkidder6872 "The game practically aims for you which is not rewarding. Increasing bullet magnetism will make the guns feel good while still requiring you to be on target" no? Increasing bullet magnetism does the opposite, you can aim further off target and still be gifted a hit. If the game aims for you already, why would you increase this aspect lol? Just keep BM the same, reduce the rotational sticky AA a tad, maybe shave off a little bit of red reticle range and remove any trace of spread. And if these changes extend the average TTK too much? Then maybe speed up the rate-of-fire for bursts. This would basically be a hitscan H3BR with no RnG and just a teeeeeny bit faster. Which, now that I think about it, sounds like the Halo Online BR. There. That's a good comp weapon, right there. Less random, harder to use, doesn't beam as much, but has the same potential lethality. Speed up ideal TTK, lengthen average TTK = stretching out skill gap.

Elliott. Don't do it for Xbox.

Put it this way. Every Series S play is going to completely be gone. We already don't play due to the imbalance and no optional crossplay even in ranked. Literally pushing out an entire platform. Try it for yourself. Most people can't afford a gaming PC or series x. As a series S player among many with a family to feed will just still to MCC and project sunrise where crossplay is optional in including in ranked. Pretty much if they take out Br and no optional crossplay, it will finally kill our whole section of the community off infinite for good. It's fine it's pay to win via platforms. But the pros who complain about the experience. I challenge you to get to onyx with a series S on stream. First to do it I will personally give $40. I just want this to be understood and listened to by all.

What on earth are you talking about? No one is playing ranked. The player base is nonexistent.

@@MyAcsm Obviously your facts are non-existent because they are still plenty of players still in Ranked. And I would know cuz I’m on everyday.

@@bali_user3184 anecdotal information much? Yesterday, I saw 10 aliens so there must be a lot of them out there, right?

It’s so satisfying when someone does a quick strafe but you just keep aiming straight at their chest until they finally jump and get foured with a headshot.

Put it this way. Every Series S play is going to completely be gone. We already don't play due to the imbalance and no optional crossplay even in ranked. Literally pushing out an entire platform. Try it for yourself. Most people can't afford a gaming PC or series x. As a series S player among many with a family to feed will just still to MCC and project sunrise where crossplay is optional in including in ranked. Pretty much if they take out Br and no optional crossplay, it will finally kill our whole section of the community off infinite for good. It's fine it's pay to win via platforms. But the pros who complain about the experience. I challenge you to get to onyx with a series S on stream. First to do it I will personally give $40. I just want this to be understood and listened to by all.

Im a casual and the Infinite BR is deffo too easy to use. The aim assist does 70% of the work.

Never was a huge fan of the DMR but I have to admit that it's sound is ingrained in my mind more so than the other weapons from the other games. Halo 2 BR and Halo CE assault rifle are close behind.

Lock on reduces speed (easier to repulse) and reduces base damage requiring an extra rocket to kill a Spartan

@@kdb0705 Lock-on is gay. Double gay if it were on a starter weapon.

They already nerfed it. The BR is the only weapon that actually feels good to use the others feel random and not skillful. I don't know what you are smoking.

Also--the other thing I liked about Halo 5 was the thruster pack. Could pull of some sick plays with it... and it helped balance stuff like plasma pistol. If we had Halo 5's thrusters in this game on spawn, even the current plasma pistol wouldn't be an issue in high-level play. So I'd personally like nerfed Thruster on spawn. Can still pick up other equipment of course... and then there'd have to be some way to toggle between them.

Put it this way. Every Series S play is going to completely be gone. We already don't play due to the imbalance and no optional crossplay even in ranked. Literally pushing out an entire platform. Try it for yourself. Most people can't afford a gaming PC or series x. As a series S player among many with a family to feed will just still to MCC and project sunrise where crossplay is optional in including in ranked. Pretty much if they take out Br and no optional crossplay, it will finally kill our whole section of the community off infinite for good. It's fine it's pay to win via platforms. But the pros who complain about the experience. I challenge you to get to onyx with a series S on stream. First to do it I will personally give $40. I just want this to be understood and listened to by all.

@@Vffhndsercchi That's why a middle ground would be nice. Halo's always had casual and comp options, sometimes it had middle ground settings as well. Unfortunately most players in the competitive playlist want a competitive experience tho. At least for those desiring a middle ground (competitive settings except for a skillful primary weapon, for example), one isn't too far off from a decent experience in either direction.