Harley Davidson PAN AMERICA REVIEW | Pros & Cons
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Our thoughts were largely skeptical about Harley-Davidson entering the ADV scene so we tried to stay as unbiased as possible in this review of the Pan America. Especially, after the first impression we have lingering from when we first laid eyes on those cyclopic-looking pictures during Harley-Davidson initial press release ;) Okay, well here it is, our more in depth look into the Pan America. Hope this helps some of you guys and hopefully, our message at the end reaches the ears of Harley-Davidson.
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@rso1411 Жыл бұрын
I love my Pan America. It is such a fun bike to ride. I rode it to Alaska (Deadhorse) and back from Southern California (9000 Miles) and it performed flawlessly. I just got back from a ride down the Baja Peninsula last week (1000 miles) and I had a couple problems. The chain stretched to where I couldn't adjust it anymore, and about 60 miles south of the Border, my stator failed, which caused the battery to drain. However, these problems could happen to any brand. Probably my main upgrade to the Pan America would be to switch to a shaft drive. I know the chain is better for off road, but the Pan America is never going to be a hard core off roader. It's more dirt roads and forest roads. Anyway, thought I would share my experience and 2 cents.
@curtissmith8789 2 ай бұрын
Glad to hear you're enjoying your PA. You're putting in some good miles. I have a KTM 1290 SA now and was thinking about replacing it within the next year. I've done a few test rides on the PA and must say that HD has done a nice job. Out of the gate, they seemed to have done a lot of homework to make a competitive bike. This is totally outside the box for them. They stepped on the competitors home field. They didn't hit a home run, but I think they slid into 3rd base. Way to swing HD. I've never been a big HD fan for the most part. Having a touring BMW and a KTM ADV bike, I Am pulling for HD in this segment. Hopefully they will stick with it and continue to improve the platform. Safe travels and many miles / adventures in the future.
@curtissmith8789 2 ай бұрын
You mentioned the ride to Deadhorse, what did you think of that experience? Been to the mid-west and west coast out of Pennsylvania. Heading to AZ and UT, again summer of 24. I have Alaska on my must do ride bucket list. That's going to be approximately 13000 mile trip from Pa. I even have a also retired ex-coworker that now lives in Delta Junction. That's southeast of Fairbanks. He's looking for me to stop in when I get to AK. Lots of planning, but it would be a epic ride.
@rso1411 2 ай бұрын
@@curtissmith8789 Thanks Curtis. I recently sold the Pan American. It just so happens I was at a BMW motorcycle dealer , looking at their bikes. When I was ready to leave, my PA wouldn't start. The BMW dealership was so nice. They had their mechanic look at it (he used to be a Harley mechanic) and he couldn't get it started. They offered to take it as a trade-in, and I accepted. I now ride a 2023 GS 1250 Adventure. I plan to do a video soon a post it on my site.
@rso1411 2 ай бұрын
@@curtissmith8789 It's probably the greatest riding experience I have ever had. I am doing it again in 2025. I will be riding with a friend this time.
@curtissmith8789 2 ай бұрын
What are you thinking about your 1250 GSA. My riding partner has one, he loves it. I think it's a very nice bike. I really like it too. If you're looking at a ADV bike, it's hard to dismiss a BMW. I will say everyone that rode a PA liked it.
@twoeagledrones 2 жыл бұрын
At my age, no hard hitting single tracks, so 50/50 street and dirt roads/fire breaks for me. My Pan America is perfect. Replaced my V-Rod.
@downbytheriver501 2 жыл бұрын
Never been a fan of HD, but this one is certainly turning my head. Good job for HD to start expanding their horizons into the ADV industry. Also, your tiny hands B-roll is hilarious.
@RIDEAdventures 2 жыл бұрын
Ha, thanks for saying so. Garrett was so excited about the tiny hands.
@BigRockMoto 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I learned a lot from this video. Your riding and scenic shots are also first class.
@RIDEAdventures 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Nice job on your videos. We're trying to catch up with you : )
@downbytheriver501 2 жыл бұрын
And the tiny hands B-roll. Brilliant 🤣
@mojomanmurph1925 2 жыл бұрын
Probably one of the best unbiased reviews. I test rode one and it will be my next bike. I currently own a HD Street Glide touring model and will not get rid of it. Different bikes for different riding adventures. Main reason I would steer towards an HD PA is dealership network availability. For those who don't live near a huge city metro area, it makes a difference. I didn't get into the riding motorcycles to be a full time mechanic, I got into it to ride. I don't care if its an motorcycle, atv, boat, jet ski, whatever toy it is. Stuff does break.
@RIDEAdventures 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for saying so, and good point about the incredibly strong Harley dealer network. RIDE on!
@sheepdog819 Жыл бұрын
This is my 4th Harley and is my favorite bike
@givemeanaxe 2 жыл бұрын
This might be one of my , if not THE favorite of all the vid's youve made so far. Great energy. Great comments. Great editing.
@RIDEAdventures 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, thanks! Garrett is a magician in the editing room, and 150hp makes the adrenaline pump a little when talking about such a bike : )
@jhooton75 2 жыл бұрын
Great review! I’m definitely going to be test riding one once I’m ready for a new bike.
