True the rival does have sway bars, and no i didn't spot it had a center diff, makes it an even better deal. Was super super impressed with the Rival that is for sure - i actually think its the bargain of the year

@@HardcoreRC Certainly is a lot of truck for the money. Took me quite some abuse to break an A Arm.

I've had mine since March took more abuse than anything else in my collection. It's by far the best the in class (out of box durability wise) as far as 3S capable 10th scale MT's go. Surprising for an OEM, tbf, but apparently the Helion was just as good. Not sure AE have 'improved' anything though, I see a slightly different rear wheelie bar design and some stuff annodised in blue. I've set about building a second one with all uprated parts :D

I broke my a arm within the first 15mins of bashing☹️ got rpm’s on there now also my esc unstuck. One of the pins that go through the arms bent, I did land a dodgy back flip though. I do enjoy the truck, but my big rock is much better in my opinion.

I would say the associated by far actual real diffs the arrma plastic diffs garbage they last for a while but once they strip it seems to have nothing but problems after

Thanks - its a great truck, my only regret is not getting one sooner 👍 i was going to get the Helion Avenge MT10 2 years ago, but bought a Kraton 6s instead.

Yeah the Rival is very very good, lots cheaper then the Granite in the UK, more durable, center diff and has lights - win win really

Brought my of ebay delivered to Australia 🇦🇺

@@craigcartwright6543 No cheaper than a locally bought Arrma here in NZ even if I got it off ebay. Shipping and GST kill it. Better to stick to the LHS here.

That's a shame, but i do know how that feels, lots of cars we see and would like and they never come to the UK. Wise move putting the Granite tires on the Big Rock as those stock tires suck, the better tires really finish the Big rock off in my opinion

I was worried after your comments, but it took everything we threw at it, apart from the wheelie bar, but that was a big hot so wont moan about that. Think they likely using better quality plastics now

Even i was surprised how well it did, in horrible weather as well

Thats ok - great truck and as you now know you can get spares 👍👍 glad we could help and thank you for watching 👍👍

Thank you

Its a great all round basher, and very good price, especially as the Arrma Granite has just gone up in price again

@@HardcoreRC Wow again? Glad I got my vorteks when it was on sale. Great content on your channel, subscribed.👍

@@ADITADDICTS Thanks for the sub 👍👍 wanted a Vorteks, but just can bring myself to pay the $574 it costs in the UK

@@HardcoreRC Totally understood. I got lucky and found mine on a auction site, paid $200 u.s. I ordered the outcast last night from that site but we'll see if it actually shows up lol. Cheers!

Hehe same, 5th scale are just so much fun, still like the 10th scale for the skate parks though

Fitting the rear wing really helps protect the back, also makes it look great as well - i did a video on how to fit it: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jsyPoK5hqZ-rimg.html

Thanks - loving the MT10

Thanks - in fairness the Granite isn't stock, it has RPM arms and big bore shocks, Rival was straight out the box. But the granite is super tough stock due to its short chassis and A Arms over the Bog Rock. Your Model shop is missing out not stocking the Rival, show them this video and change their minds 😂

Yep they are very very good cars, and for the money dont think they can be beaten

Yep i cant argue with you, for the price its hard to ignore

Thanks - what did you get ? Rival did really good, have another car coming tomorrow 😎😎

@@HardcoreRC Yeah it's a beast! a small light basher would be a nice change from a big heavy one.. Picking up tomorrow 2nd hand but they look very nicely maintained compared to others I've seen and the 4x4 slash I got. Tried to get stuff they use at the tracks I went too. Avoided a buggy originally as had that style when a kid but is what most people race, So got a 1/8 Serpent Cobra 2.0 with nice esc, motor and remote that's compatible with Kraton so can ditch the rtr one. Plus parts and a clear body for as much as the kit costs by itself and similar situation with a SCT Losi 1/10 2wd which is common style at the other smaller track down the road. So should be very differnt than current one's :)

@@brei.z Sounds great, yeah buggies tend to be what people race the most, you should have a blast 👍👍

Thanks - we got proper wet on this one, but needed to give you guys some content 😂 plus it was a blast with the Rival, such a great RC. Also had to keep Kev's fan entertained with their challenges 😂😂

Thanks - Kev needs some hungry pay back 😂😂

You should love it as a great car, just bought another Team Associated Car as well - really likely what they are making and their pricing is great as well

You went 4ft off ground and snapped chassis on the Rival ? can only think it was defective we have give our one some real abuse and only did the wheelie bar from a real bad hard landing

@@HardcoreRC exactly. Neither the shop or Team Associated were interested. Now i have rebuilt it though it is awesome. My wife has the grantie too so ive seen the comparison first hand.

