Donna won't even have the guts to talk back at jessica

She was the only one who had the courage to face Jessica several times

@@effy8774 really. Jess just treated her some how coz of harvey

@@effy8774 if Jessica was there, donna wouldn't even dare ask for senior partnership

@@harshagrawal1056 She asked partner to get COO

Like business degree

RIGHT. That too, is a crazy prestigious post anywhere, let alone in a big-shot Manhattan law firm. Top-notch business education required, formal and traditional career track required.Having slept w/ one of the partners years ago...clearly the exception lol

Plus the show never shows her doing COO work, the one time she does is because she is forced by zane

@@adrianmat1563 and she makes a big deal about that too, saying that, "This is not what I do.'

@@sahastrajitsingh2646 could you imagine going into your boss and saying, I don't do that kind of work. You might as well pack up your desk and leave

Katrina and Louis were amazing in the last seasons!

@@Blue-ub8ld nah mike and Jenny

@@Blue-ub8ldi agree.

Plus Katrina is the hottest in the show

This is so true, She would spend a couple weeks maybe even months shopping about for something better then when nothing came along, she would come begging Harvey to take her back. That would be reality

No, she may not get a COO role elsewhere, but with her experience and skills, she's not just an "office secretary". She would be senior administrator or similar in many top companies.

@@philwill0123 Senior Administrator, doing more work making way less money. Then again least she wouldn't be an office secretary. She made roughly 150,00-250,000. Doubt she's making that without "plot armor".

She was either sleeping with Harvey or had dirt on him?. The series started so well but ended ridiculously at the end?

I know right. The fact Harvey agreed to it makes me question his decision making skills to begin with

@@thatrandomguy8988he slept with her. Once you sleep with someone your vision gets blurred

Cuz jessica didn’t have a crush on her she could manipulate.

Ah no. Jessica was always impressed by Donna.

@@prachetasnayse9709 Jessica was impressed occasionally but she never would have promoted Donna to a position she did not deserve.

@@aperson1248iejeon that’s kinda my whole point. Donna wouldn’t have asked her cause she knew her place during Jessica’s reign.

@@prachetasnayse9709that was not your point. 2 comments w 2 completely different ideas

Man I liked her in first seasons , now I cant stand her

Right? She's half psychic half telepath. She should leave Specter Litt and join Avengers instead.

@@Squidlark Ok that was funny.

@@Squidlark very funny

Triple h is the COO of WWE. Haven't googled it but does he have qualifications?

Lol if there are CEOs who don't have degrees, you can get there are COOs without them as well.

Louis was dying for senior partner while every new guy in the series got their promotion granted . Jeff, and Scottie prime examples of it

@@astraverse2640Jeff and Scottie were already senior partners when they joins pearson specter

@@ZAKI-ze9uxthe chances of them making it within the firm was slim

@@astraverse2640Scotty gave up name partner at Darby international to join Pearson spectre as senior partner with little hope for name partner.

​@@ZAKI-ze9ux it was a little unrealistic that every new employee got their name on the door. But somehow Louis couldn't.

In corpo America it’s usually who you know, and not what you know

@@Jajaky In most corporates in the world

Unfortunately this mentality exists with many employees

Well said

@ljg215 he could've paid it back

@ljg215 that wasn’t the issue he was willing to pay it back so she doesn’t become partner he just allowed it because he cares for her too much

Actually, he needed Donna, and he needed a lot. Not to be a lawyer, but to be live his life in general. Just see how he was when she left him for Louis.

@@bernardoteodosiowell that wouldn’t be a problem anymore since he got thru the issues with his mom and he got thru his issues with Donna leaving before she came back

writers made donna so powerful imao.

Well said being Bold and smart is always necessary, like you said

Women are tricky. Being bold and straight forward in touchy situations can also get you shot. I know that with experience

The most overrated character is Mike, who mentally memorizes or photographs thousands of pages in a matter of hours. Which is impossible. Instead, it is possible to find out everything you need to know about the administrative and operational functioning of a company in 12 years. And if you have the skills to meet people and know how to work with them, the skills that Donna has you can become a COO.

@@simone3633 um no it’s not impossible if you have a photographic or eidetic memory

@@simone3633 that doesn't make him overrated, it means you refuse to suspend disbelief.

