The fact that Steve went so far as to delete his old video which he was getting a lot of views from because the video is now outdated is sheer proof of the dedication of this guy. As always a great comparison video. Great work Steve. Keep up the good work

Just got a 7800x3D. In my country, the 7800x3D I just got was $619, and a 14900K is $1049. Absolute insanity to buy a 14900K if you are a gamer.

50% power for 2% performance? i see no reason TO do that, on the contrary

when you get older, you will prefer efficiency on everything.

I upgraded from a 10850k to a 7800X3D. My room is a lot cooler now after 4 hour gaming sessions and that's what has made me the happiest of all.

Every time I watch a video like this, the difference in power consumption for gaming always leaves me shocked. Thanks for your effort Steve!

the 9800X3D is gonna be a monster

This Intel mess is not inspiring confidence.

That 7800X3D is a marvel of performance and energy efficiency, it performs much more than the 14900k in games while consuming only 1/3 of the energy

Just bought 7800x3d. Such a beast!

At this point, I wouldn't consider a 14900k for anything. 7950x will be the same at productivity workloads and at higher resolutions get the same FPS in games while consuming less power and being more stable. 7800x3d will beat it in pure gaming.

So if I want to upgrade it’s about the same price to get a 7800 X3D and AM5 mobo as it is to get JUST the 14900k. Even though I’m already on LGA 1700… the incentive to switch to AM5 is massive.

11:52 I think it's worth to mention that in 2 of these cases, x3d could do more fps, so the GPU pulled more.

Forget Arrow Lake. Just wait for the next X3D monster!

I just got a 7800X3D from Microcenter for $204 😮 with their grand opening sale for the Charlotte NC store when bundled with mobo and ram. And holy shiz its fast my I9-10850k is now a living room PC with a new Arc770!

So glad I switched to AMD 7800X3D.

I'd like to see a 14900k restricted to the power draw of a 7800x3d. Calculating Performance/W is one thing, but actually seeing it would be really interesting.

Cannot wait for Review Ryzen 7 9800X3D and Ryzen 5 9600 when released :)

9800x3d will repeat history again. At worst same performance as i9 with half the price and efficiency and at best 30% faster performance.

I just did a new build(due to my power supply killing my mb & gpu). My last 3 builds(over 10 years) have all been Intel because I had stability issues with AMD. Now, for the very reason I left AMD, I've left Intel and gone to a 7800x3d build. I had also been doing water cooling because of the heat generated. Now I've gone back to air cooling with the lower power demand and temps that the AMD has. I was able to save enough on a MB/CPU combo, and a $40 Assassin 120SE air cooler- that I was able to afford a 4080 super. I have run 3dMark benchmarks, stress test, and played a few games(3440x1440 144mhz) and my max cpu temp has been 76c with all stock settings...I'm very happy with the cost to performance.

when you see the power consumption its wild considering how often the x3d is running the GPU harder. intel dropping multi threading from pCores hasn't been explained like its been done for power consumption reasons either. hopefully the eCores have improved their efficiency a lot.

Now I hear that Intel says the CPUs have a microcode error, fixable by a BIOS update. The cynic in me says the code change will simply throttle the CPU.

Hardware Unboxed always on point. Excellent work!

You guys should totally do a video showing the advantages of undervolts on the 7800x3d!

I Undervolted my 7800X3D and it uses at max now 78W, much less while actually gaming. Imo Intel is not saying out loud that you need to lower the PL1 and PL2 because they would lose even more to amd in the gaming sector.

got my 7800x3d a week ago paired with a 4080 super and it's a killer!

Appreciate the excellent game selection of all modern and new games!!

When building earlier this year I went the 7800X3D route - it seemed more performant, used way less power, was simple to cool and less than half the price of the intel chip where I live. It was a no brainier! Watching this makes me happy I went the way I did 😊

I9 14900K= 250W R7 7800X3D= 75W

But where is the 5800x3d in all of this?

Now thats content . Put in some work ! GJ 👍

This needs to be done. THANK YOU!

Thank you HWUB for using the 7800X3D instead of 7950X3D, giving even better showing for AMD since 7800X3D is totally different price range than 14900K, for gaming in particular. Such value for gaming hasn't been seen until AMD introduced their X3D lineup back in the day... Not even regarding these updated results with performance profiles for Intel, the 7800X3D is an absolute gaming beast.