@bikerjomotorradtour-adventure 2 жыл бұрын
The PANAMERICA 1250 special has arrived in the top class of adventure motorcycles. Since 26.06.2020 I own a PAN Special beside my BMW GS 1250 HPA. With my friends from K+M Harleyworld we got startet with the project 1-100.000 km. Our vision is to check the usability, the reliability and the sustainability of the new HD Motorcycle. Challenge 1 and 2 related to the usability and reliability was already completed end of October. We mounted a lot of useful stuff to make the Pan really usable for off-road adventures. Therefore a lot of innovations are mounted on my PAN „Elvis“ to make it fit for purpose. Then we crossed all high alp passes on gravel and asphalt in July. In August we went to the island of corse to cross also all high passes under high temperature conditions (40 degrees or hotter outside temp) At least my PAN has felt sand under its tyres for the first time. In September / October we got started with challenge 2. We moved to Morocco to the high Atlas region. We crossed all high Atlas passes including the Col de Ouano on gravel, we circled the big duna of Erg Chebbi on old rally Dakar tracks and we checked out heavy city traffic under high temperature conditions. Result: The PAN collected during 4 month almost 30577 km on its meter. Almost 15% of this driven kilometers where been carried out on unsaved roads, mud, gravel or sand. So unter the line the PAN made it on all playgrounds where the competitor brands usually run their shows. This without breakdown or other serious problems….. On 31st October, I have shipped my PAN to Chile. On 3rd of January 2022 I will start my adventure „all the way up“ riding the Panamericana highway from Argentina to Alaska. This last and long lasting test is mainly relayed to the point sustainability. Chapeau Harley at this point… If you are interested, check out Biker.Jo on KZfaq or Instagram …KR Jo
@OneOldManRiding 2 жыл бұрын
I rode my Yamaha FZ1 to the Pan America Demo. I expected the PA to feel slow... But in sport mode it was almost as much of a rocket as my FZ1. Incredible that a bike can handle the road at 136 Mph (Fastest my riding partner took it) and then ride dirt.
@Gnux91 2 жыл бұрын
welcome to KTM since 2005
@The333 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent review as usual, Eric. I think the PA is a cool bike for sure - bravo to Harley on their first generation ADV. bike.
@RIDEAdventures 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, and let's coax them into making the middleweight!
@jodyhaberfield5308 Жыл бұрын
thanks for the insight, i just brought one and looking forward to picking it up, sounds like its going to be great up here in the nothern teritory of Austrailai
@Froggy1121 2 жыл бұрын
Eric it is great to see on KZfaq, I really enjoyed the video! It has been a long time since I have seen you the last time was in WI, hope all is going well! I test rode the Harley and found it very enjoyable to ride! All the best and have a great 2022!
@RIDEAdventures 2 жыл бұрын
Peter, cool to see your name pop-up : ) I remember meeting and I believe, talking martial arts and such. Glad if you're still into this adventure riding thing. If so, our paths will cross again. ---- Thanks for the note.
@Burright100 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the review. I enjoyed several points you brought up, including the point about the compression ratio and less than premium gasoline. I have ridden one myself, though only on road and just loved the bike. I am 5'11" and if felt like it was build for me. Fantastic engine, felt lighter and more nimble than I expected, and handled great on the pavement. They wouldn't let me take it off road, of course. I look forward to a middle weight as well and hope Harley does a great job with it.
@RIDEAdventures 2 жыл бұрын
Richard, it'll be interesting to see how you like the bike off-pavement, and who knows, maybe after your Training Expedition next month, perhaps you'll make a point to find out : ) Thanks for watching.
@R71D Жыл бұрын
Start to finish an honest and great review.
@BlackThor15 2 жыл бұрын
Great review Eric, well done!! And I totally agree with you regarding auto-blippers, they're really not needed!! 👍👍
@RIDEAdventures 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Let's perfect our movements and rhythms instead of depending on computers : )
@stevemac2505 2 жыл бұрын
I'm late to the show here, but man that's an excellent review! Pros and cons both seemed logical and well-presented. Very nicely done!
@RIDEAdventures 2 жыл бұрын
Much appreciated! Thanks for saying so.
@kevinwestphal380 2 жыл бұрын
100% agree! I live in the metro Milwaukee area and have friends that worked for Harley. Definitely want to see a great American motorcycle company succeed! Hey Harley, listen to this man, produce a mid-size adventure bike, and make it affordable for the working man!
@RIDEAdventures 2 жыл бұрын
Kevin, let'em hear it! Thanks for the note. Probably a long-shot that they'd end up anywhere near the pricing of the Yamaha's and Hondas, but Harley is also the type of company that doesn't need to worry so much about being price-competitive. Hope they do it, and consult with me on the design of the middle-weight ADV bike. -- Eric
@us20riders68 2 жыл бұрын
Great review! Thanks guys!
@Buledoyanmotor 2 жыл бұрын
i just tried the standard version yesterday, and i was happily surprised of the qualities of that bike ! Premium Maxi-Trail indeed with Premium materials, i loved it ! thank you for your profssional and detailed review !! cheers from the Random French guy from Bali ;-)
@RIDEAdventures 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for saying so! Have fun if you buy the HD : )
@scottlazar9731 Жыл бұрын
great info, fantastic format
@RIDEAdventures Жыл бұрын
Thanks for saying so!
@comfortablyunknown700 2 жыл бұрын
I completely agree, HD should make a middle weight. Keep refining the Pan America as well. HD challenged the GS, but fell short. HD did an outstanding job though. Ride ADV, you guys always doing an outstanding job.
@RIDEAdventures 2 жыл бұрын
Comfortably, thanks! Hard to imagine how they could be cost-competitive with for example, the T7, but regardless, there are enough Harley enthusiasts out there that they could really grab some of that middleweight market. Hope so.
