Sauce?

then why would he cast himself as the lead lol

Dylan Ford What’s a GOOD reason he casted himself?

Everybody and their mom knows this.

@@matthewatkison7526 If I created a play or musical I'd cast myself as the lead role lol. I dont blame him

In the compendium book Lin-Manuel talks about how he pretty much turned in a different performance every night. With a lot of the other actors there's points where the physical demands of the performance sort of override the acting, and it never did with Jackson IMO. Incredible talent.

he was by far my favorite.

Who was heM

@@mr.mcweasel6257 Washington.

@@mr.mcweasel6257 he was George Washington

i feel like he only sounded nervous and talking to fast in act 1 though when he was still young, he had alot of brain but no polish

Damn! That makes a whole hell of a lot of sense!

Yea. I think it was fully intentional. He’s an bastard orphan coming from a rough life and entering an entirely new one. He’s nervous and breathless and isn’t the best. He’s trying desperately to prove himself and make a carreer and learning the ropes. He’s not supposed to be a complete master of words though once he gets his polish, he’s no longer struggling while moving through the ropes of politics and now leaps through them with ease and mastery.

Exactly, Lin Manuel Miranda is a musical genius. I refuse to believe anything is a coincidence in these songs.😂

yeah I thought it was obvious that he's breathless and in a rush on purpose. it's well done and brings something new

Oh no *You’ve said the words that unlock my memories of the fandom.*

whats... whats "miku binder"???

​@@theyketchup4544 "Miku binder" is a reference to a drawing of a transgender, bisexual, weaboo, drug-dealing Thomas Jefferson that wears a binder with a Hatsune Miku design on it.

@@helenaperez4343 i... i regret asking. Excuse me while i purge my mind of that image.

why would you say something like that

hE DoEs?!?!!#!??

h u h ?

"makes constant references to musicals in animated film reviews" "pretty sure he referenced hamilton at least 3 times in them" "Schaff likes Hamliton" Holy shit.

Top ten plot twist

I didn't know .-.

No our real lord and savior Is the potato

HaveyouacceptedHamiltionasyourpersonallordandsavior

Hye Biased N-no, I like Les Misérables

Evan Watkins are you in 2012 my guy?

Hye Biased ghost stories?

Ah, the musical/opera distinction. Interesting.

You don’t have it in Hamilton because the talking is like talk singing if that makes sense? And because Lin knows how to blend music together so it fits seamlessly. It’s all about execution.

There actually is one part In the musical with just talking but it's only like 2 words

Musicals with no talking are literally the worst lol. I don’t love musicals in general either, but I can suffer through the songs if I get some actual conversation I can focus on too. I just really enjoy dialogue and it’s very hard for me to enjoy media that lacks any

@@Effervescent06 so does this not count as dialogue? Because characters in Hamilton converse through song, singing is their dialogue. What do you like about dialogue that singing can’t match? I’m just curious because I find your position a bit strange

the fandom got a LIIIIIIIIIIIIITTLE out of control lol oof

Wat

I love fanart of different fandoms, Hamilton including. But with shipping, I kind of draw a line. Well... it's technically canon through historical letters than John Laurens and Alexander liked each other, but still, I draw a line!

@@anothercarttogo1819 Generally, I can get behind it when it has historical basis. Lams, Hamgelica and Howardcleves (Six) at least make some sort of sense. Why does Jamilton exist? They HATED each other!

People who were present in the fandom when that image was first birthed from the ninth circle of hell deserve a veteran's discount. Anytime I see it I'm delt 25 psychic damage.

What does "miku binder" mean?

TyphoonZebra it’s a reference to the jefferson fanart that schaff showed at the beginning of the video

TyphoonZebra binder with Hatsune Mike on it, referencing that cursed Jefferson fanart

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@@whydoiexist4430 I hate you

The fandom is scary

I know and I’m a part of it. Seriously back out now. Do not follow me down here

Hello the Hamilton simps are here

Clarina Stoneheart Oh I’ve already seen too much

Because you're an empty cup waiting to be told what your opinions should be?

I agree but my heart will be sad bc it probably won't be Damon Daunno playing Orpheus, and his performance in the 2017 version is easily stronger imo

Yes. You don’t know how much I love Hadestown. I’m a low alto. I think that’s all I have to say. Also both the Broadway cast and OG cast are great and I love them.

