Donna's character arc in the later seasons just re emphasized the importance of Jessica's presence in the firm.
@eluwoledare45122 жыл бұрын
Donna won't even have the guts to talk back at jessica
@effy87742 жыл бұрын
She was the only one who had the courage to face Jessica several times
@eluwoledare45122 жыл бұрын
@@effy8774 really. Jess just treated her some how coz of harvey
@harshagrawal10562 жыл бұрын
@@effy8774 if Jessica was there, donna wouldn't even dare ask for senior partnership
@effy87742 жыл бұрын
@@harshagrawal1056 She asked partner to get COO
@dotrax28972 жыл бұрын
Donna was very smart and extremely knowledgeable about the firm. She also in no way had the qualifications necessary to be a COO.
@yaserhaitham11302 жыл бұрын
Like business degree
@ytube123452 жыл бұрын
RIGHT. That too, is a crazy prestigious post anywhere, let alone in a big-shot Manhattan law firm. Top-notch business education required, formal and traditional career track required.Having slept w/ one of the partners years ago...clearly the exception lol
@adrianmat15632 жыл бұрын
Plus the show never shows her doing COO work, the one time she does is because she is forced by zane
@sahastrajitsingh26462 жыл бұрын
@@adrianmat1563 and she makes a big deal about that too, saying that, "This is not what I do.'
@RTG10312 жыл бұрын
@@sahastrajitsingh2646 could you imagine going into your boss and saying, I don't do that kind of work. You might as well pack up your desk and leave
@nekusakura67482 жыл бұрын
For all the issues with The Later seasons, they really made me appreciate Katrina and made her my favorite character in the show.
@davividal Жыл бұрын
Katrina and Louis were amazing in the last seasons!
@the_real_crying_cat240 Жыл бұрын
@@Blue-ub8ld nah mike and Jenny
@daw91210 Жыл бұрын
@@Blue-ub8ldi agree.
@giovanniruiz470727 күн бұрын
Plus Katrina is the hottest in the show
@RK-bz7hb2 жыл бұрын
Consider this, if Harvey fired Donna her next job would be office secretary. It’s not like she would land a COO job elsewhere.
@PandasRViolent2 жыл бұрын
This is so true, She would spend a couple weeks maybe even months shopping about for something better then when nothing came along, she would come begging Harvey to take her back. That would be reality
@philwill01232 жыл бұрын
No, she may not get a COO role elsewhere, but with her experience and skills, she's not just an "office secretary". She would be senior administrator or similar in many top companies.
@PandasRViolent2 жыл бұрын
@@philwill0123 Senior Administrator, doing more work making way less money. Then again least she wouldn't be an office secretary. She made roughly 150,00-250,000. Doubt she's making that without "plot armor".
@williambaglme819 Жыл бұрын
She was either sleeping with Harvey or had dirt on him?. The series started so well but ended ridiculously at the end?
@ayush60252 жыл бұрын
‘Be a glorified office manager. ‘ That’s exactly what you are. Jeez.
@thatrandomguy89882 жыл бұрын
I know right. The fact Harvey agreed to it makes me question his decision making skills to begin with
@missmack2328 Жыл бұрын
@@thatrandomguy8988he slept with her. Once you sleep with someone your vision gets blurred
@sahastrajitsingh26462 жыл бұрын
Why didn't she speak of deserving more when Jessica was around? Probably didn't want to get ripped to shreds.
@4cryingoutloud9762 жыл бұрын
Cuz jessica didn’t have a crush on her she could manipulate.
@prachetasnayse97093 ай бұрын
Ah no. Jessica was always impressed by Donna.
@aperson1248iejeon3 ай бұрын
@@prachetasnayse9709 Jessica was impressed occasionally but she never would have promoted Donna to a position she did not deserve.
@prachetasnayse97093 ай бұрын
@@aperson1248iejeon that’s kinda my whole point. Donna wouldn’t have asked her cause she knew her place during Jessica’s reign.
@swerv8809Күн бұрын
@@prachetasnayse9709that was not your point. 2 comments w 2 completely different ideas
@s.w.67912 жыл бұрын
A friend of mine recently asked me why I don't like Donna. This is one of many possible examples...
@besicarnigerij90262 жыл бұрын
Man I liked her in first seasons , now I cant stand her
@manzoa22 жыл бұрын
Shouldnt a COO have a business degree? Haha i never got why the writers essentially gave Donna all this power. Like literal powers of reading minds lol
@Squidlark2 жыл бұрын
Right? She's half psychic half telepath. She should leave Specter Litt and join Avengers instead.
@lrmcatspaw12 жыл бұрын
@@Squidlark Ok that was funny.
@charlesekeoma53842 жыл бұрын
@@Squidlark very funny
@TheBharathb2 жыл бұрын
Triple h is the COO of WWE. Haven't googled it but does he have qualifications?
@ML-sv5ez2 жыл бұрын
Lol if there are CEOs who don't have degrees, you can get there are COOs without them as well.
@RTG10312 жыл бұрын
To think that Louis had to blackmail his way to get his dues whilst Donna just had to bat her eyelashes
@astraverse2640 Жыл бұрын
Louis was dying for senior partner while every new guy in the series got their promotion granted . Jeff, and Scottie prime examples of it
@ZAKI-ze9ux Жыл бұрын
@@astraverse2640Jeff and Scottie were already senior partners when they joins pearson specter
@illusive_696 ай бұрын
@@ZAKI-ze9uxthe chances of them making it within the firm was slim
@oshinvats73045 ай бұрын
@@astraverse2640Scotty gave up name partner at Darby international to join Pearson spectre as senior partner with little hope for name partner.
