Will Paqueta go back to Brazil? Flamengo want Lucas Paqueta on loan from West Ham

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5 күн бұрын

Geo & Gonzo discuss the reports from Fabrizio Romano and others that Brazillian club Flamengo want to sign Lucas Paqueta on loan from West Ham United. Reports suggest the Hammers may sell their Brazil superstar due to the risk of him getting a ban over betting allegations
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@seanmwh
@seanmwh 3 күн бұрын
The F.A are wrecking his career. This needs resolving asap.
@davidclerihew3539
@davidclerihew3539 3 күн бұрын
To be fair, if he did intentionally get bookings then he’s wrecked his career not the F.A. (They are just being as useless & incompetent as always).
@kwhufc5769
@kwhufc5769 3 күн бұрын
I wonder what the fallout and lawsuit will be if hes found innocent.
@seanmwh
@seanmwh 3 күн бұрын
I think everyone is entitled to a fair hearing or trial. I don’t think it was even millions I find it hard to believe he would be interested, but I don’t know the facts.
@dannyboyboar6320
@dannyboyboar6320 3 күн бұрын
@@davidclerihew3539 George Davis is innocent, sorry meant Paqueta
@dannyboyboar6320
@dannyboyboar6320 3 күн бұрын
@@seanmwh totally agree bro,looks innocent as fuck to me
@user-jf1ol6uo5z
@user-jf1ol6uo5z 3 күн бұрын
I am a Flamengo fan. The way I see is very simple. The chances of Paqueta to be found guilty are extremely high. What we don't know is whether he would be banned from the premier league, from european tournaments or from soccer altogether (banned meaning > 5 years suspension). So the hammers will be in a situation that they will have a very expensive player that will not be able to play. My way of thinking is that this is what Flamengo is betting. That an arrangement could be made that he could still be able to play in Brazil. If this can be done, Flamengo would be the only club with the money to buy him (Flamengo just payed 15 million euros cash for DelaCruz so a 20 million offer would be feasible). Unfortunately, for West Ham, they would be in a position that they would either accept what Flamengo would pay or keep a player that cannot play. Another possibility is if he is banned from premier league but not from other European leagues, then the hammers may be able to get a better deal , since teams like Athletico of Madrid, PSG, Bayern Munchen etc. may be able to present higher offers. Up the Irons!
@johnnycunningham3194
@johnnycunningham3194 3 күн бұрын
Whilst I agree there’s still a risk, I don’t see this being a case similar to tonali or Ivan Toney. There is no clear cut evidence that this scandal is true and so it could go either way. Even so, I don’t think there’s any point in West Ham getting a little money now when there is a chance he’s not banned or only banned in the uk. I think if he does get banned in England but not by FIFA, there would be clubs that would pay much more and offer him wages of a much higher amount than Flamengo could ever responsibly afford to.
@DC-uf6ve
@DC-uf6ve 3 күн бұрын
There's no chance he gets banned for any significant length of time. This is a stupid story because they can't afford him and we wont be selling at a big discount. Loan does us no good at all. Crossed wires there's nothing in this.
@johnnycunningham3194
@johnnycunningham3194 3 күн бұрын
@@DC-uf6ve I think max he’d get a 3-year ban due to the lack of clear cut evidence, however I have serious doubts that he will be banned at all given how weak the case seems to be.
@DC-uf6ve
@DC-uf6ve 3 күн бұрын
@@johnnycunningham3194 I think he'll get a short ban or big fine for 'not cooperating' which will just be the FA flexing after failing to get their man.
@ShamrockDan
@ShamrockDan 3 күн бұрын
I reckon if Paqueta got himself a good money speaks all languages lawyer from Man Citeh, he'd not only delay the court trial for 3 years, he'd also turn his alleged betting scandal threat of a lifetime ban into a £100 speeding fine with 3 points on his licence. 🙂👍⚒
@rayburke-xg8yr
@rayburke-xg8yr 3 күн бұрын
No wonder his form dipped at the back end of the season, he must have felt that the Betway ad on his chest said 'Guilty.' You think they would have chosen a different bookie - the mind boggles.
