Latency is a deal breaker for me...hope they fix it.
@Charmander0094 жыл бұрын
Not just latency . Look how slow the ball is moving
@MegiddoTheImmaculate4 жыл бұрын
Yeah I don't know if the processor isn't up to snuff but this thing looks barely playable as is.
@RabbitConfirmed4 жыл бұрын
was just thinking the same, that's so bad. like that's one of the most important thing for a pinball game. Heck even the iPad version of Williams Pinball is better than having to deal with latency issues..
@BobMcGeeSlaps3 жыл бұрын
They're offering free PCB swaps to one without latency and coming out with a new version of the cab using the new hardware.
@polariscat3 жыл бұрын
Looks like customized Pinball Arcade software. Would explain the latency. Don't hold your breath for an update :P
@allenedwall38354 жыл бұрын
I came across your channel by accident. Very interesting. I had no idea such a thing existed. BTW, the Centigrade 37 game you reference as part of the 12 games, I designed that game (I worked for both Gottlieb and Premier Technology). I also programmed "Bone Busters" and "Class of 1812", and worked on "Lights, Camera, Action". I also helped program Haunted House.
@motnostaw28133 жыл бұрын
Class of 1812 is a lot of fun. Still appreciated all these years later. :)
@msk70kr2 жыл бұрын
good pinball games, too bad a company that refuses to honor the warranty or even respond to customer issues got the rights to put your tables on their POS machine. Been trying to contact them since september , no response
@johnross91182 жыл бұрын
I bought a real full sized class of 1812 and it is my fav!
@overratedprogrammer Жыл бұрын
You are a wealth of experience and stories
@BenDunlop11 ай бұрын
I grew up playing haunted house on Microsoft pinball on windows 98 😅loved it virtually, but never played the physical pinball...yet
@Vince0844 жыл бұрын
The delay killed it for me..... you can’t have that in pinball
@figment19884 жыл бұрын
Thankfully, ToyShock announced that those who bought these tables are able to order a revised PCB that fixes the lag, some high score issues and ensures 60 fps gameplay
@Vince0844 жыл бұрын
figment1988 thanks I’ll probably wait it out and hopefully revised ones roll out
@figment19884 жыл бұрын
@@Vince084 if you get one now, you will be able to request for the revised PCB when they start becoming available sometime in July
@zyxyuv16504 жыл бұрын
If ETA PRIME didn't complain about stuff like the latency then I wouldn't watch this channel. He's honest and never became an affiliate link seller.
@mrburns3664 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure if he's never posted an affiliate link but I wouldn't care if he did. He puts a lot of time into these videos and if he posted affiliate links I'd be fine with it.
@zyxyuv16504 жыл бұрын
@@mrburns366 He posts affiliate links on all the vids where possible. I meant he's not an affiliate link salesman. There's a lot of channels that are like that, they even ban commenters for hating on the products.
@Lazarus4044 жыл бұрын
It's a sweet device, but the latency kills it for me. Even watching the latency is frustrating. Pinball is all about timing, so there should be no latency.
@Charmander0094 жыл бұрын
Yea the fools released a half assed machine
@defconone14984 жыл бұрын
That latency on bumpers is a game killer for me. Especially for pinball.
@UnixGoldBoy4 жыл бұрын
If you’re interested in playing the original Gottlieb Haunted House pinball machine and live in North Carolina, there is a playable one at the Asheville Pinball Museum.
@ETAPRIME4 жыл бұрын
And it’s only $15 for all you can play, I’m going again in February.
@dereks38494 жыл бұрын
The retrocade in Ashville is pretty good too.
@JS_20994 жыл бұрын
Galloping Ghost Pinball has it too.
@dontmesswiththeman3 жыл бұрын
I was kind of on the fence about picking one up, but thanks to your honest review I decided that my money would be better spent towards another real table.
@TacticalPower884 жыл бұрын
After watching this video I got inspired to open my laptop so that its flat, lay it down and fire up some mame pinball roms. Kinda random but I thought you should know lol.