@Jeremy-wp4yh2 ай бұрын
@@ZAKI-ze9ux it was a little unrealistic that every new employee got their name on the door. But somehow Louis couldn't.
@dhairyarawal40872 жыл бұрын
The only reason why Donna is anything more than a secretary is because she was witty in her remarks and Harvey had a crush on her. She is not qualified nor does she have the ability to be anything more than a glorified secretary and it's unbelievably shocking that she thinks she deserves more and shows that she has a MASSIVE ego.
@Jajaky2 жыл бұрын
In corpo America it’s usually who you know, and not what you know
@dhairyarawal40872 жыл бұрын
@@Jajaky In most corporates in the world
@Asif249602 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately this mentality exists with many employees
@yydd4954 Жыл бұрын
Well said
@serajibrahim19552 жыл бұрын
"taKe iT oR leAvE iT" Leave what? He literally doesn't even need her to do anything, she's just begging for something more. So annoying
@mathibanembombela79412 жыл бұрын
@ljg215 he could've paid it back
@ZAKI-ze9ux2 жыл бұрын
@ljg215 that wasn’t the issue he was willing to pay it back so she doesn’t become partner he just allowed it because he cares for her too much
@bernardoteodosio2 жыл бұрын
Actually, he needed Donna, and he needed a lot. Not to be a lawyer, but to be live his life in general. Just see how he was when she left him for Louis.
@erace46583 ай бұрын
@@bernardoteodosiowell that wouldn’t be a problem anymore since he got thru the issues with his mom and he got thru his issues with Donna leaving before she came back
@alexjames47702 жыл бұрын
They were worried about the damage to the firms rep having Donna as a partner would do, but not her as a COO? Come on now Harv
@lordcezar4657 Жыл бұрын
writers made donna so powerful imao.
@harshvardhan58932 жыл бұрын
Being bold. Even in touching situations, Is necessary. Harvey clearly demonstrates.
@mohamoudabdideria24692 жыл бұрын
Well said being Bold and smart is always necessary, like you said
@kovidagunawardana8760 Жыл бұрын
Women are tricky. Being bold and straight forward in touchy situations can also get you shot. I know that with experience
@consti18732 жыл бұрын
Giving Donna such a big promotion was one of the most unrealistic things the writers ever did. And while i understand why they did it (everyone was getting promoted except for the mindreading wonder woman of a secretary) it would never ever be possible to become COO let alone Senior Partner in a big firm like this when your only education and job experience is being a secretary. Might be an unpopular opinion but i think Donna is the most overrated character in the entire show.
@simone36332 жыл бұрын
The most overrated character is Mike, who mentally memorizes or photographs thousands of pages in a matter of hours. Which is impossible. Instead, it is possible to find out everything you need to know about the administrative and operational functioning of a company in 12 years. And if you have the skills to meet people and know how to work with them, the skills that Donna has you can become a COO.
@jasonmoukala89092 жыл бұрын
@@simone3633 um no it’s not impossible if you have a photographic or eidetic memory
@scottmatheson33462 жыл бұрын
@@simone3633 that doesn't make him overrated, it means you refuse to suspend disbelief.
@wwpark Жыл бұрын
@@simone3633 you’ve clearly never been a COO or are a poor one. 12 years in a company doesn’t mean you know how to be COO.
@simone3633 Жыл бұрын
@@wwpark It's clear you didn't understand how the writers built the character of Donna and the relationship between her and Harvey. The fact that Donna was never just a secretary. She and Harvey were partners, a team where Donna complemented Harvey with her skills. If you understood the characters and knew what a COO is and how many types of COOs there are, you would see that Donna fits the role. You didn't even understand my comment. In 12 years, Donna hasn't slept behind a desk. She knows everything about the company and employees and has won the trust and respect of the partners. These, together with all the skills that the writers gave her, make her suitable for COO.
@JamesStPatrick_2 жыл бұрын
The comments gives me joy because I thought I was the only one who doesn’t like Donna
@erhhsdhh20995 ай бұрын
Oh you are definitely not alone. She is so holier than thou. And I don’t know what your opinion is of Mike, but Mike is such a bad character as well.
@alainmg23622 ай бұрын
@@erhhsdhh2099 I kind of get why people hate Mike, but i'm mid-way season 7 and I still don't completely get it. To me Rachel will be my top 1 as most hated character, but I also see that Mike is sometimes reckless, putting people that did everything for him at danger, and his "photographic memory" that it's just plot armour for him to beat anyone, even though it doesn't make sense. Care to elaborate you point?
@glogler2 жыл бұрын
If Donna has $500,000 then why doesn’t she just go get a Law or Business degree so she can earn that job like Katrina did?
@nikofranko80292 жыл бұрын
Time.
@glogler2 жыл бұрын
@@nikofranko8029 but that’s not Katrina and Harvey’s fault. If you don’t have the proper education then you can’t be a partner in a law firm.
@nikofranko80292 жыл бұрын
@@glogler I'd say that Harvey might feel responsible :/ Generally you're right it's not their fault at all, but Donna gave up a lot for Harvey
@RTG10312 жыл бұрын
... because "that not what I do"
@glogler2 жыл бұрын
@@nikofranko8029 but Katrina does have a point. It makes it less meaningful to make partner if Harvey hands it to someone he cares about instead of someone who earned it like Katrina and other Lawyers
@chibuikeanyadike828810 ай бұрын
My love goes to katrina once again on this scene. She's so right and so brave to call out the error in harvey's face politely, 😆 that's why she's my best in the show. Non other would have such courage. After harvey made senior partner, all of a sudden he forgot what it means and what it took, I don't blame katrina one bit, she did what any reasonable person would do, am only a bit surprise why louis of all people agreed to it, probably because he has the trophy already and cared less.
