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Hammock Suspension Options: The Becket Hitch... and what happens when you shock load it!
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6 жыл бұрынI've been experimenting with a few different types of suspension and I've liked using the Becket Hitch. It doesn't need any hardware and it’s easy to tie. However, it can be difficult to untie once it’s loaded. We'll go over this knot using a couple different types of webbing and check out the results.
Also, while testing out this knot, I shock loaded the system and was surprised with what happened...
IMPORTANT NOTE
The carabiner I used with the flat webbing was not a rated carabiner. Any carabiner used as part of a hammock suspension should be tested to ensure it will support the weight and forces it could be subjected to.
*** The content in this video is for entertainment purposes only. Please use the information presented as a tool, but always test out any system personally before you use it.
Gear used in this video:
1/2 inch mule tape:
www.antigravit...
Dutchware spider web 2.0 webbing:
dutchwaregear....
dutchware 1 inch nylon flat webbing:
dutchwaregear....
1 inch nylon webbing:
purchased at REI
@kevinw6726 4 жыл бұрын
Great video. Thanks for showing possible hazards with the Becket.
@TripleNickelOutdoors 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! Hope you found it informative!
@matthewholliman1399 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video. Learned a way to tie the becket knot more securely.
@TripleNickelOutdoors 4 жыл бұрын
I’m glad it helped out! Happy hanging!!
@slice9366 6 жыл бұрын
Great video. A must see for folks thinking about using the becket hitch. I'm still going to use it I'm just going to use 1 inch webbing vs mule tape
@TripleNickelOutdoors 6 жыл бұрын
Brandon J another viewer commented about using 3/4 mule tape instead of the 1/2 inch. After this test I didn’t like its abrasion resistance in addition to how easily it slipped when loaded. Webbing with the becket hitch seems to be the way to go. So many options!! Lol Good luck out there!!
@jlhgrace8284 Жыл бұрын
Dynema Webbing is the way to go; not mule tape. Maybe the 3/4" is working better than the 1/2".
@Gingererer 3 жыл бұрын
I gave up using slippery webbing with the becket hitch. It’s come loose a few times too many. Thankfully it was in my yard over grass and not on some mountain over some rocks. Now I stick with the spider/poly 1.0 webbing from Dutch.
@TripleNickelOutdoors 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve been using titanium cinch buckles in recent trips. Easy set up and no fear of slippage. 🤞👍
@coughingowloutdoors8579 6 жыл бұрын
Very instructive video and as you mentioned, really drives home the importance of testing your gear before getting out on the trail. With so many suspension options available, it's always a great idea to have tested options available to fit the current conditions. Good camera positioning and the audio was crystal clear. Happy trails and thanks for sharing.
@TripleNickelOutdoors 6 жыл бұрын
Coughing Owl Outdoors my thoughts exactly!! You get to make sure it works, or doesn’t, and you get to mess around with it more too!! Thanks for the comment!!
@geneo3654 5 жыл бұрын
Never did like the idea of using mule tape , I'll stick to woopie slings to tree straps with the toggles !!
@TripleNickelOutdoors 5 жыл бұрын
Yup, I’m not using mule tape either. I’ll stick with my Venom Webbing!
@ESSSSSGEEEE Жыл бұрын
Imho Becket Hitch is no bueno. Thank you for this, very well done!
@FrankZoldak 3 жыл бұрын
Just bought dynaweave straps with whoopies and was gonna do knots. I'm 260lbs I'm getting fish hooks after watching this lol. Thx!
@123bambam4 4 жыл бұрын
I feel like I'm be chastised when watching your content. Btw you're very helpful and rather informative.
@TripleNickelOutdoors 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the compliment!!
@Simon-80 Жыл бұрын
You have to do the second wrap on the inside of the Loop too
@robertrios6649 Жыл бұрын
The results were surprising. Thank you!
@errolflynn7723 6 жыл бұрын
Great video man, awesome that you tested this out and it did cost you some money also. Hopefully it'll save others money in the future. Maybe if you give dutch a call he'll replace some stuff for you and share the video also because this information needs to be out there.
