Ham Radio - Designing a small magnetic loop antenna for pedestrian mobile.

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Kevin Loughin

Kevin Loughin

Күн бұрын

Part one, designing the loop. Part two will be the build and test.
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@kit121
@kit121 Жыл бұрын
You look tired today, get some rest. Hope everything worked out for you. Thanks for the video. I'm planning to build a mag loop as well. Your information will help me a lot. 73.
@hectorpascal
@hectorpascal Жыл бұрын
Looking forward to part 2. ( You look after yourself, Kevin...🙂)
@KeepEvery1Guessing
@KeepEvery1Guessing Жыл бұрын
The other reason for using back to back capacitors is that the solder tab for the rotor is typically connected to the actual rotor plates via a slip ring or worse. At the kind of circulating currents you get in a loop the resistance of the sliding contact is significant. (It's also significant on receive.) Usually the rotor plates for both (or many) sections are already connected together, being on the same shaft, a solid conductor through its whole length, so there's no sliding contact in the circulating current path in the back to back sections scheme. The reason that this helps with the hand capacitance is that the frame of the capacitor is usually what is sliding connected to the rotor(s), and that's a sort of 0 voltage point (at least if the sections are the same value), likewise the shaft itself, and those are the things that your hand gets closest to. Balance is key to limiting the effect of hand capacitance, and physical symmetry helps here. I have an original AlexLoop, and yes, hand capacitance is a significant effect. I don't know if the newer models have better balance. I haven't tried yet, but I've wanted to remote the know with a longish non-conductive shaft extension. Someday. You will want a reduction drive. You have a 25 kHz bandwidth at 20m, and you will want to be reasonably centered to get a good match, so, say you need 6 kHz tuning resolution there. The capacitor's range is intended to take you over 29.7-14 = 15.7 MHz in 180 degrees of capacitor shaft rotation, so a fraction of 1 degree is how finely you must tune, Not fun with direct drive. And with a suitable reduction, it takes a long time to go from 20m to 10m. The commercial antennas probably use those clever dual rate drives, where if you go far enough it's 1:1, but when you back up a bit it's more like 5:1 or more, but they're dear. I've been tempted to return to the days of dial cord, with a big wheel (with tensioning spring) on the capacitor shaft, with the cord wrapped a couple of turns around a small smooth shaft that you turn for fine tuning. You could probably turn the big wheel directly for coarse tuning (probably making the cord slip on the small shaft) and use the small shaft for fine tuning, no special gearbox required. I've also wanted to try modifying things as in your first drawing, where the coupling loop is at the bottom, and the capacitor at the top, using a long non-conductive shaft to place the tuning knob at the bottom. So many projects, so little energy.
@68thBC
@68thBC Жыл бұрын
Get well soon and thanks for your vids.
@problemwithauthority
@problemwithauthority Жыл бұрын
Be well Kevin, I'm looking forward to the next installment of a small mag loop.
@hamradiowithkevin
@hamradiowithkevin Жыл бұрын
This is excellent Kevin, thanks for taking the time to go through the details.
@fryslander
@fryslander Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video Kevin, take care
@colin-4794
@colin-4794 Жыл бұрын
👍Interesting little project. All the best with the health issues.
@FidoHouse
@FidoHouse Жыл бұрын
Hope you are getting the care and rest you need. No rush on Part 2. Now licenced and studying for Canadian. We miss you at the Ratt Pack. Stay safe.
@GMT_400
@GMT_400 Жыл бұрын
Hi Kevin, just wanted to say the “tuning capacitance” in those calculators is actually the total capacitance to resonate. You can check it 1/2pisqrtLC. The distributed capacitance shown there should be subtracted from the total for the capacitor needed. Only possibly big deal at the high frequency wanted. The distributed capacitance on the calcs is pretty accurate for copper pipe. Good luck and have fun. Looking forward to seeing your finished loop. Stay well.