@blurman8306 ай бұрын
Who says take it or leave it when ur boss is demoting u 💀💀💀
@ytube123452 жыл бұрын
Donna is the most annoying character. The most inflated sense of self ever.
@kartikvyakaranam17102 жыл бұрын
"But....but I've put myself second for so many years. It's time you out me first"
@waldenboulevard80472 жыл бұрын
I don't really like her
@Eleanor-Freya2 жыл бұрын
@@kartikvyakaranam1710 that was her job! And it’s called being someone’s assistant, a right hand simply. Not “putting myself second”, which is overdramatized.
@sureshnishtala28872 жыл бұрын
Third.... harvey Respected the honour of being the partner at a law firm ..and its aweosme and also awesome that donna understood....
@DanJonesShow2 жыл бұрын
"being a partner here will mean as much as it always had..." Zane Specter Litt Wheeler Williams... Yea or not...
@brewer72902 жыл бұрын
Exactly, Alex and Samantha did not deserve name partner
@khaledlaghfouri54292 жыл бұрын
And more to come haha
@barsondor2 жыл бұрын
That's what happens when the managing partner can't make a decision. This show was great, but it went down hill big time when the head of the firm couldn't make a direct decision and be firm on the decision. On top of that, since Jessica left, the managing director changed 3/4 times between Zane, Harvey and Louis! All because of this exact reason. I'm no law expert, but one thing is for sure, if the top can't make firm decisions, then the bottom definitely won't know what's going on.
@tejaspadhye2 жыл бұрын
@@barsondor maybe that was the motive? To show only Jessica could properly run and hold the firm together
@cyclonerampage2 жыл бұрын
Should have stayed Pearson Specter Litt and now we’re done
@derekbaker7772 жыл бұрын
I'm 41 years old now and use to get in trouble all the time in my 20's and my family hired the best criminal defense lawyer in Augusta, Maine at $500/hr, but I met a court appointed Lawyer who worked miracles for me and was better than the retained Attorney, which is very rare. It's not always about money opposed to who you know, and if the Attorney is well liked and respected.
@rockwellrye34032 жыл бұрын
who asked
@derekbaker7772 жыл бұрын
@@rockwellrye3403: I or nobody else asked for your opinion, so go back to sleep.
@RAHULTMNT1002 ай бұрын
@@rockwellrye3403 😅😅
@lordcezar4657 Жыл бұрын
In my opinion she was just a super high earning unwanted company therapist
@JamesLee-sw6ss2 жыл бұрын
"Within these walls, I have a say, take it or leave it..." Umm, Harvey is dropping her as a partner.. Why does she actually feel like she has any power in this discussion, and why is the "best closer in the city" arguing like he's a child?
@DSmith-gs4tr2 жыл бұрын
Because his decision to make Donna partner was more an emotional one than a business one. That's what changed the dynamic. It should have been shut down from the start.
@ayush60252 жыл бұрын
Because he had a soft corner. If it had been anyone else, Harvey would have laid them out.
@usmanqureshi89412 жыл бұрын
Because Harvey is ultimately a simp for Donna
@YogeshKumar-fn4fy2 жыл бұрын
@@usmanqureshi8941 😂😂 it hurts to realise this
@adityashrivastava0072 жыл бұрын
I finished the whole series today, man I can't stop thinking what I'll do without this show. It's a wonderful show! The best of the best
@amangoyal37862 жыл бұрын
I feel that bro
@christinebeames23112 жыл бұрын
Hi did you see mad men ? I didn’t like the look of it at first and never gave it a chance till years later , if ypu loved suits ypu will be CRAZY O. LOVE WITH MAD MEN ,JUST GIVE IT AN EPISODE OR TWO ,
@adityashrivastava0072 жыл бұрын
@@christinebeames2311 I haven't seen it yet, will watch it since you recommended 😃
@Erackness12 жыл бұрын
should've demoted her back to secretary
@Simon-xi8tb2 жыл бұрын
What ? She went from making coffee to being a COO ?
@ryosakazaki5592 жыл бұрын
That was bizarre
@lordcezar4657 Жыл бұрын
she didn't even go for coffee like other secretaries. She was just earning 6 figures because Harvey found her attractive
@yaserhaitham11302 жыл бұрын
Ok a question for suits….. do you really think that giving advice is what a COO does ahahahahahaha
@robyndismon3942 жыл бұрын
If you are not a COO, and don't have close proximity to one, how can you know what a COO does or doesn't do
@simone36332 жыл бұрын
If you want to know what a COO does, why not do your own documentation?
@DimitraZitiАй бұрын
Her promotion wasn't unrealistic if you look at our world today.
@abhijitas4802 Жыл бұрын
She was just waiting for jessica to leave so that she could milk this out of harvey. 💀
@DimitraZitiАй бұрын
Jessica appreciated her and that's not the reason if you watch the previous episodes.Having a degree is not necessary to be a ceo or coo.For example in Iron Man Tony Stark made his secretary Pepper Ceo.
@s.w.67912 жыл бұрын
If she did know that, why she's so shocked about Harveys decision IN THE FIRST PLACE
@ytube123452 жыл бұрын
Suits: The show where it's cute & witty to be a Master Manipulator
@oishikhushi2 жыл бұрын
Because it costs her nothing and gives her everything duh
@mohamoudabdideria24692 жыл бұрын
Excellent Danna this time had backups incase the partnership didn't work.
