Handpan vs. RAV Drum: Identical Scale Comparison, B Celtic and D Celtic Minor (Aura Handpans)

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5 жыл бұрын

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What are the similarities and differences between handpans and RAV drums? They are both made of steel and they both sound amazing, but one has a longer sustain than the other, and there is quite a different character to the sound. In this video we compare the newly updated 2019 RAV Drum with an Aura Handpan in the same identical Celtic Minor scale.
In this video we made 2 comparisons: B Celtic Minor RAV vs. B Celtic Minor Aura Handpan as well as D Celtic Minor RAV vs. D Celtic Minor Aura Handpan, so you will see 4 different pans in this video. This is a literal side by side comparison where we play each pan note for note and compare how they sound.
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@cord11ful 3 жыл бұрын

On 'paper': the Rav should win; never needs tuning, purer sound, long sustain. BUT. Just hearing the handpans (Aura or otherwise) grabs me by the soul and totally captivates me on a much deeper level; time stands till when I hear it. No comparison. (Having said that, I'll still get a Rav for the price point and as I couldn't afford to retune a pan every one or two years, which you have to with the pans.....sadly.)

@eloisebaker1125 3 жыл бұрын

I feel the same

@TompaPocok 2 жыл бұрын

you ust retune handpans? that's a gamechanger feor me... :D how and who can do that?

@ayishamindset1111 6 ай бұрын

I completely agree👌🏽🙏🏽 totally mesmerised by the hand pan the cheapest I’ve seen is almost £400

@dfigravity 5 жыл бұрын

I'm in love with both, but I think the longer sustain (and lower price point) of the RAV are more forgiving for a beginner. Thanks for the video, you guys have made the decision process so much easier!!

@didgeproject 5 жыл бұрын

dfigravity that’s what we are here for. Let us know if you have any specific questions about either of the pans.

@atlantean1209 Жыл бұрын

Aura definitely sounds better. More of a boing sound, if you know what I mean

@Awareness_With_Dennis Жыл бұрын

@@didgeproject are these both tuned at 432hz? your website dont have that info either

@shawnellis6581 3 жыл бұрын

As a newbie who has never played, my ear tended to drift towards the RAV. I was researching Handpans and never considered the RAV before. Thank you for the introduction.

@dertonchirurg3085 3 жыл бұрын

The Rav is my choice, cause of the longer sustain and it sounds more compressed. I like it for meditation music!

@elisabethm9655 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this side by side ...this kind of analysis helps in understanding this new class of instrument. I just received my first handpan - a Rav B-Kurd and I’m working on my strike techniques. I’m glad I went with a rav for my first drum. I really like the clear sustain.

@didgeproject 5 жыл бұрын

Happy to hear it. For most people RAV is a better starter instrument because of its entry price point.

@readerenergy 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks very much for the video guys. It's great to hear the comparison. They both sound nice, though I tend to lean a little more toward the sound of a handpan at the moment. I think as I move further into my exploration, I will like the addition of a Rav, (or I guess more correctly, a tongue drum) to the handpan, to add to the sound depth.

@SoundMtn 3 жыл бұрын

Very nice presentation. Enjoyed learning more about the differences between the two instruments... Such great sound... I lean more to the rav sound...

@williamlopez9261 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this comparison. As someone who is just beginning to explore these drums as a first instrument it was exactly wha I was looking for. In truth I personally like the sound of the handpan better than the Rav drum but not so much that it outweighs the cost difference, durability, and lack of tuning needed with the Rav. I hope to buy my first one in a month or two!

@choschiba 3 жыл бұрын

You really have to have the RAV on your lap in order to feel the long lasting vibration an richness of sound. You can not hear it‘s potential in this video. I would highly recommend to drive to the store to give a try by yourself.

@jasonbaer6341 4 жыл бұрын

To me, a handpan always sounds better than a tongue drum! Doesn't even matter if the quality is bad, the handpan always wins! To bad they cost so dang much!☹

@cord11ful 3 жыл бұрын

Totally agree!

@Pasha_Aeon 4 жыл бұрын

Good comparison! Thank you!

@pawelkoszelak6741 4 жыл бұрын

9:44 he play on Hang Drums not Rav Vast D Celitic Minor Jesus!!!!!

