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Hands-On: Payoff Pitch Baseball

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Al Wilson

Al Wilson

Күн бұрын

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@timplum9376
@timplum9376 9 жыл бұрын
thanks Al. Well done review. I want to update the audience just a bit on the new combo (Dice and FAC) version. The rules are combined so its easy to find answers no matter your play style. In addition we reduced the number of charts so that speeds the play just a bit more.
@hands-on-games
@hands-on-games 9 жыл бұрын
Cool. Thanks for the update Tim.
@OBESPRING1982
@OBESPRING1982 4 жыл бұрын
Has anyone incorporated a home brew rule to factor in a pitch out with a base steal situation in play? If a pitch out is called with the runner attempting to steal, would you decrease the steal rating by a letter grade? If a pitch out is called and the runner holds, the likelihood of the batter drawing a walk should increase marginally. How would that be factored in? Maybe if the subsequent action results in a reading from the In Play section of the batters card and a 2d10 roll is an even number with the 1st integer of that number an even number and this number falls outside the In Play number range on the batters card, then instead of reading from the Out section of the card, the batter draws a base on balls? Did I explain that articulately? What do you think? It's just that this game, which I love, and Statis Pro, my other favorite game, both ignore this 'defensive option' for combating steal attempts and I find that to be a short coming.
@DavidA5205
@DavidA5205 9 жыл бұрын
Al, I just started my 1977 Cubs replay with payoff pitch. The player card quality is top notch. Even though they are black and white, they look much better than the pdf sets I have printed. Opening day went scoreless for 14 innings until Cubs won it in the bottom of the 15th on a Bobby Murcer double. Game 2 had the unusual play result from flipping a 0. Backup catcher George Mitterwald was ejected in the 2nd inning arguing a walk. Had to insert starter Steve Swisher who, wouldn't you know it, Homers in the bottom of the inning. Cubs win game two by a 3-2 score with Bruce Sutter getting his 1st save. If I can figure out how to do it, I thought about posting a full game from my Cubs replay on you tube. The only camera I have is my android phone so not sure how well it will turn out. A good game to try it on may be game 4 when the Cubs travel to the Vet to play your Phillies. I am using as played lineups so the first game is Bill Bonham vs Wayne Twitchell.
@ellissimpson9231
@ellissimpson9231 7 жыл бұрын
Clear, comprehensive, and nicely made. Thanks for doing this.
@Grantorius
@Grantorius 9 жыл бұрын
Al: Excellent review as always! Just to add a couple of points: batter cards come with pitching splits or non splits and pdf cards can be printed in colour for those with that preference. Thanks!
@hands-on-games
@hands-on-games 9 жыл бұрын
Grantorius Great points! Thanks for adding!!
@keithhigdon3300
@keithhigdon3300 9 жыл бұрын
Nice review of one of my favorite baseball games. One quick correction. You don't add the DP ratings of the batter and pitcher together. Instead, you compare the 2d6 roll to both ratings individually to determine if the double play occurs. In your case the DP ratings were 6 and 8, so the roll/FAC would have needed to be 6 or less for a DP. Also, thanks for another shout out to the Delphi community. I see a spike in activity over at Table Top Sports every time you do. It's nice to get some new blood over there and your reviews definitely do that.
@OBESPRING1982
@OBESPRING1982 4 жыл бұрын
As I heard him incorrectly describe the DP procedure, I immediately thought to scan the comments to see if anyone would post the correct procedure, as you've done. I might add that the rules provide for the dice roll to determine if the batter reaches on a force out or if the runner advances with the batter out on the ground out.
@billmazon4007
@billmazon4007 8 жыл бұрын
Really good demo you have done!!
@mattdante225
@mattdante225 9 жыл бұрын
Good review; bought the pdf set. Also, nice kitchen, lots of space.
@hands-on-games
@hands-on-games 9 жыл бұрын
matt dante Ha! Thanks Matt. :)
@LoyalsockTownshipVolleyball
@LoyalsockTownshipVolleyball 2 жыл бұрын
Those 1977 Dodgers were the first team I followed (as an 8 year old)... and I remain a Dodgers fan to this day!
@bkrich83
@bkrich83 9 жыл бұрын
Great review Al. Still not sold on the randomness of FAC cards, that might just be me though. On average how long does it take you to play a game?