My 7800x3d comes in today! Moving on from a 12400f. Never in my life would I thought Id be switching to AMD, my first build was 12 years ago and have always used Intel. 7800x3d is just to damn good of a chip to pass on

thanks for retesting!

Truly disruptive performance indeed. Intel can't handle the 7800X3D even with the 7200 CL34 memory. Thank you so much Steve. Thumbs up! Now, Arrow Lake vs 9800X3D, this will be good.

Amazing work Steve, just like another Steve. And I've come to watch your video fast!

Please consider adding X4 foundations to your tests, it would be super interesting to see how cpus manage heavy games like that

I was waiting for this.

I greatly appreciate the structural framework of your videos. I appreciate the time and effor that goes into them. Bu I must confess, in most cases I simply skip to the final thoughts.

Intel is to blame here. In order to win the performance crown it let the board partners run wild with the power limits. It's Intel's fault so it should be providing replacement CPUs for those customers that suffer from CPU degradation.

Back to you Steve! Excellent comparing video 👍🧐

The most impressive thing about the 7800x3D isn't even the performance. It's the efficiency. You don't even need a strong cooler! I still find it hard to believe that in the most CPU demanding games, it's only pulling 30-40 watts. All while outperforming Intels pulling 200+ watts. I thought Alder Lake 12th gen Intels were decent at the time, but once DDR5 prices settled down, and there was a sale on the 7800x3D and b650 boards, it was too good of a deal to ignore.

Thank you for testing 4k! I know it won't show a huge difference but it's a great real world test for those of us who do game in 4k.

Intel vs Ryzen at gaming, a short history: Ryzen 1000 and 2000 series - Intel clearly better, no sweat. AMD sells very cheaply to compensate Ryzen 3000 series - AMD making gains but Intel still comfortable, chugging away at 10nm+++ Ryzen 5000 series - AMD reaches gaming parity, Intel pushes a lot more power through their chips to keep up or slightly edge ahead Ryzen 5000 series 3D V-Cache and 7000 series - AMD now significantly ahead. Intel has to push obscene amounts of power through their chips to keep up Ryzen 7000 series 3D V-Cache - AMD so far ahead that Intel decide to risk long term silicone degradation, pushing hundreds more Watts through their chips that cost 80% more money just to lose by a few % in benchmarks Ryzen 9000 series - I hope Intel has been working on something special....

7800x3d is 200$ cheaper, can run well on cheap boards, and requires cheaper cooling solution. That's honestly it's biggest advantages, even if it was 5% slower than the 14900K it'd still be worth it. For example, if you want a decent 14900K build, you need; 250~$ motherboard at least, with good VRMs and good power delivery. 6400-7200 mhz or better ram, which is at least 130+$ for 32gigs, otherwise you're just paying for a better memory controller without utilizing it. and at the very least a 100+$ AIO, You could also buy a large dual tower cooler but it might be a chore during the summer. You might also need a larger PSU, since an 800w PSU with a 14900K&4090 might not cut it, whereas you could get away with a 4090 on a 800w PSU when your CPU only draws 80w at most. Also the 14900K dumps a lot of heat, so you gotta make sure you have a larger case with good airflow, meaning ITX cases pretty much go out the window, even if you could cool a 14900K well enough with a cooler small enough to fit inside an ITX case, the case temps will suck and you'll need to lower the power profile so much you might as well have bought a 13700K.

Great video. Any reason why you use f1 in your benchmarks? Any chance you could use iRacing? Id bet it has more users and they would all be very interested in performance, more so than any f1 user.

Thank you for another great set of test result that show that: • If you want more frames/second (FPS) the 7800X3D is usually a better choice than the 14900K; • The Extreme profile will offer more FPS and use more power than the Performance profile; • It is implied but not shown that the Extreme profile will cause its CPU to age faster. What has not been discussed is the effect of the “cooling solution“, thermal velocity boost, and short time boost on FPS and aging. One of the things to identify for a given cooling solution is is the acceptable steady state temperatures for (a) wall power (b) CPU (c) GPU for stable (1) CPU frequency and GPU frequency. It is assumed that boost will take advantage below below steady state loading to boost frequency. The extent that boost will exceed acceptable steady state temperatures will accelerate aging and may impact reliability.