@@simone3633 you’ve clearly never been a COO or are a poor one. 12 years in a company doesn’t mean you know how to be COO.

​​@@wwpark It's clear you didn't understand how the writers built the character of Donna and the relationship between her and Harvey. The fact that Donna was never just a secretary. She and Harvey were partners, a team where Donna complemented Harvey with her skills. If you understood the characters and knew what a COO is and how many types of COOs there are, you would see that Donna fits the role. You didn't even understand my comment. In 12 years, Donna hasn't slept behind a desk. She knows everything about the company and employees and has won the trust and respect of the partners. These, together with all the skills that the writers gave her, make her suitable for COO.

Oh you are definitely not alone. She is so holier than thou. And I don’t know what your opinion is of Mike, but Mike is such a bad character as well.

@@erhhsdhh2099 I kind of get why people hate Mike, but i'm mid-way season 7 and I still don't completely get it. To me Rachel will be my top 1 as most hated character, but I also see that Mike is sometimes reckless, putting people that did everything for him at danger, and his "photographic memory" that it's just plot armour for him to beat anyone, even though it doesn't make sense. Care to elaborate you point?

Time.

@@nikofranko8029 but that’s not Katrina and Harvey’s fault. If you don’t have the proper education then you can’t be a partner in a law firm.

@@glogler I'd say that Harvey might feel responsible :/ Generally you're right it's not their fault at all, but Donna gave up a lot for Harvey

... because "that not what I do"

@@nikofranko8029 but Katrina does have a point. It makes it less meaningful to make partner if Harvey hands it to someone he cares about instead of someone who earned it like Katrina and other Lawyers

"But....but I've put myself second for so many years. It's time you out me first"

I don't really like her

@@kartikvyakaranam1710 that was her job! And it’s called being someone’s assistant, a right hand simply. Not “putting myself second”, which is overdramatized.

Exactly, Alex and Samantha did not deserve name partner

And more to come haha

That's what happens when the managing partner can't make a decision. This show was great, but it went down hill big time when the head of the firm couldn't make a direct decision and be firm on the decision. On top of that, since Jessica left, the managing director changed 3/4 times between Zane, Harvey and Louis! All because of this exact reason. I'm no law expert, but one thing is for sure, if the top can't make firm decisions, then the bottom definitely won't know what's going on.

@@barsondor maybe that was the motive? To show only Jessica could properly run and hold the firm together

Should have stayed Pearson Specter Litt and now we’re done

who asked

@@rockwellrye3403: I or nobody else asked for your opinion, so go back to sleep.

@@rockwellrye3403 😅😅

Because his decision to make Donna partner was more an emotional one than a business one. That's what changed the dynamic. It should have been shut down from the start.

Because he had a soft corner. If it had been anyone else, Harvey would have laid them out.

Because Harvey is ultimately a simp for Donna

@@usmanqureshi8941 😂😂 it hurts to realise this

I feel that bro

Hi did you see mad men ? I didn’t like the look of it at first and never gave it a chance till years later , if ypu loved suits ypu will be CRAZY O. LOVE WITH MAD MEN ,JUST GIVE IT AN EPISODE OR TWO ,

@@christinebeames2311 I haven't seen it yet, will watch it since you recommended 😃

That was bizarre

she didn't even go for coffee like other secretaries. She was just earning 6 figures because Harvey found her attractive

If you are not a COO, and don't have close proximity to one, how can you know what a COO does or doesn't do

If you want to know what a COO does, why not do your own documentation?

Her promotion wasn't unrealistic if you look at our world today.

Jessica appreciated her and that's not the reason if you watch the previous episodes.Having a degree is not necessary to be a ceo or coo.For example in Iron Man Tony Stark made his secretary Pepper Ceo.

Suits: The show where it's cute & witty to be a Master Manipulator

Because it costs her nothing and gives her everything duh

Just curious what these other twos are.

Depends

Yeah how did Louis not get the COO position?

Interesting

She was totally selfish and definitely not loyal tho. She destroyed that memo, before learning it was a fake, solely to avoid any blame being put on her since it had her stamp on it. She then throws Harvey under the bus and fully commits to letting him take the fall by refusing to own up to her own mistake and testifying as to what she did. Later on she ditches Harvey immediately after he just got her out of going to prison and let’s not forget when she broke privilege by telling thomas Kessler confidential information and once again deciding to let Harvey take the fall instead of her (she doesn’t even bother showing up to that hearing even though it was her fault and not Harvey’s). Lastly, she also crumbled on the stand at mikes trial and plead the fifth in an attempt to put her own needs above everyone else’s.