@dwaynejones8669 Жыл бұрын
Awesome video! Great info!
@pedrovazquez9146 2 жыл бұрын
Best Panamerica review I’ve seen. Great job.
@RIDEAdventures 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@louiebadevlogs1371 2 жыл бұрын
The best review for a PanAm, it answered all my questions. Best part of it was, “Is the PanAm for you” damn you nailed it, many thanks to this great review.
@RIDEAdventures 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Louie for the kind feedback. We try our hardest to deliver.
@generaldistrust 2 жыл бұрын
the 'hand' easter-egg is priceless! 🤣🤣
@steelosm 2 жыл бұрын
Good review. Terrific filmography. Nice balanced narrative. Thanks
@RIDEAdventures 2 жыл бұрын
Much appreciated! Thanks for noticing, definitely a Team effort making these, but we have fun : )
@robertrutter4056 2 жыл бұрын
Great review. I have a harley road glide, but have wished for an adv bike. I can't justify 2 large bikes, but a smaller adv commuter. Now we're talking. Keep it up
@RIDEAdventures 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Would be tough to give up the Road Glide, but on the other hand.....and adventure bike is the 1 bike that does it all : )
@mrkihn 2 жыл бұрын
I find your information about the Pan American to be accurate mostly from one who actually own one with 6 other motorcycles If you change out the stock HD tires to the more aggressive ones they have for the PA , you will find it to be a very capable bike . The only really bad thing I have found about the PA isn't with the bike .How HD put the bike out there with out really educating the dealers and their mechanics about them 1st . Also the backlog for getting accessories from them is ridiculous I find it kind of sad of all the haters out there , most of them who actually never ridden the PA or even a Harley . It's not about brand of bike you ride , it's about the ride . What ever bike works for you is good . I never rode or owned a motorcycle I didn't like and wish I would have kept them all . They all have different personalities
@starlordnetzero9633 2 жыл бұрын
My black HD aluminum panniers are still on back order for my 2022 PA. Picking the bike up on the 11th of April come hell or high water. Will use a 20L dry pack on the tail if necessary until the HD accessories arrive. Very frustrating
@Twinstarrider 2 жыл бұрын
I’m a little late to this party but agree with the dealer debut. That seems to be on par with how they (dealers) handled the Buell years. I’ve owned many bikes and finally an HD (FLSL) but my riding is very dirt (road) oriented. Pan am would fit the bill but I’ve had a GS that excelled in that. I’m fortunate to have a few bikes that can do their intended “jobs”. Good on Harley for this bike, but now get the bricks and mortar to back them up. Accessories, if the MoCo can’t supply there are others that will.. cheers
@grayghost1423 Жыл бұрын
Let'em hate. you'll smoke on the street with the Pan Am.
@PinkOrangeProductions 2 жыл бұрын
Love the honest review man thank you!
@samrotolo7303 2 жыл бұрын
Agree on middle weight bike. People on internet have pointed out odd part numbers in parts catalog that indicate this is a real possibility as the part number don't go to any current bike.
@yaakobbaharom7881 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Eric as usual excellent review 💕 it on every review you explain on each adv bike 👍. Hi from yaakob 🇸🇬
@RIDEAdventures 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great feedback! More videos ahead : )
@rickshutt3974 Жыл бұрын
Great review Eric. One further point on the side stand, it's bolt mounted into the engine block, so keep the weight and stress level as low as possible.
@RIDEAdventures Жыл бұрын
Yep, somehow we missed mentioning that one. Thanks for watching and the nice feedback.
@DNOYPIANGLER 2 жыл бұрын
Very good evaluation with the PA. And it is a great idea for HD to make a MW adv
@n.murat.ozturk 2 жыл бұрын
Great review thanks man 👍👍
@MinnowMoto 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing. Grass sucks when its wet. Glad you made it out ok.
@johnswanson3741 4 ай бұрын
Easy on that front brake when on wet grass
@smittysmith9509 2 жыл бұрын
Nice bike, but I will stick with my 1290 KTM SAS
@gregbaldwin9460 Жыл бұрын
Been researching for a while and test ride yesterday. This bike is in my near future. Probably 90% paved and an occasional dirt road and forest service road. I have had the revolution max for a year with the Sportster S and really love the motor.
@RIDEAdventures Жыл бұрын
The motor is a lot of fun for sure. Have fun if you get one : )
@yancywest Жыл бұрын
Absolutely agree! More than that I feel like this line could save the company. We all know Harley riders are getting older. And a lot of us started riding in the dirt. Shrink the pan am down in size and in price, and watch the stock price and the market grow. Smaller dirt bikes are perfect for the electric mkt. They are missing the target a bit with the live wire in my opinion.
@noxious456 2 жыл бұрын
Great review Eric! Now I know the bike is much better than we GS fanboys like it to be. Hope HD listens to you, you've got very valid points there.
@RIDEAdventures 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for saying so, and yea, let's cheer-on 'ol Harley to do this.
@motodxb 2 жыл бұрын
Another great review Eric. Well done
@RIDEAdventures 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Quite a bike, but we won't be running them in Patagonia anytime soon : )
@JPBARON25 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video! Thank you. New rider here and a quick probably silly question, what is the white piece of gear around your neck, Alpinestars?