@kiethcrimin2837
@kiethcrimin2837 Жыл бұрын
Howdy this is a great project and I am going to build it. All is good at the desert. We all miss you. Best wishes. K7OTP
@lilblackduc7312
@lilblackduc7312 Жыл бұрын
Boy, oh boy! Kevin Loughin and Magnetic Loops..."It's been such a mighty long time...Shoo bop, shoo bop"...📻 🎼🎵🎶 Thank you...
@g1jee
@g1jee Жыл бұрын
Good to see you making your vids again, Kevin! This is a rather interesting project, might be something I'll try for 10M since the bands are pretty good these days. I listened in as some guys here in town worked a 10M AM station out of western Canada a few weeks ago, pretty neat. Sourcing the variable cap will be an issue but you've given some good directions for that. Thanks again! de KB9OZE
@deankq4adj125
@deankq4adj125 Жыл бұрын
As usual, another very cool video! Can't wait to see how well it works after construction.
@renejrgensen9865
@renejrgensen9865 Жыл бұрын
Having not seen you for 4 weeks. Wishing all the best to you Kevin!!!
@W4EMB
@W4EMB Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the videos. I find them very informative and helpful. Im just an old Army guy, so i know bullets and grenades, i appreciate your knowlege in the field and opinions. Thanks for the time you take to make these videos for others. W4EMB
@raithjames860
@raithjames860 Жыл бұрын
Kevin, I look forward to your videos. I hope the health situation isn't anything serious. Thanks for the video.
@johnorrells3797
@johnorrells3797 Жыл бұрын
Take care. All the best
@M7XCB
@M7XCB Жыл бұрын
Looking forward to seeing part 2 video. Take care Kevin thanks for the video.
@fotografm
@fotografm Жыл бұрын
Excellent info. I will try out the two capacitors in series trick once I can lay my hands on a variable capacitor !!!
@thomasstandley6309
@thomasstandley6309 Жыл бұрын
Great project and great to see you back with content. Hope the medical stuff goes well.
@PaintmanJohn
@PaintmanJohn Жыл бұрын
Looking forward to Part II. Loops are fun ! Get well my friend. 73 de KG5RK BTW, Pay attention to capacitor plate spacing. They WILL arc !
@loughkb
@loughkb Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I mentioned that in the video. I think I said something about keeping the power low on this loop. 5 Watts or less.
@PaintmanJohn
@PaintmanJohn Жыл бұрын
@@loughkb Several years ago W5UUN (SK) and I built a 40 M loop with Junk box parts. Worked GREAT until we got to about 35 Watts. LOL...
@JT-py9lv
@JT-py9lv Жыл бұрын
Good to see you creating content. Hope all is going well with your personal life. Best Wishes.
@johnbigbooty
@johnbigbooty Жыл бұрын
Kevin, I built my first magnetic loop about 7 years ago. Of course, I made mistakes, but it turned out in the end totally awesome results. You're going to have a blast. I can't wait for the videos.
@loughkb
@loughkb Жыл бұрын
Oh this is far from my first mag loop. If you search my channel, you'll see I've built many of them in the past. Including one for 474 khz
@johnbigbooty
@johnbigbooty Жыл бұрын
@@loughkb I will look them up Kevin!
@raydavidsonm0ray.777
@raydavidsonm0ray.777 Жыл бұрын
Hi Kevin, It's Great to see & hear from you again buddy, and I, , , like many others around the world love ❤️ you & your videos. I especially love your dedicated Magnetic Loop Antenna projects videos. This one is Fantastic, & as much, , , , I look forward to the next one, HOWEVER Kevin my friend, whatever your medical requirements and problems are, PLEASE Put Those First, And GET WELL 1ST & SOON. Praying For You. Kind Regards, Ray, aka M0RAY, South East England, UK.