Also he shouldn't give promotion based on his relationship

@@WayneMercy Donna is the one who opened it eyes to Cameron's illegalities and who later saves him from the accusation of hiding the evidence. Thanks to her, he caught Daniel red-handed and made him resign so that Jessica became manager partner and Harvey became a partner and received the much-dreamed office. Donna broke the law and destroyed the memo to protect him and was fired. And even if she no longer worked for him, she convinged Louis gave up the suspension request due to the aggression. Friends and the entire network of acquaintances (prosecution, bar, judges' offices) are used to facilitate Harvey's business and help him achieve his goals. His files are at the top of the pile to be taken with priority. Even if he is not a lawyer, he has a lot of great ideas that help him solve his cases and if it hadn't been for her to temper his impulsive nature, he would have made a lot of mistakes. He leaves the intercom open precisely because he trusts her judgement. However, when Paula asks him to fire her, he racks his brains to find a solution to get rid of her and doesn't even have the decency to tell her in front of. This is what loyalty looks like at that moment Donna the selfish told Harvey to do something to make Mike's dream come true (to become a lawyer) she told Rachel to plead her case with Jessica to pay for her college and Donna went to Jessica and obtained Louis the office on Malone's corner.

She's definitely overrated Loved her though But being sassy and big mouth doesn't make you qualified

@@blepala This relationship was developed by the writers precisely in the perspective of promotion. The functioning of the CEO - COO team is based precisely on respect, on that connection that allows them to talk honestly about anything at any time (midnight or 6 in the morning) and on absolute trust. The confidence to reveal his deepest secrets, to offer a blank check, the keys of his house or access to bank accounts.

Harvey went soft with her Happened to him in front of those for whom he cared So not any Genius from Donna She was close to Harvey

@@yydd4954 Donna becoming COO is a mistake.

@@yydd4954 The relationship between CEO and COO does not exist without the connection between the two based on trust and respect.

@@simone3633 oh really? That's a qualification now? Listen, what you saying is secondary or maybe tertiary. Donna doesn't complete the primary criteria lol

@@yydd4954 the standard conditions for this position are: a bachelor's degree, between 5-10 years of experience in the company, a series of skills that have been proven during this period of work in the company. A bachelor's degree in business would be required for certain types of COOs or if the duties in the job description require it.

At least mike passed the bar

@@Well_be_right_backWas still a fraud though. Donna is also unqualified to be COO but at least she wasn’t fraudulently being a sec. Can’t stand Donna but Mike is the worst character in the whole show

No she’s not. Harvey just has a soft spot for her

@@jasonmoukala8909 Yes, the weak point is called trust or maybe loyalty which must work in both directions

@@izzyizzy241 no it’s called favoring someone purely based on emotions with no regard to justification and qualification.

@@NineDiamont If you know under what conditions you can hold the position of COO and how many types of COO there are, you will find out that there is also justification and qualification. An entire team of writers have been working on the construction of these characters since ep 1 and nothing has been done at random or without documentation.

Yup my only gripe with this show is how important they tried to make her

exactly!!! so annoying how they really tried to force us to think anything else

And you're also an entitled lowly educated woman.

​@@lordhwsgaming400 Do you even know what a COO is?

High what. She should be a therapist not a COO?

You're right. Not only did Louis respect and appreciate Donna but also Robert, and everyone in the company. Especially Harvey, who knew her best and had full confidence in her. I don't understand so many malicious comments from people who don't even know what conditions you can become a COO and what your job duties are. Because if he knew, he would see that Donna is the best fit for this job. That was the writers' plan for Donna from the beginning.

What did she ever do for the firm

@@jasonmoukala8909 well being a secretary -:) everything else was just her witty remarks and entitlement. Harvey had a crush on her and Louis was jeleaous because she was Harveys secretary like he wanted Mike bec. He was Harvey s assistent. Gretchen did the same things Donna did .

@@listrahtes Gretchen did a way better job than donna

The real work of a COO is as stated in the job description. A CEO also appoints a COO according to his needs.

