Hand Drag Drill For High Edge Angle Carving

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Tom Gellie - Big Picture Skiing

Tom Gellie - Big Picture Skiing

Жыл бұрын

Do you find you can carve well on green and blue runs but when it gets a little steeper you just can’t manage the pressure and your speed keeps getting faster and faster? And the only way to slow down is to skid your turns? If this sounds like you then this video could be just what you need to make a breakthrough with this problem. Follow the progression Tom Gellie lays out for two skiers that gives them control, smoothness and pure exhilarating carving fun on steeper runs.
In this video
- Why progressive edging is key to controlling your speed and turn shape
- Hand Drag J Turns
- Linking Hand drag turns
- Common problems when trying to progressively build edge angles for carving and how to fix them
- Real life students improving with this progression
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@simhanssens7331
@simhanssens7331 Жыл бұрын
WAW just WAW. I'm a highly skilled skier and instructor in belgium and I don't think I've ever seen people improve this much from just one drill. Will definently try next time!
@foes9586
@foes9586 7 ай бұрын
ik ga hetzelfde doen. 😎
@pliskind
@pliskind 5 ай бұрын
those skills should know every carver and youre trying to tell me, you were not familiar with it?
@obvioustrash7833
@obvioustrash7833 5 ай бұрын
@@pliskind He is familiar with the skills you need as a carver, he is not familiar with this drill is what I am reading. I also consider myself a skilled carver, but I have never seen this drill before. I will try it next month on my ski vacation and see how it goes
@fzee532
@fzee532 6 ай бұрын
Hand drags WORK! Just tested in Steamboat and Copper with my girl doing J-turns without even bring the fist all the way down. This new found feeling of speed control is exhilarating! Thank you TOM!!!!
@Sladep123
@Sladep123 5 ай бұрын
The orange dude did SO well and made so much progress. Inspirational and great instruction and learning. Thank you.
@Bigpictureskiing
@Bigpictureskiing 5 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@rafaelalbertotorres8070
@rafaelalbertotorres8070 Жыл бұрын
Awesome tutorial! While I can carve, I feel these drills can take me to the next level. Can't wait to try them.
@alexnelson8
@alexnelson8 6 ай бұрын
Eric, this video is fantastic. I have tried to explain this to people in the past, but have had a hard time. Everything we are ever taught is to angulate against the turn, but there comes a point where it is counterproductive. I have shared this video with dozens of expert life long skiers that have been missing this last piece in the progression. I have found that it is important to remind people while working on this to start looking back uphill in between turns because you start making moves others do not anticipate. You are a beautiful skier. Thank you for sharing.
@u0480478
@u0480478 4 ай бұрын
when should you angulate?
@tedbrown96
@tedbrown96 2 ай бұрын
I watched this vid and went through the progression. BAM! My carving took a quantum leap. I can hardly say I was carving before, I was but clearly not exploiting the potential of the turn or my skies. Then I took a dive into Tom’s other videos and thought maybe I should subscribe. $50 a month I thought this might be a bit spendy but, $1000 for an all day private is the alternative. I would give it a try. Happy to say the I was blown away by the material, and what is offered in live programs. I am a believer and wouldrecommend the same to anyone who is serious about their skiing.
@Bigpictureskiing
@Bigpictureskiing Ай бұрын
Thanks Ted for taking the time to comment about your experience. So happy that you’ve found the big picture skiing site has exceeded your expectations.
@beastyfast
@beastyfast Жыл бұрын
This is exactly where I am on the learning curve. Can’t wait to try this and finally break through to the next level!
@chrisad206
@chrisad206 Жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed this and can't wait to try it when our snow arrives. Thanks, Tom.
@yianaki53
@yianaki53 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the precious advice Tom, will work on this drill this coming week!
@juopop2503
@juopop2503 6 ай бұрын
The absolutly best explanation how to improve carving in steep terrain I have seen so far. I will copy these exercises :) Thanks for the great video.
@ghostgutarist5234
@ghostgutarist5234 7 ай бұрын
Begining with Carving, and start trying it, absolutely Love it... Thank you.
@guidomarzocchi2535
@guidomarzocchi2535 6 ай бұрын
Clear, complete and super useful lesson. Gonna try as soon as I can. Thank you!
