You Need A Cheap Android Tablet For Ham Radio!

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You Need A Cheap Android Tablet For Ham Radio!

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Android tablets are cheap and the apps are often free. Tonight we'll talk about my favorite ham radio and tool setups using an Android tablet
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0:00 Intro
6:10 CB FM upgrade? Automatic FRS/GMRS location update.
14:40 APRS on Android
18:14 Ham radio Tools (NanoVNA & Multi Meter)
27:00 Software Defined Radio dongle for receiving
37:55 WinLink Email with Mobilinkd and radio
44:10 Portable bluetooth keyboard + mouse for Email and Android
49:50 Questions on the kit
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@jeffdyer2393 3 жыл бұрын

Just a suggestion there are a lot of your video titles that interest me but its rare that I have an hour plus to invest. How about making some of these topics available in a 20 to 30 minute video. Thanks for what you do.

@jeffparisse4202 3 жыл бұрын

Gotta second that motion! 30 minutes TOPS… I’m interested in the topic but scrubbing through it makes me reconsider the time investment.

@signalscout6020 3 жыл бұрын

They’re broken up into chapters, in iOS you can double tap with two fingers and advance through chapters. I don’t know what Android people do, prolly something cooler than that.

@MarkDecamps 3 жыл бұрын

Yes. This ^.

@TangoRomeo121 3 жыл бұрын

Yep, I'd like to see more how to videos in 20 to 30 minute blocks. I don't really care to see everyone's comments and donations. I'm here to learn something. Also, would like to see more of the slideshows uploaded to the drive.

@530eman 2 жыл бұрын

Agreed…!

@joeb3300 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video! I don't know how well a nanoVNA works with a tablet, but is plays very well with my Windows 10 laptop and an attached monitor. I can set-up the VNA with mouse clicks (rather than trying to select items on the tiny touch screen), see a large display on a 24" monitor, print SWR (or other) graphs and, best of all, get higher resolution plots (higher frequency resolution) than the nanoVNA's 101-sample screen-size allows. Sure, it is still a $50 VNA, not a $50K instrument, but for HF antenna construction it is a godsend. On Field Day 2021 I built the ARRL HF end-fed antenna kit and used the nanoVNA to trim the antenna, moving the SWR minimums into the digital portion of the 40M and 20M bands. When used with a laptop-attached projector, the nanoVNA becomes a great teaching tool. The entire class can see the plots. Regarding the use of the RTL dongle on HF, as you no doubt know, there is an upconverter that will shift the HF bands up 100MHz. The RTL dongle then works pretty well as an HF receiver.

@Jody_VE5SAR 3 жыл бұрын

Motorola is taking Garmin's idea of position reporting (on their RINO radios, currently brand-exempted for Garmin only) and expanding it to be automated. That's much needed. Hopefully, it will allow general data transfer (i.e. APRS-type messaging, also supported on RINO), and not be restricted strictly to position reporting only.

@dennisschultz1175 3 жыл бұрын

Fun fact, SOME Chromebooks also run and have access to the Android app store. This includes a keyboard and a full size USB standard. They are about the same cost as this tablet.

@dennisschultz1175 3 жыл бұрын

I am going to retract some of this. SDR touch does NOT work on a Chromebook which runs android apps. Very disappointing and no support from creator.

@Pigeon__Man 3 жыл бұрын

Been using a fire tablet for a while now. It was just collecting dust so I used the toolbox to "root" (more like jailbreak it) and use it for logging. I had no idea there was so much it could do, gotta do some shopping!

@shuumai 2 жыл бұрын

Is the tablet faster after hacking it?

@Pigeon__Man 2 жыл бұрын

@@shuumai I wouldn't say faster. It gets rid of the Amazon "skin" they put on it so it's just fresh Android, maybe that helps speed slightly. I wouldn't get one if you don't already have one laying around. Mine was basically just used for netflix once in a while so I decided to give it a use. I'd go for one of the Lenovos if you're buying something new.

@mikewatson2634 6 ай бұрын

I love my chromebooks for ham radio. Have a FT8 decoder, Morse decoder, KiwiSDR and lots of other stuff. Only bad thing is the only app that drives the RTL SDR is for an AM/FM radio no Unitrunker, SDRtrunk, anything like that.

