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@shiny4ujesus4477 ай бұрын
He certainly has NOT. 1) 5 wins vs division foes. 2 vs bears/vikings 1 vs titans. That's 8 of 9 wins vs literally the worst teams in the NFL. Fact is he did enough to win the nfls weakest division against terrible teams. That's it. 2) When playing teams with winning records that leaves a nice 1-8 mark. With the solitary quality win vs a Philly team the entire world unanimously agrees didn't bother to try in any phase. He's yet to win vs a quality foe. 3) He's frequently off target. So many times he has his receiver wide open...and misses...and by a significant bit lol. And when he playing from behind he withers. I think he's done enough to merit a better payrate...but still on short term. Unless he cab string wins together vs contenders it's a wasted venture
@rickjustus64167 ай бұрын
@@shiny4ujesus447it's the first season he's been there, with a new coordinator, new coach, recievers. Jeesh man, you'd think his last name was trump. 😂😂😂
@rickjustus64167 ай бұрын
No wonder these people are on the c show.
@gsyl6557 ай бұрын
For some context, Baker gets drafted 1st overall to the Browns, a bad team (a story that never ends well for any QB). He actually does a pretty good job but suffers some injury setbacks. He then gets shuffled to the Panthers, an even worse team. He then gets shuffled to the Rams, his first good team, and he learns the playbook in a couple days and plays great. Since the Rams have Stafford, he gets shuffled to the Bucs, a bad team (went 8-9 last year with Brady, the GOAT)....and yet he's now 10-8 heading into the divisional round of the playoffs. Think about all that change taking place during your 20's with different teams, coaches, coordinators, playbooks, fans, cities, relationships, etc. Whatever he lacks, it's not mental toughness.
@blackdynamiteSJC7 ай бұрын
The Bucks are not a bad Team they were 2 years removed from the Super Bowl and a playoff team what are you smoking on.
@kevinpacher48317 ай бұрын
@@blackdynamiteSJCVegas projected the bucs to win 3-4 games, do u really think the bucs were a good team ? They went 8-9 with the goat and had 80 mill in dead money. Ur crazy if u think they had a good team.
@blackdynamiteSJC7 ай бұрын
@kevinpacher4831 Vegas is wrong a lot the had the Texans at less. The Fuax GOAT was old and tired.
@kalishagreene89387 ай бұрын
Exactly
@joshtaylor98847 ай бұрын
@@blackdynamiteSJC so before the season when every analyst was predicting the BUCS to win two games, you were saying "naw they're a good team"?
@toddhurley56297 ай бұрын
Horrible takes. Bakers had 8 head coaches in 6 years. 5 of those years were with the Browns and Panthers the two most unstable organizations in football.
@jaybrickman10947 ай бұрын
It’s ok..these same morons said Hurts was the 2nd best quarterback in the NFL
@jctslice7 ай бұрын
He has, but he's not the only guy ever who's went through that. Alex Smith went through that (if not worse) in his career too. Not only with coaches, but with coordinators too and 17 different starting WRs before Harbaugh
@TawandaTD977 ай бұрын
@@jctsliceill Tell you as a long time KC Fan.. Baker is Better than Alex
@icon94277 ай бұрын
@@jctsliceAlex Smith did not go thru that and worse. Not only that but his only great season was under one of the best coaches ever
@jctslice7 ай бұрын
@@TawandaTD97 how so ? Based on what ?
@MAA-ri3pg7 ай бұрын
This was a throwaway year with 80 mil dead cap, and they got to the playoffs, aaannndd got a win. C'mon man
@MAA-ri3pg7 ай бұрын
@user-tn8uu2cu8g allah is satan
@DM-hl3bx7 ай бұрын
You're mad at a team that went 9 and 8 that was projected to win 4 games before the season started.
@user-lt1fx2he5s7 ай бұрын
Nah they’re mad because the Bucs beat the Eagles at home in the playoffs 😂😂😂
@princecheck117 ай бұрын
who is mad ?
@gladiator13487 ай бұрын
@@princecheck11did you listen to how mad joy be when she talking about baker?
@princecheck117 ай бұрын
@@gladiator1348 she wasnt mad you clearly dont know what mad is she was providing context thats it
@derekeevans12157 ай бұрын
@@princecheck11she definitely salty
@martinwalker25017 ай бұрын
Baker has earned a Geno Smith-like deal. They were supposed to be a 4-5 win team. Now they don’t have to do a full blown rebuild.
@MrEmmanuelmack7 ай бұрын
Naw they had talent on both sides
@TawandaTD977 ай бұрын
@@MrEmmanuelmacksame talent that was trash before TB12?? Get real you dumb mf 😂
@yohancemosley44707 ай бұрын
@@MrEmmanuelmackthey have the worse run game in the league a new oc. The defense is slightly above average this isn’t a winning formula without good qb play
@Joker.9.9.97 ай бұрын
@@yohancemosley4470so you are saying those 219 YAC and 3 TDs against the Eagles are QB play?? 👀
@Jmisaprodriver7 ай бұрын
@@Joker.9.9.9You don’t know football
@DMitch-ny3jb7 ай бұрын
I love how they always mention Shady with the Bucs Super Bowl run like he did anything! 😂 he had 10 Carries for 31 yards all season and 0 Carries in the playoffs
@evileyevalaus7 ай бұрын
I definitely agree with your stance but I think they do it because he was ballin in his prime so it gives him a lil bit of a run way to say he's a champion
@Keepitpush997 ай бұрын
It's sad that he would even acknowledge a ring he didn't earn 😂
@drexlightsworn26547 ай бұрын
I think it’s more funny that Shady went ring chasing with the best teams as soon as the Eagles got bad but he still acts like he’s ride or die for the Eagles
@TOoLoUd892927 ай бұрын
Careful he's a hofer
@DMitch-ny3jb7 ай бұрын
@@drexlightsworn2654 well to be fair he spent a few more seasons with the Bills and had some good seasons there but it’s just annoying how thy mention it every single time! And it’s like let’s not act like dude was a playoff performer he had 1 total playoff rushing TD
@Dabbers412347 ай бұрын
Acting like Tampa isnt playing with 80 mil in dead cap and a roster that's a ghost of itself even from 2 years ago is wild...