@ivanchen5492
@ivanchen5492 Жыл бұрын
Awesome tutorial!!! I tried to touch the snow with pole this whole season but cannot do so. Now I just noticed that I should be the one with too much angulation lol. Cant wait to try without pole! Thank you Tom
@buraktutar2451
@buraktutar2451 Жыл бұрын
by far the best tutorial on carving i have seen
@AussieJTC
@AussieJTC Жыл бұрын
Love this one! Sounds silly but I still have vivid memories of the most fun I’ve ever had on skis and it was doing this drill. The point about this helping to teach the topple rather than being overly angulated between the hips and torso really resonated as something I want to work on when I’m next on snow too.
@hrgunit
@hrgunit 6 ай бұрын
That was an awesome progression. I think this is it for me. Thanks Tom!
@paulhomsy2751
@paulhomsy2751 7 ай бұрын
We had that same drill at Mt. Baldy in California. I remember the head instructor Dr. Jacques telling me to ski without the poles. I was also an instructor and couldn't believe how I was able to ski what I considered difficult earlier with ski poles. This was in 2007. My point is that it's an excellent technique and that good instructors push for it for very good reasons.
@ianishweb
@ianishweb Жыл бұрын
Looking forward to trying this out. I have been struggling with carving on slightly steeper pitches.
@17.alessio
@17.alessio 7 ай бұрын
Great videos and explanations. You remind me of an old friend who always told me to start carving: "you have to imagine that you are tying your shoe" crush by dragging your hand on the ground. you are a top skier, nothing else.❤
@markfrancis5751
@markfrancis5751 5 ай бұрын
I tried this in January in Breck, trying to touch my inside hand and dragging the pole and it was a game changer on large radius turns! Thanks!
@sebastianmichalski5318
@sebastianmichalski5318 7 ай бұрын
So much positive energy there! Congrats guys. Fantastic drills Tom! Thank you.
@Bigpictureskiing
@Bigpictureskiing 7 ай бұрын
Thanks so much!
@01katlion
@01katlion Жыл бұрын
What a great video! And it turns out that my favorite Sunpeaks run is Blazer, so it's nice to see the drills on it!! 🥰 Saving this for review in November! Thank you!
@terencetcf
@terencetcf 7 ай бұрын
This is by far the best video I've seen in youtube! Thank Tom for this, I feel like I've improved so much though still not quite same level as Eric (definitely not the same level as Tom 😆). Will keep practicing! At the moment, I just feel like my legs are a bit too open/wide...
@zachrichardson7099
@zachrichardson7099 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for the tips, I too love edging on the slopes!
@cams3425
@cams3425 Жыл бұрын
Excellent tutorial video Tom! Your descriptions about what to feel while doing the physical motion helps tremendously. One thought I'm going to try since watching this video is to think of my uphill ski and outreaching hand as if they are connected on a string. As the uphill hand reaches for the snow my uphill ski knee follows and helps with the carving forces to better balance myself on the slope.? I have not tried this on the slope yet, but in my head it seems to make sense. Again, thank you for the carving tutorials. I'm learning a lot!
@Bigpictureskiing
@Bigpictureskiing Жыл бұрын
Good connection
@user-xm8wz5sg2p
@user-xm8wz5sg2p 4 ай бұрын
What a great video! And it turns out that my favorite Sunpeaks run is Blazer, so it's nice to see the drills on it!! Saving this for review in November! Thank you!
@billarmatage5858
@billarmatage5858 Жыл бұрын
Excellent presentation and results!👏
@valeryreklama
@valeryreklama 3 ай бұрын
Hi from Czech Republic. I've never seen a better explanation. Awesome drill for carving. Thanks a lot!
@Bigpictureskiing
@Bigpictureskiing 3 ай бұрын
Thanks and hello back to you!
@s-dx1eu
@s-dx1eu Ай бұрын
Awesome video, look forward to trying this.
@PaulJurczak
@PaulJurczak Жыл бұрын
Awesome! Thanks for mentioning Ryan Knapton, my snowboarding hero.
@buildersedge888
@buildersedge888 7 ай бұрын
Hey Tom...this is brilliant! I've been wanting to learn this technique for a few years. You did a fabulus job explaining how it's done. I tried it today on a very blue beginners run at Palisades at Tahoe. I think I'm starting to get the feel of it. I will keep trying. Thank you for taking the time to enlighten us on this. This is the best video I've seen on this type of turn. Well done my friend.