@MrBzlezl
@MrBzlezl 3 күн бұрын
Also I think the loan move would be about getting out of spot light and let him get back mentally
@davidclerihew3539
@davidclerihew3539 3 күн бұрын
The transfer record in Brazilian football is €17.8m so there is no way we’d recoup anything worth while.
@FrancJ5793
@FrancJ5793 3 күн бұрын
Let's not forget people pay Fabrizio Romano for him to tweet stuff
@HammersChat
@HammersChat 3 күн бұрын
His tweet, initially, is just repeating the Brazilian journalist
@edavis6077
@edavis6077 3 күн бұрын
Never gona happen
@jamesgunn7
@jamesgunn7 3 күн бұрын
40m for Max bloody Kilman. Let’s hope he has a Dawson-like impact. 27 and not even in the England discussion
@darrenleelayton6052
@darrenleelayton6052 3 күн бұрын
40mill is just slightly above average for a slightly above average player. Seems logical to me. Every prem player starts at 25-30 mill nowadays.
@jamesgunn7
@jamesgunn7 3 күн бұрын
@@darrenleelayton6052I’m not certain he’s above average. Issue is people didn’t expect anything from Dawson, due to price and age. I will be expecting a similar impact from Kilman, perhaps even more so
@transituk1616
@transituk1616 3 күн бұрын
If we were going to put 40 million on a centre back it should be Todibo. He has had good back to back seasons, and could grow immensely due to his age
@angrygopnik2317
@angrygopnik2317 3 күн бұрын
​@@jamesgunn7if you set expectations like that, you're going to be hugely disappointed...it won't entirely be Kilman's fault that's for sure
@garthodowd6846
@garthodowd6846 3 күн бұрын
No problem 85 million thanx
@danielbibby4843
@danielbibby4843 3 күн бұрын
A maverick attacking midfielder who feels the need to return home for personal reasons, been here before. 😂
@HammersChat
@HammersChat 3 күн бұрын
😂😂😂
@richardjbarlow
@richardjbarlow 3 күн бұрын
Joey beauchamp :)?
@eld460
@eld460 3 күн бұрын
@richardjbarlow I do not want to speak for the OP but I assume they are talking about Payet
@IggyGoesPop666
@IggyGoesPop666 3 күн бұрын
Its all a load of Billy Bull....
@MindOFAlfie
@MindOFAlfie 3 күн бұрын
Have you guys seen the Fabrizio tweet about kilman. Almost here we go
@HammersChat
@HammersChat 3 күн бұрын
Yes mate! You happy with it?
@juhaleppala2934
@juhaleppala2934 3 күн бұрын
Can't wait for our Brazilian connection with Kudus, Irving and Bowen. 😊
@dannyboyboar6320
@dannyboyboar6320 3 күн бұрын
Yep offer accepted by wolves 40 mil plus add on's
@TheReelSB
@TheReelSB 3 күн бұрын
From City to Flamengo. What a difference a year makes.
@audialiastt2601
@audialiastt2601 3 күн бұрын
The question on my lips is, what will Lucas do when found NOT guilty. Will he rinse the Fa for damages.
@neilchapman9266
@neilchapman9266 3 күн бұрын
I cant see any Brazilian team having the money to sign him. Why would we let him go on loan when we can utilise him ourselves.
@martinhowes3578
@martinhowes3578 3 күн бұрын
At the end of the day at the press conference the words that were said were They are looking forward to Lucas coming back as he's a very important player for the team. End of
@johnnycunningham3194
@johnnycunningham3194 3 күн бұрын
I would have been relatively happy with Kilman at 40mil, if we hadn’t bid Todibo and seemed in with a chance of getting him at a similar price. I think pedigree counts for something and although I expect Kilman to be a leader and help the team, Todibo is a player like Kudus where within a season I could see him being a 65-80 million type player if he can prove it in the prem.
