Harley-Davidson Heritage Classic vs BMW R 18 Classic. Which cruiser is best? You may be surprised!

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Mr Darcy & The Ol' Man

Mr Darcy & The Ol' Man

3 жыл бұрын

We pitch the Harley-Davidson Heritage Classic 114 against the new 2021 BMW R 18 Classic in the ultimate head-to-head of the big cruisers with touring capabilities. Which motorbike comes out on top? BMW Motorrad or Harley-Davidson? Watch to find out!
We award points for every feature that wins and in this completely objective shootout, we find out which motorcycle is your flavour!
We briefly consider the Indian Springfield, Harley-Davidson Road Glide and Triumph Rocket 3 GT, but they are less similar and therefore we compare the R18 and Heritage Classic.
In this video the Ol' Man is wearing a Goldtop Leather Jacket & Gloves www.goldtop.co.uk
and Premier Helmet www.premier.it/en/

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@MrDixonSyder
@MrDixonSyder Жыл бұрын
I just took a 2021 R18 Classic on a 140km test ride. I absolutely loved how it handled and felt on the highway. It got up to road speeds quickly, and made passing speeds so well. I think I found my next bike.
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan Жыл бұрын
Excellent. There’s nothing like them 💯
@CVO_MAN
@CVO_MAN 2 жыл бұрын
The BMW R 18 is a piece of Motorcycle Art with that Boxer engine, the Cardanic transmission, the level of attention to every detail and the fact that is something new and different from the rest on the market.
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely. It is unique and very special indeed 💯
@nielsmeer
@nielsmeer 3 жыл бұрын
I’d pick the R18. I prefer mid controls. Forwards tend to put a lot of pressure on my tailbone and are harder to weight the pegs when turning or to lift out of the seat over big bumps. I do have highway pegs on the crash bar of my GS, so I can have a forward position even with the boxer engine. However, I’d say 90% of the time, I have my feet on the mid pegs and only use the highway pegs to stretch occasionally on long highway sections. I never use them on backroads.
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
Yes there’s a lot to be said for mid controls 👍🏼
@jroberthadden
@jroberthadden 3 жыл бұрын
The footboards on the Heritage aren't out too far forward. I'm 5'8" and they are positioned near perfect for me. You can move your feet five or six inches fore or aft.
@my.motorrad
@my.motorrad 3 жыл бұрын
As a BMW rider, IDK. THere are ways I think the R18 falls short. I'd like a R18 that is more like a Road King than Heritage. Hard lockable bags, bigger tank, better seat, bigger windscreen.
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
OK I see where you’re coming from. It’s really a cruiser with touring ability than a tourer
@boxofmoles4057
@boxofmoles4057 9 ай бұрын
Two years after watching this, then riding both, very pleased with my decision to purchase the R18 Classic. 👌 Thank you Mr. Darcy & The Ol' Man. 🤙
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 9 ай бұрын
Awesome,it is a wonderful motorbike 👍🏼
@rotax636nut5
@rotax636nut5 3 жыл бұрын
I like the comparison style you used here on this episode, please keep it up. Another great review lads, so far every one's a winner, many thanks
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Rotax. We wanted to be completely objective
@benoitturcotte5602
@benoitturcotte5602 Жыл бұрын
I have tried both models and i went with the R18. The unique looks and the 3 modes engine makes me decide on that side
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan Жыл бұрын
Excellent! We’ve got a new video about the R18 coming tomorrow 👌🏼
@curtchaffee
@curtchaffee 3 жыл бұрын
Great job, gentlemen! The forward controls make the choice for me. Being able to relax my knees and stretch out a bit is one of the benefits of a traditional cruiser/weekender. Top review of both!
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks buddy 💯👍🏼 Yes we get you there
@aapddd
@aapddd 3 жыл бұрын
I love the art deco style of the BMW but that Harley Davidson engine is a piece of art.
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
Yes true 👍🏼
@blackholevideo
@blackholevideo 3 жыл бұрын
Just remember that beauty is only skin deep, but ugly goes clear through to the bone. 😎
@maxialberto284
@maxialberto284 3 жыл бұрын
Great great comparison!!! Thanks for that. It is great to see them back to back. Excellent gentlemen!
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Maxi 💯👍🏼
@beans4491
@beans4491 3 жыл бұрын
Hi guys, this is the video I've been waiting for and boy was it worth it. I’m so glad they were pitched evenly, as you know i have an R18 which i love and don’t think i could ever part with it and i have a Harley being delivered this Wednesday (street Bob 2021) so like you ....i love Chinese and Indian food. Many thanks and kind regards.
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks buddy! 💯👍🏼
@kevinpollard1550
@kevinpollard1550 2 жыл бұрын
Just watched video again . The bmw is stunning and the finish on it is so beautiful
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 2 жыл бұрын
Yes it’s Rolls Royce 💯
@travisj2370
@travisj2370 Жыл бұрын
the harley is around 37k and the R18 is 27k in australia soo i think the R18 is quite the bargain
@marktuohy4427
@marktuohy4427 3 жыл бұрын
Great video guys...love your videos...very straightforward...well paced...good quality camera and remind me of myself and my oul man!
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much!
@dkslackmaster
@dkslackmaster 3 жыл бұрын
Just picked up a 2021 first edition. Its brilliant! I ride a 1200 GSA as well so the huge cylinders sticking out the sides is not a huge deal. Thank you for this review and keep up the great work. Cheers from Alaska
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Every mile’s a smile!