@Bigpictureskiing
@Bigpictureskiing 7 ай бұрын
Awesome, thank you!
@scottywin5571
@scottywin5571 6 ай бұрын
Damn! I've learn so much in last 20 minutes!
@drunk-idiot
@drunk-idiot 5 ай бұрын
Omg, 1 minute in and you summed up my exact problem now, can't carv on too steep hill because I just pick up way too much speed. Can't wait for the rest.
@dougr550
@dougr550 Жыл бұрын
amazing instruction as always
@malcolmdownie8521
@malcolmdownie8521 4 ай бұрын
I'm an expert skier....wow this has improved my ski....way more consistent now. Thanks so much!
@Bigpictureskiing
@Bigpictureskiing 4 ай бұрын
Great to hear!
@NJcinemaHD
@NJcinemaHD 6 ай бұрын
Excited to try this in a week in Flachau
@anderslangoks3813
@anderslangoks3813 Жыл бұрын
Always the best videos. Thanks.
@janisaksson5966
@janisaksson5966 3 ай бұрын
Beautyful skiing!!
@viagagarin23
@viagagarin23 6 ай бұрын
Amazing. Thank you so much for this fantastic video, Tom.
@Bigpictureskiing
@Bigpictureskiing 6 ай бұрын
You’re welcome
@markobeslac2181
@markobeslac2181 Жыл бұрын
Awesome video! Even though I’m already comfortable with dragging my knuckles, I’ve never really focused on this action. I will definitely try to actively think about this action. Looking forward to future tutorials on how to further increase your edge angles so that you can drag your inside knee on the snow.
@Bigpictureskiing
@Bigpictureskiing Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@robinski199
@robinski199 3 ай бұрын
20 years ago I started dragging my hand to help me not stivot the top of the turn in gs courses.. it definitely cured wanting to stivy when in countering scary tracks above gate.. interestingly enough it also made running super tight slalom courses doable…
@user-cq6kb1rh1u
@user-cq6kb1rh1u 7 ай бұрын
Tom is simply outstanding, my skiing has improved hugely since subscribing to his online lessons and this drill was a game changer.
@ebbtides
@ebbtides 5 ай бұрын
thanks user-cq6kb1rh1u, that totally doesn't read like an advertisement
@user-cq6kb1rh1u
@user-cq6kb1rh1u 5 ай бұрын
You will be a believer when you try the drill. Credit where credit is due. Let me know if you find a better online resource.
@stevehori673
@stevehori673 4 ай бұрын
Tom this has to be the most important break through tip for carving. Creates such a stable platform with no slippage Less effort, more control and consistently clean turns. Straightening the inside leg to initiate the next turn makes linking the turns super easy. Revolutionary thank you.
@Bigpictureskiing
@Bigpictureskiing 4 ай бұрын
Wonderful to hear Steve. Thanks for sharing your results.
@zukacs
@zukacs 4 ай бұрын
Gonna try this this weekend!
@Umetnik
@Umetnik 4 ай бұрын
I am almost there, I hope I get to touches still this season in the next couple of weeks.
@edjcambridge
@edjcambridge 9 ай бұрын
Could be one of your best videos yet!!!
@Bigpictureskiing
@Bigpictureskiing 8 ай бұрын
Thanks Ed
@dianebooth9600
@dianebooth9600 Жыл бұрын
Fabulous tutorial ⛷️
@kuanjuliu
@kuanjuliu Жыл бұрын
Eric sweeping his arms back literally looks like he’s flying. Must’ve been an amazing sensation!
@Bigpictureskiing
@Bigpictureskiing Жыл бұрын
He was so happy
@tonymallis2185
@tonymallis2185 8 ай бұрын
such a great drill....can't wait to test it out.
@Bigpictureskiing
@Bigpictureskiing 8 ай бұрын
Hope you enjoy it!
@emilfarcasanu5849
@emilfarcasanu5849 6 ай бұрын
Ooo. Great stuff Real pro Compliments
@KP-dd2ci
@KP-dd2ci 6 ай бұрын
Eric = top of the class!