"no reason not use the extreme profile" - you mean no reason TO use the extreme profile? Why burn an extra 50-100w for no discernable difference

Glad my 13900K has been rock solid at full power since the build we did :)

Nice review,, just what I needed! You should throw Star citizen in there, it uses a lot of CPU

Great Video as always! AMD guy here, and last weekend I built my friend's kid a gaming desktop. He wanted to go Intel, and I wasn't going to try and change his mind (get a 7800x3d) instead of the 14700k. Well i built the system, everything went smooth and really had no issues. But on boot up, (MSI z790 board) in the bios asked me what power profile I wanted to use, based on my cooler. I installed a Corsair iCUE H150i ELITE (360 AIO) so I chose the water cooling power profile, thinking, oh a 14700k wont draw anything near what a 14900k would so this should be fine. Well I get windows installed and everything setup, run Cinebench, and sure enough it was drawing 300W and would peak out at 320W. I was blown away, it would almost instantly hit 100C and start to throttle. So i went back in the bios and limited it down to the (Tower Cooler) profile, which seemed to lock the max to 280W. I did no expect the 14700k to draw that much.. The temps peak out now around 90-92c, but man... that was crazy! Other Intel guys here, is that what you see from your 14700k with no limits?

Intel Fan Boys will defend Intel's ridiculously absurd CPU power usage to the death.

TLDW - just buy 7800X3D for top performance.

Steve thank you so much for this video this is exactly what I was looking for. P.S.: Would you do same video for 9800 x3D and 15900k ?

Nice comparison video.

I have my 13900k capped right now on the cache core current originally through limiting ICCMax to 328a-400a which anything under 400a lead to a current throttle. When I was current throttled, my 13900 wasn't using more than 200w. It did want to use 253w, problem was it sometimes wanted to use more than that , and for me at 253w, a 400a cache current is perfect and lead to a 0% throttle (current EDP throttle). Problem becomes, when the CPU attempts to use more than 253w, which in turn wants to use more than 400a, and Intel specifically said "core current NOT TO EXCEED 400a". They seem to be linked, if I lower my core cache current from 400a to say 360w, my max wattage used for my 13900k under full load will fall from 253w max to 200w max telling me I have a EDP current throttle. While I'm using 2 current protections instead right now through my Gigabyte motherboard with 253w/253/400w manual settings, I don't even get above 160w which I'm fine with for summer time but still, WTF? I have a Corsair 7000D with a 420mm AIO, I should be able to run at the extreme profile. Luckily now though at 160w, none of my cores even go above 75 C under heavy load but at least it is stable. Problem with these 13900k CPUs is actually trying to use all 24 cores that you paid for when it really needs all that power to push each core and it goes over 253w/400a (should had never been allowed to exceed this and damage the silicon [400a]).​ In my case it was fine while I was gaming since not all 24 cores are even close to being used. When I did compression/decompression, it used 100%, I crashed, and now I can't even run 400a completely stable even with thermal headroom for it. This means I'm unable to even reach 100 C on a core before crashing, and it may occur for me between 85 C and 100 C before I even have a thermal throttle during all core work loads. That sucks. I want to point out the Gigabyte has an option to show "biscuits" in which I've heard from numerous users is basically the quality of your silicon. I started out at 91 biscuits, looked it up because I never heard of biscuits and thought what the heck is that? Well now I'm currently at 89 biscuits since the crashes over the year before finding out it was the 13900k the whole time. I thought it was my RAM 6400 DDR5 since it wouldn't boot after that through XMP without changing my saved profile through my z790 Auros Elite AX and it would only allow me to boot resetting everything back to stock. Given I have to throttle my own CPU at this point, Gigabyte still doesn't have a non beta BIOS to fix this issue (which I'm hoping drops and I can run the extreme profile that I should be able to do because I have the thermal headroom for), I'm about tired of this mess and the fact they are indicating Intel will just point the finger at me when this whole thing is BS, I didn't overclock mine I just wanted the performance everyone said my 13900k would have and now I have a lesser 13900k. I just want the 253w/253/400a without crashing at heavy loads, thats it, nothing more. To note, yeah this is my first PC built in over a decade so I've always liked Intel. While I love every other part of my PC, the 4090 is absolutely amazing, everything is good. Looks like I'll be going with AMD CPUs from here on out though, I regret purchasing the 13900k.

amd is so efficient that intel need to disguise as room heater to match it, but still can't

The fact that you guys had to delete weeks of work means so much to me‚ this shows how dedicated you are to the work you put into the content you make for this channel.