@b.runson9719
@b.runson9719 3 жыл бұрын
The R18 wins my vote.
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
Yes it’s a great bike 👍🏼
@darkoflight4938
@darkoflight4938 3 жыл бұрын
I prefer the BMW but that is a subjective opinion. What isn't a subjective opinion is that this is a great mc channel. That is simply a fact!
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks buddy! That’s the thing about so many motorbikes; and the reason we often turn what we think is a negative into a positive
@jroberthadden
@jroberthadden 3 жыл бұрын
I have demo ridden both of these. (The BMW that I rode was the initial model released) I really liked both. I would need a few hundred miles in the saddle to make my determination of which I would rather live with, especially considering the $$$$. I have owned a few big twin Harleys and the Heritage was a more familiar feel for me and it fits perfectly. The Heritage seemed to have a slightly lighter handling feel and the front end on the Bimmer seemed more planted and substantial. I was able to ride both on a mountain road and was equally impressed. Both were solid machines. A side by side fourth or fifth gear roll on would have been an interesting comparison to see which would pull away from the other. Several times, you mentioned that H-D should offer a bike between the Heritage and the Breakout which might compare more closely to this R18. I might suggest that the Road King might be that bike, although it does not have the hidden suspension. I agree with your assessment on the front brakes. You gave a point to the R18 for having riding modes where the Heritage had none. I can see that view. However technology, to some of us, is just an add on that we'd rather not have to deal with or pay for. (I'm not crazy about throttle by wire or keyless ignitions, either) I have owned and ridden several bikes with anti lock brakes and rider modes. I'm a simple guy and I prefer being 100% in charge of traction and braking. By the way, these two motorcycles are in my top five list of new bikes at the present time. I always enjoy your reviews. Keep 'em coming.
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks buddy. As the Harley is ride-by-wire and in a fixed mode we gave it to the R18. The Touring chassis on the Harleys gives a very different ride in our opinion so that’s why we didn’t put them in the same place. Thanks for your support 👍🏼👍🏼 We would love to have ridden them side-by-side but because of the Nanny State motorcycle licensing laws in the UK, Darcy can’t ride one for another 2-3 years!
@jroberthadden
@jroberthadden 3 жыл бұрын
@@MrDarcy-OlMan Because of his age, or riding years? That's interesting. I grew up in Illinois (a looonng time ago) and we weren't allowed to ride anything over 150cc until we were 18. I don't know if that's still the situation there since I've been out here in Wyoming for 42 years.
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
@@jroberthadden we have a compulsory progressive licensing system here that basically stops 99% of people riding at all. Most just wait till they’re 24 and do an intensive course
@jroberthadden
@jroberthadden 3 жыл бұрын
@@MrDarcy-OlMan So most of the youngsters don't get any practical riding experience until they're 24? Wow, I did not know that. What a shame. I have taken three Motorcycle Safety Foundation courses, including the instructor course. I believe that the ONLY way to become road worthy is to have practical road experience. Even if it's on smaller bikes. So, if I'm understanding you, young riders may only ride smaller, or less powerful, bikes until they're 24, then they are automatically able to move up? I can see how that could discourage many from riding at all. Many times, when a person gets to that ripe old age, they are starting careers and families which, itself, limits many of them in buying motorcycles.
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
@@jroberthadden it’s really complicated to explain. Here’s a video we did on it kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gMmTodCQuK6dlIk.html
@BicepsAndBikinis
@BicepsAndBikinis 3 жыл бұрын
Both beautiful! I’d go for the Harley Davidson ❤️
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks my friend 👍🏼
@JS-nf1sn
@JS-nf1sn 2 жыл бұрын
I test rode a Softail, Street Glide, and Road King and went with a 22 BMW R 18 B. Absolutely love it. It's the best thought out bike I've ever ridden. Fast up to 90, sounds great, brilliant cruise control, headlights, heated seat and grips, hill assist, reverse, abs and traction control. I love Harley's too, but for me the BMW is where it is at. Instant classic. I read most of the reviews of the BMW before the test ride and was very pleasantly surprised. IMHO, some of the problem with the reviews, not this one, is that they are asking people that think cruisers are stupid what they think of them. Or people that say any cruiser that's not a Harley is an imposter.
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 2 жыл бұрын
Yes very good points! I agree. I bought a BMW R 18 for those reasons. It’s tremendous 💯
@mgardner1975
@mgardner1975 2 жыл бұрын
Nice review. I think a Road King would have been a better comparison though. BMW & HD are both making great cruisers.
@michaelschaefer3124
@michaelschaefer3124 Жыл бұрын
The biggest difference between these two motorcycles is the riding position. Open and relaxed on the Harley and cramped on the big BMW. Sit on them both and it’s easy to decide which one you would like to spend the most time on. I will keep my heritage, thank you.
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan Жыл бұрын
Fair enough. I’m a pretty big guy and have never been cramped on the BMW. 👍🏼
@michaelschaefer3124
@michaelschaefer3124 Жыл бұрын
@@MrDarcy-OlMan You stated yourself that the leg room is better on the Harley and actually gave it a point for that. The leg position on the BMW reminds me of my F6B, but the F6B had forward pegs that would allow me to stretch my legs if needed. I would classify the BMW as actually being a standard as opposed to a cruiser. Ironically, Honda marketed the F6B as a power cruiser when it first came out. Go figure.