@justinelliott3529
@justinelliott3529 Жыл бұрын
I hope all is well. Love your vids man
@ohmbug10
@ohmbug10 Жыл бұрын
Cool subject for a video Kevin. I hope you get well soon.
@ICEDoTDK
@ICEDoTDK Жыл бұрын
Hi Kevin I just want to say you are doing so well with all your videos I have been watching for the last few years I have just made a magnetic loop antenna myself also made a video so stop by greetings from Denmark
@perojunak6949
@perojunak6949 Жыл бұрын
Great video as always Kevin!
@acestudioscouk-Ace-G0ACE
@acestudioscouk-Ace-G0ACE Жыл бұрын
An interesting project and talk through. Best wishes for your medical outcome. 👍 😊
@AdamosDad
@AdamosDad Жыл бұрын
Get well fast Kevin.
@willieb6529
@willieb6529 Жыл бұрын
if you read the al-705 instruction sheet, it details how to use hand capacitance to tune the antenna... i also use 'reverse' tuning, which means shifting the vfo to lower swr and raise reception...
@davidniemi4051
@davidniemi4051 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Kevin.
@paulstubbs7678
@paulstubbs7678 Ай бұрын
The reason a single gang moves so, is because the shaft that you are touching is one side of the capacitor, your connecting your body to the antenna, so of course that's going to affect it. with a twin variable you are making the loop a balanced element, and the centre, neutral part is the shaft, so touching it has way less effect. Even using a large plastic knob on a single variable cap won't help that much as you are still coupling yourself in, just capacitively rather that a DC connection, again to one side. I.E, do you hand on to a dipole antenna element and hope that wont effect it's tuning? Unfortunately loops being so sharp in tuning, you cannot get away with anything. For a single variable capacitor try using a good length of fibreglass, or plexiglass rod as a shaft extension so you can adjust it whilst not electrically touching it (or getting too close)
@steveedwards90
@steveedwards90 Жыл бұрын
Hope you are well kev take care
@joemcmanus79
@joemcmanus79 Жыл бұрын
de WB2ZDB Hey Kevin, THANK YOU SO MUCH for going through this, a LOT of this I've been able to glen from NUMEROUS other videos (both yours & others) but there were STILL a lot of unanswered questions which you JUST ANSWERED...THANK YOU AGAIN!!! HOPE & PRAY everything goes well for you and you're able to get back to doing what you want to do & not what you have to do to survive. 🙏 Take care of your self and I can't wait for PART 2 (and any others that may result). 👍😁 Much love ❤️ Brother, 73 ...-.-
@kd5inm
@kd5inm Жыл бұрын
I hope you are feeling better
@nvrumi
@nvrumi Жыл бұрын
First, I hope your medical issues get sorted out quickly. Second, the ARRL Antenna Handbook has the equations for calculating the various parts for loop antenna design. It is personal preference, but I don't like black box calculators. This comes from decades of being an engineer. I want to understand how the various components interact when working on a design. Thanks for the video and take care my friend. 73 de AG7TX
@eblast105
@eblast105 Жыл бұрын
Take your hand out of the capacitance equation by using a length of rubber hose on the tuning caps shaft to allow turning it from a distance.
@loughkb
@loughkb Жыл бұрын
the big problem there is flex in the hose. you need to be really precise when adjusting the cap on these mag loops, and any play in even a stiff rubber hose will make it very difficult.
@johnpawlicki1184
@johnpawlicki1184 Жыл бұрын
One does not want different values in the dual capacitor. Yes the capacitance can be calculated, but the isolation to your hand approach will be reduced. Good start. 🙂
@paulthompson1988
@paulthompson1988 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your video. Hope your medical event has a good outcome. 73
@Steve-GM0HUU
@Steve-GM0HUU Жыл бұрын
Thanks Kevin. Always think that "Mag Loops" are amazing antennas. In terms of small footprint and portability, can they be beaten?