@heatherryan9820 2 жыл бұрын

I've got that same keyboard, and even though it's not the best, I keep it in my tablet go-box for just-in-case situations.

@IrishHamRadio Жыл бұрын

OK Josh.. Now you have me trawling through all the old droid tabs in the house from before we went apple, trying to find which one is the best! 😁

@lonewolfhamradio 3 жыл бұрын

My field gear is a raspi4 and iPad, or a small windows laptop, replacing all of that with an android tablet would be great except I can’t see an android version of wsjtx or js8call.

@conchd 3 жыл бұрын

Reason Josh is so compelling is he has passion for what he does.

@HamRadioCrashCourse 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@memediatek Жыл бұрын

For HF you need a nooelec smart, which supports direct sampling. The smartee dongles do not support it but perform better on higher frequencies

@DanielHallmark 3 жыл бұрын

The Mobilinkd TNC3 is supposed to be 9600-baud capable if you have a radio that supports it. I haven't found a peer to test it at 9600 yet with my Kenwood TM-V71A, but you might have better luck in your part of the world.

@lukerogers3394 Жыл бұрын

After watching this video I purchased the tablet use here. I can afford something better but wanted something dedicated to ham only. My expectations were quite low honestly, but it turns out I really like this tablet. I've added several apps and it still works great. It's an awesome little tablet that very affordable. If money it tight you still be pleased with this one. Thanks for the video Josh.

@HamRadioCrashCourse Жыл бұрын

Not a problem. Glad it helped!

@arupian666 2 жыл бұрын

12:11... message in chat from Jason - actually, quite the opposite. I stripped down my Fire HD 10 from all the Amazon bloatware and installed the Play Store in about 7 minutes with Fire Toolbox. Blissfully easy.

@neurotoxic6407 2 жыл бұрын

May I ask which version on of the HD 10?

@arupian666 2 жыл бұрын

@@neurotoxic6407 Of course, you may. I just got the "regular" version, not the HD10 Plus. The 2021 version.

@neurotoxic6407 2 жыл бұрын

@@arupian666 Thank you so much!

@littlewanderer9236 2 жыл бұрын

haha just got into ham, taking my tech and general at the end of the month and have lived in Santa Ynez, small world. hope that was some yummy wine! thanks for all the handy info!

@tsol438 Жыл бұрын

I have a similar keyboard..the one that connects to 3 devices. It comes in handy but it is a bit hard to get use to. I'll accidentally hit the connection keys (that are above the trackpad) when trying to hit the backspace and accidentally switch devices lol

@alcampbell 10 ай бұрын

Thanks for all those ideas on this one. I didnt realize you were in OC. I`m in Tustin. KD6CFE was here. 73`s.

@ifloss2690 2 жыл бұрын

K6dds. Hi Josh. Pretty neat. On my iPad SDR Thanks for your input. iPad SDR

@spamcan2551 Жыл бұрын

I do believe you need an "upconverter at 110 (ideally) MHz to convert the hf bands into the range of that SDR. SDR-RTL, what I have, does just that.

@HamRadioCrashCourse Жыл бұрын

Sure. You can still do hf without it, but it does help a lot.

@yakovdavidovich7943 3 жыл бұрын

Ack, this video's thumbnail has a red border, and that made me think I had watched it already. Don't use red, or you might get less views!

@djglitch2.031 3 жыл бұрын

This is right up my ally. Im a huge android nerd and root user when possible.

@dustingreen9971 2 жыл бұрын

Enjoyed! Interested in the comments regarding the possibility of HF and WoAd. I would really like to establish Winlink between my IC 705 and my Android via Bluetooth.

@slik560 2 жыл бұрын

Great vid. I'm a little late. :) I just ordered a 10.1" refurb ON tablet from WalMart for $69. Cheap! I got the larger screen in deference to my aging eyes. I look forward to going through your material again when I set it up...when it arrives....in February....of 2022 I hope.

@InfantryGeek 3 жыл бұрын

KD8RWC from Battle Creek Michigan 73's

@Poorgeniu5 3 жыл бұрын

I got an crappy, cheap, slow, outdated, GPS enabled Samsung Galaxy Tab E 9.6 and it ran SDR Touch fine unexpectedly and recognized my RTL-SDR through my cheap USB-OTG cable if you need pointers of how low you can go with an Android tablet. You can do the same with Android Phones (with an OTG cable or hub for more ports), Android TV or an Raspberry Pi 4 running Android but that is just the surface of what you can do with Android which is out of scope for this comment.