@stevegodfrey626
@stevegodfrey626 Жыл бұрын
The riding position on the R18 is actually very comfortable compared to the 6 HD’s I’ve had over the past 20 years. Feet forward is placing your body in a “staple” position and not comfortable for me anyway!
@rasersedge2004
@rasersedge2004 Жыл бұрын
@@stevegodfrey626 I agree, and if there's corners to navigate, especially twisties you can control the bike much better with feet back. Another thing about the R18 is the ability to stand naturally upright for extended periods - just like on the adventure bikes - to alleviate numbness on long rides. You can also vary your foot position to shift weight from one point to another. I haven't tried them but you can also buy an engine guard setup with foot rests if you need a wee lie down while riding. I've had three H-Ds and consider them brilliant bikes each in their different ways - the Switchback 103" the best comparison to the R18 I thought and the two very very close.
@stevegodfrey626
@stevegodfrey626 Жыл бұрын
I have had 6 new Harleys. The R18 is certainly not cramped and is actually more comfortable on my back long distance with the semi mid controls. I am 6ft and 100kgs. One of the reasons I bought an R18. Best bike ever out of the 12 I have owned …. 53 years riding.
@hkn777
@hkn777 3 жыл бұрын
Forgot to mention, excellent comparison and points! To solve left side view problem for my fxbb i bought a swing arm bag😅
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
Good stuff! Thank you!
@Posttraumaticgrowth
@Posttraumaticgrowth 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you guys🤙
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks buddy 👍🏼
@lancerbiker5263
@lancerbiker5263 3 жыл бұрын
Overall cost of ownership should be compared. Durability and reliability are major factors.
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
That’s hard to establish without having both bikes for a long period of time tbh
@rolandharrison579
@rolandharrison579 3 жыл бұрын
Just for the reverse gear - BMW.
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
Game changer 💯
@alancarter4525
@alancarter4525 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve got one in my Road King. It’s called the missus 😇
@MrChancebozey
@MrChancebozey 3 жыл бұрын
Love the throwback design to BMW's heritage in the R18. I do like the look of the Harley better. Great vids :)
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks buddy. It’s going to go 50:50 with the public vote we think
@faroeselegionnaire3174
@faroeselegionnaire3174 3 жыл бұрын
Great presentation would go for the Harley-Davidson Heritage
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks buddy! 👍🏼👍🏼
@juancuesta1023
@juancuesta1023 Жыл бұрын
I'm just getting my BMW Classic tomorrow!!!! it is so beautiful.. a piece of art.!!!!
@yosam5184
@yosam5184 3 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed the comparison, like the look of both, however this ole long legged country boy is addicted to forward controls and stretching my legs out on the crash bar with highway pegs on a long sunny day of riding. thanks...
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks buddy. Yes we know that feeling 👍🏼
@sebastiangeorge7714
@sebastiangeorge7714 3 жыл бұрын
There is an option to have a bar right above the cylinder heads for that purpose
@blackholevideo
@blackholevideo 3 жыл бұрын
@@sebastiangeorge7714 yes however those two boxer cylinders are very wide.
@user-sw2lv3zp6o
@user-sw2lv3zp6o 3 жыл бұрын
If I was buying a bike of this type, it would be the Honda Goldwing Bagger DCT.
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
Yes the Honda is very good
@MrAndrew1953
@MrAndrew1953 3 жыл бұрын
Honda should make a Goldwing wuith a similar sized windshield to the one on the Heritage. Clip on, clip off. Not everyone needs a full sized fairing, radio etc. The motor on the Goldwing is superb.
@whiterabbitt2002
@whiterabbitt2002 7 ай бұрын
I own a 2020 Harley Low S. I considered the Heritage Classic after I bought the Low Rider S, haha. But I do love my LRS. I made some changes to my LRS such as crash bars, a saddleman step up seat, 10 inch handle bar riser with 2 inch pull back (I used the stock handle bars), viking saddle bags witj quick release, a Harley luggage rack with quick release sissy bar. Plan on adding passenger pegs and swapping out factory mufflers with Vance and Hines TWIN SLASH 3″ SLIP-ONS.I also took off the factory front and replaced it with a 18 inch wind shield. In hind sight I should have bought the saddleman Explorer Seat instead of the Step seat for added comfort.
@thejoyfulgardener62
@thejoyfulgardener62 2 жыл бұрын
Great review guys, very informative.
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks buddy 👍🏼👍🏼
@travelinben1966
@travelinben1966 3 жыл бұрын
I'll take the HD.Aesthetically more pleasing to my eyes.I've heard that the R18 is prone to much peg scraping too,which puts me off.
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
OK bro. The peg scraping is no more than any other cruiser. It’s more that the other reviewers expect it to be a Fireblade in the corners
@travelinben1966
@travelinben1966 3 жыл бұрын
@@MrDarcy-OlMan Thank you for that.👍👍
@beatts101
@beatts101 3 жыл бұрын
@@travelinben1966 A lot of owners have said this is because the rear preload on the bikes is not being adjusted before bikes are given to the press and customers and they are effectively riding them in transport mode. Adjusting properly for rider weight seems to eliminate a lot of the scraping 👍🏻
@splodge5714
@splodge5714 3 жыл бұрын
@@beatts101 well that's a new one. I like it, cheers. 😂🤣
@travelinben1966
@travelinben1966 3 жыл бұрын
@@beatts101 Thank you for that information.I would have definitely ruled out the R18 had you not pointed that out.