@aliaulman2 жыл бұрын
Suits has been my top 3 re-watch series of all time. But these name-partner stories was too much that it almost makes me lose interest to the series. Irl people didn't make name-partner that fast
@chisikarin20122 жыл бұрын
Just curious what these other twos are.
@jasonmoukala89092 жыл бұрын
Depends
@Tahia2132 жыл бұрын
So unfair to Louis… who fought for it for decades, who joined this firm since he graduated from the difficult competitive Harvard Law school and was the 2nd best lawyer of this firm and also saved the firm so many times … same for Harvey whose reputation was to be the 👏 best 👏closer 👏in town👏👑 bringing new clients and closing multimillion dollar 💵 deals to the firm and sacrifice/fought to become a Partner for decades … Jessica didn’t give them those positions… they became partners in this prestigious law firm because they were the best, they were sharks and the most loyal to this firm , unlike Donna who went from Secratary to law firm Partner because she knew the right guy… yes she should have a rise and promotion but not this title… she is not even a paralegal which caused her to not know basic lawyer’s trick and caused her to put the firm in jeopardy many times… .
@StewNWT7 ай бұрын
Yeah how did Louis not get the COO position?
@jamesk4958 Жыл бұрын
Donna’s buzzing to put that LinkedIn job change post out there!
@bsar112 жыл бұрын
Donna’s promotion is what made me stop watching this. It’s ridiculous. If she told me take it or leave it, I would have told her to get the f out.
@ankurtiwari46862 жыл бұрын
That's Harvey being Jassica and I missed Harvey here..
@darkmatter59402 жыл бұрын
Donna is the reason I that can no longer watch Suits
@yunusmohamed94572 жыл бұрын
If Harvey was like this everyday I would have hate it to work with him. Haha 😄
@jorge10928 Жыл бұрын
Donna is probably the worst character in this series.
@StormArrow-nv5vw25 күн бұрын
Interesting
@effy87742 жыл бұрын
For Harvey, Donna was never just a secretary. She was her friend, confidant, and full of confidence in her because he knew she was sincere, loyal, and devoted. He showed us that he considers her his partner . The COO was given to Donna by the writers of the first episode, and if you understand that, you won't consider her overrated and selfish.
@WayneMercy2 жыл бұрын
She was totally selfish and definitely not loyal tho. She destroyed that memo, before learning it was a fake, solely to avoid any blame being put on her since it had her stamp on it. She then throws Harvey under the bus and fully commits to letting him take the fall by refusing to own up to her own mistake and testifying as to what she did. Later on she ditches Harvey immediately after he just got her out of going to prison and let’s not forget when she broke privilege by telling thomas Kessler confidential information and once again deciding to let Harvey take the fall instead of her (she doesn’t even bother showing up to that hearing even though it was her fault and not Harvey’s). Lastly, she also crumbled on the stand at mikes trial and plead the fifth in an attempt to put her own needs above everyone else’s.
@blepala2 жыл бұрын
Also he shouldn't give promotion based on his relationship
@zizzi12272 жыл бұрын
@@WayneMercy Donna is the one who opened it eyes to Cameron's illegalities and who later saves him from the accusation of hiding the evidence. Thanks to her, he caught Daniel red-handed and made him resign so that Jessica became manager partner and Harvey became a partner and received the much-dreamed office. Donna broke the law and destroyed the memo to protect him and was fired. And even if she no longer worked for him, she convinged Louis gave up the suspension request due to the aggression. Friends and the entire network of acquaintances (prosecution, bar, judges' offices) are used to facilitate Harvey's business and help him achieve his goals. His files are at the top of the pile to be taken with priority. Even if he is not a lawyer, he has a lot of great ideas that help him solve his cases and if it hadn't been for her to temper his impulsive nature, he would have made a lot of mistakes. He leaves the intercom open precisely because he trusts her judgement. However, when Paula asks him to fire her, he racks his brains to find a solution to get rid of her and doesn't even have the decency to tell her in front of. This is what loyalty looks like at that moment Donna the selfish told Harvey to do something to make Mike's dream come true (to become a lawyer) she told Rachel to plead her case with Jessica to pay for her college and Donna went to Jessica and obtained Louis the office on Malone's corner.
@yydd4954 Жыл бұрын
She's definitely overrated Loved her though But being sassy and big mouth doesn't make you qualified
@effy8774 Жыл бұрын
@@blepala This relationship was developed by the writers precisely in the perspective of promotion. The functioning of the CEO - COO team is based precisely on respect, on that connection that allows them to talk honestly about anything at any time (midnight or 6 in the morning) and on absolute trust. The confidence to reveal his deepest secrets, to offer a blank check, the keys of his house or access to bank accounts.
@JamesStPatrick_2 жыл бұрын
Anyone else dislikes Donna? 🙋🏾♂️
@successwilcox52056 ай бұрын
This is where the show took a nose dive and started making donna unbearable
@simone36332 жыл бұрын
you can say anything, but Donna knew how to negotiate her position. And he got Harvey's admiration for it
@yydd4954 Жыл бұрын
Harvey went soft with her Happened to him in front of those for whom he cared So not any Genius from Donna She was close to Harvey
@basicallytroll2705 Жыл бұрын
@@yydd4954 Donna becoming COO is a mistake.
@simone3633 Жыл бұрын
@@yydd4954 The relationship between CEO and COO does not exist without the connection between the two based on trust and respect.