@@adrianpilbeam7403 That's a shame, must have been defective if all ok now, that or just a funny bad landing that stressed it in a perfect way to break

Its never too late 👍👍 hope you find as tough as everyone we know that has one, definitely our favorite 3s basher

Thanks - the weather was HORIBBLE 😂😂 its a seriously good RC and at a great price as well

Hehe thanks 👍

Granet easier to get parts in store . Ordering on line hard work alot and to many porch pirates. 😢

He does have a distinctive laugh, i can understand a lot about ordering a car will come down to parts availability, nothing worse then having a car you cant fix , had that issue with my Kronos XRT sat on shelf of 6 months as couldn't get the parts

Durability wise i would have to give it to the MT10, its just tougher over all. Both great cars though and which ever someone buys they will not be disappointed

@@HardcoreRC do you have a favorite toughest 1/8 scale? I admit the granite needs its slipper set and maybe loc tited and it’s been great other then tires!

@@chrisd933 Basher wise it would have to be the Kraton EXB with a few tweaks

Certainly a great little car

I have both the rival is more durable but the granite is more unhinged for jumps and stunts

@@jackpoole6120 Good to know.

Thanks for the donation that helped to buy this truck 👍 the Rival is seriously good, i haven't had to work on it yet so cant comment on that side, but it looks easy enough to work on, also comes with a center diff vs a slipper clutch. Granite in this video did have some upgrades in RPM arms and big bore shocks, the Rival was right out the box. Have a second video im editing currently checking speeds and also i get to drive it - can it be dad proof 😂

The support from associated is top notch 👍 communication over email/phone and parts availability is great.

Rain or shine, Sundays are fun days 👍👍👍

Your welcome, your timing was perfect. Was super impressed with the Rival and at its price point - wow. Both great trucks though

@@HardcoreRC if you could pick one which would you go for. But saying that you've had me somewhat sold on the road rock/big rock for awhile

@@380shortfuse If i had to pick one - oh thats so hard, they are both very good, so it would really come down to personal choice on looks and cost - which ever you go for i really dont think you will be disappointed

@@HardcoreRC thanks very much really appreciate your opinion cheers great content aswell 👍

Loving this truck and thank you for the donation which help to buy it 👍 only managed to break the rear wheelie bar and a turn buckle rod end, looks like the Arrma 3s one fit there 👍 thanks for the info on the arms. could you not just use HSS 3mm rods and cut to size for the hinge pins ? cheaper and stronger than stock www.ebay.co.uk/itm/222453717137?hash=item33cb465891:g:~lIAAOSw889d53J2

@@HardcoreRC Yes a 3mm drill rod or dowel pin works. I ordered 3mm x 60mm pins. 316 stainless, titanium or any alloy steel will do.

Yeah it was pretty close - the joy of being the camera man, been hit a few times now 😂

Yeah these are great truck, cant get the Kaiju over in the UK 😥 yeah we normally have some young kids that come out with their dads as well, so good to see them driving around at such a young age

@@HardcoreRC My son has been driving by himself my RC vehicles since like a year and a half now. He drives better than me sometimes 😅

@@joseCalderon1976 yeah that's why i let me boys do most of the driving now, when i drive it normally starts to get expensive 😂😂 great to get them involved at a young age

LOL, yes they are both great bashers and you will be happy with either. It would really come down to price and spare parts availability where you are. In the UK i would edge towards the MT10 more as its still a fair bit cheaper than the Granite, in the USA though they are closer priced so it then just spares and your preference. Durability wise the MT10 is tougher

@HardcoreRC , I'm leaning towards the Granite due to the parts availability. Arrma products are popular in my area so the local hobby shop has a lot of parts for the Arrma vehicles. Prices are very similar. I also like the way the Granite (and apparently most of the Arrma vehicles) is built in modules...seems like they were built with ease of repair and service in mind. Thanks for the response. Just found your channel. Definitely gonna check out more of your library.