@hollywoodboggie
@hollywoodboggie 2 жыл бұрын
Great even handed review. I am a HD and Ducati man but I was impressed with your review of the timeless BMW.
@vicfalls34
@vicfalls34 3 жыл бұрын
You look better on the R18! The proportions and riding position look more comfortable and a better fit.
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
Really OK thanks bro 👍🏼
@snickrologen
@snickrologen 3 жыл бұрын
Great review once again, but when it comes to flavour you need to evaluate what you can afford to eat! 😊
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks buddy. Yes absolutely! 💯
@hansgluck875
@hansgluck875 3 жыл бұрын
I chose the most beautiful one. R18 Frist Edition. Thank you for the interesting comparison. Keep up the good work!
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Hans 💯👍🏼
@shannonsawitzky2725
@shannonsawitzky2725 Жыл бұрын
Picking up the R 18 Classic next week. Been riding a Heritage Springer for the past 5 years. Looking forward to having reverse, and better front end control. No gas gage may be an adjustment. Will need to watch my kms, or hope for a reset at the very least.
@flhfd1703
@flhfd1703 3 жыл бұрын
My, oh my! Does the name "Road King" ring a bell? Dual discs, big clear screen, big tank, roomy seat?
@simonhickey8952
@simonhickey8952 3 жыл бұрын
As an owner of a Heritage and a Road King, I would have to agree with FLHFD. Not being able to stretch your legs out would be a game changer for me so H-D all day long, no contest. Great content as ever chaps!
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
We did mention the road king
@simonhickey8952
@simonhickey8952 3 жыл бұрын
@@MrDarcy-OlMan My hearing and eyesight must be going then. I could have sworn you said Road GLIDE and showed a pic of a green one?
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
@@simonhickey8952 Sorry we had a very spicy curry and it’s messing with our minds! 👍🏼
@simonhickey8952
@simonhickey8952 3 жыл бұрын
@@MrDarcy-OlMan No worries, happens to the best of us. However, if you like the Heritage, you'd love the Road King!
@eyesofisabelofficial
@eyesofisabelofficial 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting, informative and well made...and that's just just the video !
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
Haha thanks bro 👍🏼
@paulogorsse8362
@paulogorsse8362 3 жыл бұрын
BMW might be better. But Harley Davidson has soul and heart. I just bought the 2021 harley heritage and I love it.
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome 💯 We love our Heritage Classic!
@kentneely3533
@kentneely3533 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve owned both brands and have found owners are very brand loyal...currently I own a BMW R1200RT. This review was quite good because it was even handed and didn’t play into brand loyalty...it just dealt with the bikes. Well done.
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Kent. Yes we are always objective 💯
@eb1941
@eb1941 2 жыл бұрын
Both beautiful machines. I sat on the BMW and felt I could ride it for a short distance or time, but my leg position would require me to get off and stretch at regular intervals. I need to get my feet forward. Great to have more competition as it drives innovation. Thanks for posting.
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 2 жыл бұрын
Yes indeed 💯👍🏼
@neleig
@neleig 2 жыл бұрын
Great review as always. I had a 2007 Heritage Softtail Classic. I loved it but it got to hard to move around. I got older. Reverse was definitely needed. I sold it for a 2016 Bonneville T120. Great bike! I want another cruiser and I’d choose the BMW, mostly for something different. I also had a BMW F650GS. Great too! All are high quality.
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks very much. The R18, especially the First Edition is surprisingly manoeuvrable, especially with reverse.
@mrvoyagerm
@mrvoyagerm 3 жыл бұрын
Great video. I really like the reverse on the BMW. My '01 Goldwing had it. I like the look of the BMW, but I will be keeping my Ultra Classic with dual front discs and tubeless tires. From Canada.
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks buddy. Did you see our Ultra Limited review?
@008tejas
@008tejas 3 жыл бұрын
I loved R18.....fantastic
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
Yes it’s tremendous 👍🏼
@VVoltz
@VVoltz 3 жыл бұрын
Oh man, fantastic video! Good job being extremely objective on all those points, agreed 100%. I found the mention of the short fenders extremely on point, I traded my 2019 Heritage for a Low Rider S and the short fairing is just for looks, the oil cooling panel gets sooooo dirty. Oh I also loved the last mention about the symmetry of the bike, I thought that was a very good point and I didn’t think about that until you mentioned it
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks buddy! We’re glad you’re on the same wavelength 👍🏼💯
@jjnewman65
@jjnewman65 3 жыл бұрын
Nice one boys. R18 for me. Different class.
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks bro! 👍🏼👍🏼
@texrgb
@texrgb 2 жыл бұрын
Love both, good review
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@mindspinn311
@mindspinn311 Жыл бұрын
There was a comparison video done by Motorcyclist between the R18, Street Glide, and Indian Chief. Very interesting. The stand out for the BMW is the fit and finish and how the bike is put together. They said they thought HD was great until the BMW showed them how good it can get. Something else to consider is engine heat. It’s actually worse on the Harley bc of the rear cylinder running hotter and the exhaust pipe being next to your leg. The BMW cylinders and exhaust headers are in the wind and cool better.