@yydd4954 Жыл бұрын
@@simone3633 oh really? That's a qualification now? Listen, what you saying is secondary or maybe tertiary. Donna doesn't complete the primary criteria lol
@effy8774 Жыл бұрын
@@yydd4954 the standard conditions for this position are: a bachelor's degree, between 5-10 years of experience in the company, a series of skills that have been proven during this period of work in the company. A bachelor's degree in business would be required for certain types of COOs or if the duties in the job description require it.
@jasoncummings7052 Жыл бұрын
Partners in a Law firm requires being a Lawyer. If she can buy her way into partnership then why not others which diminishes the value of the title and the eventual credibility of the firm. Mike who didn't go to Harvard, knew the law better than graduates which allowed Harvey to be able to train him because he had foundation. Donna had neither and so was not suited for the position.
@DirtyDawg-xy5cp2 жыл бұрын
Those COOs probably have MBAS… Donna was an admin lol
@doodooclowney15182 жыл бұрын
"Take it or leave it". What a joke. For the supposed best closer in the city, the writers sure made him seem like a chump here to make Donna look more powerful. Absolutely awful writing.
@lrmcatspaw12 жыл бұрын
By the way, I kno she is not qualified, but didnt Mike ..... (*hides from incoming trash being thrown at him by a booing crowd*).
@Well_be_right_back Жыл бұрын
At least mike passed the bar
@erhhsdhh20995 ай бұрын
@@Well_be_right_backWas still a fraud though. Donna is also unqualified to be COO but at least she wasn’t fraudulently being a sec. Can’t stand Donna but Mike is the worst character in the whole show
@izzyizzy2412 жыл бұрын
Donna is a better negotiator than Harvey. She asked for a senior partner, he offered a staff director, and so he got what he wanted, that is, the COO. I don't know what it's like in real life, but in the script it was legal to take this position and he was doing his job very well.
@jasonmoukala89092 жыл бұрын
No she’s not. Harvey just has a soft spot for her
@izzyizzy2412 жыл бұрын
@@jasonmoukala8909 Yes, the weak point is called trust or maybe loyalty which must work in both directions
@NineDiamont2 жыл бұрын
@@izzyizzy241 no it’s called favoring someone purely based on emotions with no regard to justification and qualification.
@izzyizzy2412 жыл бұрын
@@NineDiamont If you know under what conditions you can hold the position of COO and how many types of COO there are, you will find out that there is also justification and qualification. An entire team of writers have been working on the construction of these characters since ep 1 and nothing has been done at random or without documentation.
@jameslyon23382 жыл бұрын
She is a glorified office manager
@dominikanderson12502 жыл бұрын
Yup my only gripe with this show is how important they tried to make her
@ytube123452 жыл бұрын
exactly!!! so annoying how they really tried to force us to think anything else
@gabrieltravelsph2 жыл бұрын
Donna was the reason why I enjoyed watching Suits.
@godscode11 ай бұрын
If I was in that position of Harvey I would've just fired her...
@nomadicakshay2 жыл бұрын
She always used Harvey for her gain and most of time she incriminated Harvey many a times creating major problems for him....
@neryskkiran1820 Жыл бұрын
In response to all the commenters who can't understand how someone like Donna would get a COO position: High emotional intelligence? The Emotional IQ; the EQ. Think that's what the writers were thinking?
@lordhwsgaming400 Жыл бұрын
And you're also an entitled lowly educated woman.
@mia989-ms5vo Жыл бұрын
@@lordhwsgaming400 Do you even know what a COO is?
@lordcezar4657 Жыл бұрын
High what. She should be a therapist not a COO?
@hectormorales84046 ай бұрын
Ahhh, i found my people. People whos annoyed with Donna. Especially the im Donna line. She got so bad in the later seasons
@NeuroEverything2 жыл бұрын
Can’t believe the number of incredibly sexist remarks on here. The show on MANY occasions clearly states how Donna micromanages the operations of the firm, exceptionally. So much so, that she’s earned the respect of all the key characters. You think someone like Louis would respect Donna if she was indeed a glorified secretary, unfit for the role of COO? Absolutely not.
@effy87742 жыл бұрын
You're right. Not only did Louis respect and appreciate Donna but also Robert, and everyone in the company. Especially Harvey, who knew her best and had full confidence in her. I don't understand so many malicious comments from people who don't even know what conditions you can become a COO and what your job duties are. Because if he knew, he would see that Donna is the best fit for this job. That was the writers' plan for Donna from the beginning.
@jasonmoukala89092 жыл бұрын
What did she ever do for the firm
@listrahtes2 жыл бұрын
@@jasonmoukala8909 well being a secretary -:) everything else was just her witty remarks and entitlement. Harvey had a crush on her and Louis was jeleaous because she was Harveys secretary like he wanted Mike bec. He was Harvey s assistent. Gretchen did the same things Donna did .
@jasonmoukala89092 жыл бұрын
@@listrahtes Gretchen did a way better job than donna
@ellefantine2 ай бұрын
Nice play, Donna ❤
@funichigo2 ай бұрын
Best scene in this show in my opinion was Malik vs donna
@mukul80684 Жыл бұрын
When Zane was managing partner, Donna refused to do any actual COO work. She may have administrative experience being a secretary but not any business experience or a degree for that matter. Her outside connections (unless she dated the men) have been of secretaries only. If you anticipate managing partners need, best you become is their E.A. Or introduce a position of Welness Director who maintains harmony in firm by stopping impulsive decisions of partners not COO. Even, an office boy or clerk devotes long years to a office. Donna didn't know how to do Doc review as well being a secretary. Being a whisperer and guide to a partner doesn't warrant this promotion. That too when you get flustered when put into a stand and intrude too much into the personal life to an extent of sabotaging their relationships.