@ETAPRIME4 жыл бұрын
😂
@jessragan67144 жыл бұрын
That's actually a really good idea. I've got a Fujitsu tablet computer with a screen that can be flipped and folded over the keyboard... it seems like it work work really well for Visual Pinball. (Is that still supported?)
@mrburns3664 жыл бұрын
I'm going to do the same with my cell phone and put my face REALLY close... ;) ;P
@TacticalPower884 жыл бұрын
@@mrburns366 A tablet would probably work alot better lol
@LemonRush77774 жыл бұрын
After you finish, put it sideways and play Shmups.
@DaHaiZhu4 жыл бұрын
The Bezels are for your BEER!!! 🍻
@loop54 жыл бұрын
and the latency so you can take a zip in between sips
@kevsteele4 жыл бұрын
So, this appears to be a port of "The Pinball Arcade" by Farsight Studios. Since they lost the Williams/Bally license, I'm assuming the Gottlieb tables are all they still have a license for.
@yvesnyfelerph.d.82974 жыл бұрын
They still do have Sterns though...
@figment19884 жыл бұрын
That's what it is - a tweaked version of The Pinball Arcade, but with the alphanumeric (and electromechanical in the case of Big Shot and Jacks Open) Gottlieb games
@Alexis40ar4 жыл бұрын
LOL the ball seems like it’s floating on air. They should have licensed Pinball FX 3 engine which is awesome.
@baddoomguy19863 жыл бұрын
Or used Visual Pinball X which is free and open source, told people to download tables, and told Farsight to piss off.
@Zoyx4 жыл бұрын
Hope they come out with a Bally or Williams version. Also, hope they take care of the latency.
@figment19884 жыл бұрын
Arcade1Up is making the Bally tables as they have the license with Zen Pinball
@theoldar4 жыл бұрын
Mine is wrapped under the tree. I am looking forward to Christmas morning.
@Yaoau4 жыл бұрын
That thicccc boarder kill this for me. No sure, I don't like it
@travallen54814 жыл бұрын
Would be cool to trim bezel and put a bigger screen on it.
@ADR694 жыл бұрын
Even a logo or border sticker could help immensely
@Zogtee4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I can't get past that giant bezel. Even some generic artwork there would have helped a lot.
@Nephyness4 жыл бұрын
I agree. That bezel is just awful. I am surprised they didn't put any art on it.
@ninjamaster34534 жыл бұрын
Probably be OK with a 32". Those ain't expensive. Probably will be offered in future.
@furrymessiah4 жыл бұрын
This looks an awful lot like a reskin of The Pinball Arcade, right down to the instructions mode and achievements. They have all 12 games in their DLC library as well.
@ivandavidmacinas32574 жыл бұрын
I believe they partnered up, as the FarSight Studios channel posted an ad for this machine.
@redperson114 жыл бұрын
I would love to just see everything you have. You seem to have so many things i haven't even seen in stores, like this.
@b.o.3534 жыл бұрын
Spot on review with the slow mo latency. Wish they had spent a little more on the CPU and got rid of the latency
@WonkoTSane4 жыл бұрын
The latency is a factor of the display not the CPU. It is possible that it can be fixed with an update to the display. It is the same as playing your Xbox on a TV that is set to movie mode rather than game mode. Even with it set up correctly it is still not as responsive as a real machine though.
@spacecowboyfpv55114 жыл бұрын
Can't wait to see V2 of this. V1 is clearly crappy but the idea is gold. FIX IT AND TAKE MY MONEY
@GforceMI19654 жыл бұрын
I've been considering making one of these and slapping a PC inside for Pinball FX, could probably use an old Dell/HP Office PC.
@jayhunts86674 жыл бұрын
Not bad looks fun and for the price can't go wrong
@wetoutLL4 жыл бұрын
I wish you'd make virtual pinball videos and how to set it up in Launch box, emulators, etc
@Diedonacagedworld4 жыл бұрын
Thats really cool for what you get. Ironically I would want a smaller one lol. I live in a camper. When there cheaper might keep one at a friend's house.