Another great video Steve but... Pls do the poled video about b650 mobos before x870 boards come out so it will not get shut down before its even out.

Intel is a mess nowdays

Thank you for including the 4k results!

I'm really happy that my 5600x is doing everything I need it to do, and went for it back when I did. It's more than enough for my high refresh rate 1080p adventures combined with a RTX 3070. Enough fps with very low power consumption. But that Intel high-end mess is really a..well..mess. I hope Intel comes with something new and impressive soon in the CPU market to keep the competition up. Good competition is healthy for us customers and so that AMD keeps inventing and improving as well.

Steve - thanks for this much appreciated comparison. I noticed that at 4K, performance across all 3 (7800X3d, 14900k performance & extreme profiles) is more or less the same in nearly all cases. Unfortunately you only show the power usage stats at 1080p but I'd be very interested to see this at 4K? If the 7800x3d maintains the same material power efficiency advantage over the 14900K at 4K resolution as well then that would be useful to know and at least for me fully confirm your conclusion.

Is it even worth comparing a 14900k with an 11900K at this point?

Considering that the Performance profile can save 100-150W, while losing around 5% on average, this makes it the best choice for most people.

I just switched from 5600x to 7800x3d. Used to get around 150 fps on warzone big map and now its pegged at 240fps which is my monitor's capacity. So glad I switched. My 6800xt taichi will be the next thing I upgrade depending on what the new cards can do.

What PBO settings were used for X3D? I'd like to see a comparison of -20 Curve Optimizer.

I am very content with my 7800X3D, fast and not running hot.

Just wondering if you are using the 'optimised' -30 offset for the Ryzen? Cause you lose no performance if anything you get better multicore and better sustained single core performance along with reduced power consumption by a decent amount on top of what it already is.

Yo.. Steve, new lens? Why is it sharper?

I wish you guys would do some idle and light load power benchmarks with CPUs. Curious to see how AMD and Intel stack up there and how real day to day power usage looks like.

Hey Steve, I would argue that Horizon Forbidden West can be CPU demanding. In cities like "The bulwark" or "Fleet's End". Maybe change the testing location, if you wan to keep the game in the suite. Pretty please? :)

Do not use the baseline profiles Performance or Extreme. If you want to do nothing and not do enthusiast stuff get the 7800x3d it just works out of the box. Now if you want intel if you are willing to do enthusiast stuff first put on a correction bracket on your 14900k if you want to make your life easier get yourself a torque screwdriver that can go down to at least .05 nm lowest cost for a good one with a certification is around 70-90 dollars. Get a Thermal Grizzly 13th-14th gen contact frame and set the torque to .06nm. This will ensure you are not fighting with your ram having to tweak that as well with a correction bracket maybe not just right and as close the abysmal flawed intel LGA1700 cpu mounting pressure that is about the only thing right for DDR5 ram. Make sure you have the right board for your ram that is important from 7200mhz cl34-8200mhz cl38+, Next you can select the let the bios optimize, next if your cpu is not the greatest of quality on the silicon lottery limit cores 4 and 5 to a multiplier of 57"5.7ghz", 6ghz+ takes a lot of core voltage and if your chip is not a lottery performance will suffer. Next you will have to look at your VT curves in the bios below 5.6ghz you can leave at auto, I like to with a negative offset on 5.6ghz to every mode of turbo up to 6ghz of .5, this is where a no one size fits all as each board is different. You will need to adjust each state of turbo and after you do save and exit the bios go into windows then run 3DMARK timespy the cpu test alone and will need to do 6-12 runs to sort of get an average and account for error, then keep going into the bios, weaking the .5X on each level of turbo until you find the sweet spot for the cpu that will greatly increase your performance better than you could ever get out of box and slapping the cpu also getting the performance back those baseline profiles butcher because they both still pump too much VID/Vcore into your cpu heat is not your friend, more voltage is not always better. 7200mhz cl34 you should see a cpu score of around 25k consistently, 7600mhz about 26.5-26.9, 8000mhz depending on how well you are dialed in around 26.9-27.5k. 8200mhz is around 27.Xk. Once you do that you will get the best 1% lows again with the lowest frametime MS, you will notice your system is a lot snappier giving you the best possible gaming experience possible. Kind of shake my head at all of you reviewers not properly educating your audience treating them like they are clueless and not able to self-tune. It's not just you, it's a lot of you I miss the days when tech reviewers actually took the time to educate their audience properly sadly those days seem to be over for the most part and there is like under a 1% group of reviewers that actually does that some will not tell you how because well that is their livelihoods. Does it take extra work? Yup but if you are going to show off enthusiast hardware you may want to do enthusiast stuff, or buy enthusiast grade hardware be willing to do enthusiast level stuff. Also will add the guidelines are because each chip and board are different, there is a no one size fits all, there is a set of numbers it will just work, it may not work the way you want it to nor perform the way you want it to. That is sort of up to the end user, not even the motherboard manufacturer can do that especially on intel. Intel needs to fix the LGA1700 mounting bracket that is the first thing that needs to happen to fix the lid bow, no bios or microcode will fix that. At this point it is up to the end user, intel is hoping this just goes away as they abandon LGA1700.