@dangermandave67 Жыл бұрын

That's pretty cool you can directly connect to the TNC in the HG-UV98. This must be the only radio that you can actually buy now having this capability. Couldn't you have also used this radio for your Winlink packet session rather than needing the Mobilinkd?

@jeffreygillispie8780 Жыл бұрын

In my best Gary Oldman voice "I gotta get me one of those"

@jaytibbles2223 2 жыл бұрын

I lived in Huntsville! I knew von Braun (and his daughter)

@michaelhamilton3778 Жыл бұрын

🤣🤣 Right from the start of the demonstration. Oops…… I bricked my tablet 🫤🤔🤣

@barcodenut 3 жыл бұрын

I use a Logitech 2.4 GHz keyboard just fine on my RPi since the GPS on my RPi3 has a problem with Bluetooth.

@AD6DMDennis 3 жыл бұрын

Gah!! Josh always making my Amazon cart bigger.

@brianbgarber 3 жыл бұрын

Agreed... I didn't know I needed a Pokit meter until watching Josh's video! (WB8AM)

@mitchellwodach2215 3 жыл бұрын

And bezos richer lol

@agentsmith1573 2 жыл бұрын

Nice to see a few young faces in the Ham hobby. I was watching a video of a previously recorded Zoom meeting on Ham, and the first thing I noticed - every person had blue hair and not the kind that comes in a box... So does that mean I'm getting old or does that mean Ham is starting to get a younger following? Well- here's to a new generation of Hams!

@Oldhogleg 3 жыл бұрын

Lol, 264 is one of my favorite numbers 👍

@55ting55 3 жыл бұрын

Hi, How do you connect the APRSdroid to the radio via bluetooth? is the radio has TNC built in? Can I connect APRSdroid via bluetooth to anyone 878uvii plus? TIA

@JessicaFEREM 2 жыл бұрын

I have so many cheap and otherwise useless android tabs, thanks for the heads up!

@RTPTechTips 3 жыл бұрын

Tablets are *excellent* compact controlpad for sdr. I have a Pine64 Pinetab with a build in rtl-sdr card working surprisingly well. As little interference as my blog v3 externally. Fits well w/sma threads coming out back. It has absolutely become my favorite control dev. Wonder if you could mod android tablet to carry same (internal sdr card, ie: if it has any "free" space, ready/open ribbon cable clip/port etc)...

@HamRadioCrashCourse 3 жыл бұрын

The Pinetab has a built in sdr? 🤔

@RTPTechTips 3 жыл бұрын

@@HamRadioCrashCourse Unfortunately Pinetab not available currently (should say this first). But yes, when it available you can add this extra to your order (when they become available again). Although I did have to create the sma port/hole (relatively simple) but was pretty easy to add the hole, grind off a couple mm to fit the sma inside, and change the clip to include the threaded end. :) I have a few videos on it but YT has been marking links as spam so going to refrain from losing my comment. ;) I really love Tablets for sdr control. :D

@88njtrigg88 2 жыл бұрын

@@RTPTechTips Thanks for the heads-up. Subscribe to your channel. Have a good one.

@PaulieShortcuts 3 жыл бұрын

Someone gifted me a GPS/GLONASS USB. I have never used it for anything but curious if that would work also and what you could do with it. 14:46 APRS 18:38 NanoVNA 23:53 Pokit MultiMeter 27:21 SDR 38:54 Winlink 56:49 GoTenna

@TheNoCodeTech 3 жыл бұрын

TeamReplay for the win!

@DR4Christ 2 жыл бұрын

Just now watching this - Is it possible to decode CW on a Android and use the Bluetooth Keyboard to send CW for a noobie?

@jpvoodoo5522 7 ай бұрын

This winlink. Is it an actual Internet email that participates with mail servers. Is it private to a user or can anyone who is listening lift it out of the signal? What does nanovna do?

@Vaz_DeFerenz 2 ай бұрын

i got a lenovo m10fhd plus to do use with my rtl sdr . spent 120 dollars on it, doesnt support OTG, cant return, make sure your tablet supports OTG!!!!!