@RIDEAdventures 2 жыл бұрын
Jim, welcome to the fun times ahead as a new rider, and it's actually not a toilet seat as some people have asked : ) Just an old neck brace made by Alpinestars, something I explained the reasoning and use of in the video I'm linking here. Thanks for watching and the kind words: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qpx6fah3qZeuYaM.html
@jeffreyloshaw8239 2 жыл бұрын
To begin, thanks for content. I am a new ADV rider, and your videos have offered absolutely fantastic guidance. As a relatively new street rider, the move to dirt/ADV riding has proven challenging, yet completely intoxicating. I am a Harley-Davidson enthusiast, having owned a few over the past five years. About eighteen months ago, I purchased a 2009 KLR650, and this bike has changed my life. Fast forward to a month ago, and I am trading in my 2019 Harley-Davidson FLHR on a 2021 Pan America Special. 1.5K in and it's a great bike. Some new model hiccups, but I think that is to be expected. I agree completely with you review/opinions. This is not a perfect bike, but it is more than I had expected. I had been weighing opinions with the GS, Africa Twin and T7, leaning towards the Honda, but my love for HD made me give it a shot. Unfortunately, we share similar concerns with longevity, but I am hoping for the best! Thanks again for the videos and quality advice, as it is greatly appreciated! Best wishes from PA!
@RIDEAdventures 2 жыл бұрын
PA having the other Harley hometown (York, right?) welcome to this topic of adventure riding, and congrats on the mean new machine. Quite a contrast from KLR to Pan America, both are built for fun, so enjoy what's ahead, and thanks for commenting and watching.
@jeffreyloshaw8239 2 жыл бұрын
@@RIDEAdventures The assembly plant is in York, PA. I believe Milwaukee is all motor work, and the bikes are assembled in York. Almost forgot, you could not be more correct with the middle weight recommendation. The Revolution Max is said to be module, with a 975 version that was developed for the Bronx naked concept bike. Same 60 degree V, but 975cc. Maybe middle weight motor? I don't know, but these are cool times with respect to motorcycles. Thanks again for what you do. The channel is great.
@mardelplatalimousines3423 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent review as usual, best regards from Barcelona!!
@RIDEAdventures 2 жыл бұрын
Many thanks! Greetings from Oregon. Numerous world Travelers I've met, when asking them "what's the best/greatest city in the world," have answered: Barcelona
@mardelplatalimousines3423 2 жыл бұрын
@@RIDEAdventures thank you friend!
@chuytrejo9451 2 жыл бұрын
Love the Lil hand lol great review
@josephgunter2563 8 ай бұрын
Side stand also is bolted directly to the engine case..by 3 bolts..could be a problem if stressed to much...i was surprised to hear that as I own a 23 special.. I love it so far..
@motohonduras6095 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for all this!
@Janduin45 2 жыл бұрын
I can't wait for the first side stand pivot turn caught on camera. It'll probably be quite a hilarious video.
@towermac1976 2 жыл бұрын
Bret did a review and showed that the side stand was attached to the engine, would make me pretty nervous to pivot the bike out of a tight spot using the stand.
@RIDEAdventures 2 жыл бұрын
Yea, we somehow missed mentioning that. Probably not the rugged type of adventure bike one would get into such situations anyway, but a good reminder why not to.
@raven-rd5jn 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much, Eric! Again, another awesome video filled with common sense. I'm a second season rider with about 30K km under my belt, a couple of mild-ish crashes and I've even hit a deer (in my case it sounds a lot worse than it actually was). The Pan America looks like an amazing first entry for Harley into the ADV category...but I don't think its the bike for me, personally. Can I put in a request? I know its not as simple as you just going out and riding one but I would love to see a review on a Triumph Scrambler 1200 XE with some Giant Loop or MoskoMoto bags from an ADV rider perspective. Again, thanks for the awesome content!
@RIDEAdventures 2 жыл бұрын
Hearing so many good things about that Scrambler, we'll add it to the list. With any luck, Triumph's will be sold here in our local market (Bend, Oregon) soon, and so that will be a natural addition to our operations. Thanks for sharing and watching!
@mcrandown 2 жыл бұрын
My wife actually just picked up a scrambler 1200 and just traded in my street glide for a pan america. Unfortunately there is still snow on the ground here and it's a little chilly out still. I can't wait to get out on our new bikes
@Im-a-Fool Жыл бұрын
I agree with you on HD needing to better compete with the Japanese middle weight Adventurer market for the reasons you explained, I personally consider the Pan America in its current form to be more a Sport Tourer than an Adventurer, Ground clearance limations for such a heavy bike will certainly limit your offroard riding to just gravel or dirt roads. I am bewildered at thier choice to place the rectifier and battery in thier current locations, also simple air filter changing looks pretty involved. The maintenance free Valve adjustment looks appealing and is a great idea but is offset by the yet to be discovered longevity of the high compression engine as you stated, but then again everything made today is engineered with planned obsolescence in mind. At that price point I personally will stick to the longevity and dependability of the Honda and Yamaha Adventurer options. HD has some catching up to do in the Adventurer arena but look forward to see what they do, if they decide to continue to play in that market.
@jasonshortphd Жыл бұрын
I totally agree that they need a middle weight bike. I bought a Tiger 900 just for that reason. The 1200 and the GS were both WAY too tall and heavy. Pan America has definitely got me interested, but the current one is too heavy for me.
@murlyn2 Жыл бұрын
Great job. Subscribed
@RIDEAdventures Жыл бұрын
Awesome, thank you!