@Ra.Konstantin 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much for the wonderful video!

@RelaxingMusic-xy4jl 2 жыл бұрын

A magical range of sound that resonates with the air and shimmers

@michelbrown1060 4 жыл бұрын

Both sound celestial. . . the hand pan has a fuller sound and it touches my soul more The RAV has a magnific sound also but diffenern and if theu were not one besides the other, it would bu hard to tell. . . But in direct comparison. . The hand pan is, to my taste, fuller, more cosy ? ? more inviting ? ?

@abdellebadabdel9987 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you great comparison (I love your work and your shop). I think that you have to say that people have to try them to have a really better feeling : just the contact between the hands and the polished metal and then the sound vibrating inside our body 🙂 I love my handpan for its particularly harmonic raised with each note BUT I didn't try a Rav so now I want to try it myself to check the differences as the weight the size and his sustain sound. A question : for beginners is it easy to deal with the sustain of a Rav ?

@Zlinky111 4 жыл бұрын

Lovely video. Thank you : )

@myfirstnamemylastname2994 2 жыл бұрын

I just like these DidgeProject guys...

@tomatoplantsgonewild1470 3 жыл бұрын

While I do appreciate the more cost-effectiveness of the RAV, the Aura has a fuller, richer sound to me. My lady's birthday is coming up and while she won't share what she wants, I figure I can't go wrong with either. That said, the RAV seems a bit "tinny" to me but does hold the note for a longer resonance... Decisions, decisions...

@dylanbardin965 3 жыл бұрын

I honestly feel the exact opposite way. The Rav has a more rich and fuller sound because it's got more tones tuned into the tongues. Harmonically it's a fuller sound super watery and flowy. For me the Aura sounds too thin. It emphasizes the upper harmonics doesn't give enough mid or low resonance to me. Reminds me of touristy Hawaiian music. I like each one for what it is but to me, the Aura doesn't sound twice as good. And it should considering the price is twice (if not more) as much.

@karenshelters8197 2 жыл бұрын

I just got the pygmy low e and there is 0 tinniness. I can't keep my hands off it

@toneenorman2135 7 ай бұрын

I feel the same as you. Your lady is a lucky woman. As a small,older woman,I’m trying to decide. I definitely like the handpan sound better,but,the size and easy maintenance ( no tuning needed,I think) has me leaning towards the Rav….🤷‍♀️

@ayishamindset1111 6 ай бұрын

Go with handpan it’s a fuller sound defo I agree the rav is tinny to me also 🙏🏽

@AngieF8 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this detailed comparison, but I just noticed it appears to be labeled incorrectly in the video beginning at 09:45 and again at 09:58 It states "RAV Vast D Celtic Minor " when he is still comparing the Aura handpans. And it continues to incorrectly label the B scale as RAV Vast. Just an FYI, I didn't want anyone disappointed, if they purchase the wrong one, or confused (I hope I am not confused myself, I am not even a beginner yet! I'm just basing my observation on the introduction information.) I Love this information. I too am enchanted by both instruments and can't decide which one, if I exclude purchase and upkeep cost. And I really love this scale. I'm also glad to see you are located in the U.S., which will be easier for me, most of the others I have priced are in Europe. Thank you!🙏🏻

@didgeproject 3 жыл бұрын

If we made a mistake thanks for clarifying. We appreciate all your comments and are happy to answer any further questions. Many RAVs and handpans pass through our hands so are very lucky that we get to handle lots of these instruments. Cheers!

@whitehare5347 6 ай бұрын

RAV is my favourite. Very relaxing.

@atomipi Жыл бұрын

Amazing - One sounds like a charming bin lid, and the other sounds like the lid of a charming bin

@TruthIsNot4Sale 2 жыл бұрын

Happy with the Rav but I like them both of course

@spockadoo1 3 жыл бұрын

Brilliant video thank you 🙏 In you opinion which would suit better to be played with a guitar and didgeridoo through a loop pedal

@marcgregoryneville 3 жыл бұрын

They are both in D Celtic Minor - yes? The video description indicates otherwise. Thank you for this helpful presentation!

@didgeproject 3 жыл бұрын

there are two pairs here: a pair of d celtic minors and a pair of b celtic minors. i will update the description. thanks!