I haven't seen Hadestown, so this is making me hyped for it

A Cote I KNOWWWWW HIS VOCALS WERE SO MAGICAL the new actor (I can’t be bothered to remember his name) is a passable actor but his vocals are just...the worst in the show by far and hilarious compared to damon daunno but they rewrote songs to give him more singing than DD??? Like I skip over his part in chant and wait for me

yeah but i hope it's not just available on disney+

I hope it didn't hurt 😌

Mila Blanco it did. It felt like I was stuck in dry ice while in the middle of the Spanish Inquisition

@@marshmallowallen5677 no one expects the Spanish Inquisition

Johnny Anonymity they always come when you least expect it, OH SHIT THEY FOUN...

miku binder Thomas Jefferson war flashbacks

MJVD G MJVD G exactly, thats exactly why i dislike Theatre Kids (not all, but obnoxious stereotypical ones) act like they know all about the american revolution because they listened to Hamilton, i was almost like that in 6th-7th grade, and i grew out of that phase and I’m glad i did before i got to US History. Ive met people who thought that Philip Hamilton was an Only Child and that Angelica, Eliza and Peggy were the only Schuyler kids, and when i ask them why they think that, they source Hamilton. I love Hamilton, and its partially what made me so interested in history, but i dont say that i know US History and just credit Hamilton. You can like the idea of Hamilton Thomas Jefferson and Hamilton Alexander Hamilton dating, or that Hamilton Thomas Jefferson is trans and has a miku binder, but dont romanticize the brutality of the war, the slavery, the affair or the revolutions because you like the musical.

@@snoozebvtton4874 : There's a line in where Phillip says ‘I have a sister’, so if they don't know that much, then they weren't paying attention! (There's also a #Ham4Ham where they do all of Hamilton's children to "So Long, Farewell" from _The Sound of Music,_ so true stans know all of them.) (But there's also a line where Angelica says ‘my father has no sons’, and that ain't true.)

It’s good for knowing basic dates of when things happened and who was involved but if anyone wants anything more specific you gotta read a history book

yeah, it really annoys me when ppl complain about hamilton being inaccurate without mentioning the fact that literally EVERY other "historical" musical is just as (if not even more) inaccurate. musicals like 1776 and Evita get waaaaay more things wrong about history, but of course hamilton is the one that gets the most flak bc it's more popular.

@@snoozebvtton4874 the theater kid thing doesn't really exist at my school there's theater kids yes but not theater kids if that makes sense. So when I see people hate theater kids i always think they hate people who enjoy theater until I realsisd

Don’t go into the fandom. It’s scary in there.

@@unhingedpenguin4870 Idk - I've been peeking in over the last month or so, and honestly, from the way people were talking about it, I'd expected it to be hell. And it really wasn't. That phenomenon where the people who love the show most feel the need to constantly distance themselves from "those weird fans, I'm not like THEM" annoyed me much more than people shipping Jamilton. I've been on the Internet before you know. It needs more than a vaguely controversial ship to faze me. And there wasn't much more, from what I've seen. The insaner parts (like the fanart in this video) are being called out by literally everybody and, from my limited experience... are not a good characterization of the fandom as a whole. I'd join you all, but honestly - I don't have the energy to be in a fandom that gets so much shit from everyone. It's tiring.

Same.

@@baguettegott3409 I get where you’re coming from. I agree with all of the statements in this video even tho some of them kinda called me out like with the shipping. Yes, I am shipping some characters and yes, I don’t ship the founding fathers but the characters in the musical and how they are portrayed. I recently made an Account on Hamilton Amino and the fandom was so welcoming. The majority are so nice and I haven’t met a single toxic fan yet. And in days they grew to be kind of like a family. I feel so appreciated in the Hamilton fandom because people like my art and are nice. And now we are often doing video calls and playing Minecraft. Of course fandoms can be scary but it’s not nearly as bad as people say it is. For me it was one of the best experience I ever had actually

@@Igelmanz You're so right :D I wrote this comment two months ago, and let's just say, those were two good months. AO3 had a lot to offer, and yeah, it's a bit ridiculous and shameful, but also - it was a great time. The people were cool, and I felt it added to the whole experienc of Hamilton. I mean, if I hadn't looked deeper into the fandom, I'd never have discovered nonbinary Lafayette, can you imagine that?? No but seriously. The fandom is cool. I'm honestly part of much more toxic and exhausting fandoms. The worst part by far was, as I'd predicted, being made fun of by other musical theatre fans.

