Hammock Insulation and a Thermal Camera

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Hammock Insulation and a Thermal Camera

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Bunny_Foo and I took a hammock out and a handful of different hammock under insulation in 33*F weather to see how each performed under a thermal camera.
The rating for each insulation is the comfort rating provided by Bunny_Foo.
PDF report for all the tests can be downloaded from goo.gl/awWveY.
The raw thermal images can be downloaded from goo.gl/APXp3n.
Please apply the pause button liberally to view the slides as the video moves along pretty quickly (the "K" button on your keyboard will pause the video if you're viewing on a desktop).
The thermal videos were taken using a dynamic temperature scale. The still thermal images with temperature points have been normalized to the same temp scale. The still images can be compared 1:1.
If you've got suggestions for other insulation tests please let us know and we'll do our best to test it out.
I really hope ya'll like the video - it took us a couple of weekends to get the proper footage for the video and the PDF report. I hope it's entertaining / helpful. Happy trails!
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@TheOlsonOutfit 2 жыл бұрын

This is a great idea!

@guyhays3432 6 жыл бұрын

For people not familiar with the way your equipment presents the info and explanation of what we are seeing would be great.

@guyhays3432 6 жыл бұрын

An for and.

@FatherGoat 6 жыл бұрын

Good call, Guy. There is definitely an assumed level of familiarity with much of the gear. I'll add the suggestion to the follow up video. Happy Trails!

@usadave 6 жыл бұрын

I've watched a lot of hammock videos but this one's a first and freaking genius. Entertaining and useful but perhaps not exactly accurate. Wished I'd thought of it myself

@FatherGoat 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks again, David, I appreciate the extremely kind words. I've got a laundry list of changes to make to the next round of testing to make it a bit more accurate/scientific/objective. There are some logistical challenges involved I haven't yet solved so it's taking a bit longer than I'd like to get the follow up filmed. Until then... happy trails!

@johnellis4129 6 жыл бұрын

Here's a suggestion for next time. Place three 6"x6" squares of masking tape on the "insulator" and have a similar sized piece mounted above the hammock behind it on a 2"x4" for a better gauge of the actual temperatures. The masking tape will give you similar base lines for the spot temps and it is often used by thermographers for reading the temps due to it's emissivity rating being closer to a value of one (0.92 I think off the top of my head). Shiny things such as sheen of fabric will lie to you on the temps. Additionally, since the hammock offers no insulative value it is possible to see through it thermally and the thermal reflections of people or other living things surrounding the hammock to show up on the temperature readings due to the reflectix material. It's just like looking through a trash bag placed in front of a mirror with your FLIR and seeing everything beyond the plastic clearly but having a mirror show your thermal reflection in it back at you. An accurate reading of the mirror would be impossible without some masking tape and you leaving the room. Lastly, this video should be done at night for the thermal part due to the solar flooding effect on the area that is diffused through the tree limbs possibly causing the temps to differ slightly. I have to do all of my rooftop shots because of this. Great video and very entertaining.

@FatherGoat 6 жыл бұрын

John - those are great ideas - thank you! I especially like the masking tape suggestion. Seems like a solid way to get true temperature numbers. Filming at night might be troublesome but I'll add that to my list of logistical challenges for version 2. Thanks again and happy trails!

@johnellis4129 6 жыл бұрын

You can film part one of the video during the day showing the items and part two at night since thermal cameras don't need light to see. Also, since most people are concerned mostly with the nightly temps it would perhaps be closer to what the viewer is most likely looking for.

@TimWatsonOutdoors 8 жыл бұрын

Lol, that was hilarious and informative. Subbed! Always love supporting fellow hammockers.

@FatherGoat 8 жыл бұрын

+Tim Watson Glad you liked it, and thanks a lot man - it's much appreciated.

@JustinRCutler 8 жыл бұрын

You might want to do this again, but show the bottom of the hammock instead of the side.

@FatherGoat 8 жыл бұрын

+Justin R. Cutler You're absolutely correct. I attempted for this video but logistically it is challenging. Hanging at a normal height doesn't allow enough room to get under the hammock to frame a proper, reproduce-able shot. Hanging much higher than normal and it's difficult to get in or out of the hammock. I'd like to redo the test indoors so I could get the lower angle shot - I think this would make a high hang a bit more feasible than out in the woods.

@TimoGoesKnots 5 жыл бұрын

Father Goat use a mirror.

@RS-rw5zp 6 жыл бұрын

Great information, very useful. It would have been good to have several components used together to see what 'real world ' application would look like for below freezing temps.

@jayhouston1614 5 жыл бұрын

Great stuff! Thanks

@FatherGoat 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot, James - I appreciate the support!

@sam-southafricanman8610 7 жыл бұрын

Fantastic video.

@FatherGoat 7 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot SAM. I've got a few more thermal videos planned but life seems to keep getting in the way. I'm hoping to have another out shortly - stay tuned!

@arrendaled 5 жыл бұрын

Great video! Very instructive. Did you try combinations of insulation, uq with pad, pad with hammock? Might help noobs like me consider the best jump off point to begin.

@FatherGoat 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the kind words. We didn't try those combinations on this test but I'll jot them down for the next one. Happy Trails!

@michaelkahl8619 8 жыл бұрын

I'm enjoying your vids! just subscribed and waiting for more. keep safe and greetings from Germany Munich! Mike

@FatherGoat 8 жыл бұрын

+michael kahl Glad you are enjoying the videos and thank you for the kind words. I've got plenty more filming complete - now I must spend time editing them so I can post.