@sumcd6348 2 жыл бұрын

I like them both, but would take a RAV vast in D and the Aura in B

@1029steveo 2 жыл бұрын

To me, its about the "noise elements" that are created in addition to the actual notes. The Aura creates such a pure fundamental tone with clear, well tuned harmonic tones. The Rag tongue construction seems to create more "noise elements" - A small chiff when striking, the harmonic tones are less in tune and create a bit of dissonance when striking. Its sustains longer due to the free vibrating tongue, But it doesn't hold together musically as well as the purer fundamental and partial tomes of the Aura. Of course, depending on the music, A "dirtier" tone may add character and feeling, like adding a distortion pedal to an electric guitar. But for me, listening to hand pan style drums is about the magical purity of tone, and the Aura wins out in this regard.

@didgeproject 2 жыл бұрын

Not sure what you mean by noise elements. Can you explain further?

@rtjacobsen 3 жыл бұрын

Can you not mute the sustain on the rav (or the pan) with your palm or finger? Seems to me you could, it’s vibration through metal, and putting your flesh on a vibrating instrument would typically mute and lessen the sustain. But maybe that kills the overall sound of the instrument? I’m a newbie to this instrument and am genuinely curious, I may be completely wrong. (Closet guitarist)

@didgeproject 3 жыл бұрын

Check out the technique of how to get the harmonics in this video. Its like muting, only better: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/oayhgLRourHQo5s.html

@sergiolonghi1380 3 жыл бұрын

Does every hand pan in D Celtic minor have this particular feature as you show starting from min 4.17? Thanks

@didgeproject 3 жыл бұрын

I’m not exactly sure what you’re asking, but the scale sequence should be the same on any D Celtic minor handpan

@sergiolonghi1380 3 жыл бұрын

Didge Project I mean, the 2 different voices you talked about, and you showed us, one bright and the other one deeper, is this beautiful thing present on every D celtic minor handpans? Can you find something similar also in some other scales or is it just on the D Celtic minor?

@teegees 5 ай бұрын

Thank you for this comparison. The RAV center note sounds an octave higher than the handpan. Is that right?

@didgeproject 5 ай бұрын

No, they should be in the same register

@teegees 5 ай бұрын

@@didgeproject Maybe there are more harmonics in tongue drums than in handpans as it sounds an octave higher to me

@MovingCompanyOwnerAcademy 3 жыл бұрын

does the rav come in 432hz? and if so which is the model? love to get it asap

@didgeproject 3 жыл бұрын

Thomas Truong no it does not but we get this question often. We can get you any aura handpan tuned in 432hz: didgeproject.com/aura

@IdaWhispers 4 жыл бұрын

RAV pan all day!

@MrsSilver21 4 жыл бұрын

Both

@ShakeMyWay 4 жыл бұрын

Is there one that is easier on your hands and fingers than another?

@didgeproject 4 жыл бұрын

ShakeMyWay I think the Hand Pan is a little softer on the fingers. With The Rav drum you need to strike slightly harder

@ChantelStays 4 жыл бұрын

So, is there a difference between rav and tongue?

@didgeproject 4 жыл бұрын

Chantel Wensley rav is a brand, tongue is a style of instrument of which rav is one maker

@ayishamindset1111 6 ай бұрын

Handpan for Me 🙏🏽defo resonates with my spirit 🙏🏽 il pay the extra for the feeling it gives me alone 👌🏽🙏🏽

@scd6969 4 жыл бұрын

would it be possible to manipulate the sustain on the RAV by temporary modifications? such as adding a material you can use to deaden the vibrations a bit? I'm guessing some circular cutouts of some cloth tape, such as gaffers tape or medical tape, both of which will peel off easily with no residual impact... What do you think? If it works, the RAV might offer the best of both worlds.. Honestly it sounds very close with exception to the sustain, and the bass note. For only 1/3rd of the cost, it would be a win-win for me.

@didgeproject 4 жыл бұрын

Some handpan players use foam inserts, attached to the inside of each note, to dampen vibrations, so it could work.

@eduardgercog4422 4 жыл бұрын

You can put a thin cloth over to reduce sustain. Also the price of rav with all taxes, shipping etc comes very close if not the same with a handpan from a maker. I am in UK and can get a decent pan from local makers for the price of imported rav.