This

^^ !!!!!!

YES. FINALLY SOMEONE UNDERSTANDS!

Could you please tell me where I could watch it? 😊

@@cheeseisherelive753 Amazon Prime!!!

i as well 😔

Buff Music Man tbh I love that meme because thomas jefferson would absolutely hate everything about it and that delights me

It makes me want to die

@@camilafeitosa7743 name a person who doesn't hate everything about it

@@camilafeitosa7743 imagining Thomas Jefferson's reaction to the phrase "I met God, she's black" brings me so much pure joy

What's his name man?

Hello! I would like to tell you about a musical about America a long long time ago.

did you ever hear the tragedy of president hamilton the wise

And even in those early days ge was sponsored by SquareSpace

"Hello! My name is Elder Schaff And I would like to share with you The most amazing show."

Amazing

Fandom: Oh my god, tear this dude apart

Chaos and Bloodshed are not a solution, don’t let them lead you astray

This fandom does not speak for me their playing a dangerous game I pray that Lin shows you his mercy for shame for shame

Excellent eggcorn

He really got into character. LOL

I thought it added to it. King George's character as a froth-at-the-mouth madman matched with that performance. (I also like the character and may be grasping at straws, sorry).

the fact that he didn’t break character or lick his lip or something is really impressive!

It put me off his first song when I listen to it now

@@marioalfredo5542 EVERYONE likes King George. There's nothing to apologize for.

This is a mood

maybe you can see it on soap2day?

torrentão brabo saiu no primeiro dia de lançamento, não é dificil baixar

drive.google.com/file/d/1W47OIpM9WNnj_cixeERLmOVRo-ibEceu/view

Use a vpn

No. Just no...

This is the Dai Li. You are hereby accused of high treason and disturbing the peace. Now, come with us, or we will employ more forceful tactics

The power of christ compels you ✝️ begone satan

Marshmallow Allen There’s no version of Thomas Jefferson like that in Ba Sing Se. Come take a vacation to Lake Lagiou

Renee Ra Ra that’s the worst spelling of Lake Lao-Guai I’ve ever seen

already cried enough during quiet uptown but then seeing his face and he was crying and he looked so defeated... i cried just a bit more

Me crying on how I don’t have Disney + ;v;

Also I can finally learn the dance moves instead of just imagining my one moves(which is horrible)

Yea. I’m actually always surprised when it’s not the end. I consider it the main ending. Non stops just a quick time skip so you have info for “what did I miss” which gives a very strong entrance with a key character that defines part 2 and the plot being intoduced and it’s kinda a welcoming song not only for the character but the audience as well.

hate to be that person but it's called Laurens Interlude, and he left it out to be a surprise when people watched the musical irl. it was intentional.

So it went full James Bond? Okay I need to see this now

XO KiraAnimations XO About 2:25:00

@@georgesikorski9891 As a matter of fact, it did. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/aNWVhaeJzLjdeIk.html

@@cryofpaine Thank you!

There is a musical called Amadeus?

@@tychoderkommentator2989 nope an old movie about mozart

Similar almost to inglorious basterds as well

Amadeus gang rise up

Comandante Thorn There is this a German-language musical called Mozart that I like...

Laugh in 144p resolution Laugh in 20 minutes of black screen Seriously, fuck Broadway

What is “that Image””. ???

@@starlord6433 the "Thomas Jefferson" in a hatsunu miku binder drawing from the beginning of the video

This.

Other cons -people like Mike Pence being fans of the show -people treating the show like historical fact

@@tcideh4929 Yes, it is historical fiction, but in the American Gov class I TA'd for in highschool had the students really involved for that year because of the musical, so I feel it's a great way to get people interested in learning more. (And I know that sounds like "and then everyone clapped" but it's the truth)

The show was filmed from the end of Lin's run. He'd been living with the musical for over 8 years at that point, while the rest of cast was only about a year in. Lin was ready to leave. understandably, and it kind of shows. Of course he was tired and burned out.