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan Жыл бұрын
Yes absolutely right
@tomislavstanich9379
@tomislavstanich9379 3 жыл бұрын
We do not need the chassis of the bmw r18 and the V- Twin HD engine at the end of this show, but they are perfect what they are. The two great motorrad companies made the two amazing beasts on two wheels and that is great! Good job!
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks buddy. Yes! 2 of the best 👍🏼
@wgrant6318
@wgrant6318 2 жыл бұрын
HD. The cylinder protrusion is a game changer for me.
@nickysoundsgood9664
@nickysoundsgood9664 Жыл бұрын
Very nice videos. I would choose the bmw. Classier and the engine is simply fabulous.
@luiscamelo4069
@luiscamelo4069 3 жыл бұрын
Keep up the good videos you have been doing
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Luis 👍🏼👍🏼
@breakoutpete210
@breakoutpete210 3 жыл бұрын
Both mechanical art on 2 wheels, both world class cruisers...decisions decisions🤔. Great comparison video👌 Greetings from Canada... 🇨🇦🏍💨🔥✌️😎
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
Yes absolutely! Thanks buddy 👍🏼👍🏼
@alancarter4525
@alancarter4525 3 жыл бұрын
I understand comparing the two but for me the Road King Classic (although the Classic is no longer available I think 😞) out-classes both. Similar lean angle to the R18, more than the Heritage, bigger tank (22.7 ltr) fly-by-wire and with a fuelpak perfectly tuneable whatever the situation or changes, belt drive so zero maintenance and lasts forever. Such a comfortable seat and position, I do four hours riding before I need a break and styling that warms the cockles of a classic bike lover like myself but with all mod cons, cruise, ABS (inc cornering on newer ones, mine’s a 2010) detachable everything, clear big screen (not for me), backrest Inc rider and rack. Twin discs up front. Perfect blend of classic styling and modern ease, I wouldn’t swap even for a new Heritage or R18. Cons- I ride the ‘twisties’ a lot so cornering without too much plate-scrape is challenging and makes for some interesting riding style (I like a challenge) and I wear through tyres quickly. Being tied to the dealer takes getting used to, only they can do anything with the ABS system but bikes older than 5 years get 25% discount on parts and labour so it works out ok and I think BMW would be the same cars or bikes. A bike for people who like to ride and makes anywhere a photo opportunity.
@Kiwi_Dave
@Kiwi_Dave 2 жыл бұрын
Long time Harley and Guzzi owner in the past but today I'd go for the BMW. Something about literally strapping yourself onto what looks and sounds like a BMW aircraft radial engine from the war is extremely appealing. Plus the custom ability for something completely different to anything else. Couldn't care less about a fuel gauge, that's what the trip odometer is for. Great review, subbed.
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks buddy. Yes it’s a unique and very appealing motorcycle 💯
@NicoSc2811
@NicoSc2811 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video. I hesitated (a little) between the two, and I just ordered ... a Heritage. My main reasons : - Impossibility of moving the legs on the R18, - Zero rear suspension of the R18, - Look of the Heritage without the saddlebags and windshield
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
OK interesting to hear your decision making process. Thanks buddy 👍🏼 Enjoy the Harley!
@joemelton3535
@joemelton3535 3 жыл бұрын
Another good video! I think I am in the R 18 camp, but I haven't ridden one. All comes down to individual preferences. Can't always sort that sort of thing out in advance. If we could, I wouldn't have an ex-wife. Yeah, if only she had known!
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks buddy! Haha we live and learn 👍🏼
@rcud1
@rcud1 2 жыл бұрын
I had a BMW R Cruiser several years ago and I liked it. Was a lot of fun. I now currently own the 2018 HD Heritage like the one here. I love this bike. I've done a few things to it in past 3 years such as pipes and changed some things such as the mirrors. Its great for me, was going to get the Road King but opted for the Heritage and I really like its lighter weight and has great handling for what it is. Where I live if I go south, its all hills and if I go east, its straight road and this bike is great for both.
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome. Ues the heritage Classic is a brilliant bike 💯
@briangebert8927
@briangebert8927 2 жыл бұрын
I too have a 2018harley Davidson heritage 114 and I love the bike except for the battery location
@LesterSuarezGonzalez-dz9ns
@LesterSuarezGonzalez-dz9ns 4 ай бұрын
No doubt at all The Amazing BMW R18 it's one of my favorite Motorcycles but definitevily I stand with the majestic Harley Davidson which has always been my favorite Motorcycle!, Good video, Thanks for sharing!!!
@timcameron3984
@timcameron3984 3 жыл бұрын
Just stumbled across your channel and subscribed all the way from West Aus.. love the content. If you haven’t already I would possibly suggest reviewing the BMW k1600 Bagger.. inline 6 engine. You’ll love it.
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
Welcome aboard! Yes hopefully more BMW's to come soon!
@stevenbailey408
@stevenbailey408 2 жыл бұрын
Great review
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you 👍🏼
@aloofbit338
@aloofbit338 11 ай бұрын
they both do an excellent job!
@simonnolloth6103
@simonnolloth6103 3 жыл бұрын
I think the ol man is going to sell his harley for a R18, can't believe no fuel gauge bmw tut tut , great viewing as per usual
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks buddy. It’s certainly food for thought, but I’ve decided to keep the Harley
@andyfoley6906
@andyfoley6906 3 жыл бұрын
Great review fellows! And not being partial to either one was refreshing. Haven’t rode the BMW yet, hopefully they’ll be at Daytona Bike Week next week so I can give it a spin. Already own a Heritage 114 so I know that bike inside out. Will keep you posted on my thoughts!