@TripleNickelOutdoors 6 жыл бұрын
Errol Flynn the only thing damaged was the mule tape (Antigravitygear) and my CL (Dream Hammock) so no big deal. I fixed it up right after! I think the biggest lesson to take away is to be cautious using mule tape. I still use the Becket Hitch on other materials, but I don’t think I’ll take the chance with mule tape again. There are other options available that I feel more comfortable using. Thanks for the comment! Feel free to share the vid!
@nathansharp3193 4 жыл бұрын
People say to run the treestraps straight-ish through the loop or hardware, as you do in this video. But in this video you can clearly see why I always put it at the midpoint of the tree, at the shortest distance to my hammock. That's where the connection wants to be. I've tried doing it the recommended way (the way you do in the video) and always get 'creep' and ending up getting a bad night's sleep after my suspension settles into where it wants to be. I also imagine the abrasion of the tree bark on the strap when the slippage occurs is equally bad, if not worse, than having a bend in my strap where it wants to settle to and will eventually end up at. Am I wrong about this? It seems like everyone recommends a straight-ish strap, but it has never worked for me when I've tried it. I've also never had any failures doing it 'my way.' I'm not trying to be critical, just trying to learn something that puzzles me. 👍
@TripleNickelOutdoors 4 жыл бұрын
I don’t think either way is an issue. The problem comes if the strap is run through the connection on the opposite size of the tree and had to make a hard bend back. Then there’s a lot of excess stress and tension on the connection point. You’re good! Thanks for the comment! Nick
@hanelyp1 Жыл бұрын
I noted the same with the treestraps, they want to settle on equal angles between the 3 sides of the junction. Anything else will be prone to shift with bouncing. And when shifting allow more energy in the shock load when it settles.
@lancerudy9934 2 жыл бұрын
Great video
@j.d.willson4529 6 жыл бұрын
I trust mule tape but I also use a marlin hitch. Good video!
@TripleNickelOutdoors 6 жыл бұрын
J.d. Willson I still trust this setup. It’s good to be aware of what could possibly happen. Best to ease into your hammock instead of bouncing around! Lol
@alexmcneily 2 ай бұрын
Marlin spike hitch way easier to untie. Just put the load on the knot and not the spike.
@rickwebermusic 5 жыл бұрын
I like Jeff Myers' trick of larksheading a small loop of Zing-It to the apex of the CL. After loading, you simply pull the loop upwards toward the tree, and it creates just enough separation between the CL and the knot to allow the Becket hitch to release more easily.
@TripleNickelOutdoors 5 жыл бұрын
rweb82 that’s a good idea. I’ve since started using the Venom Webbing from Ripstop by the Roll, and it’s been pretty easy to unload the knot. I have noticed that certain material are harder to untie than other so that trick is good to keep in mind! Thanks!
@rickwebermusic 5 жыл бұрын
I just ordered Dutch's UHMWPE straps for a becket hitch setup last night. I believe they're very similar to RSBTR's Venom straps (both are UHMWPE). Glad to hear they release more easily than the poly straps.
@TripleNickelOutdoors 5 жыл бұрын
rweb82 I’m pretty sure they’re similar. The Venom Straps are black and Dutch’s are white. I haven’t had an issue with them slipping which is why I’m sticking with them over trying other straps (such as the 1.5 Spider webbing). Let me know what you think of the ones from Dutchware!
@rickwebermusic 5 жыл бұрын
I'll report back after I've used them. I have a trip coming up in a couple weeks, so they'll get some good use.
@TripleNickelOutdoors 5 жыл бұрын
rweb82 you might notice they bunch up pretty easily. I just run my thumb down the middle and they regain their shape. That’s one con to the straps but I’ll deal with it because they’re so darn light!! Lol Have a good trip!
@LicWalter 5 жыл бұрын
great video buddy, have a new subscriber from Argentina!!
@TripleNickelOutdoors 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! I think it’s so cool to be able to connect with people internationally! Be good! Nick
@Dogsdoodas 2 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed your style and info
@mudbone7706 3 жыл бұрын
Nick, have you found any ultralight hammock straps that can be used with marlin spike hitch that actually stay flat (don't fold/crease)?
