Has AMSOIL marketing lied about their ATF fluid being Mercon ULV compliant?

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Has AMSOIL marketing lied about their ATF fluid being Mercon ULV compliant? A comparison to Ford Specifications and actual lab testing proving the AMSOIL is not the correct viscosity for use in today's transmissions.
Watch and find out how the viscosity of the AMSOIL ATF does not meet Ford Specifications for the current transmission in todays vehicles. AMSOIL is touting 8 yr old testing on old transmissions.
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@rockerforlife194 Жыл бұрын

I use Amsoil Signature Series transmission fluid in my 2002 Ford F-150, 4r70w which calls for Mercon V and it is the smoothest, best shifting, quietest, all around best transmission fluid I have ever used. The transmission also stays cooler. Shifting is immaculate. I will NEVER use anything but Amsoil Products in all of our vehicles.

@briansydnes1711 2 жыл бұрын

The report only says Mercon LV ATF, Not Amsoil Signature Series Fuel Efficient. You show the Mercon spec of LV, ULV in the datasheet but then you show the Amsoil's Mercon V fluid viscosity for the multi-vehicle fluid and cut off the screen showing both fluids. Looks like you are trying to pull a fast one on your nieve viewers. The taxi fleet test is not basis for thier testing only a real world trial. Every oil company compares thier products against other synthetic and non syn oils. So tell us garage dweller what the viscosity RANGE of Ford's LV & ULV standard. You only list one number. Pounting out viscosity index number is hilarious, and shows your ignorance. What the heck is Ford ASTM certification. You mean the extortion and fees they charge to put a label on the bottle. All oil companies submit thier products to independant, certified labs for yesting and those results are compared to these oem specs. File a complaint with the FTC if you think they are committing fraud against the consumer. There are dozens of specs that must be met to list it as meeting an oem spec, yet you mention one, because that all the garage dweller can come with. Why dont you just call AMSOIL tech support up, record the call get more info rather than just apread your own lies. You once puit Amsoul ATF in your Ford and praised the superiority of the oil. You probably took those videos down. After all these years still havent learned much. Oil is a religion to some, and same lies and deception is used whether it is politics, religion, or oil.

@mikemiller5839 2 жыл бұрын

Well said. I agree with you. This dude has no idea what he's even talking about. The ford mercon or valvoline max life atf only has 20 percent synthetic base stock which amsoil has 100 percent. And this guys says "well amsoil costs more" well DUH! (Eyeroll) these people on youtube crack me up. Anyone who says valvoline is better than amsoil make me seriously question their credibility.

@mikemiller5839 2 жыл бұрын

Also, did you see he turned the comments off for the video from 5 years ago where he praised amsoil when he used it?

@LJK69187 2 жыл бұрын

I use Amsoil fluid in all of my vehicles requiring low viscosity fluid, it has been a better option than the Mobil one or any oem fluid that I have used by far!!!

@MACTFordEdge 2 жыл бұрын

I know what you mean I feel horrible dumping in that Valvoline Maxlife ATF Mercon LV that my 6F50 has been using forever and just passed 331,000 miles at half the cost of AMSOIL.

@user-km5kj8xh1x Жыл бұрын

I have a 2010 crown victoria, I want the best ATF as possible. I hear mercon LV isn't pure synthetic. But my car has 87k miles with 3k hours. I know it's an old video. But please let me know when you get a chance

@LJK69187 Жыл бұрын

@@user-km5kj8xh1x You can use the OE fuel efficient, or the Signature Series fuel efficient Amsoil, blue label.

@ParissaKhoury Жыл бұрын

@@user-km5kj8xh1x Did you use the Amsoil in your crown Victoria? And if so, hows the results?

@jimadkins4772 3 жыл бұрын

Amsoil Low Viscosity ATF should test around 6.0 at operating Temps. That is why it is so popular for newer trannys. The multi vehicle is 7.5 at operating Temps. Higher Viscosity would be multi vehicle formula. I have used both in different vehicles with great results. Never had a problem with Amsoil atfs.

@jdigitalseven7 Жыл бұрын

I've found that 99% of people preaching about Amsoil being the best are the ones who sell it. If it was so good, it would be readily available everywhere.