@@Captain_Yodelstein Spares availability is a key reason on what car to get, the Granite is a very good car, was the first Arrma we bought and still a firm favourite. Hope you like the channel, been a bit quite on videos currently as real life work has been crazy busy so not getting the time to edit and the weather has been shocking

We have the New Kraton 4s coming, but the size difference between the new 4s cars and the Rival is huge, the new 4s cars are pretty much the same size as the 1/8th cars.

@@HardcoreRC ya the rival is a tiny 1/10 mt, I'm waiting for the sales so I can try to pick up the outcast for a lil less.

Thank You 👍

Very good and durable truck, a worthy addition to anyone fleet

We go out a lot with Kev, so yeah you will hear him in some of our videos 👍

Thanks - this summer sucks big time, have to get wet just to have fun, need to get me a boat 😂😂

Agreed!

I would still say the Rival MT10 due to its better durability, center diff, sway bars etc, although will also depend on what parts availability is like where you are

RPM make arms, and then there's all the left over Helion parts, couple that with AE 'supporting it', this mean you'll be able to get parts for a good time to come but you may also find yourself 'waiting' for stuff as AE take forever sometimes.

Have to live up top our name 😂😂 in the Uk i would say the spares support is better than Arrma or Traxxas currently, for 3rd party support, outside of the RPM A-Arms i really dont see what else it needs. Stock radio does look a bit cheap but had no issues with it, just your run of the mill RTR radio really - certainly better than a Dx2 😂😂

Thanks - Rival is a great car and for its price, wow, just wow

And the price 😎😎😂 both great 1/10th scale 3s rigs though

Yep, one or if we break and amr we will put the RPM ones on, then i just cant see what else we could break

I did think about it, but the max is way bigger, i dont really class it as a 1/10th, with the wide max kit on its pretty much the same size as the Arrma Notorious. and costs twice as much as a Granite and almost 3 times as much as the Rival 😲 Maxx is a great truck though

Dont have a Redcat or the Hoss, but out of the Bigrock and Rival MT 10 i would recommend the Rival MT10, its more durable, comes with way bars, center diff and lights

@HardcoreRC also looking at the Granite everyone swear bye it. From my research the center diff is a selling point for a lot of trucks so is accessibility to upgrade swap replace parts. 🤔 the hoss has all that but is slower than almost any other 3s 1/10 truck trying to find a middle ground any 3s truck you have $550 dont have any other rcs what you buying today? (550 for truck ,battery and charger )

@@miguel360kmc Only real difference between the Bigrock and Granite is the chassis lenght and tires, i prefer the Granite out of those two, mainly as i dont like the stock BigRock tires. Personally as long as spares are available i would get the Rival MT10, its just the best all round package and value. Everyone i know that has one or has tried one swears by them

You pretty much nailed it, not sure why the Stampede costs as much as it does

Thanks - yep that must be more stable round the bends now, bit like fitting a wide max kit to a Maxx

@@HardcoreRC defo i fitted the upgraded arrma axels too £40 a pair but stopped them popping out now definitely the best 3s out for now

@@miketube6662 Granite it good, but seriously the Rival is just as good and cheaper

Hehe thanks 👍👍

It sure is a winner, all the other reviews were not lying 👍

Ditto, love the Granite and the Rival is very good as well

Thank you for watching and no disrespect taken at all, makes a nice change to have people actually concerned about things being taken the wrong way on social media, if only everyone was so polite, so i take my hat of to you for that 👍 i would agree the MT10 is the better car, do like the Granite, its just the MT10 is better and cheaper in the UK as well

Thanks - really like the MT10 - hoping the MT8 is as good

@@HardcoreRC yeah might need to get one in the future

One of the wheels was a little out of balance, all sorted now though

Thanks

Indeed they are 👍👍

Im going to be doing a view on that soon, but the Maxx is a lot bigger than both the Granite and Rival, the Maxx is pretty much same size the a Amrra Notorious

Yes 3s and stock system

Love them both, we are really torn between the Granite and the Rival MT10 - its so tough to decide between them