True

Yeah, in all the close ups you could see how tired he was. Not saying that baggy eyes are bad but you could tell, ahha.. but he did an excellent job nevertheless!

Robby Bevard I saw him live, and the start was slow when I saw it in person as well.

Either way, he’s still not the best performer. I can’t stress that enough. I said that once to my friends because I’ve listened to so many musicals and they almost murdered me. When you look at him as a talent, and then look at EVERYONE ELSE he’s clearly lackluster. His composing skills are fabulous, but the only reason he’s on Broadway is because of those composing skills.

Dam!

Oh yes! Is such a good musical, way better of the movies.

*she steals my mascara and all of my dates*

THIS. I listened to it out of curiosity the other day and the line about josh groban in DOA literally put me on my ASS

it’s not that good

I didn't like that part because the song was so soft and I was used to the soft crying in the soundtrack that kind of went with the melody

I loved that part and also hated it bc it made me cry

She's an amazing singer and actress, honestly a queen

@@peculiarcandlestick I mean I see where your coming from, but that scream really shows Eliza's pain with Phillip dieing, it just has strong emotional strings to it ya know?

Kaylee Washington I think it was Eliza being strong for Phillip. Because at the beginning she’s freaking out and then she sees Phillip and her attitude does a complete 180.

Let me know if you run into anything.

Same

heh... he’s gonna murder us when we find it.

We must find it

please let someone find this

Honestly same, the fanbase is scary

same I absolutely refused to even listen to it back when it first got popular and it took me years to listen to the songs and now I regret not being into it at the same time as all my friends

Why do you hate the fanbase? Is it because of them shipping the characters in it or something..?

I wonder this movie has slaves songs for a long time

lol you do you, i love the fan base

Hey, it worked for people like Thomas Edison and Walt Disney.

The term you’re looking for is Seinfelding

@@clayflix9569 Where would the Mouse be without Walt's "Nine Old Men"? Where would Edison be without slavery?

@@runtherockies7 While there's no better example than Seinfeld (ten points to Gryffindor), I can't help now but think of Seinfeld's contemporaries that did the same thing: "Frasier," to a point, and "Everybody Loves Raymond." But yes, let us call it Seinfelding; it has a latex salesman/manziere catchy sound to it.

@@clayflix9569 And that Tesla guy

I wish we could go back.

I guess that's one good thing to come out of 2020

@@lonebattledroid4474 None! Yet.

Lone Battle Droid Isn't the live action Mulan supposed to come out this year?

Yup

Yeah, having read Chernow's book I was more often surprised at the accuracy than the inaccuracy. Some of the timeline is shifted to serve the drama, but otherwise you can totally see how Lin-Manuel did his homework. (Also, I'm super tickled to see Edelgard herself commenting on the nature of historical narratives and complex political figures. "Who writes your story," indeed.)

The loosely part probably comes from how historically Hamilton was white

there were alot of key things that were true, but just as many that were wrong, the very personalities of some characters would have never existed back then, the whole schuyler sisters song made it seem as if some kind of equal rights movement was happening then and by then women had absolutely no rights. george washington owned slaves, jefferson, almost every founding father, hamilton never actively talked against slavery to protect his career even though he was against it.

Did everyone else read this with Edelgard's voice and mannerisms? If not I don't think you're doing it right

@@creed8712 what did you mean by this

yes pls watch it its amazing!!!

If it wasn't, this is: you should check out Hadestown.

i love hadestown, definitely recommend it

Hope you do! It's phenomenal, and their Tony's performance last year was stunning and on youtube if you want to see some of it live

Same

Lost 150 pounds Alexander damn he thin

@@argentinaluque9531 Never lost a signal fight Alexander Champion

Cheated on his wife? ALEXANDER HAAAAAMILTON

alexander on a date alexander candle lit

I know I really like having those small audience moments. They weren’t in your face and didn’t overpower the performance but I always like knowing what other people thought of these sort of things so having those reactions was great (especially given theatre is supposed to be live)

I love your pfp bro Twisted is the best musical ever

King George sitting on the sidelines, gleefully dancing to Burr's lines at the start of the Adam's administration segment. Also just the entirety of the duel at the end, the lack of accompaniment lands harder when you've got a stage full of actors.