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks buddy. Awesome hopefully you can get a ride on one 🤞
@thomasbartlett3409
@thomasbartlett3409 2 жыл бұрын
The BMW shaft drive is trouble free if properly maintained. The Harley m8 is a great platform to work off of and blueprinting the motor with after market parts would bring it up the BMW level of quality.
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 2 жыл бұрын
Yes good points 👍🏼
@curtisssmith5204
@curtisssmith5204 2 жыл бұрын
And therin lies the problem. The Beemer engine from the factory has superior engineering. A forged steel crank supported by three main bearings makes the engine bulletproof. I like the fact that with proper maintenance, this engine should go hundreds of thousands of miles. Things like valve adjustments on this engine should be a breeze. I like the Harley sound. Just not impressed with the engineering and manufacturing.
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 2 жыл бұрын
@@curtisssmith5204 Yes there’s no doubting the quality of BMW engineering 💯
@pistolpete6321
@pistolpete6321 3 жыл бұрын
I think something to consider is maintenance schedules and costs. Great video!
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
Yes that’s true 👍🏼
@gerardmontgomery280
@gerardmontgomery280 3 жыл бұрын
I'd have the Beemer based almost entirely on the look and sound. The HD is a good looking bike with a great sound but that big boxer is a work of art and some slightly louder pipes on it would let it sing.
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
They certainly would!
@rusipathan
@rusipathan 2 жыл бұрын
Just saw the BMW. I have been thinking about getting a cruiser again. I was leaning towards the Challenger but just sat on the R18 classic and it felt very comfortable. Didn't get a chance to ride it though. The bike feels very practical in person.
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 2 жыл бұрын
We really like the R 18 👍🏼
@stevereilly
@stevereilly 3 жыл бұрын
Wanted the R18, bought the Harley today, first ride, is amazing. Reasons: 1. riding position - less engine in the way, 2. noise - no great range of exhausts as yet from BMW, 3. price - better price by 4k almost, 4. amount of extras - much more with Harley, 5. sense of community - BMW is great for my GS not sure for cruisers, 6. gut feel - loved the look of the R18 but the use of word segment in all their videos made me feel it was really a blatant marketing exercise whereas the Harley is more real. May buy the R18 too....
@stevereilly
@stevereilly 3 жыл бұрын
And BTW, epic video as ever guys, best on KZfaq for bikes....
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
OK we’ll considered Steve. Congratulations with the new bike! 💯
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
@@stevereilly Thanks! 😁💯
@stevereilly
@stevereilly 3 жыл бұрын
@@MrDarcy-OlMan It went back today, didn't have a fondness for changing down gear past 4th!
@ryanm.9197
@ryanm.9197 2 жыл бұрын
I dig that BMW. Harleys are everywhere here in the states. Get a Heritage and you will see several others on your ride. The Beemer? Probably won’t see on other one in several months if ever. So there is a built in uniqueness to the beemer that you just don’t get with the Harley.
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 2 жыл бұрын
Yes that’s a very good point 👍🏼
@briangebert8927
@briangebert8927 2 жыл бұрын
The bmw is a nice looking bike but there's no where to stretch out your legs and I think it's more cramped than a gold wing
@jamescox4823
@jamescox4823 Жыл бұрын
@@briangebert8927 but you can stand, which is worth way more
@jimmiekaelin4804
@jimmiekaelin4804 2 жыл бұрын
The aftermarket is huge for BMW. Oh wait a minute, there is almost nothing.
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 2 жыл бұрын
Getting there 👍🏼
@SoMDHarleyRider
@SoMDHarleyRider Жыл бұрын
Always been mostly a Harley guy including a 07 Heritage Classic I had, but I'm really warming up to the BMWs. Really interested in the new R18.
@stevegodfrey626
@stevegodfrey626 Жыл бұрын
I’ve just bought one after 6 HD’s. Much better put together and more rider options… hill start, reverse, radar cruise control, heated grips etc etc. Most HD’s don’t come with any of these and those options that do you have to upgrade $$$.
@derfman53
@derfman53 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the informative video. Well done! I 've owned three boxers. I currently ride a 2001 road king. Occasionally visit a Harley dealership but have yet to be willing to trade in my road king for any of the new Harleys. But the R18 is very tempting. I think an R18 with a springer front end would look awesome.
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks buddy. It’s certainly s tempting bike!
@rotax636nut5
@rotax636nut5 3 жыл бұрын
I'd take the Beemer because of the shaft drive, I also think it's exhaust sound is slightly preferable
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
OK interesting point 👍🏼
@rorynicholson8558
@rorynicholson8558 3 жыл бұрын
After market exhausts should be a must on these girls!
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
@@rorynicholson8558 yes definitely
@alancarter4525
@alancarter4525 3 жыл бұрын
What’s the shaft drive advantage? Belts last forever.
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
@@alancarter4525 I’m not sure tbh. Like you say, belts last.
@kimvanuytsel8462
@kimvanuytsel8462 3 жыл бұрын
I am a BMW1200GSA rider and am considering to buy a 2nd bike in the next year. At first I would go for the HD just to have "something" else, but 2 things certainly have made my choice lean more towards the BMW, and that is the reverse gear possibility and the dual front disk breaks. I am so used to these breaks with my GSA, that it would kind of hard to get used to a single front disk break. Thanks for the review! I really enjoyed it. Keep up the good work and ride safe!!!