@jackharrist10787 ай бұрын
Shady might skip work on Monday if Baker finds a way to beat the Lions and ends up in the NFC Championship game😂😂
@Keepitpush997 ай бұрын
Shady is just hater. He's still salty about the "Dream" team in Philly that flip flopped 😂😂
@Zack_P_Panos7 ай бұрын
@@Keepitpush99and he’s mad Big bad Bienmy is going to be a HC
@georgeevans11497 ай бұрын
@@Keepitpush99he ain't hatin, they all made some good points....jus because you don't agree wit his comment dont make him a hater
@truth22197 ай бұрын
@@georgeevans1149fr everyone these days labeled a hater when you differ in opinion
@user-lt1fx2he5s7 ай бұрын
@@georgeevans1149Like how he was talking mad sh** all season long
@martinwalker25017 ай бұрын
Shady isn’t looking at this in context…they Bucs wernt supposed to be good. Baker elevated a team. Acho is right, they’re moving goalpost. All that matters is they made it to the playoffs and they beat a team that they wernt supposed to. Shady being a hater right now.
@jeanfourcade7 ай бұрын
You're asking too much of Shady. He doesn't think further than the next 5 yards... and never had to. And as it worked out so well for him, he'll never change.
@Kodie1287 ай бұрын
Facts no matter how well Baker plays he will get discredited. He’s a guy people love to play with. If Baker played this year went 4-13 19 TD 15 INT everyone would would be like oh we expected him to play like this, etc. If he could stay in a constant system he could absolutely shine but nobody wants to see that. Hoping he can make it to the conference championship so all of the doubters can keep doubting him
@jeanfourcade7 ай бұрын
@@Kodie128 I still hope Tampa are going to offer a decent contract (3 years, 90 mil guaranteed).
@robkerr99307 ай бұрын
@@jeanfourcade I think that's the perfect contract for him
@kfair66697 ай бұрын
Shady is a baker hater.
@Justin-vt7tt7 ай бұрын
Joy: I swallow everything I just said. No pause! Pervs: WOOOOOORD lol! I love her man lmao!
@meethvncho7 ай бұрын
My face: 😮😮
@jays86647 ай бұрын
It crazy that Deshaun Watson get a pass for doing literally nothing.
@MarvG30007 ай бұрын
Watson is 8-4 as the Browns starter playing through injuries. Justin Herbert is the qb who gets a pass for doing nothing
@PushthisP7 ай бұрын
I’m no baker faithful but dude is balling idk what they talking about his numbers were not bad this year.. he’s went through more coaches than most and still has 2 playoff wins under his belt he’s got a real chance to beat the lions imagine baker in a championship game lol
@elevatedevaluations7 ай бұрын
The "no pause" moment earned my respect.
@kenoldjoseph31497 ай бұрын
you caught that too Lol
@International-BlackMan7 ай бұрын
😂😂😂She's definitely one of the guys. She's like that one girl that can hang with the guys.
@tavaresloving3247 ай бұрын
Y’all know what that means
@roberthudson52837 ай бұрын
Homie, I was cooking and said "Wait, what she say??"
@Fredolay7 ай бұрын
Yeah and of course shady was giggling too 👀👀😂😂
@lanceinmypants1437 ай бұрын
When Tom wins in Tampa it’s cuz he’s that dude, but Baker wins with a lesser version of Tampa it’s cuz that team has ballers. Cmon man
@christheconqueor7 ай бұрын
Bro this tampa team is actually a better team than last year, wtf are you talking about. More healthy and better play calling. Brady wouldve run away from this division easily.
@bwill8877 ай бұрын
To be fair, Brady won a Super Bowl. I still think this conversation is disrespectful to Baker. Baker has more playoff victories than most of the younger QBs getting paid more than him, has been the only QB in decades with any success with the Browns, and is a big reason why the current Bucs are in the playoffs and won a game. Baker deserves the credit for the success he has had. The only real knock against him is his time with Carolina and his last season with the Browns where the team went out of their way to harm Baker (playing him injured, front office comments on him, Odell's dad stirring up issues) to get Watson. The Rams team he played for last year was massively injured and didn't have most of their best weapons, there is a reason the Panthers were bad last year and the year before, and Tampa was a losing team the year before in an arguably weaker division. Baker is a good QB and if you can secure him to a deal making $30-$40M a year, he may be worth it and allow for the Bucs to build around him amd fill their other holes. The other question is who would the Bucs get if they don't keep Baker. They draft too late for the top talent QBs, any trades would possibly cost more, and draft trades would prevent the Bucs from filling other holes. A couple year deal would be good for both the Bucs and Baker, giving Baker some consistency with a team that wants him and has some faith in him and giving the Bucs a chance to build a better team.