@Motorhomelife_Adventures
@Motorhomelife_Adventures Жыл бұрын
Really nice video! many thanks! I will certainly be trying this out! many thanks !
@Bigpictureskiing
@Bigpictureskiing Жыл бұрын
Let us know how you go!
@bluemischief1582
@bluemischief1582 8 ай бұрын
How did I just now find this channel??? This is great!
@Bigpictureskiing
@Bigpictureskiing 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for the comment. Glad youre enjoying it!
@dirkbergold3797
@dirkbergold3797 Жыл бұрын
Wonderful Video with good Interpretation. 😊
@igor.vanlife
@igor.vanlife 4 ай бұрын
Will try today 😉
@Bigpictureskiing
@Bigpictureskiing 4 ай бұрын
All the best
@michaelhernandez7124
@michaelhernandez7124 7 ай бұрын
Awesome tutorial keep up the good work!!
@Bigpictureskiing
@Bigpictureskiing 7 ай бұрын
Thanks, will do!
@PetarJovanovic-dr3wn
@PetarJovanovic-dr3wn 10 ай бұрын
That's an incredible improvement in just one day! It only took one relatively effortless drill.
@Bigpictureskiing
@Bigpictureskiing 9 ай бұрын
Yes it was!
@mogglie
@mogglie 5 ай бұрын
Best tutorial on yt I’ve found. Summary. - ski without poles for a more natural feel to fall low. - 3:47 be confident in falling low practice standing still 4:33 practice one turn at a time. J turn. Touching you hand to the snow. 6:07 practice the feel of high edge angles. 6:29 more J turns. 7:24 then go for it. 8:48 words of carving wisdom.
@roy87345
@roy87345 Жыл бұрын
Super cool drill ❤ thank you ❤❤❤
@jays9211
@jays9211 9 ай бұрын
Can’t wait to try this I have the same problem with steeper terrain
@Bigpictureskiing
@Bigpictureskiing 9 ай бұрын
Let us know. Ive had a lot of people try it and have built breakthroughs in one day
@user-ov4uf3kz3u
@user-ov4uf3kz3u 4 ай бұрын
Thank you man!
@Bigpictureskiing
@Bigpictureskiing 4 ай бұрын
No worries
@richardwitty5380
@richardwitty5380 6 ай бұрын
Best vid I have seen
@886014
@886014 10 ай бұрын
Great video, excellent drill. Everyone skied very well
@Bigpictureskiing
@Bigpictureskiing 9 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@walid2011_
@walid2011_ 7 ай бұрын
exactly the same problem im facing atm. Wish i saw that earlier, now i gotta wait a few months with a broken arm cuz i didnt know this lol
@73gratia
@73gratia Жыл бұрын
Skiing is a braingame de luxe. Daring and getting aware and voila. ❤
@antonistojowski3383
@antonistojowski3383 Жыл бұрын
wow it seems amazing
@AlanDemoulin
@AlanDemoulin 6 ай бұрын
This is amazing tanks ! What is the best ski radius for carbone like that? Thanks!
@Taziod
@Taziod 5 ай бұрын
I found this out naturally after giving up my poles this year for the first time since learning (only about 12 days total). I wanted naturally to get my hand to the floor cause it was fun. (Hand dragging that is)
@MarkLugenbuhl-nl6ib
@MarkLugenbuhl-nl6ib Жыл бұрын
Hi Tom, I watched your video the first time. It is amazing, your explanations and exercises are great. Í m realy excited. I will give you feedback as soon as possible, I think you are the key for my skiing to improve to the next level. Yours Mark
@Bigpictureskiing
@Bigpictureskiing Жыл бұрын
Thanks Mark. Looking forward to it. Not sure if you’ve checked out my site but I save the best stuff for on there. Lots more on everything. Big picture because I think people should know the whole aspect of skiing including equipment, body prep and psychology.
@jwbackhaus
@jwbackhaus 6 ай бұрын
Thank you
@andreacolaianni6305
@andreacolaianni6305 Жыл бұрын
exactly the tutorial I was looking for ! I can carve in somehow but my inclination it's not at all there
@SkiProgression
@SkiProgression Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your videos, they are really helping me as well as my seven year old, he started skiing in 2022, and started doing this drill 2 days ago, without any coaching from me. We have watched many of your videos together and one day about 6 weeks ago, out of the blue, he started practicing one ski skiing, I never told him anything about it, I think he just picked it up from your videos, listening to what you say and then starts attempting it on his own.