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Kim. Hopefully we have made your decision easier 👍🏼👍🏼
@kimvanuytsel8462
@kimvanuytsel8462 3 жыл бұрын
@@MrDarcy-OlMan certainly!! I am also watching now your other video’s. Great work!!
@NicoSc2811
@NicoSc2811 3 жыл бұрын
@@kimvanuytsel8462 also possible to put a reverse gear on the Harley
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
Yes we also think it won’t be too long before Harley offer it as an option
@tonyarroyo4709
@tonyarroyo4709 Жыл бұрын
The R 18 is better
@royz6872
@royz6872 3 ай бұрын
Cant believe you gave a point to the harley engine because the BMW has a wider engine, Better cooling More torque and more power per size. I own both the Harley and the BMW but bet the engine on the BMW will last longer also.
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 ай бұрын
I also have owned both bikes, now just have the R18 (the Ol' Man); and they are both awesome bikes 👍🏼
@paulrichardson6604
@paulrichardson6604 9 ай бұрын
Thank you for taking the time with this review of bmw and the heritage. I like the BMW R18 I am thinking of purchasing one .Regards Paul Richardson 😅
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 9 ай бұрын
Have you seen our other videos on the R18?
@kevinpollard1550
@kevinpollard1550 3 жыл бұрын
I would love either
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
Yes true!
@markb3180
@markb3180 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting review and comparison, Think I'll stick with a Ruby Murray!
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
Haha yeah 👍🏼
@13elad49
@13elad49 2 жыл бұрын
Which one is more reliable? I suspect the BMW is more reliable. Back in the day, one needed two Harelys one to ride and one to work on. I would go with the BMW.
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 2 жыл бұрын
It’s hard to say. I think the M8 Harleys are pretty reliable these days 👍🏼👍🏼
@13elad49
@13elad49 2 жыл бұрын
@@MrDarcy-OlMan I agree. I remember many years ago a friend who was a Harley rider decided to get a BMWR750, he was so used to working on his Harley, he was nearly frustrated because the Beemer didn't need daily adjustments or repairs.
@akula1055
@akula1055 Жыл бұрын
According to the consumers report in USA, HD is more reliable than BMW even Ducati is above BMW. The first positions of course go to Japanese brands. Cheers
@CaptHollister
@CaptHollister Жыл бұрын
BMW's recent history is that the initial adopters are used to work out the problems the factory testers missed. In a consumer survey of new motorcycle reliability, they finished second to last (last was the family of Can-Am Spyders, but they're not really motorcycles). New Harleys, contrary to popular belief, are very reliable. Also, Triumphs no longer leak oil and their electrics work reliably. Old stereotypes are hard to kill, but this is 2022 and things are very different then they were in 1972...
@13elad49
@13elad49 Жыл бұрын
@@CaptHollister you're right, I stand corrected. Has a retired car and truck mechanic, I have said, "they don't build them like use to, thank God for that!"
@MGman100
@MGman100 3 жыл бұрын
Cruisers aren't my thing but the BMW R18 Classic looks stunning
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
Yes definitely 👍🏼
@jameswilkinson8105
@jameswilkinson8105 3 жыл бұрын
There both amazing bikes. If chose the HD just because I love the sound
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
Yes 💯 Certainly the Harley Davidson sounds incredible 👍🏼
@Holly1960-
@Holly1960- 3 жыл бұрын
Love the Retro 1940's look of the Harley Davidson Heritage....The BMW R-18 looks more like an official Police Bike a bit bulky...Both are great bikes..... but, Definitely like the Harley Davidson Heritage 114 Best ✔️✔️✔️
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
Yes good points my friend 👍🏼👍🏼
@nickrichardson7451
@nickrichardson7451 3 жыл бұрын
I just know I’d bash those cylinders!
@mrm8839
@mrm8839 Жыл бұрын
The reverse gear of the BMW seems really useful but not having something as simple as a fuel gauge is a real limitation, at least in my view.
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan Жыл бұрын
Yes it would definitely be better with it!
@davidpinkowski7748
@davidpinkowski7748 7 ай бұрын
Sure it would be better with it, but there is a trip meter. You'll always have a good idea of your remaining fuel. Plus, the low fuel light comes on with a gallon remaining, with a mile count down clock.
@ttonk77
@ttonk77 3 жыл бұрын
Great review and not one sided either which was nice. I think BMW really brought something to the table and I’m very impressed. I don’t think you could go wrong with either. I myself own the HD.
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Timothy! Much appreciated 👍🏼👍🏼
@captainwin6333
@captainwin6333 3 жыл бұрын
I prefer the BMW styling to the Harley but, like the guy said, that's subjective. Both bikes are winners in their own right.
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks buddy. Yes that’s exactly it 👍🏼
@twobeagles1365
@twobeagles1365 2 жыл бұрын
I love the way the R18 saddlebags flow with the bike contour lines, seems very well thought out. I wish the bike had the 6.3 gallon tank on it like the transcontinental.
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 2 жыл бұрын
Yes absolutely (on both counts)
@gonzalolopez8847
@gonzalolopez8847 3 жыл бұрын
Traded in my HD for the R18 Classic few months ago. I love it. Hopefully it’ll be more reliable than the Harley. Great neutral review.