@letsreviewproducts93887 ай бұрын
Did yall forget that Baker Mayfield is 2-1 in the playoffs?
@bigdogwolf29687 ай бұрын
Same wins as Dak Prescott let that sink in.
@scarecrow66ab7 ай бұрын
Just think if Baker and Love win this weekend just think what Jerry Jones will be thinking. Love and Baker in the NFC championship where Dak has never gotten to.
@heyohworld40677 ай бұрын
I don't understand why Love's being mentioned here. Dude is legitimately playing as good as any QB in the NFL in his first year as a starter.
@JD-sy1ql7 ай бұрын
@@heyohworld4067maybe because he doesn’t have a lamb as wr1 or had a mvp like season and has the chance to make it further than dak in his first year as a starter lol
@mickpratt83277 ай бұрын
Dak isn't the best Black quarterback in the State of Texas.
@theboxingboy74227 ай бұрын
Man a green bay vs Bucs championship game would be crazy after how the season has been. But I'm hoping for a lions vs Packers NFC title game just because of that rivalry in a championship game would be off the charts
@JD-sy1ql7 ай бұрын
@@theboxingboy7422 not gone happen I’ll bet 1k my niners win we ain’t Dallas yall forget how many nfc championships we been too in the last years regardless of win /lose they make it
@user-lt1fx2he5s7 ай бұрын
“The Bucs barely got in” then put a whooping on the Eagles Shady needs to stop
@MysticalLlama7 ай бұрын
The eagles didn’t have aj brown and had a hurt Jalen hurts 😂
@jamesroby26677 ай бұрын
@@MysticalLlama nawl don’t make no excuses for the eagles.. the fans was so confident this was a easy game
@gladiator13487 ай бұрын
Are you forgetting bakers' hurt as well? @@MysticalLlama
@hasani27237 ай бұрын
The same eagles that lost to cardinals in giants 1-6 could have finished the season 0-7.
@deantalamantes61907 ай бұрын
the same eagles who were running their mouths all season about the 49ers in the nfc title game then got destroyed and never recovered yes those eagles
@user-lt1fx2he5s7 ай бұрын
I need Joy and Shady to understand how the Bills got into the playoffs because they weren’t even supposed to make it in had the Dolphins taken care of business and the Jaguars didn’t lose the last game of the season
@wreckim7 ай бұрын
The Bills though....man you talk about a turnaround...just as much as Philadelphia crumbled in the last couple of months, The Bills turned on the afterburners. I don't even like the team, but you have to respect that kind of effort.
@MultiJm827 ай бұрын
No, they still make the playoffs even if Jaguars and Dolphins take care of business lol. With a 11-6 record, they'd be 6th or 7th seed. This just would have meant Steelers and potentially Texans miss the playoffs. Also, not like that was particularly lucky or hard to see happening, especially with the Dolphins. 1-6 against teams with a winning record.
@kiteracer24977 ай бұрын
@MultiJm82 he might have meant if the dolphins beat them and the bills had 10 wins
@JD-jz5gu7 ай бұрын
@@MultiJm82 no, they literally would have missed the playoffs in the Jags and Dolphins won (meaning a Bills loss) in week 18. It was literally one of the scenarios
@MultiJm827 ай бұрын
@@JD-jz5gu I mean sure, but as long as the Bills controlled their own destiny and won out, they were in. As long as they won out, they were in. This isn't really an own, especially with how Bills own Dolphins in the Josh Allen era.
@FloridaYoungingzTakeova7 ай бұрын
Thank you Acho only one who really spoke the truth man💯💯
@eddielara79427 ай бұрын
They keep bringing up that a 9-8 Bucs team are average and got lucky blah blah. The New York Giants were 9-7 during the regular season the year they beat Tom Brady in the Super Bowl.
@kevonsidek97377 ай бұрын
And beat three top teams to get there
@TB-wn9xk7 ай бұрын
If Baker wins a Super Bowl this year then he is worth whatever Tampa pays him. Until then he's not worth $100 Million in my view.
@hasani27237 ай бұрын
The only 9-7 team in history to win a sb? If bucs win the superbowl they would be the only team ever to lose 8 games and win. Looking at history yes u should doubt the bucs if u think every team can win the Super Bowl ur just being a lazy analyst. If bucs win the superbowl props to them they deserve it but they going to have a long way to go. Good news is they do play the lions so they have a decent chance of winning.
@lanceneol8657 ай бұрын
Tom Brady went 9-8 with thd buccs the year they won so...
@hasani27237 ай бұрын
@@lanceneol865 they were 11-5 lol.
@spawn24147 ай бұрын
Baker might be the most underrated QB the only reason the browns let him go was because of Odell Beckham and his dad. Baker is going to prove what kind of QB he really is.
@lorenzovonmatterhorn47567 ай бұрын
Exactly. And I hated that bum even though he came to LA
@International-BlackMan7 ай бұрын
Lmao! Dude was missing open Receivers in a Browns loaded offense. Look at Njoku's numbers with Flacco, compared with Baker. Dude had Landry, Beckham, Njoku and Chubb. Bucs won a terrible division and now Baker is underrated. Lol! He's the white version of Geno Smith.
