Hamas official says group would lay down weapons if two-state solution is implemented

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Ай бұрын

A top Hamas political official told The Associated Press the Islamic militant group is willing to agree to a truce of five years or more with Israel and that it would lay down its weapons and convert into a political party if an independent Palestinian state is established along pre-1967 borders. The comments by Khalil al-Hayya in an interview Wednesday came amid a stalemate in months of cease-fire talks. (AP video and production by Mehmet Guzel) Read more here: bit.ly/3QgQGb3
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@dprpr Ай бұрын

The Hamas guy doesn't say "two-state solution" but your headline says "two-state solution." Why do you do this?

@canitbethat Ай бұрын

You're absolutely right. Terrible journalism here.

@startrain1 Ай бұрын

He's talking about a Palestinian state, alongside Israel, so of course it's a two-state solution that he's referring to. You can infer this from what he says. This is why.

@startrain1 Ай бұрын

@@canitbethat Absolutely wrong, actually. Great journalism.

@canitbethat Ай бұрын

@@startrain1 Exactly -- he's allowing you to infer it, but never actually saying it. Listen very carefully to what he says, and check whether he said anything that commits him to the permanent existence of Israel. You'll find that he didn't. They can talk about temporary "truces" with Israel, but never recognition of Israel or permanent solutions that include Israel, because they're still ultimately committed to the destruction of Israel. It's the one thing they never lie about directly. The farthest they'll go is to say things that will cause you to infer what you wish they were saying. Read their charter, though -- there's no mistaking their commitment to the ultimate destruction of Israel. To him, the establishment of a Palestinian state alongside Israel, under a temporary truce, is a step that provides a sovereign platform for preparing for the ultimate invasion and destruction of Israel once the truce expires. He's unwilling even to lie and say otherwise.

@canitbethat Ай бұрын

@@startrain1 Exactly -- he's allowing you to infer it, but never actually saying it. Listen very carefully to what he says, and check whether he said anything that commits him to the permanent existence of Israel. You'll find that he didn't. They can talk about temporary "truces,” but never recognition of Israel or permanent solutions that include Israel, because they're still ultimately committed to its destruction. It's the one thing they never lie about directly. The farthest they'll go is to say things that will cause you to infer what you want to hear. Read their charter, though -- there's no mistaking their actual intent. To him, the establishment of a Palestinian state, under a temporary truce, is a step that provides a sovereign platform for preparing for the ultimate invasion and destruction of Israel once the truce expires. He's unwilling even to lie and say otherwise.

@fawa.z Ай бұрын

I pray that you resume talks and come to a conclusion.

@Alex_reH Ай бұрын

Where did he say Hamas would lay down arms if they become a state? He said the Hamas fighters and weapons would become the national army of this new state, literally the opposite of laying down arms.

@kpoonwah Ай бұрын

Just like the IDF was birthed from the terrorist group Haganah 🤷🏽‍♀️

@user-vu6vu7fp5s Ай бұрын

Since when is it prohibited for any country to have a national army?😂

@Alex_reH Ай бұрын

@@user-vu6vu7fp5s Who said it was? The AP in the video title said they would lay down arms, the guy in the video said they would not. I pointed out the discrepancy .

@user-vu6vu7fp5s Ай бұрын

@@Alex_reH So yeah, Hamas' military wing will be dismantled and a national Palestinian army will be built in its place

@Alex_reH Ай бұрын

@@user-vu6vu7fp5s Which is a contradiction in reality, What is the functional difference between the armed wing of Hamas (which is just a government of an unrecognized region) and the armed wing of a recognized Palestinian state? Who is going to serve as soldiers in this army? Swiss mercenaries? Arms are not being laid down, they are being rebranded. Not that it matters because Gaza having arms shouldn't be the issue, it's what they do with them that should be the issue. Also this is about the video and it's terrible title, which doesn't mention Israel or US stances only the words of this Hamas leader. And he said that a 2 state solution would buy a 5 or more year truce, not a laying down of arms.

@Given_Freeman8 Ай бұрын

Israel wont commit to a 2 state solution... Beg for it but it wont happen

@tobiasautoglassaz Ай бұрын

That was either translated poorly, or this guy is a terrible communicator. He didn't finish a single thought. No wonder things are such a mess over there.

@TruthBeTold6573 Ай бұрын

There was some mistranslations and some of what he said was not translated.

@baxterscientific Ай бұрын

Nah.. Your hours are limited and negotiation is over.

