Has the Qur'an Eternally Existed - Dr. James White vs Yusuf Ismail

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5 жыл бұрын

Here is the recent debate between Dr. James White and Yusuf Ismail on the topic of the Eternal nature of the Qur'an.
This is an interesting since this is the first debate in video on this subject between a Christian and a Muslim.
At a point Yusuf Ismail made an attempt to shift this debate into the Tawheed and Trinity debate, Dr. James White had to call him to in order so he stays on the topic of discussion.
An overall good debate, and a discussion worth debating more.

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@IslamCritiqued 4 жыл бұрын

Yusuf completely forgot what the topic of the debate was during the crossfire.

@seasonedapologist 4 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@samuelmiot 4 жыл бұрын

Not necessarily...if you don’t have an answer pick new topics strategy

@jaiyeolamonday7045 5 жыл бұрын

I am just disappointed of the tricks islamic apologists use in debates why divert the topic from quran to the bible ,thus is a bad debate.

@rakeerakee6623 5 жыл бұрын

I admire u dr.white truly the holy spirit is with u..God bless you.

@drmuhammadgullan1186 2 жыл бұрын

no god but allah!!!!

@rolandburchett 4 жыл бұрын

The most frustrating point of such debates is that i have not seen a single Muslim apologist ever who truthfully deals with the Christian position and exegetes the Christian scriptures accurately and in context.. The reason for this in my opinion is that they know majority Muslims will only suffice memorizing the Quran and not never touch the tafsir or hadiths so its most likely they wont read the Bible to understand its context..And pride is all that i see.. That most funny thing was that Yusuf quoted the Quranic verse which says the Quran is detailed and that too in Bold...If the Quran is detailed then all books ever written are incomplete

@princemichael03 5 жыл бұрын

Slam dunk, well done James!

@drmuhammadgullan1186 2 жыл бұрын

michael AS!!!

@logosministry8547 5 жыл бұрын

1:25:33 Amazing question Dr. White >>> thank you for uploading .... God bless you

@andys3035 4 жыл бұрын

I would respect Muslims more if they just admit that the NT teaches the divinity of Jesus, they just reject it a priori on the basis of the Quran.

@sulaimankatta1170 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks very much brother Yusuf for the wonderful presentation

@princemichael03 4 жыл бұрын

He failed woefully

@princemichael03 4 жыл бұрын

@My website: Bibleapostle dot com I have visited your website and the doctrine you promoting is heretic and blasphemy from the pit of hell

@anthonytan7134 5 жыл бұрын

On 1:24:38 the abdool concluded that Quran is the word of God while the Bible is not, but I thought the topic is whether the Quran is eternally existed !!!!!!???? and repeated in 2:13:00 ...as guidance to all humanities ??????? And lots of questions about Trinity, Bible, off topic.....poor preparation from the abdool side on the subject ! Just a poor debate ! Even James was bit upset at the end. Gb ur works Mr White.

@blackraven0109 4 жыл бұрын

Yusuf doesn't know who wrote Isaiah. But he will spend his entire day quoting Isaiah to prove the prophecy of Muhammad.

@bt490 4 жыл бұрын

IMHO, this subject is nonsensical since every Islamic source tells us that the Qur'an has been changed, altered, included disagreements amongst early Muslims, has missing verses and chapters, includes plagiarism and heretical fables etc...etc...etc

@scottthong9274 5 жыл бұрын

“The Quran must be from Allah because it reads like Allah is dictating - We created, etc” - goodness me, what a lame line of reasoning! Has Yusuf lost his logical edge the way Shabir Ally has with ‘number miracles of the Quran’?

@andys3035 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, the so called numeral miracles of the Quran is really a reach

@scottthong9274 4 жыл бұрын

Andy S Exactly! I’m not a philosopher but the kind of ‘logic’ shown just makes me 😵 Yusuf Ismail: “The Quran is phrased like Allah speaking the words, therefore it must be from Allah! (There can be NO other explanation!)” “Muhammad maintained the same message for 23 years, it’s miraculous! (There can be NO other explanation!)” Shabir Ally: “There are number coincidences in the Quran, it is proof of its divine origin! (There can be NO other explanation!)” 🤦‍♂️And these are supposed to be the westernised scholars...

@blackraven0109 4 жыл бұрын

Please request Yusuf Ismail to debate Christian Prince.

@scottthong9274 5 жыл бұрын

Wow see how much time Yusuf spends making up an explanation for the Zaynab case out of thin air! It’s obviously a point of massive embarrassment. Budding debators, do take note how devastating and time-consuming this issue is for the Muslim side.

@princemichael03 4 жыл бұрын

He is obviously a LIAR

@jeremiahpillay6219 4 жыл бұрын

Hi S apologist. Will you be uploading his debate with Ayoob Karim also?

@seasonedapologist 4 жыл бұрын

Yes, once it's ready. Thanks

@IronGod1640 4 жыл бұрын

@@seasonedapologist Any more info on the debate with Ayoob Karim?

@blackraven0109 4 жыл бұрын

Will Yusuf Ismail debate Christian Prince. Please question him

@blackraven0109 4 жыл бұрын

Yusuf avoids quotations of scholars and gives his own explanation. Christian Prince would had screwed him. Who comes with is own explanation.

@scottthong9274 5 жыл бұрын

Yusuf just doesn’t get the Biblical concept of theopneustos. Or he intentionally straw mans it to score points.

@dtrez3866 Жыл бұрын

This is where Dr white comes into his own. No one really does this better than dr white. He truly is an outstanding christian apologist.