@CurtTerpstra 3 жыл бұрын

I have the same Bluetooth keyboard that I use for one of my raspberry pi I also have the same Kenwood HT too :D

@SMB_SpeedTwin 2 ай бұрын

Hi Josh, you know full well from previous interactions I’m new and playing catch up. Is it still the case I’m better off getting a cheap android tablet specifically for radio / operator use? Everything I have and use is Apple so I’d need to get an android device specifically. Cheers

@flinfaraday1821 2 жыл бұрын

I've always used Samsung. The bloatware is true but I always use custom roms which are completely degoogled and void of manufacturer/carrier bloat.

@micaguidry1389 Жыл бұрын

Hi HRCC, I have a yaesu ft-70DR and I have put the tone, offset in and I still cannot be heard on the nets. Its driving me crazy. What am I doing wrong? Please help! ASAP!

@jeffreydelarea390 8 ай бұрын

Hi josh how about cheap android 11 car stereo can we use for ham radio pls try exploxe this

@HamRadioCrashCourse 8 ай бұрын

I have no interest/budget to do all that.

@TheZzmel Жыл бұрын

Hi: Josh: I notice your call sign is quite different to what I am used to. Maybe you can clue me in. Thanks

@HamRadioCrashCourse Жыл бұрын

The FCC auto assigned it to me 🤷🏼‍♀️ it’s a 6 call because I am in California.

@paulfitch9597 2 жыл бұрын

SDRTouch is a great idea and a nice attempt but after trying many times with several different receivers, including HackRF, I could not get it to nicely receive anything other than broadcast FM.

@schauman1 2 жыл бұрын

Hi can’t find the video about a tablet you did a review for 60.00. Please help thanks.

@dfmayes 2 жыл бұрын

FYI Gigaparts has the Pokit meter for $80.

@HamRadioCrashCourse 2 жыл бұрын

That is pretty cheap.

@pathdoc Жыл бұрын

Does the tablet need to be signed up with a cellular provider to work (Verizon, AT&T, etc.), or can you use the Bluetooth and WiFi without that?

@HamRadioCrashCourse Жыл бұрын

No need for a cellular service.

@toml.8210 2 жыл бұрын

Be careful what kind of tablet you get. OTG was not implemented until Android 4 was installed on devices. Even with Android 4, some devices are not still not able to use OTG on the USB port without specials driver, or not at all regardless. Try to get a device with Android 6 or greater.

@jimbajacamper2435 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks the the good knowledge! How do you find nodes when operating remot ? Also any nodes vhf uhf hf ?

@loyannmunyan1174 3 жыл бұрын

What about using tablet for xiegu 5150 how best to hook it up I have a Samsung tablet

@kelton5020 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video, though what is aprs even, have no idea still.

@HamRadioCrashCourse 2 жыл бұрын

I have a video on that. 👍

@4000marcdman 2 жыл бұрын

Anyone know if a type c connector could be put on the end of the cable? Never mind. Samsung gives you uotg when you buy them.

@jakenuno9900 Жыл бұрын

Any ideas on a good dongle for UHF primarily, all others are secondary?

@Spankowitz Жыл бұрын

Serious question: what is the difference between radiooddity and baofeng radios?

@HamRadioCrashCourse Жыл бұрын

Radioddity is a radio manufacturer that make and also rebrand different radios. Baofeng is kind of like a name we loosely connect to a very specific dual band VHF/UHF radio. A Baofeng can be made by a few companies and share a similar look at feature set. Sometimes, inexpensive handhelds are referred to as "Baofengs" - If its a Baofeng it is likely a Chinese made radio.

@dennisschultz1175 3 жыл бұрын

Josh the Lenovo from Walmart is the "smart tab" which comes with the dock. The Amazon one does not.

@HamRadioCrashCourse 3 жыл бұрын

What Samsung?

@dennisschultz1175 3 жыл бұрын

@@HamRadioCrashCourse sorry. I meant Lenovo. I ended up going with a Samsung S6 lite. Not quite the budget tab but offers current software, more ram, and larger storage

@HamRadioCrashCourse 3 жыл бұрын

Weird looking at the reviews, some people got the stand.