@Bigpictureskiing
@Bigpictureskiing Жыл бұрын
How cool! Tell him I love that he’s doing this from watching the videos and to keep it up!
@SkiProgression
@SkiProgression Жыл бұрын
@@Bigpictureskiing I will definitely tell him that Coach Tom says to keep it up! He is going to a new ski area for the first time tomorrow and excitedly came to tell me all his bags were packed, he said his goal is to keep working on 180s and his carving skills. P.S. The video where you taught the lady how skiing on one ski would boost her ability really affected him, that seems to have been a turning point for him. I didn't push him at all, he just started doing it.
@kuanjuliu
@kuanjuliu Жыл бұрын
Wow, the effect of Big Picture Skiing on kids seems to be not a coincidence, then! My 6yo started one-ski skiing on her own as well, also based off my mutterings from Sam Robertson’s Emma videos. She actually got *me* to do it. Too bad our season ended before she got to try the hand drag drill (luckily, I did, to thrilling success!), but she’s bound to be doing ninja sessions of it next winter I’m sure!
@SkiProgression
@SkiProgression Жыл бұрын
@@kuanjuliu Yes, there is going to be a whole new crop of great skiers that will be able to trace their beginnings to these videos. Wish we had this when I was 7!
@kuanjuliu
@kuanjuliu Жыл бұрын
@@SkiProgression I wish I *started* skiing at 7! 🤣
@persawork9917
@persawork9917 8 ай бұрын
Hi tom Thanks for great video I tried your drill and it worked excellent but others say it looks somehow that I'm back seated Can tell me where is problem ? should i bend forward more from waist? Our don't bend my knees more for reaching ground? Or should i try lean while body? Where the backseated look come from? Thank you tom
@kuanjuliu
@kuanjuliu Жыл бұрын
Perfect timing for doing this drill in soft spring snow! Can you speak as to how this might be reflected in Carv edge angles? I had thought until now that the maximum edge angle is achieved at apex, but it looks like this happens toward the bottom of the turn instead?
@kuanjuliu
@kuanjuliu Жыл бұрын
Just tried this this morning AND IT WORKED. My reaction when it finally clicked was just like Eric's: utter amazement and exhilaration. So to answer my own question: I've been able to achieve 80º or so degrees in the past as one-offs, but I've never been able to successfully maintain average edge angles beyond 55º during a run. But just a couple runs of the drill (and a change-up of equipment, see below) and I started being able to predict when I was going to produce higher edge angles, and had a run with an average of 63º. Sadly the day was already warm to start with and by the time I got really going the snow had became too soft, but there was no question the drill was a success. I had been taught previously not to try reaching for the snow as it would cause me to lose angulation, i.e. pressure against the snow. But without inclination, the high edge angles simply wouldn't be produced, so ... glad you produced this to burst that myth. FYI: I had to use my more flexy skis with 12-meter turning radius (Head Supershape e-Original) or else I'd run out of trail doing the J-turns (I'm in Massachusetts and was skiing at Wachusett).
@alphonzoirwine6231
@alphonzoirwine6231 Жыл бұрын
Very nice drill. But I would recommend dragging the outside ski pole basket on the ground while flexing your core more so on that outside ski pole drag side in conjunction with the same drill shown here. If it sounds weird sorry just my 2 cents!
@alexnelson8
@alexnelson8 6 ай бұрын
I like this and it is also something I think about too. I also like to focus on standing up on/extending the uphill leg before and into the transition.
@tinyskier6250
@tinyskier6250 Жыл бұрын
it's the end of the season, lol ... or you in australia. ... great tips, thanks.still got a week to practice.
@MrStanleysiu125
@MrStanleysiu125 3 ай бұрын
Tom, I really like all your carving instructions and particularly interested in this one for increasing edge angle. I have a CARV IQ of 134 and typical edge angle of 50-60 with an occasional 70. But still I don't feel I carve with high enough angle and not really connecting turns with perfect archs. I am 57 and not sure if it's a flexibility thing? I did try to reach the snow with my hand but feel hard to (probably not angulated enough because of flexibility limitation?) Now I see your drill and really want to try it out in my next skiing. Now the question, were the two kids really how they were like before the drill, or just acting to be like a less perfect carver? I look more like them before the drill and much less like after the drill. I really hope it's true that the drill can allow them improve so much in a day!
