Has Cohabitation Become Identical to Marriage in South Africa?

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The Conversation Capital

The Conversation Capital

2 жыл бұрын

Cohabitation or vat en sit, as it's known by South African locals, is when a couple that is in an intimate relationship decides to move in together without going through the formalities of getting married. The Gauteng High Court has ruled that couples living together can now claim the same rights as legally married couples.
Host: Ursula Mariani │Instagram: / ursulamariani
Co-host: Sibonganjalo Bonga Botha
Guest: Mamello Thulare │ Instagram: / theemeeky__
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Co-producer: Babaland
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@NtombizonkeMehlomakulu
@NtombizonkeMehlomakulu 2 жыл бұрын
Just found you on Tiktok and I am glued on my screen, I like the fact that the engagement feels like it's directed to a particular age group, I might be wrong but still love it.
@motlanalorahlagane9332
@motlanalorahlagane9332 2 жыл бұрын
Found this channel via tiktok and I'm glued... very informative 🙌❤
@josetheman239
@josetheman239 2 жыл бұрын
I would love to see the stats on the income of people who cohabitate. My assumption is that generally it's women who have the money to get married but are with men who can not afford to get married (women who support or partly support their partners financially). This means that most of these claims will be from men who are claiming the estate of women and it's not going to be for million dollar estates it's gonna be for Pollo Vivos and life insurance. Go to any executive boardroom and all the men there are married. So a significant ruling has been made on an outlier case. Most men who are worth anything are married or divorced and if they are cohabitating they are doing it in their own terms not because they need someone to pay half the rent which is the case with most cohabitating couples. So who does this ruling really protect?
@fumisoko7303
@fumisoko7303 4 ай бұрын
Great observation! I agree with you.
@LeratoLefafa
@LeratoLefafa 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting chat👌🏾 I come from a nuclear family & had a wonderful upbringing, but marriage is not one of my value states nor is it my partner’s, so cohabitation makes a lot of sense to us and I don’t think any union holds precedence over another for as long as two people choose each other. On the note about inheriting someone’s estate, I’m a big believer in letting someone put you in their will should they want you as a beneficiary lol
@thembakhanye
@thembakhanye 2 жыл бұрын
3.2 million is the recorded number, I’m certain the actual count is bigger than that for sure! 😂 great show Ursula and crew! Subbed!
@theconversationcapital
@theconversationcapital 2 жыл бұрын
Lol certainly!!! Thanks Themba
@josetheman239
@josetheman239 2 жыл бұрын
You have to wonder though, how many of those are actual family units? Generally if not tied down by marriage men will not stay unless they don't have options/need the woman to support them or partially support them. Most men who have the means get married, they don't cohabitate. What is the relationship between cohabitation of low income or cohabitation and female breadwinners?
@LifeChangePlans
@LifeChangePlans 2 жыл бұрын
The point is that there should not be a difference between marriage and cohabitation. When the women does not have legal rights or protection on termination of a cohabitation relationship. In the UK the law commission had concerns in in 2006 and a survey showed that 85% of cohabiting couples said that the same laws of rights and obligations of marriage should apply to cohabitation. The law can leave women in a precarious position when the ex partner leaves the relationship and then wants his property back. He goes on use the laws to evict her from the home they were to share together.m
@siphomabaso721
@siphomabaso721 2 жыл бұрын
Insightful!!!
@nontandongidi9613
@nontandongidi9613 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this conversation
@xoliswastuurman5053
@xoliswastuurman5053 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting and insightful conversation.🤩
@Gaffersly
@Gaffersly 2 жыл бұрын
Umjolo to deeds office wow
@MrRobertzingela
@MrRobertzingela Жыл бұрын
🤣🤣LOL..
@keyboardkung-fuwarrior8932
@keyboardkung-fuwarrior8932 Жыл бұрын