@gladiator13487 ай бұрын
Yea and when baker was there njoku was the backup TE because austin hooper was a better run blocker. @Misternobody1999
@canadianboy84727 ай бұрын
Always be a Baker fan, Browns did him dirty, that being said...his last season he played hurt what the entire season? OBJ was possibly the worst thing to come to Cleveland, whatever happened between them he was not catching balls that were directly to his hands or catchable by his standards. Not saying Bakers throws are all good cause he missed alot but those in the last season were 100% catchable. Saw way more from Baker with multiple coaches then I have seen from Watson with one. @@International-BlackMan
@adamnagel74367 ай бұрын
@@International-BlackMan look at their numbers with Watson lol. It wasn't just Baker. And Flacco is a better thrower of the football than either of them honestly.
@bigcliff_98987 ай бұрын
I’m not even a baker fan but shady is hating man. lol
@17thN.O7 ай бұрын
Shady is hatin. Pay Baker for 2 years.
@antdapro7 ай бұрын
The "no pause" was immaculate 😂
@jalenfrett8487 ай бұрын
We gotta stop moving the goal post for players we don’t like. Joy said baker needs to go to the conference championship to be a franchise QB. Thats never been a qualification. Kyler Murray, Justin Herbert, Dak Prescott, Daniel Jones, deshaun Watson all got paid without going to a conference championship.
@itsmyopinion94797 ай бұрын
Facts
@zabriangreen54267 ай бұрын
Another bad shady take jeez… baker was forced out of Cleveland cuz they thought he couldn’t win. All he’s done since is win. Browns played him with a torn labrum bashed him cuz Odell wanted to be a cry baby. If u wanna talk about baker talk about all he over came too he’s led two different franchise to the playoffs he even got the browns their first playoff win since 2000 ad
@jeanfourcade7 ай бұрын
Shady is not aware of what you're describing, he's too lazy to do his homework.
@jsos63097 ай бұрын
Baker got more playoffs wins than LJ,Herbert and Lawrence not saying he better than Lamar ijs
@BriefKeef7 ай бұрын
Joy "if the bucs win this weekend ill swallow everything i just said no pause" Shady "Whoahh😳" LMFAO
@kaiupono207 ай бұрын
It’s pretty irritating how all these experts say “he doesn’t have to do much because they have good players around them” 😳 you absolutely have to do a lot of it’s the NFL. Too many examples of having good players and QB still not able to do something. Give QB’s their credit.
@191Pogo7 ай бұрын
Some people clearly misremember Baker's exit in Cleveland. A washed OBJ blamed his struggles on Baker (but the team was better when OBJ didn't play). Then Baker was forced to play hurt. He never had consistency in the front office. He brought the team from 0-16 to 11-5 and beating a division rival in the playoffs. Let's not act like it was Baker's fault. Cleveland got enticed at the prospect of Deshaun Watson and tossed him aside like trash
@oseokoyo7 ай бұрын
You’re dumb if you think Obj was the problem with that team. Baker clearly played hisself out of Cleveland
@191Pogo7 ай бұрын
@@oseokoyo someone didn't watch the season. The Browns made Baker play hurt. He had to have shoulder surgery right after the season. That organization is a cesspool. They tossed him out like trash. All so they could get massage parlor papi for their QB
@wyzcrackzcomedy52157 ай бұрын
Is that you, Skip Bayless?
@williejohnson51727 ай бұрын
Ask the Rams if OBJ was washed. Baker was and is an average qb who has benefited from an extraordinary amount of hype. He is in the category of Carr, Minshew, and Jimmy G. Decent qbs who can get you some wins but not the long term answer.
@MichaelBraden-ug2ih7 ай бұрын
@williejohnson5172 I'm a Ravens fan and yes, OBJ is washed and has been since NY
@mauisuzuki78577 ай бұрын
Baker has got more playoff wins than a lot of other quarterbacks in the league and some don’t have a playoff win at all~just sayin😊
@TheDjcarter19667 ай бұрын
Like Herbert
@deantalamantes61907 ай бұрын
like dak 😂
@James-jr8yo7 ай бұрын
James Jones says consistency. What was Rogers record his last year at Green Bay? Remind me again?
@AilmanF2P7 ай бұрын
Thanks for ignoring the three years of 133-3 wins, take his last season as the bench mark.
@jaymd70317 ай бұрын
He just took a team that was supposed to win 4 games to the playoffs and a playoff win following in the footsteps of the GOAT. Acho is correct they moving the goal posts however a nice short team deal should be longer if he wins this weekend!
@user-lt1fx2he5s7 ай бұрын
“They beat a bad Eagles team” the Eagles team that was in the Super Bowl last year?
@TheColtonStreeter7 ай бұрын
Eagles team finished the season1-6 even against teams with bad records and even got blown out, this is from a Baker fan
@hasani27237 ай бұрын
if the season was to start over eagles might not have gotten to 6 wins they were broken. Anythjng more then a geno deal from bucs will be stupid in my opinion. Then if he proves he can do it again with a harder schedule next year you could talking about extending him again.
@deantalamantes61907 ай бұрын
lbh the 49ers beat the eagles for everybody 😂😂
@leewilliams1067 ай бұрын
3 years, 90 million, 3rd year team option
@stephannielsen41777 ай бұрын
I would say 4 years 140 with a 5th year option.
@bigfacts267 ай бұрын
Who knew playing for the Browns people would treat you like you are the Browns no matter who you play for......
@giffondhall92147 ай бұрын
As a baker fan I rooting for him to win on sunday
@urusledge7 ай бұрын
Tomlin barely posting over 500 records for 7 years straight: is this guy a hall of famer? Baker posting a top 7ish statistical year his first year at a franchise that is trying to eat 80mil in dead money in one go: but what have you actually done?
