Dirty boxing is like the “jazz” of boxing: a little more gritty, unconventional, sometimes improvised, but looks smooth when mastered. Just like jazz however, you have to learn the rules to have the knowledge and liberty to “bend” the rules

As usual, Mike is the best Kung Fu teacher on KZfaq.

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Lomochenko does alot of hand trapping , I use this a lot hit them with a double jab cross or hit them a few times to establish respect for my power to get their guard up , I stand southpaw and use my jab hand to pull down their left while throwing my cross

I learned a lot of guard manipulation from watching George Forman fights from the 70s. In my experience once your opponent feels there guard moved once they stiffen up when you touch their gloves. You can get a free shot once in a sparring session, so you'd better make it count.

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Ramsey Dewey actually did that last one years ago. He'd do it up against the ropes and bend the fool back over the ropes before ripping to the body. I didn't think of doing it in space, still works. Good stuff 👍

Personally, I loved this video because I’ve been doing this stuff for about a year and a half. I don’t think it’s very dirty but rather just a way to find openings

I'm also a huge fan of ZNA, this is genuinely cool to find out. Great video always fun to watch on my lunch break

I've been doing those in my game since I was 14 years old, I'm 52 now and teach those techniques to every kid I've ever coached. Works every time in the cover, particularly when they're on the ropes and being overwhelmed. A craft boxer will set you up with a counter if you aren't watching yourself. Excellent video!!!

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This is great because I am a boxing beginner and have been frustrated trying to find openings. I’m definitely going to try these! Thank you for the video!

Hey this is what I was asking you about a while back. Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us!

In open stance i find the front hand parry-jab combo works well, at least against all the low-mid level folks at muay thai (who don't know much about hand trapping). I also do the forearm jam-body shot combo a lot too, though i probably leave myself way too open.

I absolutely adore first career 70s Foreman. I have been trying to find stuff about handtraps and guard manipulation.

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My favorite one is throw the jab past my opponents guard (to his left) then turn my jab hand to a thumbs down position then hook the fingers around the opponent left wrist. Pulling down the guard then hitting with the straight right. Sometimes this requires a bit of a step out with the right leg to get the angle right

I love pulling peoples hand down and throwing a headkick over the top

Starting @2:18 that entire over the shoulder bit. The camerawork and framing was top notch 👌 dynamic and fluid. Killin it.

Seth and Mike have the best chemistry, ever.

I get a lot of my handtrapping and guard manipulation from Kung Fu, it's very effective & transfers over well to Kickboxing, boxing etc.

I used some of this in my sparring earlier this week. Helped me out a lot, thank you!

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Yoo Mike I've seen you in ZNA's comment section! Wicked to see you wearing his merch. Great vid, bro

Great content as always! Digging the ZNA productions hoodie 👌

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Awesome to see Rob popping up in these vids

I learned a lot of these kind of techniques training krav maga Used them in sambo and kickboxing.

I love the sound effects XD I also love Seth getting overly philosophical

One guard manipulation I like to do against tight guard is to push them to the side at temple hight with footwork and rotation like a hook, which loads me for a nice body hook or lowkick, or even an arm hook to the head if that opens up. It breaks the oponents posture and loads them onto the leg I would want to kick, and the instinct reaction to that shove is to move the hands to where I pushed, which opens the body on the opposite side. Also limits their vision. You can do this pretty light too while being logical, so no hurting your sparring partner.

More emphasis in body work! Pinning the guard high - bodyshot. Drag hand low - he resets high - go bodyshot. Put in the bodywork and the head WILL reveal itself. Edit* it's not dirty, it's technical know-how.

It has always amazed me how most people never think of this My dad started teaching me MA when I was a kid and he always did this kind of stuff, also feet stomping and that stuff

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I do a somewhat sneaky one while we’re just moving. I fight orthodox so I’ll reach out with my right hand & do kind of a pull down parry on their left hand. Then roll an overhand right off of it. The only thing is you have to move your head off the centerline while doing the punch to avoid them rolling their left hook over the pull or throwing a cross. This works much better with MMA gloves but can be used with boxing gloves.

Couldn't like this video enough. Just went over this at our gym. Trevor Prangley's aka up in cda Idaho. Hella good place. Love your videos man

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Blackie Chan! I love when you do collabs.