@@HardcoreRC quite interesting to know has I ain't got mt10 👍👍

@@Shaunusprowire1748 The Rival MT10 is a very good RC

Dont have a Rustler so don't know what they are like, but in all honesty nothing really beats the Rival MT10 for durability in the 1/10th scale size

@@HardcoreRC thank you

Both same speed, i would say the Granite is likely stronger due to its short chassis and A-Arms

first thing i would check is your end points, make sure when turning to the left the servo isn't straining and trying to pull the steering past when it ends

@@HardcoreRC Thanks

Glad you enjoyed it

That's what the boys were trying, double front is not easy, especially in such wet weather

Thank you, glad you liked the video

To be honest most C ratings on Lipos are just a total lie, that being said i would suggest making sure they have at least 50c printed on the lipo

@@HardcoreRC would I be ok putting an 80c/100c battery in it? It wouldn't blow up the electrics or anything?

@@willeymunda No you wont blow anything up, you can never have too much C rating

Hehe, its either that or just not get to play, its pretty much rained every single day this summer bar i think 2 weeks when the sun decided to come out and play

Super Little beasts 😂

Not really as the Big Rock ha a longer wheel base, also in the UK the Rival MT10 is only $375 where as the Big Rock and Granite are $466 The main things though is that the Rival MT is more durable and also comes with a center diff, don't forget the lights as well 😂😂

@@HardcoreRC ok from that point of view you are right. I like Team Associate, I had in a long time ago an TA B4 Stealth 2 WD Buggy for racing on a track, that was nice. The time without all of the amazing brushless power :) Now I want to buy a basher for the city, skatepark etc. (for my little son and me). It should be not too fast but fast enough that I became a little smile and I want tuning parts, I like to change parts to upgrade the rc car. I know it is expensiv and not really needful. The TA MT10 sounds good, but I want to check all altnatives incl. spare parts accessability in my country (Vienna/Austria(Kuhlimuhs)).

@@gweepgweep8729 Yes deffo check for parts availability and price, the TA MT10 is by far the most durable in our view, but the Amrra 3s line are also very good, and were our top 3s basher before we tried the MT10

@@gweepgweep8729 The only real weak point on the MT10 is the arms, so check if you can get the RPM arms for it were you are.

@@HardcoreRC Thank you for your tips. I will check it out. I also look at the Arrma Vortex, but I'm not sure if it is really good to have so much speed. It sounds good, but a better control of the car is more useful than speed. On youtube i've seen the rc cars rollover every time on high speed. They run allways out of control. More rollover, more coast of spare parts :)

Oh they did a bigger one, i wish they also still made it if as good as the MT10

@@HardcoreRC want me to find you a link for a video to see what its like?

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/a7BpeZVjveCUeWg.html

They came stock 4s but the truck can easily handle 6s, just esx and motor swap

Indeed - all the Arrma 3s cars are good, but the Rival is just as good and cheaper, plus comes with sway bars and a center diff - oh and did i mention the lights 😂😂

Its been crazy this year, pretty much rained every single day of the summer 😥

Yep have to say the rival bang for the buck cant be beat i don't think, normally when i watch and comment on a giveaway i say if i won pass it on to someone else, but om Tomley one for the Rival i also wanted to win it 😂😂

@@HardcoreRC haha I totally know what you mean about that lol. His was looking too good to pass up

Yes 2 years ago the Granite was £259 ($336) and is now £379 ($492)

If i was choosing between the two and could only get one - it would be the Rival MT10, love the Granite but cant ignore the price difference, centre diff and lights

@@HardcoreRC actually here in Canada the mt10 is 2 dollars more than the granite at 420 canadian doll hairs. Plus i would rather have the team associated sr10, what a beast you fellas should get your hands on one of those. It looks like an old Monte Carlo.