@hands-on-games
@hands-on-games 9 жыл бұрын
bkrich83 Well, you can always use the dice too. :) It takes about 30-40 minutes to play a game (on average).
@hands-on-games
@hands-on-games 9 жыл бұрын
bkrich83 And thanks for watching and commenting!!!
@bkrich83
@bkrich83 9 жыл бұрын
It's a great channel. Just trying to figure out which one to watch next.
@hands-on-games
@hands-on-games 9 жыл бұрын
bkrich83 Thanks Brian. :)
@timcarroll490
@timcarroll490 9 жыл бұрын
Al, nice video, bud! lot like statis pro for sure, probably going to buy it because of you. I have used soo many of your created parks for Replay and they are the BEST! Also, like your parks for history maker, too. you are the best! Tim
@hands-on-games
@hands-on-games 9 жыл бұрын
+Tim Carroll Wow Tim, thanks for the kind words. Much appreciated!! :)
@DavidA5205
@DavidA5205 9 жыл бұрын
Al. Excellent video. I wanted to get the 1977 season but it is currently out of print so I may order the 1982 season instead. I want the cards without having to print my own. You used a fancy word that I have never heard before when you were describing the game pieces. Specifically, the game mat. I can't spell it but it sounded like "ecoucherments". What does that word mean? Also, when ordering a season set, are the cards in perforated in sheets to be separated or are they loose? Thanks again for the nice video. I bought History maker baseball after watching your video of it. I am on the 1977 white sox replay now.
@hands-on-games
@hands-on-games 9 жыл бұрын
DavidA5205 Thanks David, not sure that I used the word correctly, but accoutrements is just a fancy word for accessories. And when ordering a season set the cards are loose, no separating required.
@DavidA5205
@DavidA5205 9 жыл бұрын
Al Wilson Al, I guess good things come to those who wait. I had been debating about ordering pdf the 1977 pdf season since the printed version was out of stock. Now, they are running a 30% off sale so I picked it up for the great price of $7. For that price, I also added the '69 season. It's a great deal.
@DavidA5205
@DavidA5205 9 жыл бұрын
Al Wilson Al, another question. Do you think the player cards for Payoff Pitch would look better with rounded corners like you made for the History Maker cards? I rounded the corners on my replay baseball cards and they looked good. I tried it on a few strat-o-matic cards and it didn't look right.
@hands-on-games
@hands-on-games 9 жыл бұрын
DavidA5205 Oh absolutely, I think they would look great with the corners rounded!!
@curtisdbird
@curtisdbird 9 жыл бұрын
Al, If I can put you on the spot, What are your top five favorite baseball games?, Also do you play any other sports games, if so which one's are your non baseball favorites ?. Thank you and you are so appreciated. Your passion and respect for the subject matter is very inspiring.
@hands-on-games
@hands-on-games 9 жыл бұрын
Curtis Bird Hmmm, gotta put me on the spot huh? :) As long as you understand that these are in no particular order I'd say my favorite 5 baseball games are History Maker, Payoff Pitch, Statis Pro, Strat-O-Matic and Time Travel. Yep, I play other sports games too. My favorites are probably Second Season Football and Red White & Blue Racin'.
@curtisdbird
@curtisdbird 9 жыл бұрын
Hi Al, just found your channel and have been binge watching it . Your awesome and doing some great work. I was wondering if you could only play 2 baseball board games, which two would you pick. I was thinking of getting a strat and apba board. Right or wrong decision in you opinion? Thank you and keep up the good work!
@hands-on-games
@hands-on-games 9 жыл бұрын
Curtis Bird Thanks for the kind words Curtis, very much appreciated!! The quality of a tabletop baseball simulation game is VERY subjective. One persons gold standard, might be another persons throw away. Some people prefer FACs, some people prefer dice, some people prefer deep detail, some people want to be able to play a game in 20 minutes. Then there are the quality of components, the game play mechanics, the number of seasons available, support for fictional teams, etc, etc. So that said, I would never tell anyone that they made a right or wrong decision with their chosen baseball game. Also, personal opinions and tastes can change over time. But since you asked, I'd probably pick a modern game (History Maker) and a classic game (Statis Pro) if I could only pick two.