Great! The technique/teaching videos are always my favorite!

Vasiliy Lomachenko does these constantly, flows from strike to frame to guard manipulation.

"Dirty boxing" is anything that my opponent does that surprises or frustrates me.

I think of "dirty boxing" as a principal of striking which, in some rule sets, flirts with legality or may not be legal at all. It's based on the idea of grappling with the opponent just enough to make openings for strikes, and to keep them from escaping. I wouldn't really call it unsportsmanlike, though it may be considered ungentlemanly by a lot of people.

Rico Verhoeven also uses guard manipulation; he does this by pulling the lead hand forward while using his rear teep.

I was once in muay thai sparring as beginner with another beginner and as southpaw I was trapping his hand with my lead hand a lot and he got angry and said I was cheating haha

Love the ZNA merchandise. Also kudos for Blackie chan for coming back and dealing with u. Lol.

Cool concepts and stuff I saw local kickboxing fight and some guy covered his opponents face with the glove then ripped a uppercut to the body it was so cool

You have brought your face over But not your base over is brilliant

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This is one application where the backfist works. I use it as the lead in for a trap over w/same hand followed by a straight punch w/the other hand to the head. the torque generated by the second hand coming forward helps move the guard out of the way if its done properly. Its backfist, trap, punch. My original karate instructor was great at what you call the dirty boxing.

Icy Mike wearing a ZNA shirt is so badass. Would love a self defense context review of one of his builds

Lomachenko uses that stuff. I like doing it a few times and when they get used to me pulling the hand down i switch up the shot to a bodyshot cuz they always pull the guard back up high.

I love hand trapping so much, this stuff is so cool.

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6:26, that's one of my favourite techniques, I used my lead hand to control their guard, and my rear hand to fire off a hook to the body, followed up with another uppercut to the jaw when their guard opens up.

Dude! We do this! All of this! I call it Harassing the guard with push, pull and punch. That last one with the bar arm, If they lower the guard when you hit low we go high with powerful overhand. We also punch on the way in to the barring arm. Great stuff!

When the jab and tight guard (hands to the face) was first invented it was seen as underhanded and cowardly. Any way you can make the fight more unfair, within the rules of whatever context you’re in, is good.

"he can't move his hands without giving you information on what he intends to do" -- excellent encapsulation of Wing Chun chi sao (sticky hands) concept. I think of the "dirty" in "dirty boxing" the same way I think of it in "dirty rice." Not that its immoral or whatever, but that there's a little something extra in the mix, something spicier than what people usually think of. Alternatively, I'd call "dirty boxing" shorthand for striking styles that are intended for bareknuckle, close-quarters, no rules applications and consequently include techniques (such as grabbing, clinching, trapping, elbows, vitals strikes, etc.) that are not included in the sport boxing ruleset. Dirty boxing styles include Wing Chun, 52 Blocks, Panantukan, Fairbairn-Sykes combatives, Irish/English "fisticuffs", etc.

The last part of the video is the most important part. Some practitioners don't like to explore what's possible and it hinders them from learning. Mike said it best: "You're trying to break my nose." I have to do everything possible to prevent that from happening.

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Creative stuff. It is excellent for setting up sneaky shots that the opponent don't have a lot of time to react to

My favourite technique was definitely the boom boom whoop bap... 😂 cant wait till next week when we get to learn the bing bang shallashallabingbang

I have actually seen that forearm strike against someone's guard used in Shaolin Kung Fu, it is known as "hei hu Tao shin" or "black tiger steals the heart" (and btw yes, I know it's used in other styles idfc) and from what I have seen it is usually applied as you showed in this video where you place your forearm laterally against someone's guard and then deliver strikes with your other hand to the chest or the lower body, this was actually very interesting to see

Awesome techniques.. I love stuff like this.. and posting.. posting and uppercut is probably my favorite

Blackie Chan with his Praised Gloves. 🙂 Then Rob and Seth out of nowhere ❤ That's a mat to be on! This was a cool one, I would love to see Blackie Chan on their channels, maybe more improvised weapons in a DollarGeneral, we love that! Like that movie _______. I can't remember.

XXX rated boxing. Coincidentally I taught some of this last night to my boxers. I like the idea of punching the arm from the inside to open up the face.

