Gatis Zvejnieks Totally agree! Yes the CC-65 is much better for low current signal. It a shame the clamping jaws are so small! I have not done the voltage compression test before, maybe I will try this another time. Thanks for watching!

@@MechanicMindset Great that someone is taking the time to show that cheaper on-automotive scope can be used in automotive applications. I have some suggestions/ideas for your future videos. Those videos might be interesting for me as an owner of picoscope 2204A. You can make picoscope waveforms more zoomable by using streaming mode. Most of the things I described in this comment can be found in video called "How to capture ZOOMABLE waveforms with Pico 2204A, or Streaming vs Block Modes" by dmitry L. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/lZOHfZSS0Me6c6s.html After using his suggestions picoscope 2204A became so much more automotive friendly. In your videos you only change timebase, but leave "Auto" 8kS per screen, that is built in sample memory for picoscope 2204A after stopping capture you can't zoom in captured waveform. You can click views - > view properties and on the right side of screen you will see how low of a sample rate is used (on slower time bases it will be only several of kS/s instead of advertised 100MS/s). Picoscope 2000A series picoscopes will go to 1MS/s per channel in streaming mode and 2000B series will go up to 9.6MS/s or something similar in streaming mode. Then you can use relatively slow time base, but fast sample rate and later zoom in waveform. But if you go slower than 200Ms/div picoscope software will start to drop sample rate, look at real sample rate in settings and play with time base to get the best zoomability. Another thing is to use "resolution enhancement" instead of 8 bits can use up to 12 bits for better readability. It does not increase vertical precision, but is some kind of digital filter that makes waveform look smoother and easier to read. It can be applied after the measurement is captured and saved in 8 bit resolution, that is the native vertical resolution for all 2000 series picoscopes. "Automotive" picoscopes have 12 bit native vertical resolution that would be one of may advantages in automotive application over 2000 series scopes, the only problem is to justify the price, especially if it is only a hobby. Third thing, you can change number of stored frames to more than default 32. I think maximum is 1000 or maybe 10 000. I have it set to 200. Then you can have lots and lots of frames to go back in history and can zoom in in any of them. All signals in millisecond/div and second/div timebase are slow. That includes ignition, injectors , digital cam and crank sensors. Everything that physically moves in engine is "slow" for oscilloscope. 10 000 rpm is a fast engine speed, but is only 166 Hz, or 0,166 KHz that is nothing for oscilloscopes. All mechanical events in engine are slow for oscilloscope And therefore can be captured zoomable using this method. The only automotive "Fast" signals are digital data traveling in datalines, that would be in nanoseconds/div and microsecond/div range. Here you will have to use Block mode. In this mode you can capture fast signals, but one capture( or waveform screen) is limited to built in memory(2204A has only 8 000 sample memory). Only in block mode you can utilize advertised 100MS/s and capture signals that are in MHz range, and this waveform can not be zoom-friendly. In comparison "Automotive" picoscope has 250 million sample memory, and "Block mode" waveforms can also be zoomed in. It is very easy to make your own "pulse sensor" that works the same as picoscopes first look. All you need is piezoelectric speaker (reused from toy or bought for 10cents new) , put in some pipe. It can be used to measure tail pipe pulses for misfires. And also works for pulses in vacuum, if connected in place of brake booster. Another toy is pressure transducer, that can be used for in cylinder pressure test on a running engine, remove one spark plug put in the sensor. Then graph what how the pressure changes. Pressure transducers can also be used to measure and graph liquid pressure changes like gasoline pressure or oil pressure if you would replace oil pressure sensor with this transducer. I bought a pressure transducer for in-cylinder pressure test a year ago but didn't have time to make adapter for spark plug (old spark plug might be used for that), it also needs 5V reference voltage power source - USB power bank can be used for power. It was cheap (about 10 to 15 usd), but not as plug an play, therefore sits in my toolbox.

Gatis Zvejnieks Wow, thanks for taking the time to share this! Yes I have had a play with capturing waveforms on a longer time base and zooming. I can see the difference when changing the sample rate. That is a good tip, useful for checking slack timing changes where we want to compare time bases at different points. I’ve not heard of this block mode, will check it out. I love the pressure diagnostics, it gives a great picture of inside the engine. Will also have to get myself a piezo pick up and try measuring the exhaust pulses. I see people using 2, one in exhaust and one in intake for a full picture. Some great ideas for me here, will have a play put something together. It really is a great tool this 2204A, for the money! Thanks

Ah good way to remember. Yeah, it wouldn't have been difficult haha! I was pretty impressed with this clamp to be fair. Thanks!

the GADGETS playlist Ah ok, useful to know. Yeah they are great value. I am looking at the Pico TA234 - get around those big cables and probably a better quality output. I use the Pico clamps regularly at work and they are great, apart from the small throat on the small clamp like to mention 👍

Great to hear! I have the Hantek 6022be, and same as you; I don't get on with the software. This Pico SW is awesome, and such a great little scope too! How did you get on with it?

The Hantek software I downloaded about 2 years ago, works okay but no where as good as the Pico SW. I also did the automotive hack for the Pico and seems to work. I’m running it all off a Dell PC running windows 10. I was thinking about getting the Hscope SW but I believe that is for Android device and don’t have one. Now that I have the Pico 2204a I feel that will be my go to scope. Just might get a laptop for more mobile use.