@SavvySteak 3 жыл бұрын

RAV Drum is amazing.

@JohnTheFrugalFatGuy 5 жыл бұрын

I'm getting a RAV G Pygmy at my earliest opportunity!

@didgeproject 5 жыл бұрын

Good on ya! That's one of our best sellers

@JohnTheFrugalFatGuy 5 жыл бұрын

Will it have the new border or do I have to wait awhie for the old stock to sell?

@didgeproject 5 жыл бұрын

@@JohnTheFrugalFatGuy We won't be able to answer that until we get the next shipment in. That scale just sold out today!

@didgeproject 4 жыл бұрын

@@JohnTheFrugalFatGuy We have new golden borders on all models

@JohnTheFrugalFatGuy 4 жыл бұрын

@@didgeproject soon, I hope! I think about it all the time.

@shaktiveda7041 2 жыл бұрын

Both have an Impressive sound!!!

@mrdavrosjipo 5 жыл бұрын

the rav is for me

@didgeproject 5 жыл бұрын

Why do you vote for RAV?

@sumcd6348 2 жыл бұрын

What are the prices?

@didgeproject 2 жыл бұрын

See pricing at didgeproject.com/store

@lisasilverman3456 4 жыл бұрын

I want one of each.

@teegees 5 ай бұрын

Is there an A Celtic? That would be the lowest?

@didgeproject 5 ай бұрын

No but there is E low pygmy, that is the lowest rav drum

@86jurica 5 жыл бұрын

Io ho scelto di partire con rav 2 d celtic minor, per 2 motivi : 1 come primo strumento della mia vita ho visto in RAV un opportunità economica alla portata di tutti e 2 ma non meno importante RAV col tempo non perse l 'intonazione, non deve essere aggiustato, è anche più robusto, ma un giorno tra qualche anno cercherò anche di avere un handpan

@jayk6087 3 жыл бұрын

Handpans the tones are distinct more crisper rav has sustain but the tones get too muddled it get shrill.

@itsmetorque 4 жыл бұрын

Very dood video

@jounikorhonen 2 жыл бұрын

A handpan needs to be TUNED?... So I understood from comments. That's a dealbraker since I would have no clue how that thing can be tuned. Handpan has more harmonics in the sound and is more vivid than the more monotonous Rav-pan, though the Rav has more sustain. Some chords from both would have been nice in comparison.

@didgeproject 2 жыл бұрын

Handpans can go out of tune if played to hard. RAV drums generally keep their tuning with normal play. Cheers!

@dylanbardin965 3 жыл бұрын

Rav all the way.

@Matt.777 9 ай бұрын

Aura

@ephicpanama 4 жыл бұрын

I need to get one in 432Hz

@didgeproject 4 жыл бұрын

We can get you an Aura handpan in 432hz

@ephicpanama 4 жыл бұрын

@@didgeproject not for me . I am poor. =)

@mikustar 4 жыл бұрын

I was just thinking this

@2S1L3NT 4 жыл бұрын

The drum by a mile... But I can't afford it!!!

@samonsounds 5 жыл бұрын

@victorbradu90 4 жыл бұрын

Hi guys, I am excited by the sound of the Rav Drum and will definitely play it. It sounds great by its own but I am wondering maybe it can also be beautifully accompanied by other instruments? Please let me know where can I get a coupon code? Regards☀️

@pawelkoszelak6741 4 жыл бұрын

Guys this is Rav Vast not Rav Drum!Original name is Rav Vast;)

@mambamentality2663 3 жыл бұрын

@@pawelkoszelak6741 what's the difference??

@thewaterwarrior9817 3 жыл бұрын

Handpans sound better and are more for music, ravs you have to play slower because of the sustain and are for relaxatuon/meditation. That being said I can't spend 1800 on a handpan!!

@CCSABCD 5 жыл бұрын

Handpan all the way

@didgeproject 5 жыл бұрын

Why do you vote for handpan?

@CCSABCD 5 жыл бұрын

Didge Project i feel it has a more powerful sound and more versatility. The rav it's more monotonous, overall less entertaining i think.

@cord11ful 3 жыл бұрын

@@CCSABCD Yes, I think the pans have more harmonics going on with every strike. Some people hear that as 'muddier', others as more beautifully complex. I'm in the latter camp.