@mia989-ms5vo Жыл бұрын
The real work of a COO is as stated in the job description. A CEO also appoints a COO according to his needs.
@HummingbirdJa10 ай бұрын
That was Suits big mistake. I love Donna to bits, she was awesome as she was. The Coo whatever that is, changed everything including Donna.
@awesamlol1 Жыл бұрын
she never wanted Partner. She just wanted a title that meant more than just a "glorified office manager".
@hanjiplayer Жыл бұрын
She wanted respect and she always has. She thought she had respect as a legal secretary which is why she had no problem with it for years, but realized that harvey was paying her salary, which meant the firm didnt actually respect her, they only respected harvey. She also realized from the donna computer arc that the people who took harvey seriously wouldnt take her seriously. All the respect she thought she had was just respect for harvey that harvey was sharing with her, and she lost it
@alexpittsley5 ай бұрын
she should’ve stayed secretary
@Tom_Stevens6175 ай бұрын
What would be the point of that? This was easily one of Donna's most important arcs
@acedarebelMusic2 ай бұрын
@@Tom_Stevens617cause shes annoying lol
@Tom_Stevens6172 ай бұрын
@@acedarebelMusic Gotta disagree there tbh
@alisasanders36 ай бұрын
I just started watching the show and I am at the point where Donna asked be a partner.I Don't think that she should be a partneri. Think that it's okay for her to have a promotion. I think that it's okay for her to be over the personnel. But I don't think that she should be partner. I didn't like that. She asked to be partner because you do have to be a lawyer to be a partner so I didn't like that part how they wrote at all.
@MHZ7522 жыл бұрын
De best series!
@primeoptimus27242 жыл бұрын
Donna got arrogant and very irritating
@DrClawizdead11 ай бұрын
When you have to make a backup plan to the plan your boss already agreed to, it's time to leave.
@haroonsheikh19124 ай бұрын
She’s overly emotional, bossy, inserts herself into situations that are absolutely none of her business, thinks she knows way more than she does, is rude and disrespectful to her bosses, and is unethical. And she thinks she is just as smart as other people in the firm but she just knows how to read people...They made her unrealistic and unlikeable.
@Chalk8910 ай бұрын
The 'almighty Donna,' storyline and nonstop appearances was really off-putting.
@hussainumair58373 ай бұрын
Finally Harvey stepped up and wasn't convinced by Donna
@Jeremy-wp4yh2 ай бұрын
Not really. Katrina among everyone else had to complain. Not to mention he still made her COO and gave her voting rights. She's a secretary lol
@samanthabelgrove89752 жыл бұрын
Most of y’all are hypocrites because this show was literally about Mike being a whole fraud but with less time than Donna he learned and grew and everyone loves him but when a woman wants a seat at the table she’s arrogant please sit down somewhere.🤣🤣🤣
@AA-kf3by2 жыл бұрын
Mike is a genius because of his abilities. Donna was a receptionist who could magically read peoples' minds and her only argument about being COO was that she had worked at the company for a long time. Mike and Donna are not the same.
@samanthabelgrove89752 жыл бұрын
@@AA-kf3by You can spin it however you want neither of them had the scholarly qualifications for the job it’s work for Mike because his IQ is higher but can’t work for her when she was the one holding things down behind the scenes. Please miss me with that 🤦🏽♀️
@justafanfave228 Жыл бұрын
POV: Mike had years of experience working in the field of law which qualified him to get into the bar. However, she has no managerial experience prior to getting that position. You can become a lawyer via apprenticeship. Mike also passed the bar and you don’t have to go to law school to do that.
@epic1053 Жыл бұрын
It's not equivalent you're finding sexism in places it does not exist. Mike didn't have the correct qualifications but he had to work his way up . Associate , jr partner , sr partner Donna went from secretary to coo a position below an associate. She might have had the capability to be coo in the future but she lacked the experience Harvey needed to give her a stepping stone position to get used to the level of responsibilities. And most importantly she had massive failures as a coo while Mike showed he was a very capable laywer.
@ashantiw-a8554 Жыл бұрын
Suits tried to be Mad Men. Red hair secretary in Mad Men ends up Senior partner, later starts her own firm. On Mad Men it worked because degrees aren't essential to advertising, especially not in the 50/60's. It's repeatedly shown her admin keeps the company running & the character slowly get more responsibilities until she's essentially running accounts. It works. On Suits degrees are essential to legal work, Donna isn't essential to the company, she is never given any responsibility outside corporate secretary. She destroys evidence, a fireable offence. Then she's given her own office & made COO? Yeah, the associates would quit.
@AlezanDeer Жыл бұрын
Donna negotiated the position. She asked for a partner to get COO. In this position, she does not carry out legal activities. She takes care of the day-to-day operations, space management and staff management so that the lawyers have all the conditions to do their job, which is to win cases and make money. What he needs for this job is to know how the business works, to know the employees, the customers, which the show shows he knows.
@AlezanDeer Жыл бұрын
The company creates this position based on the needs of the CEO. And Harvey needed Donna in all these ways. Basically, she was like a COO for Harvey's office and also handled his personal affairs, which is why she had access to his accounts. Donna asks him to trust her and "officialize" the work she has done for him for 10 years.
@nd6008 Жыл бұрын
You don't need a degree to be a COO. The best of the COOs and CEOs are dropouts. All you need are excellent managerial skills for a COO and one definitely doesn't need to be a lawyer to be a COO in a lawyer's office. The a**h*le corporate world doesn't need degrees it needs tough people. Donna definitely is one. She deserves a COO designation.