I have a feeling this might end up deterring a lot of people from vat-en-sitting in future. If the purpose of vat-en-sit, was to have the benefits of marriage without the consequences, (which are now in place), as someone with something to lose why risk it. And I get the whole (pre-nup agreement) thing, but isn't the whole point of vat-en-sit to avoid paperwork? This might benefit the people trying to avoid (Lobola/Mahadi) but those who never intended to, will avoid this whole situation entirely. Maybe it will force people to do the right thing or people will be forced to act as visitors in their partners house. Either way some will benefit from this and some will definitely lose.
@kholofelorantloane8317
@kholofelorantloane8317 2 жыл бұрын
Keep going this is great .
@theconversationcapital
@theconversationcapital 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Kholo, we have a lot more in store :-)
@Tholo_Journal
@Tholo_Journal Жыл бұрын
This was a very interesting and informative conversation.
@koketsomathebe1287
@koketsomathebe1287 2 жыл бұрын
Lovely discussion. Keep them coming👌
@theconversationcapital
@theconversationcapital 2 жыл бұрын
Listen!!!!!! you do not have to tell us twice!
@kholofelomoremi6979
@kholofelomoremi6979 2 жыл бұрын
Great conversation, love it 🙌🏽
@theconversationcapital
@theconversationcapital 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Kholo, we appreciate the lovvvveeeee
@tuckshopbafanaz8467
@tuckshopbafanaz8467 Жыл бұрын
What's your insta handle, not the channel but you
@marthasquire3127
@marthasquire3127 2 жыл бұрын
Great conversation indeed..Mamello, I have a question that what in a case where the partner passed away in 2017 unmarried and they owned a house 50/50. Can the surviving partner claim the full house under the new ruling since they did cohabitate for more than 10years with no kids. Is the surviving partner considered as the legal beneficiary?
@lesibamashaba3898
@lesibamashaba3898 Жыл бұрын
What a sad reality, Never again will I cohabit
@palreviews2900
@palreviews2900 2 жыл бұрын
looove
@lelebotlhoko3750
@lelebotlhoko3750 Жыл бұрын
Marriage in itself has always been a religious union and listening to this the value of marriage goes down because all the moral implications hold no bearing according to the law.
@Bhubesi
@Bhubesi Ай бұрын
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@tebogomohwaduba7529
@tebogomohwaduba7529 2 жыл бұрын
❤️
@preciousntsandeni2007
@preciousntsandeni2007 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Mamello, I have an ask. So what then happens in a case where someone is married (customary/civil marriage)....and then cohabitates with someone who isn't their spouse. Upon their death....who gets claim over the estate?
@theconversationcapital
@theconversationcapital 2 жыл бұрын
Hey, we haven't forgotten about this question. We will come back to you sooooonnnnnn :-)
@theconversationcapital
@theconversationcapital 2 жыл бұрын
Hey, Mamello’s response “Hi Precious. The spouse is still entitled to claim from the estate. The partner whom they were in a cohabitation partnership with can claim maintenance against the estate but would have to institute an application and provide evidentiary material, some sort of proof of financial support which was taking place for a prolonged period of time. Hope this helps!”
@chrismajola6065
@chrismajola6065 Жыл бұрын
Well since they just changed the Marriage without the accrual system contract ,then this is the next best thing honestly 🤘🤘
@gforce2924
@gforce2924 Жыл бұрын
they will if your partner has no other sources of income
@karabomadia2783
@karabomadia2783 2 жыл бұрын
Hehe
@duncantsolo3273
@duncantsolo3273 Жыл бұрын
I urge you to interview nthabiseng dubazana on this topic, she really cleared thing 4 me on this issue. u can see her interview on David king please use that as your referral. thank you and I'm subscribing because of this topic ❤❤❤❤💖💖💖💖💖😘😘😘😘😍😍😍😍😍😍
@life_with_yolanda
@life_with_yolanda Жыл бұрын
So Somzi is married to Mohale. Thanks for clearing that up 😌 kidding but not really.
@Cash_is_King727
@Cash_is_King727 Ай бұрын
Yeses this is so unnecessary, if people wanted the law in their business they'd just sign a marriage contract mos. My partner and I have been living together for 5+ years because it makes financial sense and if you want out you can just pack your stuff and leave without needing to explain yourself to anyone besides the other partner. We agreed that we're building 2 separate lives that enjoy each other's company and because we are 2 sober minded adults that hate drama we don't need contracts. You know what belongs to you take that and leave if the relationship is no longer serving you. Should you pass on all your hard work will go to whoever is in your will. Then the law decides to involve itself without being asked to.
@ntokozosibanyoni1421
@ntokozosibanyoni1421 2 жыл бұрын
Mnxa suka🤦🏿‍♂️
@mrmanq9517
@mrmanq9517 Жыл бұрын
Bayanya manje😂
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