@ToniJoD 8 ай бұрын
Overall great video. Only problem I had was with the comparison of the compression ratios to a completely different class of ADV bikes. The PanAm's 13:1 ratio is comparable to the BMW 1250 GS's 12.5:1 and the KTM 1290 Super Adventure's 13.1:1. I agree with the concerns over accessibility to higher octane fuels in remote locations though, and what that looks like over the lifetime of a yet to be tested engine.
@FM-db3ft Жыл бұрын
New starter clutch fixed the high compression on starts, all other issues have been fixed with software updates, aftermarket parts are plenty to make it perfect for selective riding positions, protection etc. including a quick shifter. Shorter riders must try the Special and the reach seat options.
@davidschneider7548 2 жыл бұрын
I am seriously thinking and contemplating trading in my 2016 Street glide for a Pan America special
@RIDEAdventures 2 жыл бұрын
It'll open a bunch of new paths for you......so have fun : )
@billreynolds2221 Жыл бұрын
Harley has the engineers to build anything. The pan America is their first bike to almost forget they make cruisers. I own a 2022 Bmw r1250gs and have finally found what may be the most competent and comfortable motorcycle for my needs. I didn’t get a chance to ride the Harley but my instincts tell me it’s equally impressive. What a great time to be riding these new creations.
@RIDEAdventures Жыл бұрын
Lots of great options out there for sure, but that Beemer you're riding sure is highlight. Enjoy, thanks for watching, and RIDE on!
@nbrider7235 2 жыл бұрын
I bought the base model Pan Am as I didn't really need many of the features of the Special as I ride it mostly on ride for touring. At 6'2" I also don't need the ARH to touch the ground when stopped but if I were to do it over again I would buy the Special with the ARH and then put on the accessory high seat that HD sells. The reason being is that I find the leg room right at the limit of what I find comfortable, if I were to put the high seat on I would no longer be able to comfortably reach the ground. I also find the stock seat to be a little too soft for long trips but that is likely due to my size - 245lbs - and a Corbin seat is in my very near future. I puzzle to understand why the rectifier/regulator is where it is but haven't had any issues with it yet so what do I know? Overall I'm very happy with my Pan Am after trying a few different bikes to replace my beloved 2009 Buell Ulysses. Ride safe out there.
@RIDEAdventures 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing, and yea, maybe that Adaptive Ride Height could have been useful. Wonder what they are charging to add it? Congrats on your fun machine, and yea, Corbin makes great seats.
@nbrider7235 2 жыл бұрын
@@RIDEAdventures In Canada the base model is $20,999, the Special is $24,199. Of course the ARH is only offered as an option on the Special due to the Semi-Active Suspension (the base model has regular suspension and is very good), the ARH is $1200. After taxes it comes out to $5060 plus another $800 for the spoked wheels should you want them. A pretty big hit but given all the extras that come with the Special it is actually probably a pretty good value.
@WillieJohnRidesAgain Жыл бұрын
I like this review. Very comprehensive. I would be more interested in a middle weight than a 1250.
@NorCalSaint Жыл бұрын
Test rode one two days ago and it seems like a solid sports touring bike that you can take on some dirt if wanted. Closest competitor is the Multistrada IMO -- Negatives: Wasn't a huge fan of the engine sound (reminded me of a tractor), mirrors got a bit fuzzy under throttle, and breaking didn't seem as good as my Africa Twin.
@gustafjacobson6558 2 жыл бұрын
Great review!! In the market for a Honda ATAS but also thinking a little bit on the PanAm, since I’m selling my 2019 Street Bob to finance my Adv bike. My cons are like yours. I feel that a lot of details like the rear brake cylinder feels misplaced, low quality feeling in the mirrors and plastics etc. and the small wheels. I have test rided it and it was a blast though, but only on road, haven’t tried it off road. But for a mix of on/off road maybe the Honda is a better choice?
@RIDEAdventures 2 жыл бұрын
This rider (Eric) would absolutely take an ATAS over the Pan America for dirt stuff. So, it depends on what "mix" you plan to do : ) Thanks for the note.
@nickralph6765 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting review. Since making this video have you had any further experiences with the electrics ? was talking to an Owner of one andhe commented that the sensors on various systems seem to be overly sensitive. The bike itself was fine but warning lights going off is a bit irritating.
@RIDEAdventures 2 жыл бұрын
We only had that bike for a couple of days, and have not seen it since. Let's see what others have to say.
@dogsnmotorcycles 2 жыл бұрын
With the popularity of the adventure bikes, it's wise of HD to jump into this. I'd like to see the Pan America with a shaft drive, but it looks like a capable, do everything bike.
@schweiberholzfaller8597 2 жыл бұрын
Eric, I think this is a great review!! I believe you did a great job showcasing the pro's and con's of the PA. I also believe you did a great job keeping the topic focused on the PA and not muddying the waters with other manufactures spec's in comparison. That however leaves me with questions for you. How did the ground clearance feel compared to a GS? seeing how they are pretty close to each other. Did you ever feel like you would like to manually adjust the suspension? either for on road or off road? How did the weight feel compared to other bikes you've ridden in the middle weight class? The PA outweighs the middle weight bikes sure. Not by much when looking at the africa twin? The other's... by about 100 pounds. I can say that the PA feels much better off-road weight wise than my old XR650 and the PA is 100 pounds heavier. I do miss the ground clearance and suspension travel of the XR... LOL. The weight on the PA is very, very low. With the KTM super adventure R at 13.1:1 compression. How do they get around engine life and poor gas especially since they are so popular across the pond? KTM is known for service intervals but does that mean engine rebuilds? When you were on the hill climb and aborted it, was the traction control off? The voltage regulator is supposed to be hardened and able to take some hits. As far as the mounting location. That's not any different from any other Harley. They seem to have the units sealed pretty well from road grime. Would I put it there on an off road bike? No. I wouldn't put the battery there either to get hit. Or the oil filter way down low like it is.