M Matute Exactly. I’m in my teens and joined the fandom in early 2018, so I was in the demographic you stated. As I got older, I kind of wanted to distance myself from the “fandom” which I view subjectively as “immature” now (because of the shipping, and what not, and the younger fans). I enjoy Hamilton for, not only for the music (which is amazing to say the least), but also the musical as an art form. It has really inspired me in so many ways; in art because of animatics, music, costumes, *history,* and other subjects. And although I love the musical, it doesn’t mean I approve the of the real life Hamilton. I understand that the Hamilton in the musical is just a character and not equivalent to the real life inspiration. I hate when people compare these two things when they aren’t meant to be accurate representations in the first place. I had the same problem with The Greatest Showman. I like the movie and music, and the characters and story are intriguing, but it doesn’t mean I support irl PT Barnum and his exploitation of people.

Sorry my response is so long 😣 I just wanted to share my opinion,

@@silversunset Ah, don't worry mate! It's fine if your response is long, you just wanted to express yourself. I agree with you, shipping in fandoms has gotten incredibly annoying. Have you ever seen She-ra? (The 2018 version) I've seen people literally sending death threats to each other for something as nonsensical as the ship (Catradora) because "It'S aBuSiVe". And don't get me started on the new fans of Hannibal, goddamn Is that a mess. Props to you for taking a step back from the insanity that fandoms are.

Tbh I had a hunch that the loud, immature Twitter crowd would try to cAnCeL Hamilton now that it's out for them to see. Gosh, I despise Twitter. It gives too much importance to the people undeserving of it.

Most of the people trying to cancel hamilton won't get anywhere.

I think the real flex is that you had recess in middle school

@@imdyingfromhype6037 our cafeteria was too small to house everyone for a lunch period, so half of us went outside for recess for one half of the period, then the other half we had lunch lol.

shukezi Daaaamn congrats on the Phillipa thing!! That’s so rad! Also I had a similar thing with my middle school! There was literally like five tables in the cafeteria so everyone but the early birds ate outside sitting on the ground in the Arizona heat. My friend got into a fistfight so we could sit in the shade one time, she didn’t even get sent home or scolded much bc my school literally didn’t care

Yeah, I introduced it to my friends a while ago and got them obsessed and now whenever I say like the word “Burn” they HAVE to sing the whole song. And, “Should we listen to music?” “Sure, could you just play something other than Hamilton for once?” “No.” I’m not completely burned out from it yet, I can still listen to the songs from time to time but it’s annoying when all they listen to is Hamilton. And we barely can’t have a normal conversation without someone accidentally making a Hamilton reference and them putting on music to sing.

That’s my least favorite thing about a good musical. My mom played big river for me and my brother through out elementary school and now I can’t like it as much as I used to

Same. My mom started listening to it when it had just come out. Idk if it was even on broadway at the time because I hadn’t heard anyone say anything bout it. I was in 8th grade and I wanted to die every second. :)

oh my god im not the only one.

seconded with my whole heart!!!!

Please I need it too

i may just be over emotional right now but when he takes about hadestown i wanted to cry because i love hamilton dearly but hadestown is my favorite musical and i would do anything to watch it

YESYESYESYESYESYESYEYSEYES A HUNDRED TIMES YES

Yesss

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@@phroginator you are a saint 🥺🙏🏻

alice That’s piracy??

@@dablackvenom7748 i wont deny that lol

alice that’s also illegal

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@@katies3062 Thank you so much sir!

soap2day, my friend

You're on the internet. You do not have an excuse not to see things you want to see.

@@JayAreAitch oh for sure, I've watched it by now. It's just that at the time I couldn't find an upload of it online

Same lmao

Daveed Diggs tho 👀

@@irlgamergirl ON FIRE 🔥

Philipa Su

I agree Jackson was SOMETHING ELSE WOW

I WAS YOUNGER THAN YOU ARE NOWW

Aww, you beat me to first

Very true

Lmao true

Why did you say that like 17 hours ago

Ikr

Mario Alfredo In my country, there was always Avatar on Netflix though... 🤔

@@silversunset Same here on mine, where are you from?