@tigera67 ай бұрын
Tomlin had zero franchise QB since Big Ben, what he did with the Steelers has been a plus. Baker looks like a franchise QB but these days teams are looking to sign ELITE QB, not just franchise QB. Bakers deserve the same deal as Geno Smith, but I doubt if he think hes only worth that much.
@blessedisall63957 ай бұрын
Joy a freak she let everybody know no pause
@bermudabengal7 ай бұрын
no pause at all!!!!! 👀
@chrislong85597 ай бұрын
Baker got farther than dak did with more talent. Eat that haters.
@YouReallyDontKnow7 ай бұрын
He’s earned another year for sure, but he hasn’t proven anything really aside from that he can play well when he has a GREAT receiving core to throw to and relies on the good defense as well. If he can play like this next year then he’s earned a 2-4 year contract
@CLD1707 ай бұрын
Happy Birthday, Joy! 🎂 "So you say it's your birthday, well it's my birthday too." No really it is. Happy Birthday.
@Taydee11937 ай бұрын
I love how joy talks like she actually played. Like me giving advice about to do ur nails
@user-lt1fx2he5s7 ай бұрын
All Baker has to do is play a good game
@hillbillyhitman85067 ай бұрын
Shady...how many years did it take Stafford to get to the SB? Edit: Shady, thePro Bowl is a popularity Contest. Antoine Winfied didnt make the Pro Bowl this year, yet he made 1st Team All Pro. What does that tell you?
@raysgay3297 ай бұрын
Brady had the same players last year and they were out round 1?
@adambeahan32007 ай бұрын
Not to mention went 8-9. Losing record.
@persistentlypathetic68207 ай бұрын
@@adambeahan3200 The offense with Baker compared to Brady is night and day. The offense is infinite times better than last year.
@urusledge7 ай бұрын
Basically all Baker conversations can fall into two categories: honest conversations about the fact that he’s clearly not a bum but might still need to prove a bit more, and haters. How can you tell the difference? One will talk about his statistical outputs given the immediate context of the season as well as the historic context of the place he is at. The other will say “psh! Really? What he even do tho? Nuh uh, is he as good as Aaron Rogers? Trash.”
@brandonpaddock53777 ай бұрын
The problem with today is QB gets way too much blame and way too much credit. If you actually watched Bucs games all year, you could probably throw 2-3 losses on Baker specifically. The one argument any of them made against Baker that I agree with was when Jones talked about his consistency. Baker does have those stinkers a little too often. But the rest was just noise based on judging a young QB growing up in terrible organizations.
@benjaminjenkins3947 ай бұрын
Yeah, none of them brought up any statistics to prove their point, it was pure conjecture. Also, we can assume that they haven’t really been watching any of the Bucs games based on the conversation as well. So, what they did was look at the Bucs record and regurgitated media talking points ie “the NFC South is the worst division in the league” I’m honestly not so sure about that and “they had a bad year” they did not have a bad year they had some really decent showing even in loses. Baker had over 4,000 yrs passing 26 TDs and like 10 ints those aren’t bad stats they’re above average. However, I do agree that he is a bridge QB for now unless he goes off next year.
@brandonpaddock53777 ай бұрын
I mean he was a missed headshot against the Chiefs from taking the Cleveland Turds and their 21st ranked scoring defense to the conference championship in 2020. Wouldn't be shocked if they beat the Lions this week.
@dominicharris54897 ай бұрын
Baker won the division and is having playoff success with virtually the same team that the "goat" Brady had. Shocker.
@theboxingboy74227 ай бұрын
Baker is proving alot of doubters wrong this year. He was brought to Tampa to be a bridge and he exceeded expectations and against the eagles him and the defense showed out and they got that win. If it wasn't Damar Hamlin's year I'd deffo say baker would be the comeback player of the year without a doubt
@DrPhill967 ай бұрын
He won 9 games in the worst division!!!
@kevinpacher48317 ай бұрын
@@DrPhill96he won 9 games when Vegas projected to win 3 games. And Vegas is almost never wrong. Let’s be honest , baker made them better!
@theboxingboy74227 ай бұрын
@@DrPhill96 yet every analysts and sportsbook favoured him to win alot less.. so like i said he exceeded expectations and won his division and won a playoff game and if he somehow beats the lions aswell and makes a championship game again people will move goalposts. Not saying he's one of the best QBs in the league he isn't but he's definitely made a good comeback this year
@DrPhill967 ай бұрын
@@theboxingboy7422 - So “every analysts and sports book”? How do you know what “every” analysts and sports book favored? 😂🤣 You sound clownish. And Baler is still trash, just played in a horrid division and beat a team that lost 5 of 6.
@ericp1667 ай бұрын
Were these haters saying dak deserves his money a few years back?
@jayr3997 ай бұрын
They need to keep this energy when Lamar drops another egg and gets dusted by a rookie. Baker is 2 and 1 in the playoffs, 7 tuds and 1 int, 104 passer rating Lamar is 1 and 3, 3 td and 5 picks. And like 70 passer rating in the playoffs. Amazing how Lamar gets all the love and accolades when he’s as bad as Dak Presscot has been with the ravens
@KClouisville7 ай бұрын
They are consistent about anything other than reinforcing whatever bias they have for or against certain players. Joy is the worst about it...though Shady is not far behind her.