@RogerDiotte
@RogerDiotte 4 ай бұрын
I'm DYING to try Handies! Nothing like flying downhill and getting into the "G's" whilst swooping S's.....
@greggoldman893
@greggoldman893 Жыл бұрын
Tom, your skiing is impeccable, as your demo’s and explanations. Can you elaborate on a little hop I see on initiation. It appears as if the tails come off the snow and pivot (rotate) about the tip to set the new direction. Is this due to trying to shorten the radius and get onto the new edge sooner and quicker? It appears that you are starting the turn with the ski at a high edge angle. Thanks!!
@davidriedmiller6576
@davidriedmiller6576 6 ай бұрын
Its not a hop, but a pop (ie the flexed ski pops like a spring when unweighted). A poped ski does indeed get you on to the other edge quickly. A carved turn never requires any "help" from steering.
@resabape
@resabape 9 ай бұрын
I can see the merits of this exercise to improve carving. I grimaced when I watched the video as I flashed back to the days I sustained injuires to both thumbs (skiers thumb). It is very important to understand the proper positioning of the hands, the timing, and the need to practice this move until it becomes habit.
@julienthoumazou3758
@julienthoumazou3758 6 ай бұрын
Dope ❤
@frantiseksedivy5136
@frantiseksedivy5136 6 ай бұрын
Hats of to you if you can carve on a green slope, I can only go straight there or skate or walk.
@russelloppenheimer3970
@russelloppenheimer3970 Жыл бұрын
THIS is the set of drills I've been looking for! Exactly where I am on the journey, and exactly the issues I'm having. After rapid progress learning to carve, I've hit a wall and unable to progress at same rate. Totally guilty of pushing for angulation, not inclination (assumed the former was required to achieve the later). Able to carve clean, until it gets steep, then can't control speed. Realized I need progressive inclination, but misguided to focus on more and more angulation trying to achieve it. Now can't wait for next season to try these drills. Will rewatch this video right before I go out, so drills and details are fresh.
@Bigpictureskiing
@Bigpictureskiing Жыл бұрын
Awesome Russel.
@anderslangoks3813
@anderslangoks3813 Жыл бұрын
I understand bending the inside leg, but do you also consciously slide it a forward during the turn?
@jeonlyxoxo
@jeonlyxoxo Жыл бұрын
There were great already.
@Conkee1711
@Conkee1711 4 ай бұрын
Fantastic. Was working on this today at Whistler. When I got lower on the hill and the snow got slushy I found that my outside boot/binding (?) would occasionally “catch” on the snow as I tried to get really low and angled. It was like being tripped. The first time I was not expecting at all and had a spectacular wipeout. I’m on 88 skis and Griffon bindings. Any suggestions Tom?
@Bigpictureskiing
@Bigpictureskiing 4 ай бұрын
That snow just will do that. Not ideal for higher edge angle turns more so for short turns and bumps. At least that’s what I like to ski when the snow gets that way
@makalacc
@makalacc 8 ай бұрын
Oh man, these videos hit so hard. Wonderful skiing, great tips, can't wait to get on skis again. Still can't decide which skis to get though. Would you be able to recommend me some for these types of turns? I'm 203cm tall, and my weight is around 105kg.
@Bigpictureskiing
@Bigpictureskiing 8 ай бұрын
Yes the Fischer Curv in a 185cm would give you the stability and confidence to lay it right over. Awesome ski
@makalacc
@makalacc 8 ай бұрын
@@Bigpictureskiing Thanks ! Will look into it
@makalacc
@makalacc 8 ай бұрын
@Bigpictureskiing Having my inner battle between the Curve vs RC4 Worldcup CT M/O-Platte. Same price atm, have you skied the CTs?
@connorp8408
@connorp8408 7 ай бұрын
I always imagined doing this would lead to reduced pressure on your outside ski? but it seems like there is an inside shoulder drop, which I've always found reduces pressure on the outside ski 6:02
@ericmitchell6123
@ericmitchell6123 Жыл бұрын
Outstanding drills…thank you! My frustration is that I just left the mountain 2 days ago. Now I have wait another 300 days to try this out. I’ll be shopping for some good carving skis off-season… any recommendations?