She wanted respect and she always has. She thought she had respect as a legal secretary which is why she had no problem with it for years, but realized that harvey was paying her salary, which meant the firm didnt actually respect her, they only respected harvey. She also realized from the donna computer arc that the people who took harvey seriously wouldnt take her seriously. All the respect she thought she had was just respect for harvey that harvey was sharing with her, and she lost it

What would be the point of that? This was easily one of Donna's most important arcs

@@Tom_Stevens617cause shes annoying lol

@@acedarebelMusic Gotta disagree there tbh

Not really. Katrina among everyone else had to complain. Not to mention he still made her COO and gave her voting rights. She's a secretary lol

Mike is a genius because of his abilities. Donna was a receptionist who could magically read peoples' minds and her only argument about being COO was that she had worked at the company for a long time. Mike and Donna are not the same.

@@AA-kf3by You can spin it however you want neither of them had the scholarly qualifications for the job it’s work for Mike because his IQ is higher but can’t work for her when she was the one holding things down behind the scenes. Please miss me with that 🤦🏽‍♀️

POV: Mike had years of experience working in the field of law which qualified him to get into the bar. However, she has no managerial experience prior to getting that position. You can become a lawyer via apprenticeship. Mike also passed the bar and you don’t have to go to law school to do that.

It's not equivalent you're finding sexism in places it does not exist. Mike didn't have the correct qualifications but he had to work his way up . Associate , jr partner , sr partner Donna went from secretary to coo a position below an associate. She might have had the capability to be coo in the future but she lacked the experience Harvey needed to give her a stepping stone position to get used to the level of responsibilities. And most importantly she had massive failures as a coo while Mike showed he was a very capable laywer.

Donna negotiated the position. She asked for a partner to get COO. In this position, she does not carry out legal activities. She takes care of the day-to-day operations, space management and staff management so that the lawyers have all the conditions to do their job, which is to win cases and make money. What he needs for this job is to know how the business works, to know the employees, the customers, which the show shows he knows.

The company creates this position based on the needs of the CEO. And Harvey needed Donna in all these ways. Basically, she was like a COO for Harvey's office and also handled his personal affairs, which is why she had access to his accounts. Donna asks him to trust her and "officialize" the work she has done for him for 10 years.

The studies required to be a COO depend on the job description. And this depends on the reason why the current CEO needs a COO. Because not all CEOs need a COO. For example, unlike Harvey, Jessica did not needed. There are many requirements to occupy this position. Among the most important is trust. As COO you have access to resources and information and you will not occupy this position if the CEO does not trust you. The fact that in ep. pilot she selects Harvey's associate tell you something? Or that Harvey gives him a blank check and access to his account and the house keys?

@@Elisa-gn5nj dude trust isn’t the only thing needed to get a job done, clearly you’ve never worked at high stakes corporate jobs or you’d know that!! Also read the standard job description of any COO, you’d understand why the requirements are what they are. But nvm go ahead and try to get the top 1% income with “tRuSt” !! I know Harvey trusts and likes her but besides that she has no real qualification educational or experiential !! That’s literally what I’m saying, she got the job but she doesn’t deserve it.

@@chhavimonga First of all, are you comparing a law firm with a corporation? The COO position can be created in any type of company (from small, medium-sized companies to corporations) regardless of the field of activity and even in non-profit organizations. And a corporate structure can even have two COOs at a given time. Depending on these,the educational requirements and that standard job description are adapted. You cannot compare a law firm with a company in the automotive industry or a retail company. In my comment it is written that there are many requirements to occupy this position and if you had followed the show carefully you would have seen that Donna fulfills them.

Harvey pays her out of his own pocket and said he did so because she was too valuable as his right hand not to keep around. And you can bet she was making serious bank especially as she says she's the highest paid secretary in the entire firm. Still, buying your way into a partnership at a law firm is entirely unrealistic. She doesn't have a law degree. Nor should she be a COO when she has no business degree or any other serious qualifications.