@audialiastt2601
@audialiastt2601 3 күн бұрын
Geo, your point bout, "what Lucas wants" is a V good one. I'd be F'd off with the FA's establishment too😔😔
@kellsyone
@kellsyone 3 күн бұрын
Can’t see that happening at all 🤣🤣🤣
@hammerhead499
@hammerhead499 3 күн бұрын
No no they don’t the inquiry is over 6 months old
@HammersChat
@HammersChat 3 күн бұрын
Depends who you believe.
@mcollingwood6356
@mcollingwood6356 3 күн бұрын
The only potential benefit I can see is if he is only banned in England for a year, then he maintains match fitness by playing elsewhere. I don't see us pursuing this. Even if he's found guilty there'll likely be an appeal and he'll be able to play until that's heard and decided
@neilchapman9266
@neilchapman9266 3 күн бұрын
Bans are worldwide not just in specific countries. My father had a worldwide ban in the 1950's for attempting to drown a ref on a flooded pitch. Bans are bans
@jamesrose-cr9wd
@jamesrose-cr9wd 3 күн бұрын
Wouldn't bother me if L. P. went, after all their all theatrical over there!! No player is bigger than the club.
@118dan247
@118dan247 3 күн бұрын
This only happens to us...im fuming
@steveanderson1089
@steveanderson1089 3 күн бұрын
He goes if they pay what we want, let's be honest we never expected to have him last season, he should have been a Man City player by now, with the charges still hanging over him I honestly think if we can get our money back, if that be cash or players and cash think personally it would be a offer hard to turn down, 100% not a loan though, can't see anyway they could afford all his wages.
@HammersChat
@HammersChat 3 күн бұрын
Agree tbh, £40m ish and I’d be okay, would completely understand it from the clubs perspective
@geewong4801
@geewong4801 3 күн бұрын
Could Lucas be wanting to be back in Brazil and Steidten is going on the charm offensive to persuade and put pressure on him to stay?
@HammersChat
@HammersChat 3 күн бұрын
Possible, am intrigued as to what Paqueta may say over the links
@richardjbarlow
@richardjbarlow 3 күн бұрын
Maybe we should take 30-40 million and a sell on fee. If he is innocent and gets sold later then we can recoup the funds.
@ep1phany62
@ep1phany62 3 күн бұрын
What I can’t believe is it was like a year ago when the FA played the same trick and halted the Paqueta deal with City. Then they did nothing. And then they’ve done it again, and they are doing nothing. Either charge him, or stop pursuing the case. It’s the same as the Man City charges. The FA are useless!
@HammersChat
@HammersChat 3 күн бұрын
They have charged him.
@DC-uf6ve
@DC-uf6ve 3 күн бұрын
This one is a solid 10000 on the poppycockomometer. Absurd story. Even if he wants to go back to Brazil it ain't happening, I'd quite like to be hanging out the back of Margot Robbie but I'm realistic enough to know this is an extremely unlikely event.
@RobCherry-hx4fb
@RobCherry-hx4fb 3 күн бұрын
Maybe money plus a couple of half decent up and coming players ?
@barrygyles2211
@barrygyles2211 3 күн бұрын
Are there players that we could take plus some cash?
@ryanlee.3913
@ryanlee.3913 3 күн бұрын
Ain’t we after a couple of players they have? Some cash and a swapsy could be good all round
@paul2524
@paul2524 3 күн бұрын
if the powers that be know Paqs is due a ban, then loaning him out whilst the ban is in effect is a good idea, and then bring him back when the ban finishes
@ironix1
@ironix1 3 күн бұрын
But we all know he ain't going anywhere!