@azuzena85 4 жыл бұрын

When is the other debate going up?

@seasonedapologist 4 жыл бұрын

It is already up, check our channel

@azuzena85 4 жыл бұрын

S Apologist 🙁 i dont see it

@seasonedapologist 4 жыл бұрын

@@azuzena85 not uploaded yet.

@jo8225 4 жыл бұрын

Muzlims want to convert the Bible to Islam that's why they always again and again parroting the silly questions, they even don't care about the answers, their agenda only about repeating the questions. But as a christian I think that we can use Muslims agenda to learn more about the Bible so we can spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Make their agenda as our exercise, learn their question and answer it. And big thanks for Dr. James White, I learn so much from you, may Jesus bless you.

@joeorony2118 5 жыл бұрын

I thought the topic was all about the curan!! ... Only to end up in the Bible... What wasted topic

@princemichael03 4 жыл бұрын

all because the Quran is full of lies and tale from non historical sources and lie by nature is Undefendable

@lawrencestanley8989 4 жыл бұрын

Beginning at 37:37, and continuing through about 42:00, this is a typical debate tactic; if you know that you don't have a case, start throwing mud at your opponent, and all of that crap that came later about the various flood myths throughout the world, and the Mithra thing just prove the point that Ismail has done zero real research on the assertions that he is making. Actually, it sounds like his primary sources for his biggest talking points are atheist's websites.

@misspiggy8247 5 жыл бұрын

- Bukhari 6:61:510 - testimonies were burned. - Muslim 5:2286 - entire chapters were forgotten and lost. - Bukhari 6:66:8 - verses lost in war (sunnah.com/bukhari/66/8) - Bukhari 6:61:527 - testimonies of the best memorizer were removed. - Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir vol.2 p.444 - today's quran (from Zayd Ibn Thabit) is not the original. - Sunan ibn Majah 1934/1944 - verses lost forever because a goat ate them. - Abdullah ibn Umar - "THE ORIGINAL QURAN IS LOST FOREVER" - Jalal al Din 'Abdul Rahman b. Abi Bakr al Suyuti, al Iqtan fi'ulum al-Quran, vol.2, p.55 Abrogation is also weird if alllah had all the time before Muhammad to create it or think of what had to be in it. Why change his mind so often when it would have been eternal. Islam is self defeating.

@misspiggy8247 5 жыл бұрын

The quran is full of contradictions so according to this muslim it proofs that it is not of allah. He just debunked his own faith. Congratulations. He just said if it is not consistent it is not of allah and the contradictions and abrogations proof quran is not consistent hence not of allah thier god. He speaks in the quran in the third person all the time. It says allah says.... or he said... How can a god talk like that about himself. It shows the god did not write it but people. Next to that this we stuff for a non trinitarian god is BS for it shows they believe in multiple gods. The original Hebrew does not have stops, comma's etc. It did not even have spaces between words. Maybe this muslim guy should read into the things he says before he makes a fool of himself. For he muslims Isa is the word of allah which is their god. Their own quran says that a few times. I will now watch the remainder without replying to stupidness.

@scottthong9274 5 жыл бұрын

Dr White, bring up Sura 5:32 - a clear indication of confusing a manmade Talmudic commentary for divinely inspired decree!

@ruelf6231 4 жыл бұрын

The islam guy never sticks to the topic. This is a classic impression that he cannot defend his stand.

@anthonytan7134 5 жыл бұрын

First mistake by the abdool...surah 17 is surah al isra, not surah bani israel....minute 30:59 !!!!! Strike 1

@shamounian 5 жыл бұрын

Antonius Tanoso to correct you Sura 17 is called both Isra and bani Israil

@anthonytan7134 5 жыл бұрын

@@shamounian I read my Yusuf Ali.....the translation Night Journey, bani israel..Israel/Jacob, related to Jacob's descendant ? Wrong reading in my part then Sam ? Tqs

@shamounian 5 жыл бұрын

Antonius Tanoso it’s called both and you just listed both names from Yusuf Ali.

@anthonytan7134 4 жыл бұрын

@@shamounian Thanks for the correction Sam ! Curiously, I checked this website www.islamqa.info, and as you said it is also called soorat al isra, and this surah bani Israel also mentioned in Sahih al bukhari ( # 4708 n 4739 ) and Jami At Tirmidhi ( # 3405 )...and I also found something interesting, maybe you can comment ? Quote of answer to question # 163112.... Al-‘Allaamah al-Taahir ibn ‘Ashoor (may Allah have mercy on him) said: ..... In many Mushafs it is called Soorat al-Isra’. Al-Aloosi stated that it is called by this name, because at the beginning it mentions the Isra’ (Night Journey) of the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) and that is the only place where it is mentioned. But at the time of the Sahaabah it was called Soorat Bani Israa’eel, the reason for that being that it mentions things about Bani Isra’eel that are not mentioned in other soorahs, namely their subjugation by those who were given to terrible warfare (cf. 17:4) -- the Assyrians; then their subjugation by another people -- namely the Romans. It is also called Soorat Subhaan, because it begins with this word. End quote from al-Tahreer wal-Tanweer, 15/5 See also the answer to question no. 131664 End quote I thought Bani Israel was conquered by : 1. Assyrian ( 10 northern tribes as I might recall ) 2. Babylonian ( Judah and Benjamin ) 3. Persian 4. Roman And Bani Israel is also mentioned on surah Al Maidah ( 20-26 ) Thanks Sam, also watching you and David. Done good works. Gbu

@anthonytan7134 4 жыл бұрын

...forgot Greek before Roman.