@butcher_the_patriot3695 3 жыл бұрын

Well, if I did it right, I just connected my Not 10+ to my Anytone 878+ running APRS Droid on phone. Thanks for the inspiration Josh

@toml.8210 2 жыл бұрын

Never turn your device to screw connections together!! Always hold the connector to turn it.

@ManuelPinner Жыл бұрын

Get SDR++ for Android for You SDR's SDR Connect also will be out for Android Soon for Your SDR Play RSP DX Receivers, SDR++ Works with SDR Play RSP DX,

@BruceGordon925 2 жыл бұрын

Love your music videos!

@drewdickenson2562 Жыл бұрын

Has anyone successfully made a cable for the TRRS on the Lenovo to... anything else? I was trying to make TRRS Lenovo to TRRS Yaesu (FT3DR) and it just pins the thing to transmit. I figure I must have had the wrong info from online but maybe I'm missing something

@simonwinwood 3 жыл бұрын

love your content

@HamRadioCrashCourse 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!!

@quintonharvey1501 Жыл бұрын

What channels are you not able to use

@radioman3229 5 ай бұрын

Once you have it all done on your android device... can you use it "OFFLINE" ... meaning will I still need "WI-FI" or "CELL" to use it? Ty, NS9T

@HamRadioCrashCourse 5 ай бұрын

You use the Android device to send the messages over Bluetooth to the LoRa device. It doesn’t use WiFi or the cell network.

@applejacks971 2 жыл бұрын

I bought a $330 Samsung tablet because everyone kept saying apps etc needed at least Windows 10 to operate, not android, not pie whatever it is, not Windows 7, but windows 10. This is why ham radio kinda sucks, no matter who you talk to or what you hear, it will contradict everything else you've seen and heard.

@HamRadioCrashCourse 2 жыл бұрын

It’s not a contradiction. Some apps aren’t on android, like CHIRP.

@KO4DFJRadio 3 жыл бұрын

Josh, po kit meter? Wasn’t able to find it. Is that the proper name for it?

@billryland6199 3 жыл бұрын

How do you connect to the HT or HF rig without Bluetooth? None of mine have Bluetooth.

@HamRadioCrashCourse 3 жыл бұрын

An adapter or usb connection.

@nelxonmiranda Жыл бұрын

What’s a nano vna? Explain pls.

@HamRadioCrashCourse Жыл бұрын

I made a whole video explaining what it is. Check it out.

@KQ4HXQ Жыл бұрын

Will any of the sdr work on iPads

@heikopinero6875 2 жыл бұрын

Do you think the Android tablet works with Chirp? Thanks and enjoy your informative videos

@HamRadioCrashCourse 2 жыл бұрын

No chirp. Sadly.

@drofnasw 5 ай бұрын

Will SDR++ run on your Lenovo tablet? Thanks!

@drofnasw 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for answering my question. Not!

@jethro9341 10 ай бұрын

Can you use an android phone instead? What can the tablet do that an android phone can't?

@HamRadioCrashCourse 10 ай бұрын

Sure use your phone.

@willytrumpold3179 Жыл бұрын

Love ❤ the Show!;-) 😊

@barneymerrill3188 2 жыл бұрын

Can you run Pi Star on the tablet?

@mdwestlund1 2 жыл бұрын

Rf in the go pro?.

@johnputnam8563 2 жыл бұрын

What version of the NanoVNA are you using, my old one does not connect to the Lenovo tablet and the software. I see you have 2 available on your links. Will both of them connect to the tablet software with OTG cables?

@HamRadioCrashCourse 2 жыл бұрын

I have a really old NanoVNA. It connects fine with the right Otg Cable. I assume the ones linked will be fine

@JamesHannibalKH2SR 3 жыл бұрын

I wonder if handheld CB radios will get smaller with FM capabilities? Also, I thought GMRS/FRS already had the ability to share position data? Like the Garmin Rino. FCC should extend location data sharing privileges to MURS & CB as well. It would also be cool if they also allowed mesh networking on GMRS/FRS/MURS/CB.

@HamRadioCrashCourse 3 жыл бұрын

They do. The key word was periodically versus manually like the Rino.

@JamesHannibalKH2SR 3 жыл бұрын

@@HamRadioCrashCourse copy that 👍🏽 I’ve never had a chance to play with a Rino. Pretty spendy.