@FranktheTank3194 жыл бұрын
How is the ball physics, though? That's what I want to know.
@ivandavidmacinas32574 жыл бұрын
This is just a modified version of The Pinball Arcade. You can play the free trial of the various tables (and more). For me, it's good enough.
@b.o.3534 жыл бұрын
Android version of pinball arcade.
@MoviesNGames007uk4 жыл бұрын
Disappointing they lost the licenses for the base games tables Im just glad I purchased all of the packs in time. Pinball FX 3 is a good alternative though l.
@ivandavidmacinas32574 жыл бұрын
@@MoviesNGames007uk I hope that Pinball FX3 acquires the Gottlieb tables, mainly Haunted House and Cue Ball Wizard.
@FatNorthernBigot4 жыл бұрын
Digital pinball? New one on me! Looks great fun, though.
@MrLloydFletcher4 жыл бұрын
I'd paint the bezel black. The gray color looks weird on it. Other than that, I want one!
@GenGamesUniverse4 жыл бұрын
I'd personally put a custom bezel on there.
@figment19884 жыл бұрын
I know that a game Graphics Company is selling a custom bezel artwork that matches the motif of haunted house
@peachjackson38562 жыл бұрын
Argh! That latency really is a dealbreaker. Kinda like THE biggest deal with pinball. So disappointed! I was totally about to start saving for one of these. Thanks so much for reviewing it in such great detail! 👍
@teddym28084 жыл бұрын
Man even when you had it at normal speed, I could "feel" the latency through the vid. I could never get used to that and makes it an 100% deal breaker at this stage.
@Joshn7144 жыл бұрын
Thank you for reveiwing this machine. I have a digital pincab in my house and always interested in what's going on in the digital pinball market. Black Hole is a very addicting table!
@joeyjojojunior48864 жыл бұрын
Nothing beats a physical pinball machine.
@uksewingmachineservice70304 жыл бұрын
Looks brilliant mate nice one don 🤠🇬🇧👍👍👍
@Colin_Ames4 жыл бұрын
I don’t think it’s too bad, considering the intended market. It wasn’t built for aficionados of real pinball machines, and wasn’t meant to compete with systems from companies like GRS, which are way more expensive. It’s a toy, and will be played by kids who have never played a real table. The price is a little high, but it will probably drop after Christmas.
@IRWPD4 жыл бұрын
This is a cool idea for those who love pinball but don't have the space for a real one.
@benlogan1004 жыл бұрын
I love the idea here, but ball physics need work.
@jothain4 жыл бұрын
I was looking everything else that wasn't good, but then actually looked at the gameplay and oh dear god they really need to work with physics :D That's just absolutely horrible.
@Singuy8884 жыл бұрын
I thought it's the video but does look like the ball is extremely floaty. Far cry vs vpx
@superduty45564 жыл бұрын
Can we get a game room tour? Apologies if you already did one.
@GenGamesUniverse4 жыл бұрын
honestly I'd be tempted to get one, gut out everything (i.e. change the screens so that they're two monitor style screens as well as the buttons), slap custom decals on there and get a custom PC with Future Pinball on.
@LCOmusic4 жыл бұрын
XTheVideoGamerGirlX same honestly. I have a DIY mini cabinet already, and a full size cabinet in the works, but I’m going to try to keep an eye out for sales on this because it would be a fantastic target for mods.
@CementRoots4 жыл бұрын
not worth the time or the money.... start from scratch
@CantankerousDave4 жыл бұрын
Wow, Black Hole, I haven’t seen that table since I was little. I played tons of pinball in the early nineties, but not Gottlieb. Gilligan’s Island and Addams Family were more my jam.
@rushmore39273 жыл бұрын
The geometry skill of these companies is is hilarious. These aren't 3/4 scale. They're closer to half scale.