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
Really! What Harley did you have? The R18 is fabulous
@gonzalolopez8847
@gonzalolopez8847 3 жыл бұрын
@@MrDarcy-OlMan Ultra Classic Electra Glide
@lowcountryrob170
@lowcountryrob170 3 жыл бұрын
I can honestly say I don’t know which would be the better bike. While I don’t like the look of the flat twin, HD has some issues as well. I’d probably give a slight edge to the Harley simply because it has a fuel gauge, which isn’t a difficult thing to add the BMW. Great review as always.
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks buddy. They really are closely matched and both satisfy your soul 👍🏼
@petersgw
@petersgw 2 жыл бұрын
I’m a convert from HD to an R18 (bought it about a month back her in SoCal). The handling of the R18 is what did it for me , but it definitely is a potato vs potatoe decision. Great review guys!
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks buddy. How are you getting on with it?
@petersgw
@petersgw 2 жыл бұрын
@@MrDarcy-OlMan 600 miles in (it’s my daily rider), just dropped it off for its break-in service. So far I couldn’t be happier, it’s everything an HD / Indian is but has better handling , a bit of German refinement and that engine is always a conversation starter.
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 2 жыл бұрын
@@petersgw Awesome! Great to hear!
@duosable
@duosable 2 жыл бұрын
The handling of r18 is so unique because of the weight distribution. Like nothing else.
@segundoarmendariz5340
@segundoarmendariz5340 2 жыл бұрын
@@duosable I would like to thank everyone's perspectives. At present time I own three bikes that absolutely love. The last three of 85 in my lifetime. I M 70 yrs young. My humble take on the comparisons; I have owned 38 BMWs. Now have the Classic First Edition R18, the 1250 BMW GSA. And my 2010 Roadking. Owned three new Heritages and three Road Kings. An 18 Street Glide 107 cu in. I mention this for the right to speak out on behalf of these bikes. The personal character of a person spills over on the character of the chosen personalized motorbikes. The R18 has the heritage of our old boxers plus the evolution of the marque. Nothing like it!!! Its in a class by itself. All things considered; a masterpiece that took from any achievements of others and put it all with the craftmanship of its unparalelled engineering. With a few add ons it can be comfortable as a Road King. Which is more at higher speeds than its sister the heritage. Its about personal taste...earned by yrs and hundreds of miles on these iron horses. Bottom line: lets respect and give credit where it is due. Ride your passion. If it is on two wheels..you elevate it to the max. Twins have the best character! They beat more like our hearts. Love the ride you live on and live to ride what you love!
@pelosishammer
@pelosishammer 3 жыл бұрын
The R18 has the engine in the way. Thus necessitating the R gear. The Harley is so light and maneuverable without reverse, it doesn't need it.
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
I’d still like a reverse on my Harley but I get what you’re saying 👍🏼
@federicosamperi7336
@federicosamperi7336 3 жыл бұрын
In BMW they have come up with a nice engine, with 68cc less it manages to have slightly higher torque and power values (not that they make a difference). As a motorcycle itself, I prefer the Heritage though. Thanks for the video
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks buddy; interesting point 👍🏼
@federicosamperi7336
@federicosamperi7336 3 жыл бұрын
@@MrDarcy-OlMan In your opinion Harley Davidson shouldn't "wake up" and launch a range (in 1 or 2 families) of 700 to 1200cc motorcycles to win over the young people?
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
@@federicosamperi7336 yes definitely. Even 500cc +
@normasnockers323
@normasnockers323 Жыл бұрын
that reverse gear is from heaven, i have to waste time finding a good place to park or im stuck with my heavy bike and weak legs
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan Жыл бұрын
Yes it’s unbelievable! 💯👍🏼
@rickramsey8107
@rickramsey8107 2 жыл бұрын
Enjoy your reviews. Thank you. Just subscribed. I have a question about wind buffeting and vibration in the bars. How do you compare them? For context, I like taking long trips in the US. Big touring bikes with engine character from Harley and Indian are fine on the highway, but not so great once you get where you were going. And better-handling touring bikes such as BMW's RT or the new Wing, lack character to delight you along the way. What should be the perfect bikes for my need, the Heritage, has terrible buffeting at highway speeds and leaves my hands numb on a long ride. (Older Harleys and rubber-mounted Harleys don't have that effect on me.) So I was wondering whether you noticed a difference between the two in this regard.
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks and welcome aboard! The Heritage certainly buffets at 70mph and you can duck down to get out of it. The R 18 has a small screen so you do get it somewhat on that too but I reckon the new touring models would be better in that respect. The Harley Limited or CVO Limited is really nice at speed and I found no wind buffeting.
@111day1
@111day1 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve got to say that the Road King would be a better comparison for the R18. The Heritage has always had an inferior suspension and ride compared to the FLH type.
@thepriddybiker3226
@thepriddybiker3226 2 жыл бұрын
My view is that there is a different range comparison here. R18 FE > HD heritage classic. R18 Classic > HD Roadking. R18 Transcontinental > CVO.
@ctwrcfan
@ctwrcfan 3 жыл бұрын
I thought maybe the HD would win the suspension compare, it has 4.4” rear travel vs. BMW’s 3.5”. But I have never ridden either.
@MrDarcy-OlMan
@MrDarcy-OlMan 3 жыл бұрын
They seem very equal in feel 👍🏼
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