@RIDEAdventures 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great feedback! A couple of these questions about "feel" are pretty tough to answer, and the actual manufacturer ground clearance specs would be better than my suggesting any difference on. ----- We sure hope that Harley put good enough engine components in there to make the 13:1 compression ratio last a long time. Such a high price for a bike overall might indicate that parts of of high quality, but we don't know of anyone with a bunch of miles on the PA yet. ------- That Hillclimb: The Traction Control was actually "on" when I got stuck, and then let myself get flung off. We spent a bunch of time that day in the menu system trying to turn off the TC (like is necessary on a KTM) and even called the dealer to see if they knew how, only to then later notice that actual TC button on the right hand grip! Oh well :) Fun bike with a few flaws. Thanks for watching.
@schweiberholzfaller8597 2 жыл бұрын
@@RIDEAdventures I appreciate the response. I agree that the bike has a few flaws. Not sure what motorcycle or car that doesn't. Seems every manufacture has some weak spots and as consumers we get to decide which ones we are willing to live with. I thought that the TC was probably what caused the hill climb oops. I did a couple short hill climbs and found out I had left it on when the rear tire would only slip for the most brief moments. It didn't cause me any grief as the hills I was on in those times were short enough to ride through it before loosing to much speed. After I posted my comment I started thinking. What should another person take from someone else's review? What I mean is...If riding is dynamic and is constantly changing to suit the environment. Both on road or off-road. Then That knowledge is limited to just that. You having the opportunity of riding several different bikes on the tours you offer or maybe even for fun. Is why I was asking for your opinion on the "feel" of the PA. I've never been on a 1290 Super Adventure R. I've never been on a BMW 1250 GS. Just looking for some point of perspective from someone who has.
@RIDEAdventures 2 жыл бұрын
@@schweiberholzfaller8597, all good, and thanks for checking with us. Yea, it's just hard to articulate by text what the 'feel' differences are, but generally: The KTM would be the most agile of the 3 bikes, then the BMW, and then the Harley. But given what you said, the dynamic nature of riding.....each of us might feel something different. Whatever the case, let's just have fun and ride, noting that the BEST adventure bike is the one you're sitting on right now : )
@schweiberholzfaller8597 2 жыл бұрын
@@RIDEAdventures For sure. I can definitely understand the difficulty of communicating through text. Thank you for sharing your opinion. It is greatly appreciated. I absolutely agree that we should all have fun and enjoy the ride. After all. Why ride if your not enjoying it? I also very much agree that adventure happens no matter what bike your riding and no matter the environment. Thank you for mentioning that!! We are not so far apart in this world. Maybe we will cross paths some day. It would be nice to meet you in person. Take care and ride safe!!
@loloq7870 2 жыл бұрын
Best review..tq dude
@RIDEAdventures 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! More ahead.
@SandraOrtmann1976 2 жыл бұрын
A middleweight ADV with that self-lowering base? Might give it a second thought, as I am just too short for a T7...Harley should gain a bit of speed though, as the Honda Transalp seems to be joining the game, too...
@biscuitsalive 2 жыл бұрын
I have a somewhat stupid question. Lean angle, how does a bike figure that out? When you are going round a bend and leaning over, the lean is balancing the centripetal force with gravity, in equal measure. So you are pulled directly down into the seat. So a G force sensor wouldn’t know you were leaning over. If you see what I mean. (There isn’t a force making you feel like you are flying off the seat towards the outside of the bend, like in a car. The “centrifugal” force. ) Sure you may get pulled down into your seat harder around a corner, but that’s also true if you ride into a rising road section. So it can’t be that. Are there optical sensors that read the distance of the road surface out from each side of the bike? (Like a drone crash avoidance sensor.) I maybe missing a obvious answer to this, let me know.
@srhintz 2 жыл бұрын
I didn't even know you rode. You were great in Wedding Crashers.
@RIDEAdventures 2 жыл бұрын
V.V. : )
@davidmassey3364 2 жыл бұрын
The middle weight idea is right. I think a 700 or 750 Revolution Max would work out ok. But let’s see what happens.
@mithunkartha 2 жыл бұрын
3:53 pats the scratched exhaust, good to see Anabelle the satanic doll came along for the ride. Good review. FYI India's first customer owned Pan America has done the Zanskar Ranges about 7700 meters elevation without issues at least short term 😉.
@RIDEAdventures 2 жыл бұрын
Good info, thanks for sharing. Even with the best ignition timing, we were a little concerned with 13:1
@thepinoz 2 жыл бұрын
good review! While I agree that a middle weight would be great to have, not sure HD "needs" a parallel twin.. after all suzuki has one and it's doing alright. maybe having a V is what can distinguish them, a little like suzuki's or Moto Guzzi's engine
@RIDEAdventures 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! If they want to maximize the suspension travel and ground clearance while keeping the seat height reasonably low, it's going to be tough with that rear cylinder on a V-Twin. Cheering for them either way.
@mechanizedfuture1694 2 жыл бұрын
Great review - I rode this bike on the road - amazing power and flow to the bike. With the new Kawasaki KLR 650 just out - is this a bike you would look at reviewing and/or adding them into your stable of adventure bikes for tours?