@moussa.azzoug Ай бұрын

Hamas official says group would lay down weapons if two-state solution is implemented ؟ did he § ----- تهميش ---- (1) د.خليل إسماعيل إبراهيم الحية (أبو أسامة) (ولد بغزة،في الخامس من نوفمبر عام 1960م) سياسي فلسطيني، ونائب في المجلس التشريعي الفلسطيني عن حركة المقاومة الإسلامية حماس، وعضو المكتب السياسي للحركة، ونائب رئيس الحركة في قطاع غزة، ورئيس المكتب الاعلامي لحركة حماس، وأحد قادتها. تعرض لعدة محاولات إغتيال، وقتل على إثر هذه المحاولات 19 شخصاً من عائلته. - حمّل الحية في تصريح صحفي صدر عنه، ما وصفه «الصمت العربي المريب» المسؤولية تجاه «مجازر سكان غزة .وقال الحية، في معرض نعيه لعدد من أبناء عائلته الذين قتلوا في مجزرة حي الشجاعية اليوم «نعدكم بالنصر المؤزر ودماء أبنائي من عائلة الحية وعائلات الشجاعية والشعب الفلسطيني لن تذهب هدرا وستقربنا من لحظة الانتصار» (2) (-1-) السلاح ( المقاومة والثورة ) ما هي وظيفته ؟ - اخراج الاحتلال : فاذا خرج الاحتلال ( ومن خلال كل تجارب الشعوب التي حصلت على استقلالها ماذا فعلت ؟ تحولت الى احزاب سياسية وجيشها المقاتل المدافع تحول الى الجيش الوطني . نحن اذا اخذنا حقوقنا الوطنية واقيمت الدولة الفلسطينية ( دون أي اشارة ) . كل ما نملكه سيتحول كبنيان اساسي لهذه الدولة . - ملاحظة من الواضح ان التصريح تم التلاعب به . بل والشريط كله , بداية من بث ما قبل البث حول التحسين ؟ ثم تصوير اليد ؟ ويبدا الحديث مقتضب ومن الوسط حول ان العدو يقول ذلك :" وعدم قدرته على انهاء القدرة البشرية والمهنية للمقاومة فان لم ينهيها , ما الحل ؟ الحل نذهب الى توافق , نحن عرضنا اكثر من حل , انشاء دولة فلسطينية في الضفة وغزة وعاصمتها القدس وعودة اللاجئين ضمن القرارات الدولية , ونعيش في دولة ونتفق على وقف اطلاق النار وهدنة مدتها 05 سنوات او اكثر ." ثم يتطرق الى سياق الجكلة اعلاه (-1- ) عن وظيفة السلاح

@user-ls7bo4mi9u Ай бұрын

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@BonShula Ай бұрын

What a fantastic liar. What would that country be called? Palestine?

@lawkid5098 Ай бұрын

The country would be called...PITMOI...Palestine in the middle of israel

@SaidurRahman-yy1kv Ай бұрын

Palestine will free

@planb2604 Ай бұрын

The swords in the flag make me feel his right... NOOOOT!

@sklaboratory1000 Ай бұрын

It's possible that Hamas is avoiding direct language to sidestep confrontation with the United States. Hence, they may have opted for the term " two-state solution."

@canitbethat Ай бұрын

Did you hear (or see in the subtitles) the term "two-state solution?" I didn't. I think that's an interpretation added to the headline by AP, not something he actually said. To say that would be to propose recognizing the State of Israel, something that Hamas has said they would never do. So I don't think we're going to hear a Hamas spokesman use a term like that.

@TruthBeTold6573 Ай бұрын

The difference between the “two-state solution” and Hamas’ peace proposal is that the “two-state solution” is supposed to be a permanent solution to the Arab-Israeli conflict that requires the Palestinians and the Arab states to recognize Israel’s “right to exist” and normalize relations with it, which Hamas refuses. The Arab peace initiative proposed by Saudi Arabia in 2002, which Hamas has never actually accepted, only requires the Israelis to withdraw from Gaza, the West Bank and East Jerusalem. The truce that Hamas offers Israel is supposed to be only temporary. Hamas will never negotiate or have any kind of peace deal with the Israelis without involving all Palestinian factions. Hamas will only accept an independent Palestinian state on the 1967 borders on a national consensus and without recognizing “Israel” or normalizing relations with it, which the Palestinians are not actually required to do.

@leslie-annmills-gomez8763 Ай бұрын

No two state at this point...Only Palestine, Ireal cannot live peacefully with anyone

@cpt_rr40 Ай бұрын

no the Palestine's cant live peacefully with anyone that why Egypt has a strong border on Gaza also not to mention the fact that Israel is living peacefully next to Jordan and Egypt two Arab states

@KikiD1965 Ай бұрын

Sure

@davidhoover3347 Ай бұрын

What a joke.

@omoladewellington960 Ай бұрын

Where are the hostages in your custody? They are suffering...