@Bigpictureskiing
@Bigpictureskiing Жыл бұрын
Oh sorry about the timing. Ok carving skis. I’d say look for a medium radius (15-17m radius) and around 170-180cm. The longer the more stable. So depending on your height and weight. I really like my 175cm 16m radius skis I use here from Fischer. Im 179cm tall and weigh 73kg
@terencetcf
@terencetcf Жыл бұрын
I was on the slope last week! I wish I had watched this video before that :(((( Though, I felt it was easier to increase the edge angle on the steeper slopes.
@reddottx
@reddottx Жыл бұрын
@@Bigpictureskiing Great video Tom. That smile on his face says it all. Advanced skier but not a great carver. Can I expect similar results from a 102mm reasonably stiff ski? 18m radius. Heading to the mountains next week. Thanks
@Bigpictureskiing
@Bigpictureskiing Жыл бұрын
@@reddottx no not from those skis. Rent some narrow carve skis 70mm underfoot or roughly there. 14-16 m radius too
@user-kp6vn1zo9m
@user-kp6vn1zo9m Жыл бұрын
Wow...fascinating video...can't wait to try this! I'm an ex-racer-turned-instructor who has the same problem. My takeaway from seeing this: The inside hand drag causes some leaning (and less upper/lower body separation) so the end result is a carve that is less of a pure railed edge (i.e. has a slight element of steering in it). So the improved speed control comes from (a) a tighter turn shape which means less time in/near the fall line, (b) finishing the turn more across the hill, and (c) a turn that is not a totally "pure" carve means you're actually dumping a little speed through the whole turn. Do I have that right, Tom? By the way this isn't criticism in any way...I'm actually stoked to add this to my skill set. Just trying to see if I understand the "why". I'm going to try it when I go up tomorrow!
@huntergibson9359
@huntergibson9359 9 ай бұрын
A little late to the party, but this is not creating steering in carved turns. This is still "pure" carving. We can see inclination and angulation as dials that can be adjusted independently based on speed, terrain, turn shape, etc. A common issue with these intermediate to advanced carving skiers is that they over angulate. This comes from learning to carve and learning to activate all of the lower joints when we are learning to carve. The reason that the coach wanted to increase inclination and reduce angulation in the video is because both of these skiers were relying too much on angulation for their edge angles. This puts their bodies in a weaker position without having the joints "stacked". That is why they could carve well on lower angle terrain, but when the forces increased on more difficult terrain they began to "fold". By aligning the joints you can achieve the same edge angles with a stronger body position, thus allowing for more performance. Now, here is where it is important to see inclination and angulation as dials. If you try to carve the same turn on low angle terrain with less speed and the same amount of inclination as the students were learning to use on the steeper high speed terrain; you would fall over. Same goes for if you are trying to do very short radius turns while relying heavily on inclination as opposed to angulation. Inclination is simply not going to let you move fast enough. I learned from a very talented course conductor to think of it this way: "Angulation sets the theme for the turn, inclination creates for the fine adjustments within it."
@alexanderpischulin3628
@alexanderpischulin3628 Жыл бұрын
Hi Tom, thank a lot for awsome video. Can you clarify please what kind of ski radius is a best fit for such drills. Is it ok for short radius skis like a slalom?
@Bigpictureskiing
@Bigpictureskiing Жыл бұрын
This is a 15.5m radius 175cm ski. 66mm underfoot so narrow. I find people are on too wide skis these days and it stops them being able to learn to carve. Sure if you’re already and expert it’s fine but mastering carving you want a narrower ski. 12-18m radius in there somewhere and 65-80mm underfoot max!
@alexnelson8
@alexnelson8 6 ай бұрын
@@Bigpictureskiingthis is the 100% correct answer. Wider skis are very fun and can allow for a higher edge angle before you boot out, but the transition between edges is much slower and can take more width to get there. Start narrow and then work your way wider.
@bethodowd5053
@bethodowd5053 6 ай бұрын
How to incline without banking? We used to coach dragging DOWNHILL hand?