@RIDEAdventures 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, we still have the previous versions of the KLR in operation in Peru, and ran them for years in Patagonia. Just haven't bought the new one yet, as we've got a ton we're juggling right now. Will do a review on it for sure once we've tested it out. Thanks for checking in.
@mechanizedfuture1694 2 жыл бұрын
@@RIDEAdventures thanks for the reply.
@vernlochtefeld1626 2 жыл бұрын
Great review great bike
@RIDEAdventures 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! 👍
@nanchitogonzalez 2 жыл бұрын
I would like your opinion on comparing the pan America with Ktm, BMW, and Honda, great video thanks greetings from Colombia 🇨🇴
@RIDEAdventures 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, and we'll add it to the list : ) Slowing down on KTM purchases for a while though, until they have some reliability issues figured out. BMW not far behind with all the electrical issues.
@nanchitogonzalez 2 жыл бұрын
thanks for your answer, I am thinking about taking the risk of buying a Pan America, what do you suggest to me? Greetings
@OneManTrail 2 жыл бұрын
Harley Davidson was listening to you about that middleweight bike right up until you said make it reliable. Then they left the chat.
@RIDEAdventures Жыл бұрын
Ha, ha. Come on, some rankings have Harleys as being more reliable than Austrian and German bikes at this point (but yes, still behind the Japanese brands in this regard.) If they would just call me, I'm sure we could come up with something reliable : )
@walterleaumont6033 2 жыл бұрын
Great review
@RIDEAdventures 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for saying so!
@Sherry-jx9hs 2 жыл бұрын
Just wanted to add a comment. I am not in the market for ADV bikes I am too old and all that maybe if I had a 125 Honda and friends I could go with I would consider it. I would have liked to see you take it out in the mud and see how it handled. I know everybody is different but I saw another review about this bike and the guy had some real trouble with it. That guy was shorter and he was out in the dirt to see what it would do and like I said he had some real problems. I don't want to beat anybody up so I am only going to talk generally and I am sure folks can find those videos if they search on KZfaq. I think he really felt about the same as you did in most of his review but since you mentioned the kickstand he had the bike fall over because the dirt was soft and he got it stuck on the center stand later I think because the suspension lowered when he stopped on a hill. Anyhow great video be watching for more :)
@RIDEAdventures 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, and more videos ahead. Wish we could have played in the mud, but mud just isn't an opion here in Central Oregon's High Desert in the summertime.
@benjamintemple3607 2 жыл бұрын
I absolutely agree that H-D will have to also produce a middle weight bike. I don't think I'd ever get it as the Pan Am suites my needs perfectly.
@RIDEAdventures 2 жыл бұрын
Another cheer for the mid-sized ADV bike, Harley.........are you listening, watching, paying attention? Every mfg needs to get into the middle-weight adventure bike scene.
@whdbnrm3023 Жыл бұрын
@@RIDEAdventures No need for it
@Firestorm637 2 жыл бұрын
Cars and motorcycles have recommended octane numbers. Manufacturers realize some countries do not offer 91 octane for maximum performance. Antiknock/dieseling are software covered with less performance noted with non optimal fuel numbers. Works the other way also. If you fueled 91 octane in a vehicle that requires only 87 no increase in performance as just wasting money. Multistrada V4, Super Adventure, Ducati Desert X all running higher compression for improved performance as engine designed from factory vs someone changing the compression from non factory specs by changing to different pistons to increase compression. VVT and forced induction could be seen more frequently in bikes similar to cars. Direct injection may not appear like cars because of the faster rpm’s bikes require.
@clerdman1 2 жыл бұрын
The tiny hand had me in stitches
@RIDEAdventures 2 жыл бұрын
Garrett's contribution, among many others : )
@user-cx2bk6pm2f 2 жыл бұрын
Good call on the goofy regulator placement.
@ingenieriasdwight9585 2 жыл бұрын
I'm looking forward to buy one of these bikes but I'm worried about that regulator being so low, I do a lot of water crossings and it seems that it could be a problem. Did you tested it on water crossings?
@RIDEAdventures 2 жыл бұрын
Did not test it across water yet. Anyone else?
@DjVendetta Жыл бұрын
Little late to this video but that was the rear brake reservoir not the master cylinder. Also you run into detonation issues at lower elevations where there is more oxygen then at higher where there is less when using a lower octane or quality fuel.
@stevek4449 2 ай бұрын
14:00 maybe a fast paced Pikes peak test on 87 octane gas is in order?
@RIDEAdventures 2 ай бұрын
Yea, we still haven't heard anyone comment negatively about altitude riding, so hopefully that means Harley nailed it with the mapping. Lest we be dieseling up there :) --- Thanks for watching and commenting.
@hazygs7060 2 жыл бұрын
I think the Bronx was (is?) supposed to have a 975cc variant of that engine. I would expect that to pop up in some other future models as well. Perhaps that would be HD’s middleweight (upper middleweight, really) entry?
@RIDEAdventures 2 жыл бұрын
Going to be hard to fit a V-Twin that big into a "middleweight," give it ample ground clearance and suspension travel, and keep the seat height below where it needs to be. Thing might be as tall as a Honda XR650L. Let's see : ) Thanks for commenting.
@LARGO125 2 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, the new HD CEO killed the Bronx. One of his first announcements. We will probably see the 975 on the new base model Sportster in 22.
@BlueAlgon 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely! A middleweight would definitely help. Just don't make it a heavy middleweight. My wish would be about 215 kg (473 lbs) max. If it could retain the hydraulic valve adjusting. Brilliant!