@Go2Sleep911 Жыл бұрын

dude Amsoil says their ATL (fuel efficient) is compatible with Mercon ULV not the ATF (multi vehicle) why you cut off that on your list list. ATF ATL Kinematic Viscosity @ 100˚C, cSt (ASTM D445) ....................................................7.5 ............6.3 Kinematic Viscosity @ 40˚C, cSt (ASTM D445) ....................................................38.5 ...........30.8 Viscosity Index (ASTM D2270) ..............................................................................165 ...........159 Pour Point ˚C (˚F) (ASTM D97) ..........................................................................-53 (-63) .......-65 (-85) Flash Point ˚C (˚F) (ASTM D92) .........................................................................234 (453) ......224 (435) Four-Ball Wear Test (ASTM D4172 @ 40 kg, 75˚C, 1200 rpm, 1hr), Scar, mm .......0.39 ...........0.41 Brookfield Viscosity @ -40˚C, cP (ASTM D2983) ..................................................9755 ..........7676

@janekbrat Жыл бұрын

Your right, Amsoil is the best

@ctechbob 2 жыл бұрын

Yep, don't use anything other than a ~4.5cst@100 fluid in a 10R80 or you'll end up with all kinds of wonky shifting. That (and other ) transmissions rely on very specific shift timing and the thicker fluid causes issues. One only has to look at how fast Ford wants those transmissions to come up to temperature with their warmer/cooler assembly to realize that in this case, thicker is not better.

@javelinadad 2 жыл бұрын

So you don't think the 10r80 can shift wonky with the factory fill? :) Of course I'm not suggesting that's because of the fluid, but the 10r80 is fairly notorious for odd shifting behavior. And the GM version even calls for a different viscosity than Ford.

@ctechbob 2 жыл бұрын

@@javelinadad I think most of it is down to programming. In the quest for fuel economy they're programmed to head to 10th as fast as possible. Most people find that driving around in tow/haul and some aftermarket tunes take care of a lot of the dim-wittedness of the standard programming. I don't think it is something that can be fixed with fluid, but, it can be made worse with a thicker fluid since you can slow down the shifting. There's so much going on inside the trans that throwing off the shift timing can really cause some issues. That's why Ford incorporates a warmer/cooler in the trans fluid circuit. Its job is to get the fluid up to temp as quick as possible, not just for fuel economy, but because of shift timing. That's why they shift clunky when cold. From watching the data on my truck, they actually appear to prioritize the trans warming up over the engine coming up to temp. In the winter time it takes forever for the engine to come up to temp just driving around, and the trans comes up to temp with it. As opposed to getting the engine up to temp as quick as possible. FWIW Dexron ULV is a 4.6 cSt fluid and Mercon ULV is a 4.5 cSt fluid, so near as makes no difference.

@devontucker1572 Ай бұрын

Amsoil is not obligated to notify you of any testing they have done. Thinking they are still relying on eight year old tests is just naive. And your results are sporadic on a different product. Flow rates and viscosity are only part of the equation, film strength also plays a major role.

@c.l.8119 2 жыл бұрын

Here is the line he intentionally cut off in the video specs. Amsoil ATL (Automatic Transmission Low Viscosity). Kinematic at 100c 6.3. Kinematic at 40c 30.8. Viscosity index 159.

@Fred-F4 Жыл бұрын

even that does not meet those mercon viscosity numbers, he is right

@grayguy19 Жыл бұрын

I was looking at the specs for the dex ulv and it seems to be inside the amsoil spec. They are both suppose to use the same specification for the ULV. I would like to see what the actual engineered requirements range is for the fluid over what the fluid is tested at

@CreatingExcellence 5 ай бұрын

Thank you for this video. Motocraft Mercon LV sucks. I use the Castrol Transmax Dex / Mercon LV and the transmission in my Escape loves it.

@atx-cvpi_99 2 жыл бұрын

Those transmissions they tested were more likely a Ford 4R75E transmission that’s in the Ford Crown Victorias.

@t.j.cuddington7795 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent. Very helpful to know and appreciated.

@javelinadad 2 жыл бұрын

So it's highly recommended to use ONLY the oem recommended fluid, but IGNORE the same manufacturers recommended change interval? Trust they know best but don't trust they know best. I love Ford trucks, but their recommendations are far more about CAFE numbers and lasting until the warranty is over. Remember they also recommended 5-20W oil for the 2011 3.5 Ecoboost and then suddenly changed their minds to 5-30W. Whatever the reason, it pretty much reveals what is their interest VS mine.

@Jon-O. 2 жыл бұрын

I find it funny the fluid in a Automatic trans is not about viscosity for lubrication but for hydraulics and hydraulic pressure. You could probably get away with brake fluid in a transmission.

@MarkBuildGood 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Bill, My local Ford dealership is using BG Oil Products (including transmission fluid). I do not see any claim that BG makes a transmission fluid compatible with ULV fluid standards. This is very concerning for me as a customer because I expect my dealership to use products compatible with my vehicle and now I’m not so sure they are.

@MACTFordEdge 2 жыл бұрын

I never use additives in the 6F50 or 8F35 transmission. Good fluid changes at 30K miles will ensure a good running and operating transmission for well over 300,000 miles

@halftontimrvreviewsandtips3106 3 ай бұрын

FYI dealerships use the cheapest oil they can if it’s 530 they’ll buy 530 as long as it’s cheap

@just_brett199 2 жыл бұрын

I used all there ATF in a 4L60e I beat tf out that transmission no problems no issues did lab test came up perfect amsoil in the best end of story

@MACTFordEdge 2 жыл бұрын

I have a 6F50 transmission 350,000 miles with Valvoline Maxlife ATF still running strong. Most likely a 500,000 transmission at this rate.