@Stahlhalter 13 күн бұрын

What about the hostages Israel has had for decades? They beeeen suffering. No media coverage until israelis are taken though. How’s being a sheep?

@-DM Ай бұрын

Why is Turkey, a NATO member, allowing Hamas leadership to operate from within it's borders?

@T.efpunkt Ай бұрын

Why not?

@cunlie6788 Ай бұрын

Becoz endorgan is hamas

@voulathomacos-lagonas8445 Ай бұрын

@@T.efpunktTHEY'RE TERRORISTS

@BonShula Ай бұрын

Because Turks

@peace1170 Ай бұрын

@@cunlie6788 that old goat always a terrorist supporter against India , supporting terrorist Pakistan!

@MarieGroenewald-eq6pk Ай бұрын

Blackmail again amd again you are all liars

@stephenmcpherson3139 Ай бұрын

Liar!!!

@GotoHere Ай бұрын

How is this guy still slive? Where is Massad?

@DuckmanYaHeard Ай бұрын

Too late rockchucker

@marioreds7826 Ай бұрын

Israel started the war, with 7 decades of occupying Palestinian land and harassing the locals.

@T.efpunkt Ай бұрын

It's never to late for justice.

@shahinamukadam2233 Ай бұрын

Wise comments, the international community should take this opportunity to end the violence and create 2 states. If not, things will get worse for both,. The world is changing, no longer can colonial occupiers rule people. Modern technology and defence equipment is removing the earlier advantages that US and Israel enjoyed.

@canitbethat Ай бұрын

He's not proposing two states. He's proposing to create a Palestinian state with no recognition of Israel, Israeli withdrawal to borders that would be difficult to defend, and a five-year truce to form an alliance with Iran and build up military forces, to be followed by an invasion as soon as the truce expires. He knows it, Israel knows it, and I'm guessing you probably know it, too.

@shahinamukadam2233 Ай бұрын

@@canitbethat this is a very pessimistic view... No one wants violence... Just like India & Pakistan... Let both Israel and Palestenian people live in peace

@canitbethat Ай бұрын

@@shahinamukadam2233 I'll admit to pessimism if you'll admit to optimism. :-) You're saying that "no one wants violence," presumably including Hamas, less than seven months after Oct. 7. After the Oct. 7 attack, their own spokesman said that they wanted to do it again and again until Israel is destroyed. I personally want Israel and the Palestinian people to live in peace, just as you do. I acknowledge though, that not everyone believes Israel should exist, and that many are willing to do violence to try to eliminate it. This has been the mission of Hamas since their founding, as they said themselves in their own charter.

@samk.4158 Ай бұрын

@@shahinamukadam2233it's not "pessimistic" it's the truth. All this "truce" is meant to do is to re group themselves And then they will attack after five years. They said they wouldn't even recognize Israel as a state. Of course Hamas wants violence. If they didn't, they wouldn't have put a limit to their "truce" for only 5 years and a refusal to call Israel a state. Their goal is still to destroy Israel

@faisalhussainmohammed2815 Ай бұрын

Egypt Gazzah ---- Urdunniyyah Falestin !!! Ursalim AL Quds Urdunniyyah Falestin !!! 🤚🌙🌙🌙🇮🇳

@dotcomlim Ай бұрын

Unconditional surrender

@hsiehmay Ай бұрын

In your dreams.

@misternevermiss12 Ай бұрын

Not just a two state solution, he wants the right of return, which has always been the exact problem. This guy doesn’t want peace. He wants endless war, endless sympathy and endless money 😴

@T.efpunkt Ай бұрын

So... people wanting to go back home is a problem? Why and for whom?

@canitbethat Ай бұрын

It's not just a right of return that Hamas wants. They want the overthrow of Israel, and they never say otherwise. Although they are liars in many other respects, for some reason, they are unwilling to lie about this. It's why they can never recognize Israel, and can only discuss temporary truces, never permanent solutions that include Israel. In the end, they're committed to overthrowing Israel, and remarkably, this goal means so much to them that they can't even lie about it.

@canitbethat Ай бұрын

He wants the overthrow of Israel. Hamas has been very clear about this, and he's still not saying otherwise. This goal is so important to Hamas that they are unable to lie about it directly. They can only talk about temporary "truces" never permanent solutions that include Israel, because in the end, they're still committed to overthrowing it.

@T.efpunkt Ай бұрын

@@canitbethat and what's your specific problem with that?

@misternevermiss12 Ай бұрын

@@T.efpunkt because millions of people live there? Israel has fought for and won their ancestral homeland. It’s their land, simple as that. If Palestinians practiced pacifism they would have had a state 50 years ago, instead they choose violence and lose every time. What would you expect to happen to the 9.5 million inhabitants of Israel? (2.1 million of them Arabs)?