@raysalter9325
@raysalter9325 3 күн бұрын
They couldn't afford him
@geewong4801
@geewong4801 3 күн бұрын
We sell to the highest/only bidder in the past. Payet, Anderson etc
@scotthaxell556
@scotthaxell556 3 күн бұрын
This boy is innocent the FA had to act they are a government body in football it is the betting firm that will be sued once the FA find him not guilty He was born on the Ireland and was known by everyone their if he wasn’t playing football he was frightening , all residence watch him play football and knew how predictable we was yes switch if you removed that he would be the best player in the world. You only have to ask the Brazilian manager.all bets were made and they took the money of them he gets a yellow card and they win well done to them for betting on someone they know and he would never put his place on Brazilian team in jeopardy never he loves his country I feel so sorry for his family.❤🙏🏽
@davidtrevitt9753
@davidtrevitt9753 3 күн бұрын
Apparently wolves have accepted new kilman offer
@grelch
@grelch 3 күн бұрын
As a side note, Brazil has a ‘no extradition’ of its own citizens to other countries policy. Just sayin’. A as another aside, I think I’m OK with Lucas leaving. I certainly wouldn’t cry in my cereal, either mercurial player, and on his day he’s a fantastic boost to the side. But, when he’s not in the mood, he’s a big weight around the team’s neck. And let’s face it, he’s not in the mood almost as frequently as he is in the mood. Plus, we have to shift players out of their best positions to accommodate him. Not saying I want him to go. I love watching him play and I’d love for him to find a spot in Lope’s side, especially if our other stars don’t have to switch positions to accommodate him. All I’m saying is I don’t think it’s the end of the world if Lucas has to go.
@peterjones2903
@peterjones2903 3 күн бұрын
I think we should believe this rumour regarding PAQUETa,,, Because it’s not one of David Sullivan‘s miss information conduits
@rogeriopenna9014
@rogeriopenna9014 2 күн бұрын
for how long has Paquetá been playing for West Ham? Isn´t it time West Ham fans learned to pronounce Paquetá? That little sign over the A indicates the stressed syllable. "pah-keh-TAH". Try to rhime with "spa".
@davidt9537
@davidt9537 3 күн бұрын
He won't take a pay cut
@kellsyone
@kellsyone 3 күн бұрын
Wolves have excepted kilman offer 🎉
@HammersChat
@HammersChat 3 күн бұрын
You happy with it?
@DagenhamOutlet
@DagenhamOutlet 3 күн бұрын
@@HammersChat No
@HammersChat
@HammersChat 3 күн бұрын
@@DagenhamOutlet cos of the price, the player, all of it?
@obsidiancurse429
@obsidiancurse429 3 күн бұрын
What happens to the FA charge if we sell him now? Can they trial him in his absence or do they lose all jurisdiction and it would be down to the Brazilian FA ? They have already cleared him. Could this be a way to get away from the charges? We sell for 20mil and/or players but with a 50% sell on clause, next season Flamengo sell him to Spain or Germany for 50mil.
@HammersChat
@HammersChat 3 күн бұрын
They can charge him and ban him but the ban is only applicable to English FA games however they can request FIFA pursue a ban worldwide
@obsidiancurse429
@obsidiancurse429 3 күн бұрын
@@HammersChat so even if he never comes back to the UK and his registration is held by a different authority the FA can still trail him in his absence? That sucks, was hoping he could do a Ronnie Biggs and he couldn’t be tried unless he came back under FA jurisdiction.
@HammersChat
@HammersChat 2 күн бұрын
I’d imagine so. In all honesty am unsure but FA may pursue it via FIFA in that case.
@RICARTYify
@RICARTYify Күн бұрын
This Flamengo has the money to buy the whole of West Ham, they just aren't stupid enough to spend money anywhere, as Flamengo itself reveals super expensive and talented players.