Lame

Louis the magician of finance was fooled by Fortsman Jessica, the queen of manipulation, was tricked by Hardman into signing that confidentiality agreement Harvey the best closer in NY was fooled by Stanley Gordon. Donna in a moment of weakness is tricked by Fox....Wow

@@simone3633 great point. all experts in their trade. they prove they _sometimes_ make mistakes. Donna, with no experience or qualified credentials, _immediately_ makes _humongous_ mistake that would have crippled the firm. so using your logic, that even the best are not perfect, such as heart surgeons for example, does this mean that someone who scores high on their MCAT but never went to medical school should attempt heart surgery because no one is perfect?

@@1981bevo What I'm saying is that all characters make mistakes, but only Donna is put up against the wall, and that all mistakes can have consequences, not just hers.

@@simone3633 i think what you're _really_ saying is that Donna is being unfairly scrutinized here. and i think i provided a decent argument that she is being very FAIRLY scrutinized. she had no business being COO.

@@1981bevo what I'm getting at is that not only did you not understand what the writers did, you also don't know what COO is. Document yourself. You have enough information on Google about the COO

I think Harvey should have considered promoting her, but he was too selfish to do so..

I don't think it was a fraud, but it wasn't fair to be a partner because he wasn't a lawyer. Instead, the COO position was very suitable for her

the fact that he was accepted into Harvard law before became a lawyer so if anything Mike is over-qualified. Where as Donna has no business experience

@@rohannambiar6564 The COO in their case is not about business but about administration, internal operations and human resources. Each company determines if it needs a COO and its own employment criteria and job responsibiliti Even though Mike was very smart about practicing law without a license, it was a frauda. It was never said in the show that Donna was a frauda by holding the position of COO

@@effy8774 I talking less about being a fraud and more about holding the knowledge required for each respective position which Mike has but Donna does not.

@@rohannambiar6564 what do you mean when you say you don't have the necessary knowledge?

The sale of the "DONNA" project brought them a lot of money.

Mike may not have had a degree but he did pass the bar and had proven from time to time that he can be a lawyer and actually had to work his way to the top by working late hours and giving more than his best effort, not to mention Mike got himself legitimized in court and proved that he should continue being a lawyer to jurors and then to the bar association. Whereas Donna literally got everything very easily because she slept with Harvey and Harvey had a crush and a soft spot for her. She made way more than any of the secretaries at the firm cause of Harvey and usually did what she wanted to. There was this one time where the firm was having every file checked by the sec for buried information and Harvey asked for Donnas help ro find the file before the sec and Donna replied “No I won’t cause thats not what I do”. The sheer arrogance to her boss shows how incompetent she is. This isn’t sexism and hypocrisy its just facts.

@@manann7616 I don’t understand why you think Donna had things easily. The whole point of her is that she works harder and is better than any other secretary. Harvey never has to tell her to do anything because she always anticipates what he needs done and has it finished before he can ask. She has had plenty of late nights herself and she gives her best effort as well. It’s kind of weird to say that mike was doing his all but Donna wasn’t. When every character on the show acknowledges what a hard worker and great secretary Donna is. And she was Harvey’s secretary before they slept together which was only once before like the last season or so.

@@Ambereigh I see and acknowledge your point about donna being a hard-working secretary in the firm, but at the end of the day she's paid to do the job, it's not like she's doing it for free. she acts as if she's owed something, tell me which secretary doesn't work hard ?? If all secretaries work hard why aren't They demanding to be a shareholder in the companies they work for?. I 100% agree with what Katrina said to Harvey. Senior partner is the ultimate goal and dream for any man or woman who studied law, and some "hard-working secretary" as you've put it , is now demanding equity (Senior Partnership) in the firm like she was a lawyer. This is a goal in which it takes a lifetime of hard-working and studying the law and gaining experience In this field to achieve, therefore There's no sexism here. Mike proved himself and the New York bar association that he deserves to be a lawyer and he is a kickass lawyer because he passed the bar exam without even have not gone to law school in the first place, Not to mention the mere fact that in the biggest and leading law firms in the world, COO's are not senior partners because only attorneys are eligible to for equity in the firms depending on Performance obviously. lawyers are professional staff in the legal setup as its a law firm and CEO or COO are support staff. @manan nailwal, you are 100% factually correct in your comment.

@@mofokengmoiloa1231 Thanks you too are a 100% right, glad to see people understand why I think Donnas partnership position would have been unworthy.

The difference is Mike actually proved his worth to the firm especially Harvey and Jessica. He’s actually contributed to the firm whereas donna has done nothing but make mistakes