@michaelkahl8619 8 жыл бұрын

+Father Goat hope to see :-)

@rainmaker4469 5 жыл бұрын

Useful

@BosomBuddyCreations 5 жыл бұрын

So maybe I misunderstood how this works. Is this showing how much heat is LOST through the underquilt, or how much heat is RETAINED by the underquilt?

@FatherGoat 5 жыл бұрын

The thermal camera sees the heat that escaped the hammock and the insulation being used in each test.

@ChesapeakeHammockandOutdoors 6 жыл бұрын

Testing with an underquilt protector, UQ w/UQP with and w/o tarp, UQ + UQP + tarp pitched tight vs high/porch mode , adding a TQ, different clothing weights.... Just a few ideas. Great vid! I'd love to see how my new HG -10° set looks on thermal !

@FatherGoat 6 жыл бұрын

+Chesapeake Hammock and Outdoors All great ideas - I now have a hammock sock / UQ protector so these will surely make round 2. I bet that 10 degree quilt set would look mighty nice under the thermal camera! Happy Trails!

@ChesapeakeHammockandOutdoors 6 жыл бұрын

Father Goat Cool, I'll make sure to check the next one out too then. I def notice a difference with my Warbonnet XL sock or winter cover + 2QZQ UQP on my XLC than without, should look neat on that camera. Love my HG quilts too! I did -1° with my old 0° set and the digital thermometer inside read 87° , I can only imagine how warm this new minus 10° set is gonna be.

@djdnl 4 жыл бұрын

Awesome idea! If someone know how to do this test perfectly let me know. I have a more prof flir cam and I can show cold spots as well. Only I don';t own UQs lol

@NorthCountryOutdoorGuys 7 жыл бұрын

Very cool. Like others have mentioned it’s the internal temps inside the hammock we’re interested in. I’d wonder what would happen if you had a top cover on the hammock and maybe a tarp? The trapped heat would probably make the whole hammock orange. Very neat hardware. I hope you do more testing.

@FatherGoat 7 жыл бұрын

Thanks guys. We'll definitely get some temperature reading from within the hammock on future tests. The problem has been one of logistics - I haven't found a great/safe way to hang the hammock high enough to capture thermals from below while at the same time allowing safe entry and exit from the hammock. I've got a list of suggestions from KZfaq and Reddit ready to go once I figure out how/where to hang for tests v2. Thanks for swinging by, Happy Trails!

@claycalvert4254 6 жыл бұрын

This test was a great idea and thank you for posting it. However, I don't want to be 'that guy' but, it looks like we are seeing not just Bunny_Foo's body heat but also warmth from the Sun on the outside of the hammock & underquilts. Note at 3:47 the tree's shadow covering where his legs would be in the hammock and then again at 3:49. There seems to be some reflected radiation. Also note that the brightest spot in 3:49 is the location directly aimed at the Sun. As you've already stated, it would be great to see this test done again inside, and ideally with any HVAC turned off and maybe just use LED lighting to minimize thermal influences external to the hammock/UQs. Thank you again.

@FatherGoat 6 жыл бұрын

+Clay Calvert Thank you Clay, and great suggestions. It's been an issue of logistics getting test #2 filmed, but I'll be sure to add these to the list. Happy Trails

@zulu5oscar765 6 жыл бұрын

Very cool.

@FatherGoat 6 жыл бұрын

Zulu 5 Oscar Thanks a lot Z5O!

@zulu5oscar765 6 жыл бұрын

Father Goat you're welcome

@stoneyrunva 6 жыл бұрын

Wifi thermometer between subjects rearend and hammock

@FatherGoat 6 жыл бұрын

Scrambled eggs and bacon

@joevogle 5 жыл бұрын

Take the readings from the bottom of the hammock not the side. That's where it counts. Thanks.

@iiatargetanalyst3046 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for tip

@FatherGoat 6 жыл бұрын

+Kade Hettrich I'm glad you found some useful info - stay warm out there!

@armandoveloz5644 6 жыл бұрын

Wonder how all the costco diy's would hold up

@FatherGoat 6 жыл бұрын

+Armando Veloz That's an excellent question. I'd check it out but there aren't any Costcos within a few hundred miles of where I live.

@otway00 8 жыл бұрын

That was interesting to watch. So whats your take on the results ?

@FatherGoat 8 жыл бұрын

+Greg Wheat ... that sometimes you really do get what you pay for. The performance in the insulation scaled almost linearly with price. We tried our best here to be objective with our tests but ultimately there will always be an amount of subjectivity to warmth and comfort. The HammockGear down quilts were far and away the more expensive ways to keep warm but the experience hanging with them is also on a different level than the pads/bags.

@otway00 8 жыл бұрын

I use UQs with my hammocks as they work better than the pads I first used and are far more comfortable to use.

@FatherGoat 8 жыл бұрын

+Greg Wheat I couldn't agree more. Once you make the switch there's no turning back.

@3nertia 7 жыл бұрын

Should've put the camera inside the hammock :D

@FatherGoat 7 жыл бұрын

+3nertia Definitely should have quantified the "comfort" ratings with proper data. I've heard a few suggestions of using a thermometer to measure inner quilt temps but a few spot checks with the thermal camera would do it too. Happy trails