Well in my country they only have the first three seasons 😭😭😭😭

@@ailemasvega there are only three seasons

@@ailemasvega what are you talking about, there are only 3 seasons.

i keep hearing about that but ive never seen it before. what is "miku binder Hamilton" and wtf is a "miku binder"

TheyKetchup45 just live in blissful ignorance i promise you you’ll be better off not knowing what it means

@@potatsalad1389 another comment told me. You were right, blissful ignorance would've been MUCH better

It's okay. Those are years off the END of your life!

@@theyketchup4544 I kinda want to know now

I don’t understand the genus of that, but I’m stupid when it comes to music theory

@@jkeirejejhehehehe6796 Ditto

@Ribotto Studios please explain

Is the point here just that 7/8 is a tricky time signature?

Mentioning 7/8 time is just how to flex with music theory without knowing about music theory

He IS the show.

The king is the best character in any musical EVER

I have had his first song stuck in my head for the past week now help, ( actually don’t I like it )

;)

WHY

I heard that long before I watched the actual show. To this day that's my go-to official version of the song.

SAME. I was really annoyed during the first five songs, but then I just gave up and tried to enjoy the musical :'D.

yeah same

Omg yeah!! Kinda had this waiting for dialogue moment, then I realized that the movie is about as long as the cast recording lol. But!!! The only dialogue they did have was amazing. The Laurens interlude is so well placed, it kinda gives the effect of the world stopping as Hamilton realizes that his best friend is, well, yknow, then it just fuckin roCKETS into Nonstop. Anywho thank you for coming to my Ted Talk

Same but I was kinda glad and I am pretty sure this is how all Broadway musicals work

@@hussainvirk8598 not really. I saw quite a few, and there was way more dialogue. Hamilton is sort of just like that, with most the show being singing. Its really impressive.

Meeee 😂

I’ve watched it 4 times

🙈🙈🙈

Schaffarillas straight up called me out

*surprised pikachu face*

So first its about celebrating good things that historical figures did, then it's not about history at all and is just a musical? you can't have your cake and eat it too.

@@goldenhorde6944 What I’m saying is that while it’s not completely historically accurate it shows both sides of the founding fathers with historical information that gives us a relative idea of who they were, not just the “they were amazing” side or the” they were horrible” side. They had good and bad, and both history and historical fiction can show this very well, it doesn’t have to be so black and white, good or bad

@@taral.7128 They were slaveowners you apologist, you're just arguing for erasing parts of history we don't like because apparently saying "slavery is bad" is "unbalanced" to you.

@@goldenhorde6944 That is literally none of what I said lmao. Perhaps go back and read what I actually wrote instead of trying to argue with me about something I never said? Clearly you have your opinion and you’re entitled to it, but I ain’t gonna argue with you about something that was never argued in the first place

@@taral.7128 Get your memory checked, your whole argument was that we needed to show "both sides." The bad side there is that they're slaveowners, I'm not going to explain why you can't downplay slavery and act like that's somehow fairer.

Welcome to the club

he was probably one of the less problematic founding fathers tho, still u know by no means was he a good dude

tobias wood for sure

@@monke980 "by no means was he a good dude" Without them, you'd still have slavery.

@@Gevaudan1471 yeah sure, but that doesnt mean he was a completely good man

Agreed

Satisfied though..

The show was filmed from the end of Lin's run. He'd been living with the musical for over 8 years at that point, while the rest of cast was only about a year in. Its not surprising he was a bit burned out and didn't put forward his best performance at that point. Lin was ready to leave. understandably, and it kind of shows.

@@robbybevard8034 idk, I saw him in it July 6 2016 (three days before he left) and he was absolutely on point the entire performance, totally engaged and enthusiastic. maybe he was just giving it his all during his last week but he seemed to be on top of it then

I think you are talking about Michael Luwoye

I saw the Miami production early this year that had Kameron Richardson as Hamilton, and he was phenomenal! Fan or not, I think most people can agree that Lin doesn’t have the best vocal performance.