@Joker.9.9.97 ай бұрын
Here's another way to see things...Baker carried his teams to the playoffs 2 time in 6yrs...Lamar carried his Team to the playoffs 6 time in 6 yrs
@user-op5mj3xl9v7 ай бұрын
Well Lamar bouta win MVP numba 2, no comparison lol
@jeanfourcade7 ай бұрын
@@KClouisville Joy is the worst every time she opens her mouths. Goos thing she's embarrassing herself a little further evey week.
@nogoodhandlesavailable7 ай бұрын
Lamer is the correct color
@davissinclair49457 ай бұрын
Cleveland didn't treat Baker Mayfield so well and now they are crying in their beers because the Browns are out and the Bucs are still in the playoff dance.
@Carters2Cents7 ай бұрын
My Cowboys had a great regular season, but now look at us. Baker went 9-8 and in the divisional round 1 game away from NFC Championship game
@1abrebel7 ай бұрын
Did they forget Baker had a different coordinator in Cleveland every year? So it's his fault a bad franchise drafted him and didn't give him any stability?
@gsyl6557 ай бұрын
James Jones nailed it at 2:30. Mike Evans is a FA next year so the more you pay Baker, the less you have to keep Mike. So now you have to ask is Baker worth it without Mike? If I'm Baker, I'd be fine taking a K Cousins type deal if it means they can keep Evans.
@kevinpacher48317 ай бұрын
They had 80 mill in dead money, they will have money to pay players next year. I think he is worth 30-35 a year for 3 years. I won’t pay Evan that much, He is past 30 even though he is great.
@bigmac27sauce597 ай бұрын
Whoa whoa whoa?!?! Bakers play? We're talking about the guy who shouldn't of been out there playing at all. The guy who had a brace on his shoulder that didn't allow him to complete his full throwing motion and a brace on his opposite knee. The dude is a warrior and at some point it is the coaches job to save him from himself and make him rest. While I agree the Eagles arent good, it is odd that they choose to acknowledge that now finally. Lets discredit 300 yards and 3TDs in the playoffs by saying his opponent is bad but that same team ride their D all season. At the very least he earned a hefty 2 year deal. It is crazy to say otherwise.
@glennbuhrr7 ай бұрын
Every team tht succeeds has very good players around them
@donniebiggs6 ай бұрын
Baker threw 4000+ yards, 28 TD’s , 10 Ints, and made the pro bowl…… those are top 10 stats for a QB in the league. Guys like Mahomes, Allen, Jackson, or Burrow are so hard to come by. Baker is right in that tier below them, he’s proven that with the year he had. If I was the bucs, I’d offer him a solid 3-4 year deal (if mahomes is making 40-50 Mil a year, baker should be getting 20) Imagine if you put Baker on the 49ers, you really think he couldn’t do what Purdy has done? That’s no hate on Purdy, I’m just saying….. Edit: I’d take Baker over Kirk….. Their pretty even to me but in the clutch, I trust Baker way more then Kirk. 🤷🏻♂️
@StuntmanBeatz3137 ай бұрын
Baker is on a team similar to Cleveland with a good defense & good receivers.. they’re a running game away from being perennial contenders..
@MikeKingJSM7 ай бұрын
Shady saying "Woah" hahahaha 🤣🤣🤣
@MikeKingJSM7 ай бұрын
@user-tn8uu2cu8g I'm team Jesus.
@TheColtonStreeter7 ай бұрын
I hope Baker plays like he did that 11-5 season for the rest of his career, but with more consistency, I promise there are few people who love Baker as much as I do, but he does have many off games
@TheColtonStreeter7 ай бұрын
@user-tn8uu2cu8g I'm a Christian
@gustavodiaz25887 ай бұрын
So media praises geno for making playoffs last year and say he deserves a starting job... But when baker makes playoffs with a worst team and WINS a playoff game he gets hate for it??? Makes no sense
@williamtaylor26617 ай бұрын
Funny because none of them took Bucs over Eagles last week. Shady said it was no chance because Bucs scored 9 against Carolina
@nathanielburkes49877 ай бұрын
The Bucs have the 31st ranked rush offense hasn’t he done enough
@ajmango2107 ай бұрын
Jalen Hurts got paid after being daniel jones and josh johnson the playoffs lmao
@verissilas75597 ай бұрын
So he’s gotta take a team who was picked to be in contention for a top 10 draft pick to a conference championship in order to earn y’all respect? 🤔
@spawn24147 ай бұрын
I think its funny whenever McCoy doesnt know what to say he just starts hating
@princecheck117 ай бұрын
so shady hating but no one else?
@peanut01877 ай бұрын
Here's the thing about Baker...he shown you how well he plays based on the franchise he's with...Browns had bad coaching but decent talent and he got to the playoffs. He went to Carolina with no help on offense with a injured CmC....Point is baker needs help, and if he has help on offense he can succeed. He's not a player who needs a run game to be good. He can sit back and throw
@nathanielburkes49877 ай бұрын
The Bucs ranked 31st in rushing during the season btw
@XlenceC7 ай бұрын
He had the coach of the year in 2020 when he made the playoffs in CLE. He also had Nick Chubb, who was a 1000 yd rusher who averaged 5.6 YPC. He needed both to win in CLE.