@BMCTackle
@BMCTackle Жыл бұрын
Kevin, great video. I want to get a mag loop for receiving here at home. What is the difference between a receive only vs a transmit and receive mag loop? How far should a receive only mag loop be from the transmitting antennas?
@alexgfan88
@alexgfan88 Жыл бұрын
hey kev it’s me saegan!
@loughkb
@loughkb Жыл бұрын
Howdy! Hope you're doing well. I'm back home too.
@Siskiyous6
@Siskiyous6 Жыл бұрын
At some point maybe you could tell us how to find out the pico farad range of an unknown air variable capacitor and it's voltage limits.
@loughkb
@loughkb Жыл бұрын
I find the capacitance value using a capacitance meter. as far as voltage, I don't know, you'd have to find the manufacturer's specs I guess.
@SpinStar1956
@SpinStar1956 Жыл бұрын
Hello! There are equations that you can lookup that will give you the breakdown in air (and other dielectrics. I don’t recommend that you do this but many years ago, I used a 60KV neon-sign transformer on a variac with a series string of high-value resistors (to severely limit current) to induce an actual non-destructive breakdown; of which you can the use an old TV high-voltage probe to measure the potential; short of that measure the input voltage to the transformer, then using the turns-ratio, infer the actual voltage.
@om0wt
@om0wt Жыл бұрын
Hi Kevin. How are you doing? No live signs for last 4 months. Hope you are doing well...
@loughkb
@loughkb Жыл бұрын
Dealing with long covid. Finally just starting to show a little bit of improvement. Hope to get a video on the channel soon.
@incaboy1951
@incaboy1951 Жыл бұрын
Mr. Loughin, is there any way you could post the schematic for your "Rebuilding the L network antenna tuner circuit"? I'm in the process of building the tuner. I know my question is off subject. I'm kinda new at this stuff.
@loughkb
@loughkb Жыл бұрын
You'll find the schematic in the previous video on the actual tuner. Just search my channel for l Network tuner and you'll find it.
@incaboy1951
@incaboy1951 Жыл бұрын
@@loughkb I did watch that video first. I just wanted to make sure I get your new circuit correct with your add on parts. Thanks. Your videos are first class!
@user-di8ib3rk9s
@user-di8ib3rk9s Жыл бұрын
Hi Kevin! Please, where can I write to you? Thank you! Regards Dima.UT4NJ.
@loughkb
@loughkb Жыл бұрын
My public email is on qrz.com
@user-di8ib3rk9s
@user-di8ib3rk9s Жыл бұрын
@@loughkb OK, thank you very much, wrote...
@mmcampnl4535
@mmcampnl4535 Жыл бұрын
Hey man, how are you? (pd0zz, martin)
@leos9865
@leos9865 Жыл бұрын
take care of yourself.
@jesusserrano546
@jesusserrano546 Жыл бұрын
Hi, Kevin I am seeking your technical advice regarding a project that I need to carry out to find out if you can recommend any forums or websites where I can find more information on the subject. In a course I am taking, I was assigned the task of building a QRP CW Transceiver that operates in the 160 band, but my team and I have no idea where to start. I have seen videos explaining the operation of a Transceiver in general and how they work, but I still cannot find information that will help me at least understand the basics to start building it. Thank you again, and if you have any information that can guide me, I would appreciate it.
@dougtaylor7724
@dougtaylor7724 Жыл бұрын
Kevin, I don’t seem to be getting notifications. Anyone else have problems?
@loughkb
@loughkb Жыл бұрын
You might be able to correct it by unsubscribing to the channel, resubscribe to the channel and then click the bell for notifications and that should reset the settings.
@dougtaylor7724
@dougtaylor7724 Жыл бұрын
Will give that a shot. Thanks!
@Thefreakyfreek
@Thefreakyfreek Жыл бұрын
Mate don't stress yourself you look terrible dont do stuf you are not comfortable right now get better first. Thanks anyway
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