@@stevenzembriski6761 Cool, laptop would be useful to get inside the car. I am interested in HScope Automotive. I bought a tablet but really can’t get on with Android being an iPhone guy; I sent it back 😂. Might look out for a cheap second hand unit and be less invested in the tablet itself 👍

Yeah I hear you. I am a iPhone IPad guy too. I wish there was more automotive software for MAC

@MechanicMindset I'm using a Panasonic toughpad running ubuntu, Pico 2204 and various Rotkee and Hantek probes etc. Good setup

Nathan Thomas Burke Yeah for sure! To be fair I was surprised the CC-650 actually output a representative signal for the coil and injector. Just testing 👍

Yer defo, I'm surprised watching it it could get such a good response. Had much experience with relative compression testing with this clamp

TheGibby3340 Yeah, just seeing how good this is for the lower current measurements; and the CC-65 won’t go round a battery cable (for current draw). It is clearly not suitable for low current measurements and the 100mA setting seems a bit of a gimmick. What I will probably end up getting is the 30A TA234 from PicoScope. 👍

Thanks! You considering a purchase?

Most modern laptops will suffice. Of course the higher the specs the better it will perform for taking long captures. I’d say atleast 4gb RAM. 8 is better. Any modern processor. An a proper hard drive (not these small laptops designed for web browsing and basic office programs). This here is an old high spec Dell.

Thanks for watching. For sure, I did a video just before this; full relative compression on good engine, dead hole and small compression leak. I just did this video to see how far we could push this 650A clamp - surprised me to be fair! 👍

@@MechanicMindset OK, thanx! I'll go look for it.

Hi, i do t think there would be. Just different connections

Hi, no changes need for the Pico software recognise the Hantek clamp; the clamp simply outputs a voltage. You can create a custom probe to get the correct amp reading. I think o just used the voltage measurement in this video. Glad you enjoyed the video! 👍

Bleebleblahble88 Yes they would, this scope doesn’t seem to have the filter function like the Pico Automotive (and others) do. Re. jumper cable, the ignition coils and injectors (12V) tend to have a common power supply i.e one fuse for multiple components, and ground switched at the ECU, so no where for the jumper cable. On other components with a dedicated fuse, for sure! Get that clamp out of the EMF for a cleaner signal 👍

Hi, thanks for asking the question! This video has plenty of life in it 😂 I use the Pico clamps at work, I don’t notice any major difference but I have not tried it side by side. I also have the 65A Hantek clamp, need to do a video. Some people say the Hantek clamps are a bit noisy ey but I don’t think they are that bad. To be fair, the Pico clamps aren’t that expensive. Although I’d like to give the TA234 a go - fits right round a battery cable for battery drains 👍

@@MechanicMindset I would love to see a video on the low amps clamp ( and a comparison too if possible) I'm new to scope use and your videos are great, thank you

@@andyguest6543 Will see what I can do. Glad you are enjoying the channel! Thanks

Nidal Alrifai Thanks! For sure!

Hi, yes you can add a custom probe. Or you can copy the Pico probe and edit the details to match the Hantek clamp. You will have to set up 2 probes; one for each amp clamp setting

Glad you enjoy the videos! As far as I know, it’s not possible. The Pico scopes are better too 👍

@@MechanicMindset i agree.....but too late 😒i'm already bought Hantek 1008C....😔i mean it's not bad but software from pico is stuning💪🏻btw thanks and go on. 😉💪🏻

@@nikik89 Hantek is a great one to start with, lots of peoples first scope. thanks!

You're welcome!

Awesome, great tool for the price! Yes you can set up a custom probe by clicking the add button in the probe menu. Then use the look up table to put the mV/Amp conversion in there. Edit one of the existing amp probes to see how the lookup table works 👍

That is unfortunate! How are the batteries? Are they definitely outputting a voltage? Remember, all the scope is doing is measuring the voltage created by the clamp.

You don’t have to, but you can set up a ‘custom probe’ so the scale reads amps instead of volts 👍

Hi, yes it still works fine with 2204a. Pico 6 or Pico 7 👍. Just remember to get your software from picotech.com, and not PicoAuto.com

@@MechanicMindset thanks Darren 👊🏻

Good question, thanks! The Hantek clamp will work with any oscilloscope (Hantek, PicoScope, Autel, UScope etc). The Hantek amp clamp connects to the oscilloscope using the BNC connection. See more amp clamps here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/or-kipllvpObh58.html

No I don’t, I just use normal Pico 6 in ALL my videos; it’s the same really 👍

Hi, I think one comes with leads and the other without. They’re not automotive leads anyway so should be good with the cheaper one. Get the Hantek leads 👍

@@MechanicMindset thank you and thank you for your excellent videos. You're a brilliant teacher. Unfortunately the hantek cables are no longer available :(

@@dann2707 Keep searching on Amazon and eBay, they might be under a different name too. Just search automotive oscilloscope cables. You’re welcome and thanks for the feedback! Great to have you on the channel 👍

Hi, it depends what you are testing. For relative compression/starter motor use the 60A mode. For smaller things like fuel pump, use the lower setting. I thought it only has 2 setting?

Thx a lot but could i just using cc65 measuring relative Compression in 60A mode?

@@sweetjordan4868 No, max current for CC65 is 65 amps, and the clamp won’t fit around the starter cable 👍

Der Waldmeister Haha, only testing out the limitation of this clamp. Clearly you would buy the 65 amp version, but not everyone would know this. As you can see, the video is a test of the clamp, not an in depth diagnostic video. But hey, I did pick up a reading which is better than nothing!

@Der Waldmeister - Why so rude? Seriously man, chill out.

Stay off the beer lad