@halwa95287 ай бұрын
@@XlenceCwell now he has the worst run game in the league and a mid defence and look, dude has evolved and he's always had one of the best arms in football
@itsmyopinion94797 ай бұрын
@@XlenceCwrong stefanski didn't coach the playoff win so try again...amd name a QB that don't need no one I will wait cuz you can't....this be the dumb responses I'm talking bout like baker the only one that win with talent cuz NONE WIN WITHOUT IT
@XlenceC7 ай бұрын
@@itsmyopinion9479 they didnt have bad coaching, they had the coach of the year that season. They didn’t have “decent” talent. They had a top 3 line and top 3 RB. That was what I responded to. I’m not sure how well you comprehended that point. The defense that forced five TO in that playoff game vs. PIT was led by an All Pro. He had dogs around him, which was also my point. If you don’t understand complimentary football just say that.
@FidelCattto7 ай бұрын
Bucs had a better record this year and went farther in the playoffs than they did last year with Brady
@wrektified73697 ай бұрын
Yo they were only picked to be the worst team in the worst division at the beginning of the season.. that man deserve a 3 year deal
@DC-wg1zy7 ай бұрын
Joy is growing on me. I never used to agree with her whatsoever but this season was so wishy-washy that it's making these analysts lose their bias and now they speak with logic and not emotion
@ramongutierrez87557 ай бұрын
As a Bucs fan, I wasn’t on board with adding Baker but understood why because of dead cap money issue. Wasn’t impressed during the but he looked really good in the playoff win. He surprised me, but I think he should get a 2-3 year deal. This is what Bucs should have done with Winston if he cut his interceptions in half. Hope Baker keeps surprising me the rest of the playoffs.
@BUCemAll327 ай бұрын
I was all in on bake he's the most mobile QB we had in years and he's got a gun all these other teams overpaid for mid level QBs jimmy g got paid to sit on the bench Derek Carr got 100mill to not make the playoffs
@TheColtonStreeter7 ай бұрын
@bucemall3273 Saints still beat the Bucs 2nd or 3rd to the last week of the season
@SchoonerOffRoad7 ай бұрын
What do they say if Baker wins the Superbowl? I’m not saying that he’s going to win, but who all got signed long term deals and didn’t even make the playoffs this year? These people didn’t think the Bucs would win 4 games this season….correct?
@lastfirst231637 ай бұрын
Acho is a dawg for continuing to stand up for Baker. These haters woukd still hate if he won a superbowl
@gorillashop3377 ай бұрын
You forget that while playing in Cleveland Browns he hurt shoulder and was never the same
@TheColtonStreeter7 ай бұрын
Didn't have the chance, they got rid of him after his surgery
@camreese7 ай бұрын
Simple, he deserves the Geno deal. Their numbers are comparable and so are their stories
@Change4good77 ай бұрын
Shoutout to baker mayfield im really happy for him give him some kinda deal 💪🏿
@Change4good77 ай бұрын
Show me the shahada in the Quran and I become Muslim today? Or the Ten Commandments? You need Jesus your lost
@davidflorer57197 ай бұрын
As a Dolphins fan I would take Baker any day!
@sourdee80347 ай бұрын
Wish the Jets had atleast a baker mayfield 😢
@RESPECTTHISENT7 ай бұрын
He did more than Carr for my Saints so he deserve some money
@sportsavant29377 ай бұрын
I believe the Bucs are going to win this weekend. Baker had earned a long term contract. I think he deserves a 5 years $190 - $200 milllion contract. You have to remember, this is his first year in this system. He is still learning the offense and getting to know his receivers. $40 million a year for a good to very good QB in today's dollar is not a big amount. How much did the Giants give Daniels Jones? Baker is much better than Daniel Jones.
@tosh.0reddy7287 ай бұрын
I agree but I'm kind of worried because there's rumors that Canales, Bucs OC, might leave for a HC job
@lesterduncan29147 ай бұрын
You have unrealistic expectations of Baker my brother😂 So if they lose this weekend, you still gonna give him that??
@sportsavant29377 ай бұрын
@@lesterduncan2914 Yes, I will give him that money and build on this success next season. Which unemployed QB or backup QB out there that are better than Baker? $35 - $40 million next season is like $30-$35 million this season because the cap goes up. So $35 million to a better than above average QB is about right. Daniel Jones got paid 40 million per year and Baker is a whole lot better than Daniel Jones. Sign him and draft a QB in later rounds and hope you hit a lottery. Otherwise, who are out there that would give you a better option? I don't count his season with the Panthers because look at what happened to Panthers QBs the past 4 plus seasons. None of the QBs including Cam Newton did good. This year the number one pick looked like a huge bust. Are we already saying Trey Young (I think) is a bust because he sucks this year with the Panthers? If not, then we have to do the same for Baker. Baker was decent with the Rams for a few games and they don't want to pay him big money to backup Stafford who just got paid. But if Stafford retired this year, I am sure the Rams will sign Baker. Bakers did a really good job for the Bucs this season.
@bjvu94607 ай бұрын
You couldnt be a gm because you can't take data and make an intelligent decision. Baker is good when there is no expectation and teams arent scheming for him!!! That is a fact. The reason the browns traded him was because they knew that. If you believe that a team that won 1 game above being 500 is good, you need to go back to preschool since your ambition is at a all time low. Even Tebow was better than baker and for some reason they kicked him out of the league . Tebow actually beat a great team and a great qb, not a team that lost its last 6 games
@chikushodiz917 ай бұрын
Bruh the lions are going the demolish the bucs they have no chance
@NasirLawson-si5pu7 ай бұрын
baker played better than tua, if tua deserves an extension, so does baker.