Lin is a good singer/rapper/performer, maybe even great, but his real genius is as a writer, while the other performers are absolutely incredible, so even though he’s quite good he often seems to fall short compared to them I’ve noticed

Same

Huh......... neat

Sabrexi when I saw Hamilton in San Francisco late summer last year, the person who played Hamilton was very good in the role. I can’t find my playbill from that time, so I don’t know his name

@@dollartreebarbie225 I also got to see Hamilton in SF. I had the privilege to see it twice, once with Julius Thomas III and another with his understudy Deaundre' Woods. Both were fine actors but Julius just shot it out of the park!

miguel cervantes though 👀

When I saw it in NYC, the actor playing Hamilton (Michael Luwoye) said “I’ve been invited to the constitutional convention” with a squeal. It was amazing, and really sold the idea of Hamilton as a young and aspiring politician.

Rachelle Ann Go as Eliza in London's !! She was absolutely incredible, I *adore* Philipa Soo but the performance I saw was out of this world-

I don't understand the stigma against musicals🤷🏽‍♀️ or just plays in general. I loooove theatre

I love Lovecraft's cat

Ventinian me too. What was its name? Could you help jog my memory?

@@marshmallowallen5677 Garfthulu www.reddit.com/r/imsorryjon/comments/h0yy8c/cthulhufiled_or_garfthulhu_cant_decide_d_not_sure/

Reading the Chernow biography, I was surprised that he actually comes across as more unsavory in the musical (while the reverse is true of Burr). He was certainly flawed, but he did seem to have a pretty solid moral compass, as evidenced by his readiness to make political enemies by speaking his mind. Even the dueling, which seems SUPER alien to modern audiences, makes a lot more sense given that, indeed, "most disputes die and no one shoots." It was typically done out of honorable obligation; while Hamilton did express moral qualms regarding the practice, there were public ramifications for avoiding duels, and we all know how jealously protective he was of his reputation. Framing his life as a tragedy necessarily highlights the flaws, because that's how that narrative functions, but I was surprised at how many profoundly admirable moments Chernow recounts that the play didn't even touch on. I think the problem with our desire to neatly place people in "good" and "bad" baskets is that we lose the opportunity to learn from their actual experiences. Even just looking at the play, there is so much truth distilled into it about power and insecurity and risk and imperfection, about how our traumas shape our actions and inactions, about the power of small kindnesses and the mundaneness of great injustices. Lin-Manuel peered back into history and saw himself and people he knew in these figures, and so animated them onstage with a remarkable amount of empathy. The point isn't whether these figures are "too glorified," as if the better version of the play is the one where everyone is profoundly unsympathetic and the audience comes away feeling either defensive ("this was just another anti-American smear campaign!") or smug ("what terrible people! good thing I know better."). The point is to tell this story in a way that resonates with modern audiences and highlights the human connections, both universal and particularly cultural. The point is to see ourselves.

@@RisingSunfish i think he was probably a good person at heart, but the normalities of the time he lived in which we now know as wrong didnt seem that bad to him, well some did obviously, slavery didnt sit well with him but he never spoke against it, but the point is if he had the general mindset of a normal modern person, political stances, social justice and just acted the same he would be gucci

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Agreed, I got excited xD

Not the real Aaron burr obviously.

Political Dood The real one was nuts. After he killed Hamilton he tried to take over Texas and become it’s emporor

@@robbieelko9617 He also let NYC get shitty rancid water from sub-par wooden pipes from the water company he had a big hand in creating so he could make money from its split-off bank (what became Chase Manhattan). According to "Nella Explains a Thing."

haha aaron go brrrr (sorry, i had to)

Robbie Elko dear god he didn’t seem that bad lol

I don't think many writers want to try to make a positive character off of a historical figure who committed genocide.

cassiapeia he doesn’t need to be placed in a positive light

Yeaaaa I think Jackson’s too bad. You need someone like Hamilton or Washington where you can acknowledge both the bad and the good and the fact that they don’t cancel each other out. They don’t cancel out even with people like Jefferson or Jackson, which some people seem to forget, but in my opinion Jackson’s way too far on the bad side

There is Bloody Bloody Andrew Jackson which wildly flails between quite good to "Yikes". It's a weird, weird musical with some decent songs, but again, some really "Yikes" portrayals of Jackson's racism and genocide.

there's Bloody Bloody Andrew Jackson

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Most of know that it’s roughly based off real people, it focuses on Alexander’s story it’s still a great musical! Actually come to thing of a lot of us know it’s not 100% accurate

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That is correct LMAOOOOO

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