@Well_be_right_back Жыл бұрын
And it was from this episode onwards that suits started to quickly decline. Also this episode made me permanently hate donna
@marshallsimpson997322 күн бұрын
Looking back on it if we meet the CEO at any point before this. It would mean something. We all love Donna however some poor soul lost their job in the middle of the night to a legal secretary. Yeah I said it
@chhavimonga Жыл бұрын
This is when the show went down !! People from top schools in the country with years of business experience and BBAs and MBAs are turned down for COO but of course let's hire Donna because she has a massive ego and Harvey likes her
@Elisa-gn5nj Жыл бұрын
The studies required to be a COO depend on the job description. And this depends on the reason why the current CEO needs a COO. Because not all CEOs need a COO. For example, unlike Harvey, Jessica did not needed. There are many requirements to occupy this position. Among the most important is trust. As COO you have access to resources and information and you will not occupy this position if the CEO does not trust you. The fact that in ep. pilot she selects Harvey's associate tell you something? Or that Harvey gives him a blank check and access to his account and the house keys?
@chhavimonga Жыл бұрын
@@Elisa-gn5nj dude trust isn’t the only thing needed to get a job done, clearly you’ve never worked at high stakes corporate jobs or you’d know that!! Also read the standard job description of any COO, you’d understand why the requirements are what they are. But nvm go ahead and try to get the top 1% income with “tRuSt” !! I know Harvey trusts and likes her but besides that she has no real qualification educational or experiential !! That’s literally what I’m saying, she got the job but she doesn’t deserve it.
@Elisa-gn5nj Жыл бұрын
@@chhavimonga First of all, are you comparing a law firm with a corporation? The COO position can be created in any type of company (from small, medium-sized companies to corporations) regardless of the field of activity and even in non-profit organizations. And a corporate structure can even have two COOs at a given time. Depending on these,the educational requirements and that standard job description are adapted. You cannot compare a law firm with a company in the automotive industry or a retail company. In my comment it is written that there are many requirements to occupy this position and if you had followed the show carefully you would have seen that Donna fulfills them.
@MJB9559 Жыл бұрын
Where did she get half a million lying around 😂
@mturker100 Жыл бұрын
Harvey pays her out of his own pocket and said he did so because she was too valuable as his right hand not to keep around. And you can bet she was making serious bank especially as she says she's the highest paid secretary in the entire firm. Still, buying your way into a partnership at a law firm is entirely unrealistic. She doesn't have a law degree. Nor should she be a COO when she has no business degree or any other serious qualifications.
@khairulanwar216110 ай бұрын
The downfall of Donna
@marcieaz11972 жыл бұрын
Donna is definitely my favorite character on Suits.
@Rhea123 Жыл бұрын
Lame
@user-goingtoucla Жыл бұрын
specter litt ross is the ending
@sameerkashyap175016 күн бұрын
Why are people mad at Donna? Like these people are basically scam artists at this point in the show
@asterx_obelix653Ай бұрын
Man the firm really turned into a mom and pop shop after Jessica left. Office secretary to COO in one promotion? Yeah, no.
@shannondeasishughes42837 ай бұрын
Super duper trooper agree!!!
@1981bevo Жыл бұрын
first thing she does as COO is gets her firm nearly evicted out of the building
@simone3633 Жыл бұрын
Louis the magician of finance was fooled by Fortsman Jessica, the queen of manipulation, was tricked by Hardman into signing that confidentiality agreement Harvey the best closer in NY was fooled by Stanley Gordon. Donna in a moment of weakness is tricked by Fox....Wow
@1981bevo Жыл бұрын
@@simone3633 great point. all experts in their trade. they prove they _sometimes_ make mistakes. Donna, with no experience or qualified credentials, _immediately_ makes _humongous_ mistake that would have crippled the firm. so using your logic, that even the best are not perfect, such as heart surgeons for example, does this mean that someone who scores high on their MCAT but never went to medical school should attempt heart surgery because no one is perfect?
@simone3633 Жыл бұрын
@@1981bevo What I'm saying is that all characters make mistakes, but only Donna is put up against the wall, and that all mistakes can have consequences, not just hers.
@1981bevo Жыл бұрын
@@simone3633 i think what you're _really_ saying is that Donna is being unfairly scrutinized here. and i think i provided a decent argument that she is being very FAIRLY scrutinized. she had no business being COO.
@simone3633 Жыл бұрын
@@1981bevo what I'm getting at is that not only did you not understand what the writers did, you also don't know what COO is. Document yourself. You have enough information on Google about the COO
@spencerpencer Жыл бұрын
this whole thing is ridiculous because it is blatantly unethical for a lawyer to be in a partnership with a non-lawyer when the partnership offers legal services. idk what these writers are smoking when they think of this stuff
@headhunter7432 жыл бұрын
i think shes seriously using how much harvey likes her
@alexmacdonald9352 Жыл бұрын
Completely agree
@BB8enjoyer2 жыл бұрын
One of the Listen to mum scenes
@fall9561 Жыл бұрын
I like donna but she thinks so highly of her self in this ep
@Elisa-gn5nj Жыл бұрын
I think Harvey should have considered promoting her, but he was too selfish to do so..
@Aaron71222 Жыл бұрын
Donnas a secretary.