@@WoodsUnknown Wow that price surprises me, looks like you get a far better price on Arrma than we do, the Rival is about the same on conversion, but the Granite in the UK is CAD 574. Just bought a DR10 😎😎

would have to agree if im honest 👍

its 6 of one and half a dozen of the other - both very good cars

It is a very very good truck, and for its price point wow is all i can say

I know aluminum shocks brushless 3s lights amongst other good features

I meant i want one lol

Big Rock is similar to the Granite, but just a tad longer and wider, but has shockingly bad stock tires, Big Rock is actually the same as a Typhon apart from the body, hex size and wheels

@@HardcoreRC thanks, trying to get back into the hobby and haven't decided what to get yet. Haven't had a hobby grade RC in 20 years. The videos are great . Looking at 1/10 scale mainly ...possibly a 1/8 Kraton EXB but can't decide.

@@seanlawrence972 My suggestion would be to start with a good 1/10th scale and get used to driving and jumping it with the air control, then step up to a 1/8th scale 6s car. this shows the main arrma 3s cars next to each other: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/btGCfLSW3tfagWw.html I am super impressed with the Rival MT10 as well, bang for your buck dont think you can beat it

Likely as the Granite has been reduced to clear stock as its been discontinued - well it has in the UK at least

Hehe, Kev doesn't sell the parts anymore, but these two are real tanks and take some serious abuse

@@HardcoreRC Oh true, I just got the Arrma vorteks, to much power on the 3s haha

No, as the Big Rock is slightly longer than the granite.

Its a tough call, love them both, but think the Rival MT10 pipps it, it comes with sway bars, center diff and light s and is £50 cheaper. I also forgot to mention the Granite has upgrades in RPM arms and big bore shocks, Granit is still a great truck stock though

@@HardcoreRC Cool thanks for the info 🔥👍✌️

The Rival also has a center diff unlike the granite

It sure was that day 😂😂

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I can never say that word, and its coming up a lot in my job - like i struggle to say Pepperoni as well 😂😂

It does look good on paper, the real test will be when it arrives, if its as good as the MT10 then they are on to a winner, although that is 1/8th scale

MT10 is really good, i had a go this week and loved it, so easy to drive as well - hope to get that little video up soon

@@HardcoreRC ill be waiting haha

Personally i would go Granite over the Big Rock, just prefer the shorter wheel base and also the tires, the Big Rock stock tires suck big time

@@HardcoreRC yeah totally agree with the tyres and I guess the shorter wheel base helps in the air 😎

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Cant get the Kaiju in the UK unless its imported and then no parts support, heard it is good though

@@HardcoreRC Theirs plenty of vids on the Kaiju breaking pretty easy, Rcunexttuesday has a Kaiju that they broke to easy a few times. Ask them about their experience with their Kaiju, on the other hand they to loved their Rival MT10 & thought it one of the toughest 1/10 trucks.

@@gillian9178 I did wonder what happened to RCu's Kaiju, saw them run it once and it break, then waiting for parts as cant get in the UK, guess its not bee out since. Rival is a beast, punching way above its price point that is for sure

Not in most countries outside the USA. Granite is $492 in the UK vs MT10 at $375 Amain Hobbies in the USA have them both at the same price Also doesnt distract from the simple fact the MT10 is far better, more durable, center diff, lights, metal diffs gears, sway bars to name a few bits

Not convinced on the Big Rock, hence we turned it into a speed runner. the stock tires just suck so bad on it and no different to a Typhon 3s really. Its a good car but need to change the tires so that adds to overall cost

@@HardcoreRC everybody has there own opinion I believe it's 3s king on durability. And when you guys going get one of those carbon fiber chassis , it's a excellent product check them out I know for a fact you'd be able to get more height and speed on that long jump. You got 80ft to beat 😉

@@BNIRc Dont get me wrong the Big Rock is very good, just the stock tires suck, its also the same as the Typhon bar the body and hex size, all the Arrma 3s cars are good as all based on same platform. Love the look of that Carbon chassis but wont be spending £250 for it (which is how much it would cost to buy, ship and pay the import on for it)

@@HardcoreRC what if you only had to spend 150$ ??? I really want to see one go off the long jump ramp , and the hardcore boys put it to the test.

@@BNIRc If could get for $150 and didnt have the M2C chassis already probably would have considered it, but to get to UK including shipping and import tax/duty it would be pushing close to $400

What would you call normal use ? no offense but, curious who you think would watch a video of an RC car driving round a field or doing little jumps for me to then spend 20 plus hours to create the video and earn £10 from 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

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