If it's bareknuckle, I've found that punching the knobby bones on the sides of the wrist usually makes people reconsider trying a static guard.

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Great group of guys right there!

great collab!

Boxing rules include no backfists, open hand slaps, striking with the wrist (bone), or hammer fist strikes. So the one you use to strike down to open up the hook would be illegal if you were just boxing. Thanks for the video!

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Hah, that's a fun video for me to watch, because many of the things you show here and in "Dirty Boxing Tricks to Frustrate and Tire Your Opponent" video is *exactly* what we do in a martial art that I'm training: yiquan (which I often jokingly say is the most hipster martial art ever, because you probably never heard about it). You can influence the guard in similar way also when the opponent is striking (specifically, starting a strike), as this is the moment when they do become stiff for a brief time, that includes turning them like you've shown in your "dirty boxing tricks" video, pulling them while redirecting (parrying?) the blow, in rare cases also pushing them. Not that it's easy, of course. Basically influencing the guard (that is opening the guard, pushing/pulling the guard) is practiced in "pushing hands" (tuishou) in a numer of traditional Chinese martial arts, although of course there are very few people that train that seriously enough to make it viable. Shame, really, but what can you do. The difference between what we do and what you show, however, is that we do those openings with our forearms, not fists/gloves. I guess you can try this someday when you'll be training with someone with MMA gloves. The secret is the angles really, you don't need to catch the arm or hook it in any way, just forearm to forearm contact can suffice. It's similar of how you went inside the guard on that other video to show that it's easier for you to punch in that situation, and harder for the enemy, because you can hinder his movements when he has the hands outside your guard. If the opponent has a stiff guard, you can unbalance them, if they're too soft, you can just create the opening in the guard, and while it is possible to defend from such movements, it is a rather specific thing, I'm not sure if anyone actually trains such things outside of yiquan.

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Nice boxing tip!

As soon as I heard "this is sort of a scrubby answer," I'm all in.

Beeeeeeen waiting for a vid like this. Thanks Icy Mike!

Thats a room full of cool people (plus Seth) even with ZNAs indirect presence

excellent stuff 👍👍

yeah bro dat looked super dirty. I love it

Funny how it has become a meme that "trapping doesn't work" yet you can see countless examples of it working even with huge boxing gloves on where you can't even properly use your hands for grappling. So that alone confirms it would be even more effective barehanded. People just see the trapping flow drills and don't understand that those are DRILLS, and when actually applied in a fight you would only do one quick hand trap at a time just like you've demonstrated here to create openings for your boxing.

God this channel rips. This shit is so fucking cool. I always get stupid excited when you upload. If I had to define dirty boxing, I'd say it's anything that would make your sparring partner think "what the fuck, dude. Why are you trying so hard?" Things like manipulating their guard, bumping their knees, unorthodox striking in the clinch, not NOT headbutting them when you enter the clinch, that sweaty vertical jab, etc. Also not showering would be pretty dirty. Maybe cleaning a pig pen before class would qualify.

It is dirty, it is underhanded, that's why I love it.

Depends on setting and rules

Repping the ZNA I like it.

I like to combine this with a long guard for boxing, I keep a very active very forward lead hand, sometimes just tapping the opponents glove/guard to desensitise them to my lead hand, then i’ll quickly pull down the hand to land a right cross or hook

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Loma and Tyson Fury use these techniques and more. Basically they are "legal" because you can bump and shove the gloves as long as you are not holding the arms.

I did not see these moves as “dirty” boxing, but rather good counters for the shell-up guard. Once some someone shells-up, you cannot be expected to just stand there until they feel like coming out to fight again. Not using moves like this to break the shell only encourages shelling-up tactics. Great video.

Always thought Loma did the first one so much better and effortlessly than anyone else I’ve seen.

Maybe in boxing competitions it's not something you "should" do, but guard and arm trapping are very useful by other standards like self defence. I don't see it like something bad, but it's not nice. Let's leave it in that If it can be done, it can be avoided too.

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It's not dirty boxing because your technique is so clean, Mike.

Power of the sun in the palm of my glove.

I saw these self defense rings that you should check it out mike

Thank you for the video! ☺♥

I like how Rob from McDojo life just stood on the side like 🧍‍♂️

Goddamn this changes everything.