@000jimbojones0004 жыл бұрын
i build my 24" pinball out of used pc parts... 2 used monitors (40 Euros) a used core 2 quad pc for 20 Euros. Used PC 3in1 speaker system 5 Euros. a 120 GB ssd with windows and tables 20 Euros. Buttonset (8 Euros) + the wood and work... So you can build a better system like this for around 100 Euros if you make it DIY and use used parts. Also its fun to do so. good thing is the marque display changes when you use pinballx. and you can add tons of tables. Mine has around 400 now.
@CementRoots4 жыл бұрын
yep this is true... I built a standard 40" for under $1000...
@thomashounsome77374 жыл бұрын
Looks like a great little machine, I would happily pick one up but the latency is really a deal-breaker.
@retrorewindllc93634 жыл бұрын
Get sum of those plastic bed frame leg raisers to raise it. There like a big plastic block that's made for legs of beds to sit into to make taller, but would work great for this, comes in black plus can get em @ Walmart! Simple solution
@ETAPRIME4 жыл бұрын
Awesome idea!!!! I’m gonna pick some up Tomorrow. Thank you that will work perfectly!
@retrorewindllc93634 жыл бұрын
@@ETAPRIME yea np! Hope they work good for u. I use them for about the same, really is a cheap decent solution to raise machines , I even used them to make a raised platform for the one ups!!
@scottishgamer72104 жыл бұрын
It would be cool if they added a usb so you could download your pinball games
@atariforever20024 жыл бұрын
How can they leave the flippers timing screwed up?!? Thats essential too pinball. That will be a no for me.
@iamtheflu4 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I think the latency exists because of the lack of power in the CPU. It's unable to run the tables accurately enough to limit the latency. I'm still interested though. I would probably replace the computer and eventually the field display. I could do the recroom masters cabinet, but this seems like a little less effort. I'll look into it more.
@octoman_games4 жыл бұрын
time to see mods!!!!
@stevenwheat36214 жыл бұрын
Give it alittle time. They will come..
@ChadWSmith4 жыл бұрын
I am not sure I've ever heard of a digital pinball machine before (other than just normal video games) - one set up like an actual pinball machine is pretty awesome. Now I want to dive into videos of people building their own using RPis or other SBC or PCs.
@MannyDer4 жыл бұрын
I found VP a few months back. I ended up putting a 60" tv in portrait next to my main tv just for VP. I even made a controller out of wood and arcade buttons the same width as a normal table. There is a huge community of people into this. The best IMO is VP on the HTC VIVE. So cool to play a 20 ft pinball table
@FuncleNaeNae4 жыл бұрын
When you do the mod on it make sure you put SPACE CADET.
@michaelkaybecker4 жыл бұрын
I have been trying to find a good version of space cadet for my digital pin but there hard to find a decent copy
@UltraReefReseller2 жыл бұрын
These are on sale for $549 now....399 was a steal, you just didn't know it.
@AlexVandeBunte4 жыл бұрын
I'd love to follow ETA PRIME on a custom (or even pre-built) digital pinball build journey! I hope to have one in my home within the next five years. In the meantime, thank you for giving us a look at this off-the-shelf possibility!
@kyles85244 жыл бұрын
Cool I own several real pinball machines one being black hole and the huge problem here is the balls move way slower than they should
@chibang4924 жыл бұрын
I wish they would of made this based on the Black Hole cabinet with spinning black Hole backbox instead of Haunted House. Then I would of bought it. Never the less, it's a pretty cool concept. However, I dont need one of these because I have a decent collection of original real full sized pinball machines. There ain't nothin like the real thang baby.
@manipulationstation24544 жыл бұрын
Almost worth it for Black Home alone Haunted House is a great one also. Always loved Gottleib tables......Good Lord I'm getting old lol!
@charmainegoree7662 жыл бұрын
I’m just coming across this video now I hope they fix the lag that you were talking about because my machine is arriving today and the price jumped to $600
@gaeljehnno4 жыл бұрын
I have paid les them that for my pinball ( old electromechanical bally, all 3 of them).
@EmergencyChannel4 жыл бұрын
Should have done a blackhole theme imo. I hope they can get a Williams license, would love to see Black Knight 2000 and Bride of Pinball, both are in my opinion the peak of pinball design and pinball machines started majorly declining after.