@marckfla
@marckfla 3 күн бұрын
SILENCE, THIS IS FLAMENGO 🔴⚫🔴⚫🔴⚫🔴⚫
@rogeriopenna9014
@rogeriopenna9014 2 күн бұрын
I am a little dubious it was really a betting scam. Paquetá has an HISTORY of taking idiotic yellow cards. Just see his matches for Brazil in the Copa America. Anyway, as a Grêmio fan, I hope Flamengo doesn´t close the deal. Or they spend a lot of money hoping to have Paquetá for at least 2 years while he is on trial in the International Swiss Court of Sports.... but then he gets judged at Switzerland in record time lol. And Flamengo loses the money
@devo7079
@devo7079 3 күн бұрын
Betway grasses. They should look at themselves, not paying out bets. Grasses
@garrycrawford4746
@garrycrawford4746 3 күн бұрын
The bid as been accepted for max kilman nearly 40 million darmesh sky sports
@HammersChat
@HammersChat 3 күн бұрын
You happy with it?
@garrycrawford4746
@garrycrawford4746 3 күн бұрын
Yes because our manager wanted him a bit to much money but aslong as we have money for our other targets I'm happy
@HammersChat
@HammersChat 3 күн бұрын
@@garrycrawford4746 same thoughts as myself Garry, very pricey but Lopetegui clearly wants him a LOT and wouldn’t be surprised if he becomes skipper, we will see
@rogercooke4589
@rogercooke4589 3 күн бұрын
​@@garrycrawford4746I thought Steidten was in charge of player recruitment? This is just a repeat of the mistakes we made with the last bloke in charge
@SCoeSimRacing
@SCoeSimRacing 3 күн бұрын
And we would all like to sign haaland too
@rowleybirkin3093
@rowleybirkin3093 3 күн бұрын
C&H “top source” says that this is bollocks.
@rogercooke4589
@rogercooke4589 3 күн бұрын
The Paqueta news and the whole of the football world laughing at us for paying 40 million for Max Kilman,might be time to start panicking 😂
@MrBzlezl
@MrBzlezl 3 күн бұрын
Personally I think if hes found guilty the world wide ban should only be from top leagues and let him play in lower leagues that would be punishment enough I think but I don't believe the charges
@jamienorwood6855
@jamienorwood6855 3 күн бұрын
Paqueta starting for Dagenham & Redbridge, class.
@MrBzlezl
@MrBzlezl 3 күн бұрын
@@jamienorwood6855 was just saying I don't think even if guilty he deserves a world wide ban maybe if they are that intent just ban him from top league football let him still play, but yeah would be funny right
@jamienorwood6855
@jamienorwood6855 3 күн бұрын
@MrBzlezl Oh definitely ha I'd imagine if he's guilty he will get a complete ban from football and will probably end his career. These decisions seem to drag on though, look at City's 115 charges still nothing done
@jamienorwood6855
@jamienorwood6855 3 күн бұрын
We'll probably sell him to Flamengo, he'll get banned, then Flamengo will sue us. Irons.
@audialiastt2601
@audialiastt2601 3 күн бұрын
Geo, this "loan" topic is sooooooooo laughable....... Only a child would worry bout this no "story"! 😂😂Imo
@dannybase2433
@dannybase2433 3 күн бұрын
West Ham United Absolute joke, 40 million for Max Kilman?an overrated, overvalued and pretty average player, complete waste of money !!!
@davidt9537
@davidt9537 3 күн бұрын
If they want him, then we cherry pick flamenco's best 3 players for 85 million
@davidclerihew3539
@davidclerihew3539 3 күн бұрын
You’d get their best 3 players for £30m & none of them would get in our team.
@davidt9537
@davidt9537 3 күн бұрын
@davidclerihew3539 Good shout, I didn't know they were that bad
@DresdenShuffle
@DresdenShuffle 3 күн бұрын
They should sell him, FA wouldn’t press ahead if they didn’t have proof. He’s not worth the risk of him being found guilty and selling him for nothing. If you sell him now there’s a chance a Saudi club might come in and buy him.
@HammersChat
@HammersChat 3 күн бұрын
How much would you accept? Or just whatever you can get?
@DresdenShuffle
@DresdenShuffle 3 күн бұрын
Whatever the club thinks is a good price is fine by me.
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