@nathanielwilliams66645 ай бұрын
Am I the only one that hated Donna I wish Harvey ended up with Scotty
@rdh94752 жыл бұрын
I just started watching the show today
@CompelledUsername2 жыл бұрын
So Donna can’t be a partner because she’s not qualified, but Mike Ross can be a lawyer because he has a nice memory?
@effy87742 жыл бұрын
I don't think it was a fraud, but it wasn't fair to be a partner because he wasn't a lawyer. Instead, the COO position was very suitable for her
@rohannambiar65642 жыл бұрын
the fact that he was accepted into Harvard law before became a lawyer so if anything Mike is over-qualified. Where as Donna has no business experience
@effy87742 жыл бұрын
@@rohannambiar6564 The COO in their case is not about business but about administration, internal operations and human resources. Each company determines if it needs a COO and its own employment criteria and job responsibiliti Even though Mike was very smart about practicing law without a license, it was a frauda. It was never said in the show that Donna was a frauda by holding the position of COO
@rohannambiar65642 жыл бұрын
@@effy8774 I talking less about being a fraud and more about holding the knowledge required for each respective position which Mike has but Donna does not.
@effy87742 жыл бұрын
@@rohannambiar6564 what do you mean when you say you don't have the necessary knowledge?
@shreyas57377 ай бұрын
She essentially paid $500k with Harvey’s own money.
@mia989-ms5vo3 ай бұрын
The sale of the "DONNA" project brought them a lot of money.
@XWolfyx713Ай бұрын
Honestly, Donna is no way shape or form “deserve” to be COO. What set me off a little is the writers did show she waited until Jessica was gone. In no world would that even be a blimp of an idea would Jessica have still been there. Plain and simple. Also let’s not forget she did break a law, (she destroyed evidence, she lied about being a federal official, technically broke into and stole information when no one asked her to do that) all because she THOUGHT that’s what they “needed” from her. “Take it or leave it?” Get the f- honestly she had no cards to play! Harvey just folded faster than fat person sitting on a lawn chair. The later seasons her and Rachel’s heads just jump to the sky for no reason.
@jeez_in_my_pants25602 жыл бұрын
The pure sexism and hypocrisy of everyone in the comments saying she doesn't deserve the position because she doesn't have a degree while mike was living his best life working as a lawyer when he didn't have one either is beyond me....Also, it's rare but acual CEOs and business owners without degrees do exist.
@manann76162 жыл бұрын
Mike may not have had a degree but he did pass the bar and had proven from time to time that he can be a lawyer and actually had to work his way to the top by working late hours and giving more than his best effort, not to mention Mike got himself legitimized in court and proved that he should continue being a lawyer to jurors and then to the bar association. Whereas Donna literally got everything very easily because she slept with Harvey and Harvey had a crush and a soft spot for her. She made way more than any of the secretaries at the firm cause of Harvey and usually did what she wanted to. There was this one time where the firm was having every file checked by the sec for buried information and Harvey asked for Donnas help ro find the file before the sec and Donna replied “No I won’t cause thats not what I do”. The sheer arrogance to her boss shows how incompetent she is. This isn’t sexism and hypocrisy its just facts.
@Ambereigh2 жыл бұрын
@@manann7616 I don’t understand why you think Donna had things easily. The whole point of her is that she works harder and is better than any other secretary. Harvey never has to tell her to do anything because she always anticipates what he needs done and has it finished before he can ask. She has had plenty of late nights herself and she gives her best effort as well. It’s kind of weird to say that mike was doing his all but Donna wasn’t. When every character on the show acknowledges what a hard worker and great secretary Donna is. And she was Harvey’s secretary before they slept together which was only once before like the last season or so.
@mofokengmoiloa12312 жыл бұрын
@@Ambereigh I see and acknowledge your point about donna being a hard-working secretary in the firm, but at the end of the day she's paid to do the job, it's not like she's doing it for free. she acts as if she's owed something, tell me which secretary doesn't work hard ?? If all secretaries work hard why aren't They demanding to be a shareholder in the companies they work for?. I 100% agree with what Katrina said to Harvey. Senior partner is the ultimate goal and dream for any man or woman who studied law, and some "hard-working secretary" as you've put it , is now demanding equity (Senior Partnership) in the firm like she was a lawyer. This is a goal in which it takes a lifetime of hard-working and studying the law and gaining experience In this field to achieve, therefore There's no sexism here. Mike proved himself and the New York bar association that he deserves to be a lawyer and he is a kickass lawyer because he passed the bar exam without even have not gone to law school in the first place, Not to mention the mere fact that in the biggest and leading law firms in the world, COO's are not senior partners because only attorneys are eligible to for equity in the firms depending on Performance obviously. lawyers are professional staff in the legal setup as its a law firm and CEO or COO are support staff. @manan nailwal, you are 100% factually correct in your comment.
@manann76162 жыл бұрын
@@mofokengmoiloa1231 Thanks you too are a 100% right, glad to see people understand why I think Donnas partnership position would have been unworthy.
@jasonmoukala89092 жыл бұрын
The difference is Mike actually proved his worth to the firm especially Harvey and Jessica. He’s actually contributed to the firm whereas donna has done nothing but make mistakes
@vivekchavan79232 жыл бұрын
I liked Gretchen more
@marcgoncalis98027 ай бұрын
"Demotes"
@az21bob666 Жыл бұрын
what funny is everyone was alway so inpress wiht mike, what if they meet REId from criminal minds.
@hothotheat300011 ай бұрын
She never should’ve been made partner. It was absurd that she ever was offered this.
@timacorn25365 күн бұрын
donna paid harvey 500k of his own money
@cindiii3725 Жыл бұрын
Maybe they could have made her the office manager or something