@WickedGamerCollector4 жыл бұрын
Toy Shark is expensive toy virtual pinball, same here love to have virtual pinball some day. Great Video Review like always ETA Prime ! :D EDIT - 5:50 very important when playing these virtual pinball games. thanks for showing !
@TXetc4 жыл бұрын
These are sweet. I’d like to do a Pokemon Pinball build maybe. Kinda bored of tinkering with the Arcade1Ups and want to do something new.
@DoubleG2474 жыл бұрын
Who likes Bally/Williams over Gottlieb? Your thoughts 💭
@loganq4 жыл бұрын
It depends on the time period really. But the System 80 machines are fantastic.
@timdawg91984 жыл бұрын
I need Williams!
@stinkypinkeee50854 жыл бұрын
Data East made the incredible Star Wars machine in the early 90's...that table alone puts them in rarified air...Bally-Midway made some amazing games, but Gottlieb did as well...so very hard to pick between them...
@figment19884 жыл бұрын
Most Gottlieb pinball tables were very good, and many arcade operators loved the tables because their dot Matrix displays didn't eat up as much energy as the Williams tables
@BIGMIKE360AMUSEMENTS4 жыл бұрын
The Nudge has a faster response than the actual flipper buttons. I wish you can add more games on here instead of modding the entire pinball machine. On a scale from 1-10 what is your rating on this game?
@kepler2402 жыл бұрын
the flipper lag is the same on "pinball arcade" which I also returned because of this same issue.
@fred_derf4 жыл бұрын
The legs aren't adjustable, so how do you level it? Note: The above is a joke, I'm sorry I have to point that out but so many people seem to be humour impaired these days…
@gorhor90064 жыл бұрын
...but can it be modified 🙏
@ozzie.l.60354 жыл бұрын
Wow kool pinball machine,i like it..i wish I would have the space to have one of those..
@LucDesormeaux4 жыл бұрын
You're awesome at doing tutorials. I really hope that you'll do a tutorial to setup the virtual pinpall "emulator". Not an easy task to set it up properly. :)
@Uncle-Jay4 жыл бұрын
Input delay ruins it for me. Also should have some sort of knocking function to make it more realistic. Would have been an easy buy for me then.
@ThomasGrillo4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the demo. Looks pretty interesting.
@sightingson18wheels4 жыл бұрын
Aww man.. Now I need a raise, or second job to buy this stuff! Will wait for the second run machines when they get the flipper issues worked out, or possibly make it upgradeable. Thank you once again for your wonderful review!
@southerndandy49104 жыл бұрын
The state of that damn bezel.
@PDubsArcadeLoft4 жыл бұрын
Another Top Notch Review by ETA Prime! Well done as always good sir! For those who want to know MORE about this product including seeing some exclusive upcoming cabinet releases and improvements you may want to check out and join The Official Toy Shock Digital Pinball Fan Page on Facebook. Great community over there, well moderated! Toy Shock will be at CES next month as well (nudge nudge wink wink)! It is very difficult to cram a $5,000 Machine into a $400 Machine, for what it is, this Toy Pinball (it is definitely a TOY) is a lot of fun!
@Sydneyadventuretours4 жыл бұрын
Latency sucks ...thanks for the good review I’ll hold off till a better unit come’s along
@craigepeel43204 жыл бұрын
how can a bigger monitor be added?
@jnkmal95194 жыл бұрын
That latency is gross. I don't understand why game controllers are released before bugs like this are ironed out. Unacceptable.
@douglasquaid45184 жыл бұрын
Part of the delay might be slapping the flipper buttons instead just rest your fingers on the buttons then push
@WitchyWagonReal2 жыл бұрын
They’re getting there... another couple years. 😆
@Chillywilly8818Ай бұрын
Dang could have atheist blended the bezel with cabinet art or made it black
@ADR694 жыл бұрын
So is it basically a 24 inch monitor turned 90*? If there's a normal digital interface it may be replaceable to help with that border.