@TripleNickelOutdoors 3 жыл бұрын
I don’t use the marlin spike hitch for my regular setup, so I’m not quite sure which material would be best. Obviously, the thinner webbing tends to crease easier than a thicker webbing. A good compromise may be the poly/spider webbing from Dutchware. Hope this helps. Nick
@toto29er 3 жыл бұрын
H there, nice videos, keep them coming. Do you recommend using spider web with a toggle and use that toggle to attach the continuous loop? When I tie my spider web to the continuous loop using a becket hitch it is very difficult to untie:..any suggestions?
@TripleNickelOutdoors 3 жыл бұрын
You can definitely use a toggle with a marlin spike hitch. Just make sure that when you put the continuous loop over the toggle, that the CL is resting on the knot and not the toggle. Enjoy! Nick
@toto29er 3 жыл бұрын
Triple Nickel Outdoors thanks for your prompt answer
@peterbrennan4242 5 жыл бұрын
Fuck it...I'm buying a tent.
@jean-marcv.19 6 жыл бұрын
Interesting...
@Kenbur 3 жыл бұрын
thank you great info to have
@TripleNickelOutdoors 3 жыл бұрын
I’m glad you found it informative!
@TwistedMinded 6 жыл бұрын
Triple nickel , I Also had this happen, glad you caught that on camera . So is this enough to steer you away from mule tap
@TripleNickelOutdoors 6 жыл бұрын
Mark Hilsee I’ve used the mule tape suspension for about 6 months and I’ve never had an issue... I also have never shock loaded it like I did in the video. Lol. So this experience didn’t scare me off completely. Haha! I’ll tell you what I was really impressed with... was that the Whoopie sling suspension was subjected to ALL of the shock loading of that video and it didn’t show any signs of wear. I’m leaning towards the Whoopie’s as my main suspension, but I’m glad I have the knowledge of the becket hitch if I ever get jammed up and need to use it! Thanks for the comment!
@cassandralesh8536 3 жыл бұрын
In boy scouts we call that a slippery half hitch tied on a bite
@user-ym6lc7pk1e 6 жыл бұрын
That was eye opening for sure. I was just about looking at 1/2’’ mule tape as an alternative suspension. Question for you. Do you carry extra suspension with you on a trail in case just like this when you main suspension fails? Amsteel is light enough to have additional whoopie sling for insurance.
@TripleNickelOutdoors 6 жыл бұрын
Dima Habenko that’s a good idea to have another line just in case. I don’t carry anything extra as far as suspension goes. My webbing is 7 feet long and the mule tape straps are 12 feet. I probably lost around 2-3 feet when the suspension failed, so if this happened out in the field, I would’ve just used the remaining 8-10 feet and attached that to the webbing. My bigger concern was if it melted through my continuous loop. Now that would’ve needed some out of the box thinking!! Lol
@JasperJanssen 4 жыл бұрын
That’s only a little bit of shock loading - the mule tape must be really close to the edge under normal circumstances.
@TripleNickelOutdoors 4 жыл бұрын
With all the different suspension options out there, mule tape isn’t one that I would recommend. Especially after seeing what could happen under some minimal stress.
@flytuc1 6 жыл бұрын
What loop knot did you use for the strap going around tree?
@TripleNickelOutdoors 6 жыл бұрын
flytuc1 the webbing has a three inch loop sewn into it, then I primarily use a Dutch clip from dutchweargear.
@flytuc1 6 жыл бұрын
No I mean the one where you tied a loop knot in the one with the black strap and then went around tree
@TripleNickelOutdoors 6 жыл бұрын
flytuc1 oh yeah, I used a figure eight on a bight. It’s harder to dress the knot using webbing but does the same function. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ipqFm7N4qJfDc5c.html
@JasperJanssen 4 жыл бұрын
Triple Nickel Outdoors why not a bowline? Don’t get me wrong, figure eights or even overhand knots in a bight are kind of my go to for at least lightly loaded applications but I wouldn’t think this qualified as lightly loaded.
@TripleNickelOutdoors 4 жыл бұрын
I’m a fan of the figure 8 family, but a bowline would definitely work!
@riftvallance2087 2 жыл бұрын
Didn't exactly sell me on the method.
@champ1177 6 жыл бұрын
can you do a review on that jacket
@TripleNickelOutdoors 6 жыл бұрын
Dudedet 100%. And I’ll jump on it just for you!
@champ1177 6 жыл бұрын
Triple Nickel Outdoors no can you actually just review it
@richardreed6249 2 жыл бұрын
Not going to use mule tape, that stuff was useless. Plus, I will make a note to never use a becket hitch.