@UpAllNightDude 2 жыл бұрын
Have you had any issues that you’ve noticed? It’s a great bike, but with any new model you’re going to have growing pains. From the starter issues to the radiator hose, to even the clock there are several things that need fixed. That said, I still love my PAS. I’m currently full time motorcycling so been putting a lot of miles on this new platform and still impressed with the way it rides and handles.
@RIDEAdventures 2 жыл бұрын
We didn’t actually buy the Pan America, as it just doesn’t fit so well with the rest of our Oregon-based rental fleet. But yea, hope they resolve a few issues.
@LauraAbel 2 жыл бұрын
The clock!! I’m so short that there is a cable that hides the clock completely.
@rogergress9520 Жыл бұрын
Great Video! Listen H-D !
@RIDEAdventures Жыл бұрын
Hope they do. Thanks for watching : )
@trd4d Жыл бұрын
I was really set on either the PA or the 850 GS. Realized both run 91. Not gonna happen.
@raresstefanbaciu1490 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Eric! I was wondering what do you think about the Royal Enfield Himalayan, even though I know you might be a bit too big for this kind of bike, would you suggest it to a beginner? I am 5"9 and 150lbs
@RIDEAdventures 2 жыл бұрын
Some folks have complained about reliability issues with the Himalayan, but its stature and size should be pretty good for beginners who match it. Go for it!
@mithunkartha 2 жыл бұрын
As a Himalayan owner, issues yes, but not a deal breaker. It's easy on the pocket, service and spares.
@guywolff Жыл бұрын
SO HD have a look at the Harley-Davidson XA 740 from WW2: Shaft drive maybe taller suspension with an Ealres fork idea up font and modern brakes .. If you keep the look of the old bike you will sell a ton of them . It is a bike HD made for the North African War . Great back story of sales :)
@user-cx2bk6pm2f 2 жыл бұрын
Sidestand is bolted into the engine block!! Somebody let me know if it'll withstand a 180 rotation on the sidestand.
@lpete531 2 жыл бұрын
Small displacement is the next step, you're right about that. I also would like to have hard side luggage as an option, not everyone enjoy the large metal side cases. Great review 👍🏽
@RedEmpire36 2 жыл бұрын
They do have a sport style case set as well as fabric style.
@lpete531 2 жыл бұрын
@@RedEmpire36 I take a look into, but I haven't seen any displayed on KZfaq nor at the HD dealership. Thank you for your reply back 👍🏽
@jrbass62 2 жыл бұрын
Take the kickstand mount off the engine case!!! That's asking for trouble on adventure bikes!!
@Eds_PanAm Жыл бұрын
just found this video......what do you think of the airbox setup? that worries me more than the regulator...
@RIDEAdventures Жыл бұрын
Didn't notice, what in particular about it? We only had the bike a couple of days.
@Eds_PanAm Жыл бұрын
@@RIDEAdventures i just put money down on one lol, but the air box intake is right behind the radiator, tank has to come off, and there actually a small amount of water in there....thats all....enjoy the bike man, i can't wait to get mine!
@billyflanagan9657 2 ай бұрын
Who is your insurance company for renting motorcycles? Thanks
@TheShippilot 11 ай бұрын
is the PanAm faster than the BMW gs adventure?
@williammurphy3846 2 жыл бұрын
What is that funny looking thing around your neck, that looks like where your "space" helmet connects?
@RIDEAdventures 2 жыл бұрын
Some joke that it's a toilet seat, but it's just a neck brace made by Alpinestars. Similar to what race car drivers use to prevent neck injuries. Hope we never "need" it : ) Thanks for watching.
@michaelvadney5803 Жыл бұрын
How is the engine heat in heavy traffic.
@RIDEAdventures Жыл бұрын
We didn't spend time in traffic out here in Central Oregon, but I think some other riders have reported this bike as getting a little hot down there.
@ridingwithmarshall 2 жыл бұрын
I'm from Milwaukee too! Even worked in Grande Avenue Mall at the camera store (back when dinosaurs roamed freely). That 13:1 is a real issue. The PA that I demo'd has already blender'd its engine on someone else's demo ride. The dealer blamed the rider for revving up to 7k, but where's that rev limiter? They had to replace THE WHOLE ENGINE, it's not very modular. What if that happens when you are outside of your warranty? I'm guessing you might be looking at $5k or more. If the metric adv bikes aren't playing with compression ratios that high, how reliable can "The Motor Company" version be?
@RIDEAdventures 2 жыл бұрын
What's up my fellow Milwaukeean! Yea, it's going to be interesting to see when these PA's have some higher mileage, whether they're holding up or not. Fun bike in a lot of ways, so let's hope they hold up. Thanks for watching and commenting : )
@ridingwithmarshall 2 жыл бұрын
@@RIDEAdventures I also agree about needing a middleweight, like, how about a Sportster SCRAMBLER??
@RIDEAdventures 2 жыл бұрын
@@ridingwithmarshall, yea, but they need to get away from that VTwin and basically just make a full-frame (not Stressed Member Chassis) version of the Tenere 700. In my opinion : )
@ridingwithmarshall 2 жыл бұрын
@@RIDEAdventures I've said that for years, that Harley could show the world the power of American engineering again, if they would just let go of the same old heritage marketing. At least they finally discovered VVT, which I had on my 2008 Concours.
@FM-db3ft Жыл бұрын
All fixed with new started clutch
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