@TimKahana7 ай бұрын
It’s funny how they talk about baker but he has less stability and same playoff wins as dak prescott and more play off wins than Lamar and Deshaun.
@MrBeatboxmasta7 ай бұрын
The longer the segment went, the deeper into the hedges Ocho went.
@marv3lou5mvs477 ай бұрын
7:26 Jesus Christ I love Joy Taylor. A true lady 👏🏾
@jaybrickman10947 ай бұрын
What does Jesus have to do with it
@user-it4yn9vz6c7 ай бұрын
Cuz God made her
@michaelcooke89897 ай бұрын
I gonna say the truth, he should get a short term deal. He really saved the bucs organisation, and the more damsge you do in the playoffs the better you can roar at table when its time for a payday.
@LikeableFiggas7 ай бұрын
Joy’s “I will swallow everything I jus said” “NO PAUSE” is craaaazzzyyy!!! 😅😅😅
@kenny_n47447 ай бұрын
They should have been 10-7.. Bucs defense gives up a TD to the Texans with 40 seconds remaining. First year OC, zero running game a weak interior Oline. Baker isn’t the problem.
@JewdahRize-me5or7 ай бұрын
A Texans team has a rookie QB and HC 😂
@kenny_n47447 ай бұрын
@@JewdahRize-me5or exactly
@SonAmyFan10127 ай бұрын
... The browns messed it up. Do we need to mention the following year after his breakout year he was hurt? Do we need to mention when Baker got to his 1st year the browns as a team was bad and he got them a few wins? Do we need to mention how bad Deshaun has played since being there? Only reason they got in the playoffs was the defense and Joe throwing with no cares in the world to a #1 WR. Was Baker causing some drama in Cleveland? Sure, but when he went to carolina... that team stunk and was in chaos with its HC. Goes to the rams on a team was all back ups and won some impressive games with nothing. 9-8 team, sure, but how many of those loses were baker's fault? How many instead was it on the bucs defense crapping the bed?
@lorenzotheman17 ай бұрын
he should get a little deal but you ain't gotta bash the man and his division. they sent you eagles home on a blowout so where is yo boy hurts at.
@iconicamericano11317 ай бұрын
If you include the playoffs, last year the bucs with Brady won 8 lost 10, this year with Baker they won 10 (so far) lost 8. Baker did this year, what I expected Brady to do last year but didn't.
@CharlesWilkinson-yc3dm7 ай бұрын
He played in the worst division someone had to make the playoffs in that division.
@sfreshdagreat97157 ай бұрын
All haters except Acho bucs was 4-7 midway mark finished 9-8 5 game winning streak so u gotta win all regular season games to be noticed like y’all are a joke n get paid to say bs
@robertjackson27007 ай бұрын
Baker is baking up some love in Tampa! 🎉 NFC Championship here we come!
@corybratcher9427 ай бұрын
“No pause” ☠️
@IBdaPrince7 ай бұрын
Long term deal? Probably not. 3 years, maybe 50 guaranteed and 75 total doesn't sound too unreasonable. The one thing I will say in defense of Baker is that it's hard for him to be consistent if the team around him isn't or if he's hurt like he was his second season with the Browns. Give him an opportunity to build with coach Bowles and the players around him, build confidence and trust, and if his play improves and elevates year after year, then you know it's time for that long term deal
@finefeeling48257 ай бұрын
35 mill a year is going rate for an "average" nfl QB. So even at that 105m contract.
@IBdaPrince7 ай бұрын
@@finefeeling4825 but the caveat is that he has played on 4 teams in 6 years. I wouldn't commit that much money to him just yet. Enough to keep him happy that he's well taken care of, but also to make him hungry to go out and prove he can get to that level with consistency
@cjfrm36587 ай бұрын
75M still a lot of money
@IBdaPrince7 ай бұрын
@@cjfrm3658 not when only 50 is guaranteed
@teddydatroop7 ай бұрын
That women completely ruined the flow. It’s like letting the baby talk for a couple seconds at a family reunion.
@Jonathan_Freeman7 ай бұрын
"do you know what you're get from Baker each and every game" dude has had like 8 different coaches on 3 different teams two of which were historically dysfunctional. The Browns were and are desperate and chaotic and it seems insane to use their organizational choices as an indictment on him, from reaching for first overall for him to bailing on him early to pay an obscene amount for a predator. It is a MIRACLE that Baker has even progressed AT ALL with the turbulence he's endured throughout his career especially playing through injuries half the time. The narratives and expectations around this dude considering all of that are RIDICULOUS. People make their minds up way too soon and way too permanently about these people, well what are Herbert or Lawrence or Bryce Young or Kyler or Justin Field's excuses for having organizational stability and not taking their teams to conference championships since that's apparently the only benchmark for being invested in? I didnt see any of these people be within a couple plays of taking the BROWNS to a conference championship over the dynasty Chiefs in their prime. We saw that potential and it actually happened. Then we were told that he's only a "gama manager," a "play action QB" that is only capable of producing with a dominant run game. Well that wasn't the case at all this year. So we hear more goal posts being moved exactly like Acho said, "well the division was bad, well the Eagles were bad," since when were the Jags a bad win? The Packers that no one's really sure what they're capable of now that just shut down the Cowboys that these talking heads were projecting as a super bowl team all year?? No one just rolls a dice and wins a division. I wouldn't say the NFC South is much different from the AFC West this year, but no one's doubting the Chiefs' potential. This is the NFL, there are no absolute certainties and the certainty and disrespect of some of these people is appalling.