@marks.8969
@marks.8969 9 жыл бұрын
This game looks terrific. The "anticipation" of the result between the pitcher's card and the batter's card -- something Strat-o-Matic doesn't offer -- is the essence of baseball and this game might have figured that out. And the lefty/right splits is something APBA and History Maker Baseball almost completely ignore. This seems like the perfect game and what I have been looking for in a tabletop baseball experience. Curious, Al: How does this game stack up against Strat-o and HMB?
@hands-on-games
@hands-on-games 9 жыл бұрын
+Mark S. You are right, this game does a great job of "framing" the payoff-pitch experience - more so than any other game. It's really a neat feature. As for comparing it to other games, that's a tough one. Strat, APBA, HMB and Payoff Pitch are all great games in their own right. HMB happens to appeal to me more than any other baseball game, but it really comes down to personal preference of the game player.
@CptRoboto
@CptRoboto 9 жыл бұрын
Al, do you know what the card size is on these? I was thinking about going PDF first to see if I like the game, but thought I would definitely want to sleeve the players. Thanks for the help
@hands-on-games
@hands-on-games 9 жыл бұрын
CptRoboto The card size for the printed version I showed in my video is is 2.5" x 3.5".
@tirmyta
@tirmyta 9 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review. The cards do look well-made. Computer games are great, but I still also enjoy handling cards and dice. Is this game designed to allow a solo gamer to play without having to try and make decisions for both offense and defense?
@hands-on-games
@hands-on-games 9 жыл бұрын
tirmyta Yes, the game was designed with the solo player in mind. There are mechanics that automate when a player will attempt a steal, or attempt a bunt, so you can play the game from more of a spectator perspective without having to worry about making some of the more tactical decisions for both teams. That said, as the game player there are some decisions you will always need to make like when to remove the starting pitcher for a reliever, etc.
@DiceBaseballDigest
@DiceBaseballDigest 5 жыл бұрын
2 AM and I’m watching this. I will go play a game now. Who needs sleep?
@MrCosmo314
@MrCosmo314 8 жыл бұрын
You really explain these very well. So far, I know want to play History Maker and Payoff Pitch from your demos. If you had to pick, which one do you like better? Believe it or not, I still play Statis.
@hands-on-games
@hands-on-games 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching and for the kind words! I like HMB better, but I'm glad to have both in my collection. :)
@MrCosmo314
@MrCosmo314 8 жыл бұрын
I thought so. I hope you post many more. I will keep watching. BTW, nice kitchen!
@craigmcglone4041
@craigmcglone4041 9 жыл бұрын
After thinking that Strat, Replay, History Maker, and Roster Card Baseball were enough for my collection I watched your video. My wife and wallet sarcastically thank you. Looks like a quick game, which I love. How long does a typical 9 innings take you to play?
@timplum9376
@timplum9376 9 жыл бұрын
Craig McGlone 30-45 minutes depending on the level of stats you keep.
@hands-on-games
@hands-on-games 9 жыл бұрын
Craig McGlone Yep, what Tim said. About the same as any other comparable game on the market. Pitchers duels can be played in less time. Love those... :)
@petergelman2055
@petergelman2055 9 жыл бұрын
Good review.... Question - are there any game play decisions besides lineup? Thank you.
@hands-on-games
@hands-on-games 9 жыл бұрын
Peter Gelman Yes, you can take control of all the normal in game decisions such as when to steal, bunt, go for an extra base, etc, or you can let the game make those decisions for you. It's very flexible. Other decisions you will always have to make for yourself are when to replace pitchers, when to intentionally walk a batter, etc.
@petergelman2055
@petergelman2055 9 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I found the rules online and see what you mean... Thanks!
@DeViLzzz2006
@DeViLzzz2006 3 жыл бұрын
I did not see what happens when there is an error. Can anyone explain all that happens? If there is a video showing that somewhere it would be appreciated. Anyway thanks for this video. I have wanted to buy this for awhile and wanted to see more on this again. Unfortunately for me this company is not in Canada otherwise I would get the printed cards for sure.
@Kevin-Peter
@Kevin-Peter 8 жыл бұрын
Al, great review! can you tell me how does the quick results score sheet work?
@paulwisham5943
@paulwisham5943 9 жыл бұрын
Great stuff! Looks like a fast moving game. Thanks!
@4q207
@4q207 6 жыл бұрын
Hey Al how does this game stack up to Dynasty League Baseball? I'm looking for a baseball game and was set on Dynasty League, but after seeing this demo I'm not so sure. This game has the solo player in mind and is cheaper.
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