@JosephTrezza4 жыл бұрын
Please mod this bad boy like you did the arcade 1 up! I need that follow along video to make it happen lol.
@90sBasketballBios4 жыл бұрын
To anyone who sees this in the comments, have a wonderful day & remember you are Awesome😊. Thanks for the video ETA!
@tim490134 жыл бұрын
I’d love one but maybe a bit smaller like a table top one slimmer and easier to put away that would make me easier for me to own as space is an issue
@modeljetjuggernaut48649 ай бұрын
Why does there seem like a lot of lag on gameplay. You mentioned the flippers but its choppy everywhere else. Or is my wifi connection slow..
@KrisRatliff754 жыл бұрын
Good morning ETA Prime. It looks like the machine is running the Pinball Arcade app. I have that on my 1st gen Pixel XL and have several games. I wonder if the interface can accept additional pins?
@tippern24 жыл бұрын
need a looking glass pinball
@michaelturner44572 жыл бұрын
This looks very much like Farsight Studio - Pinball Arcade I have on my computer. On the computer can't say I've noticed any latency though, with either the flippers, or the plunger controls.
@davidcarper54113 жыл бұрын
A monitor with a faster refresh rate would solve the latency issue ?
@jeffhernandez75944 жыл бұрын
As the kind of psycho who built his own full size cab, it's not hard do it yourself. These are the same versions that you can buy through steam on the pinball arcade. (but seriously, just wait for pinball fx3, it'w superior, or vpx which is superior to that)
@djm23734 жыл бұрын
I wish the bezel was green the same as Cab.
@RenManinJapan4 жыл бұрын
Hmmm is it just me or... I have actually never heard of those pinball machines.. I’m a late 70’s, growing up in the 80’s. Arcades and skating rinks.. just never even played those!
@CementRoots4 жыл бұрын
Gottlieb was more popular with there electromechanical pinball machines, these are there early Solid State machines.... Haunted House was the first two level machine.... as for this POS machine , it doesnt do these these machines any justice.... I built a video pinball a few years ago and it cost me a little over double... and its full size....
@frostyhighway90114 жыл бұрын
I would like to see more of the Haunted House Board.
@greenprotag4 жыл бұрын
You should totally grab a cheap 1080p panel @32" or whatever will fit in that cabnet and do a bezel trim and a fresh plexy. You also said more systems... would love to see that. Is there a company that has remade the classic digital space cadet cabnet we use to play on windows?
@loganq4 жыл бұрын
I'd pay a little more for a playfield without the giant bezel and a virtual backglass. As it sits, I'd do $199.95 if/when it makes it to clearance.
@msk70kr2 жыл бұрын
I bought a toy shock pinball machine in September 2021. I emailed customer service the same week with an issue. NO reply. Nothing.
@doslover4 жыл бұрын
The latency is a bummer, I like the idea but I think that would kill it for me. It doesn't seem terrible but enough that it would bug me.
@skywarp7274 жыл бұрын
I can see the delay in real time while your playing. That's not gonna work for me.
@tbx594 жыл бұрын
I want to fast forward to like generation 4 of these things and have it right now.
@melvinlovejones4 жыл бұрын
Very helpful video, thanks.
@graydogg513 жыл бұрын
Could just purchase some plastic bed risers from Walmart. They make them in two heights.
@fred_derf4 жыл бұрын
You say that the flipper-latency isn't really an issue and you're use to it, yet in the video I saw several occasions where you missed shots because of flipper-latency. That just makes me think you're not being honest in your criticism.
@milesdyson52114 жыл бұрын
NO Reason for that HUGE GIGANTIC BOARDER around the game , Thats a deal breaker for me , I wouldnt even consider it because of that !
@rushmore39273 жыл бұрын
ETA, like the Arcade 1ups, not sure on the geometry they are using to say this is 3/4 scale ;)
@kjetilfrugard83954 жыл бұрын
If they include Space Cadet and Epic Pinball it's an instabuy for me.