@ladyinthelocker
@ladyinthelocker 6 ай бұрын
Me, a skier that is still struggling with parallel turns, nodding at the drills saying “this looks helpful”
@MOWFWDU
@MOWFWDU Жыл бұрын
I have not watched all of this but instinctively, and for the first time ever watching anything you have offered Tom, I think this is putting the cart before the horse. I am really a student challenging the master here, but my best high edge angle skiing has come from driving my new down hill ski away from me like a runner out of the block with symmetrical retraction of the uphill ski. The power I get from timing the turn on my down hill ski and the control coming from the edge angle of my uphill ski creates the angle. If I my hand gets on the snow great, if not, as you guys say "no worries" but reaching with you hand... and when it gets steep? I think you need to clarify.
@Bigpictureskiing
@Bigpictureskiing Жыл бұрын
Watch the whole thing and then comment is what I’d suggest. It’s a drill.
@kuanjuliu
@kuanjuliu Жыл бұрын
Your “driving inside knee” a la Deb Armstrong is fully compatible with this drill, just as any other method of pressuring the ski at apex. I know, because I also practice that method of “stacking” myself over the outside ski - but I also know that I was too scared to try for higher edge angles because I didn’t know how to approach the aggressive inclination (not angulation) needed. This drill changed all that - but I still “sprint” at the apex!
@Osnosis
@Osnosis 10 ай бұрын
And I would note the the “long leg-short leg” is much more apparent at high speed/high slope angle. In general your downhill/outside let’s knee is still bent, NOT LOCKED OUT, but that the inside, driving knee is bent slight more to ‘get out of the way’ of the high edge angle of the outside ski.
@MrSpartanPaul
@MrSpartanPaul 9 ай бұрын
Perfect video for me. I'm a master at carving until things get too steep for my 60 year old legs.
@puregsr
@puregsr Жыл бұрын
I think I focus too much on separating my skis than proper body position of leg extension and flexion, so I'm still putting way to much weight on my inside skis, can't really go that low. I would assume you still feel majority of the weight on the outside skis
@Bigpictureskiing
@Bigpictureskiing Жыл бұрын
Yea but it more comes from turn forces as the ski progressively edges and bends more
@eddiealberton
@eddiealberton Жыл бұрын
I understnd this and love it. Out of curiosity what size ski waist are you skiing on in this video? or what size ski waist do you suggest for the best all around carving ski both short and longer GS?
@alexnelson8
@alexnelson8 6 ай бұрын
Size and weight dependent. But shorter makes it easier. I typically ski 180-185, but on 177 I can lay it over way easier.
@eddiealberton
@eddiealberton 6 ай бұрын
@@alexnelson8 Thanks for the length.. But what I was asking for was what size WIDTH (Underfoot)
@alexnelson8
@alexnelson8 6 ай бұрын
@@eddiealberton he’s on a 175cm, 15.5m radius, and 66mm under foot. He recommended narrow carving skis around 70mm and 14-16m, shorter makes it easier.
@rahkinrah1963
@rahkinrah1963 10 ай бұрын
WOW!
@Bigpictureskiing
@Bigpictureskiing 9 ай бұрын
cool thank you
@willvinci6830
@willvinci6830 7 ай бұрын
What Fischer Ski are you using and what is the lenght . Is it a 165cm slalom ski or the CT model
@Bigpictureskiing
@Bigpictureskiing 7 ай бұрын
It’s the 175 cm CT
@julianscott4682
@julianscott4682 4 ай бұрын
I know I am gonna be that happy someday.
@kristian1977
@kristian1977 Жыл бұрын
Hey Tom, What are you doing with your body that allows you to move inside like that. What and how are to achieve it? Your skiers look to be moving downwards and back vs. moving inside Is that what you want us to do ?
@Bigpictureskiing
@Bigpictureskiing Жыл бұрын
I explain all that I think and do on my bigpictureskiing website and app.
@crimmeyd00d47
@crimmeyd00d47 Жыл бұрын
It helps you by forcing u to tuck the inside (uphill) ski more under the body ( dorsiflexing the ankle). This also helps with pushing the inside ski shin against the boot. ( Which is the feeling when debs a describes driving the inside knee. )....and therefore it's easier for the inside ski to match the outside ski angle wise when going to more extreme angles.
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