I'd really love some Framework laptop reviews and benchmarks when the new Intel Ultra versions launch in August. Power usage & iGPU performance difference in games between the 7840U and Ultra 7 155H for example :)

Thank you for still including the 4K test results in your benchmarking. It will be interesting to see with Lunar Lake, Zen 5 and then Zen 5 3D to see if CPUs make more of a difference at 4K in future, along with Nvidia's upcoming RTX 5090 GPU.

Even sleeping 7800x 3d can beat 14900k easily

So happy to see *my* 7800X3D is performing that well against the latest Intel top dog! 💙

I'm loving my 7800x3d. The graphs showed system power about 200 watts lower vs the 14900k with 1080p. Does the margin shrink at 4k considerably?

I have a 7950x and run it on the 105 w profile, amazing... thermals under control, great speed and silence!

Intel man 🤦🏻 I would classify myself as an enthusiast, but even I don’t know what the hell is going on. So there’s a standard, recommended, performance, and extreme profile? Or is the performance profile “recommended”? What will the boards ship with? Shouldn’t it be “standard” as it is, you know… standard? 🤷🏻‍♂️

The extreme profile is not worth it at all. Also the 14900k for gaming is not worth it at all.

Bought a 7800x3d for 330 usd brandnew 🔥

All i needed to see was the 14900k using around 100w or more power and fps being almost same. Even if people dont care about electric pricing they should care about the heat being dumped to the room where the pc is.

I would just get the 7950x3d and call it a day. 5800x3d gaming performance and more powerful everywhere else. Should test the 7950x3d vs the 14900k not the 7800x3d vs i9 14900k. Yall already showed the 7950x3d is skightly faster in gaming than even the 7800x3d.

i7 13/14700k is the competitor here, really.

Now Steve you should do the productivity tests with 14900k vs 7950X/X3D. If gaming FPS get hit by Performance Profile, so productivity will be hit too!! People deserve to see this updated benchmarks in order to choose wisely. Other thing is, how can Intel recommend Extreme Profile, when PL1+PL2=253W degrades the silicon?

What is the productivity performance like? The previous video had included Cinebench scores

The more you Intel, the more you want AMD.

Did you check to see if the 7200MT/s RAM was stable with Karhu before testing? It really does wonders for performance and benchmark scores if you have everything dialed in and it's working correctly. It should take around a day or two if you know what you're doing.

Thanks Steve

Hardware Unboxed doesn't even unbox hardware anymore. Kinda sad watching your idols get lazy. Fortunately we've got world class reviews, but come on guys, unbox something for your old fans!

israeli company shifting the blame.. hmmm..

Steve for these Baseline vs Extreme profiles, can you show us what you are talking about in the BIOS of this? I've been using a Z690 for 3 years now, and I don't know what setting you guys are talking about.

Can you pls also add 1 to 3 productivity benchmarks as well for processors? I feel this is the only missing part of CPU comparisons, for those who are also interested in productivity. Thank you and glad to see the transparicy

@FasterBenchmarker olha o pessoal do Adrenaline da gringa 😂😂😂 Só stock 😂😂😂 No aguardo do seu teste 🤙🤙🤙

I have an important question: Did you make this video after you came back from Computex?

I have always been a huge intel fan but made the jump to AMD and copped the 7800X3D and my god am i happy with the decision. Running so cool

O melhor canal de hardware do mundo, amo esse canal 🇧🇷

Leak from Igor's Lab suggesting that it's a microcode problem with the fix coming next month...