@ParissaKhoury Жыл бұрын

How about running the Amsoil ATF in 2006 Lincoln town car?

@jessandkaka 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Bill for the info!

@craigryder3712 2 жыл бұрын

MacT i have a 2018 ford f-150 2.7l with the 10R80 just turned 31,000 do a lot of towing which fluid would you recommend Motorcraft ULV or the Valvoline ULV thx

@j.arreola8115 2 жыл бұрын

Is royal purple transmission ATF compatible with the morcon v for my 08 crown Victoria?

@CARRJ142 3 жыл бұрын

Another great video.

@CharlieRasch 9 ай бұрын

The questions is what requirements for ULV and if Amsoil specifications meet those requirement. It would be nice if Amsoil come out with a data sheet with the ULV requirements and their oil meet or exceed those ULV specifications and not just say they meet ULV.

@josephklimchock5412 2 жыл бұрын

Not sure the big deal about Amsoil not having or showing any testing, I bet the engineers look at the specs and needs of new type transmissions and see if their current oils meet or exceed that requirement. One of the big things in ALL oils is the temp limits, to what the oil can lubricate at temp wise, before it will fail to do the job. You can also go check the MSDS of any oil from any MFg and see this and other things, you actually can see what oils are full syn and which are not. The oils that are full synthetic will NOT have any listings under hazard class on the MSDS, since the oil is 100% NON fossil fuel and the additives are non fossil fuel or other chemicals known to cause harm to humans, thats the best way to tell what the oil can do.....

@turbojaboka Жыл бұрын

I can relate to what he is talking . I have Mazda 3 2.3 from 2007 and Mitsubishi L200 2.5 did pickup from 2006 and put to both of them Amsoil signature atf and i am not impresed . My mazda use Mazda M-V m5 fluid and mitsubishi aisin gearbox is using sp3 . After i switch to Amsoil my mazda shifting solenoids start to stuck and mitsubishi start to shift very hard ao definetly i will switch to oem fluids .

@riology2234 3 жыл бұрын

Same statement applied to Chrysler's A8 ZF I assume?

@sciatl2505 3 жыл бұрын

Great information but don’t they have AFT fuel efficient the is a lower viscosity more like Dexron VI / Mecron LV but yes I would not use this a transmission that calls for Dexron ULV or Mecron ULV

@MACTFordEdge 3 жыл бұрын

The product tested is the fuel efficient version

@JF-jm3nb 3 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately amsoil have no licences available for many automakers and no api certifications either. Hummmm

@kellismith4329 Жыл бұрын

The symbols on their products all look much like money signs

@remusic8 2 жыл бұрын

Was your test using the AMSOIL Signature Series 'Fuel Efficient' formula? Thank you for taking the time to post this. I have been researching this like crazy lately! Appreciate your time and efforts.

@js6729 Жыл бұрын

My question exactly, because if that's not what he tested his test is invalid

@halftontimrvreviewsandtips3106 3 ай бұрын

What do you drive type of driving habits and miles on your vehicle?

@MACTFordEdge 3 жыл бұрын

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@dontderockmeriz4546 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Bill, I use the Valvoline max life in my Nissan Frontier & it’s way cheaper than the Nissan (Idemitsu) brand.

@sangabriel002 3 жыл бұрын

You are comparing the dexron 3h version to the ulv standard. The amsoil fuel efficient formula is lower viscosity.

@MACTFordEdge 3 жыл бұрын

That is the Fuel Efficient version.

@sangabriel002 3 жыл бұрын

@@MACTFordEdge the viscosity of the fuel efficient trans fluid is stated to be 6.3 cut. The regular atf is 7.5 cSt. Is what you are showing the virgin oil sample of fuel efficient atf?. I'm sorry just I'm a little slow at learning

@MACTFordEdge 3 жыл бұрын

@@sangabriel002 The container I have states specifically fuel efficient.

@Snail_Slime 2 жыл бұрын

Amsoil doesn’t have the fca atf+4 licensing. It doesn’t meet fca specs

@highrzr 3 жыл бұрын

Never use multi-vehicle transmission fluids. Use the OEM fluid or a name brand that specifically meets the OEM specification. For me, I prefer to use the OEM transmission fluid and change it every 30k miles. Also, those "Taxi" tests are pure marketing BS. The taxi's they choose run 24/7 so the all the fluids are up to operating temperatures so they get less wear.

@sheepdog3828 23 күн бұрын

with so many anomalies with the report shown on this video how do you even have subscribers? Whatever credibility was there is tarnished. Certainly will never come back for sure. Life is too short to deal with this type of material.