@viewatyourownrisk 3 жыл бұрын

This was awesome!! If I choose to go this route versus a Pi with Hampi(that ham specific os image), am I missing out on anything?

@dennisschultz1175 3 жыл бұрын

Yes. A ton of heartaches and frustration.

@mrmustachio6297 3 жыл бұрын

⁹

@williamghost1516 2 жыл бұрын

you didn't say how you looked the radio to the tablet via bluetooth

@HamRadioCrashCourse 2 жыл бұрын

It’s over Bluetooth

@mdwestlund1 2 жыл бұрын

Good job Josh Wa6ols.

@jorgezuni2818 3 жыл бұрын

My android tablet is asking to remove like 8 apps before I can download any other .. looks like they are trying to make my tablet obsolete.. just what google does …$$$&$$$

@billcrow5403 3 жыл бұрын

What did you use to connect the nanovna to the tablet?

@HamRadioCrashCourse 3 жыл бұрын

Usb on the go dongle.

@tbfgsm.network 3 жыл бұрын

@@HamRadioCrashCourse do you have the link to the ICOM giveaway?

@harryr.6744 3 жыл бұрын

Your rules are unclear about entries for the Ham Nation sweepstakes. AS I read it you are allowing only one entry per person but the rules don't say this in a clear statement. So your contest is likely defective and liable to disputation.

@HamRadioCrashCourse 3 жыл бұрын

Are you trolling? “Only one entry per person (duplicates are automatically deleted).” “Any attempt by Entrant to obtain more than the stated number of Entries by using multiple/different email addresses, identities, registrations, logins or any other methods, including, but not limited to, commercial contest/sweepstakes subscription notification and/or entering services, will void Entrant's Entries and that Entrant may be disqualified.”

@madcapmagician6018 3 жыл бұрын

government tracking yeah not always a good thing

@ryanv7075 3 жыл бұрын

Mid roll ads, blah

@chrono581 Жыл бұрын

WOW, Not to be like that, but it is amusing watching Apple users use Android for the first time. He's marveling at Features that have been part of the OS for years. No offense dude.

@HamRadioCrashCourse Жыл бұрын

I don't think I was marvelling. lol

@chrono581 Жыл бұрын

@@HamRadioCrashCourse you found keyboard and mouse support Amazing lol

@chrono581 Жыл бұрын

@@HamRadioCrashCourse so I would like to make some additional points on my own studies on ham radio and Android first of all did you know SDRangel and SDR++ have android version (SDRangel has poor touch support and SDR++ is not available in the Play Store you have to sideload it. As point but pretty much have all the same capabilities as the desktop version) also as I know you love APRS did you know APRSdroid can work through headphone jack with mobilink in my opinion a good way of doing APRS on the cheap just some thought I thought you might be interested in by no means an expert on this.

@BruceGordon925 2 жыл бұрын

Sell me something.

@cedricvillani8502 3 жыл бұрын

Everything works when you spend 4-5K$ on a antenna setup, if it only sorta works then rest assured it won’t work for you, affiliate links make more money then the KZfaq video it’s self, one source is ClickBank . This is a commercial

@HamRadioCrashCourse 3 жыл бұрын

While idk if your generalization is bad. Do I fit your generalization? All the gear in this video is like maybe $600. And you don’t have to buy all of it. 🤷🏼‍♀️ the antenna is a $100 mfj vertical for 2m-70cm.

@mattrowe1229 3 жыл бұрын

android tabs are to slow, not enough ram, my wife has 2 of them, one new since 2 months ago

@djglitch2.031 3 жыл бұрын

Depends on what models you get. Though android phones will work better with this. And this would need to be dedicated devices for radio and even then I'd use it as a hobby.

@angelodepalma538 2 жыл бұрын

Too bloody long

@HamRadioCrashCourse 2 жыл бұрын

It’s a live show. If you like short. Watch my shorter videos.

@garyzimmerman8679 Жыл бұрын

I hate android. Why can’t we use iOS! I like the apple iOS and how it Operates for the interface, I don’t like the android. Make stuff iOS!

@NateVolk 2 жыл бұрын

Any way to use SDR Touch or the like to receive aprs packets into APRSDroid? Seems like a great way to receive packets in a simple and cheap package...