@testbed5290 6 жыл бұрын
You use muletape on muletape. Just put a continous loop of muletape then beckitt it.
@TripleNickelOutdoors 6 жыл бұрын
The only thing that may be a concern is the abrasion resistance of that material if it does slip. It doesn’t look like it handles friction well. Be good!
@testbed5290 6 жыл бұрын
Triple Nickel Outdoors they will wear evenly. Looks like the mule tape is more agressive on dyneema
@TripleNickelOutdoors 6 жыл бұрын
Test Bed yeah, that’s been my experience. Plus, I’m a bigger guy (225 lbs.) so I’m aware that I’m putting more stress on whatever suspension I’m using. Another viewer commented about using 3/4” muletape instead of the 1/2”. Seems like a small weight penalty and could provide more stability....
@mikecurtis1111 6 жыл бұрын
Pretty good demonstration. I have recently moved to 3/4" mule tape with continuous loop, and haven't experienced any unusual wear, but I have never bounced in my hammock to test it either. I always try to get in and out of my hammock as gingerly as possible, simply because I don't want to damage my hammock or suspension components. Regarding your worn continuous loop, they're super easy to make yourself. Also remember, most knots can reduce the rated load of the rope or material by 10-60% or more.
@TripleNickelOutdoors 6 жыл бұрын
Mike Curtis hey mike, yeah, same as you, I always get into my hammock gently, for the exact reason of what happened! Except this time when I wanted to test its limits!! Lol Another viewer commented on the 3/4 inch mule tape. I may make a change to the wider mule tape. ... and I was able to make some new loops and my Sparrow is back up and running!! Thanks for the comment!
@Tomcat-ey9ee 3 жыл бұрын
Why the hell would you tie a hammock knot thats impossible to untie
@TripleNickelOutdoors 3 жыл бұрын
You wouldn't.
@Gingererer 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Nick. Great video! I noticed the trouble you had untying the knot after loading it. You may have run across this tidbit in the years since making this video. Larks head a small loop to the end of your continuous loop. Tie your becket hitch as usual, leaving this small loop sticking out the end. When you go to untie your loop, use this small loop and the tail of your suspension to pull the knot loose. Works like a charm. Autumn Ultralight makes a continuous loop (called a becket loop) that has this small loop built in.
@TripleNickelOutdoors 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks. I’ve seen her loops and they look very useful!
@michaeldreiling36 6 жыл бұрын
I had to watch your video twice to be sure. What you're calling a becket hitch is actually just a half hitch. A true becket hitch does not completely wrap the opposing loop, but rather splits the loop and comes up "through" the loop. It's very closely related to a sheet bend. And as you discovered, a single half hitch is not secure under shock loading. Use a true "becket hitch", and you'll get satisfactory results!
@TripleNickelOutdoors 6 жыл бұрын
Michael Dreiling the knot is a Becket hitch but it uses a bight so that it has the ability to be untied. If the whole amount of webbing were passed through the loop then it would be almost impossible to untie once the knot was loaded. I go over the correct way to tie both the Becket hitch and the double Becket Hitch in the beginning of the video and then I show the modified version using a bight, a.k.a. The Slippery Becket Hitch.
@TripleNickelOutdoors 6 жыл бұрын
Michael Dreiling here’s a few links that also explain it: theultimatehang.com/2016/04/25/hammock-becket-hitch/ www.animatedknots.com/sheetbend/ Thanks. Hope it helps!
@michaeldreiling36 6 жыл бұрын
Ok, my bad! What you're tying is in fact a legitimate Becket Hitch. I didn't see that at first. Thanks for the video, and setting me straight!
@TripleNickelOutdoors 6 жыл бұрын
Michael Dreiling no worries brother! I hope the info was helpful! Be good!
@adventureswithfrodo2721 6 жыл бұрын
There are better knots to use. Not sure why people want to use this kind of knot.
@TripleNickelOutdoors 6 жыл бұрын
Adventures with Frodo it’s an easy knot to tie and, usually, it’s been pretty reliable. I have never had an issue with it, until I stressed it a bit. What other knots would you recommend? I’ve seen the J Bend as an option. Any others?
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