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Scott when hit by 1 sand attack : "my accuracy is now 66% which means I will always miss" Scott when using hypnosis : "60% accurate ? yeah it'll work out don't worry"

I feel like they gave the gastly line the poison typing because in gen 1 the poison type was the default “evil” type, which from gen 2 onwards would be replaced with the dark type.

Im happy to see my ideas ended up being critical and useful for the final time! Always a pleasure helping/working with you, I love to see how our collective worker between many runners ends up being helpful. Amazing video, thank you for your continuing work, dedication and incredible quality videos Scott&team

A sponsor! Scott got a sponsor! Congrats man, you really deserve it.

I love that you're bringing your community into the videos. I feel like these runs are going to start getting CRAZY optimized!

You should totally do a race with Hypno vs. Hypno where you change it's growth rate to medium slow. Would serve as a great illustrration of how important growth rate is, because you'd be comparing the pokemon to itself.

I loved the section with the graphed information on different levels for each poke. Really puts each run into perspective

I remember when runners like gym leader matt AND Austin did this Erika pathing back in the smeargle versus community challenge And now this is a META path for speedrunning I am seeing THE LEARNING and improvements SCOTT GOOD JOB

I'm excited to see Weepinbell and Poliwhirl. I think both have the potential to outdo Haunter. They both get a sleep inducing move (Sleep Powder or Hypnosis) and strong stat boosting moves (Growth and Swords Dance for Weepinbell and Amnesia for Poliwhirl).

That first Champion fight had SIX Hypnosis hits in a row. I have never seen that 😮

Regarding Body Slam on Gengar, I think it makes sense. The whole idea of the Gengar-line is it starts as a non-corporial ball of gas, and evolves into the fully formed Gengar. Haunter being an intermediary step. So I think it makes sense that it gains Body Slam upon being fully formed.

Great video Scott! In terms of what middle stage evos seem most likely to me in terms of beating Haunter, the two that come to mind are Poliwhirl and Weepinbell. Poliwhirl might seem like a weird choice to some, it gets a ton of advantages ingame that it's prevolution and evolution both don't get. It's a happy medium between having an incredible movepool, typing, and passable stats. 90 speed is very good, it's other stats are not great, especially that 50 base special but keep in mind that once you get access to amnesia, that won't be a problem anymore. It gets bubble and hypnosis to start, very good for brock. It seems worse than it is for misty, because if I'm not wrong you can get access to Seismic Toss before her gym which makes it easier in tandem with hypnosis and water typing. After that, you get access to Body Slam and Bubblebeam. Surge is super rough here, not sure what the exact gameplan would be outside of hypnosis luck. But, once you get past him you can skip Erika until you get blizzard/psychic or enough levels and move on to other trainers. Amnesia at 41 is huge and will allow this pokemon to pick up speed and sweep through the game near the mid-to-late game portions. My prediction is that it might outperform Haunter based on this mid and late game boost where Haunter's champion battle among other inconsistencies (overreliance on hypnosis over a boosting move and meh coverage for ingame RBY) holds it back. Another pokemon to consider is Weepinbell. I was actually debating whether to put Ivysaur here instead or not. A race between the two would be really interesting! But I think my edge goes to Weepinbell. It just gets a ton of options early, even if it learns Razor Leaf super late. Vine Whip + Growth + Wrap at level 1 plus Sleep powder not far on the horizon give it a lot to work with early game. It has a ton of opportunities to just break through opponents it might even have a disadvantage against with this combination of moves which is an impressive quality. With a similar growth rate to Victreebel, it's bound to get access to Razor Leaf before long, though it has a very rough mid-to-late game to work with considering it doesn't have the same amount of power by any means at a paltry 85 Special and 55 speed. It' defense is 50 and HP is 65 which is slightly fragile too. It also loses access to Body slam, which Ivysaur gets. It should be kept in mind however that Bellsprout is above Poliwag, which might be a good indicator that if I think Poliwhirl will do good, there's no reason why Weepinbell shouldn't either. I don't really have an argument as to why it might be better than Haunter, other than Victreebel's results and Grass/Poison being one of the better types for Kanto. It could surprise us, but I wouldn't be surprised if a mon like Ivysaur was better considering it gets Razor Leaf 8 levels earlier and Body Slam to pair with SD. Anyways thanks for the prompt lmao

So glad you are getting sponsors! Your videos help me relax at night, so a sleep sponsor is very fitting. Ps: I also have an orange cat. So lovely little goofballs

Personally I think if they learn double team or Minimize through level up it should be allowed to be kept. It’s part of their natural move set

i have never, ever felt more targeted by an ad spot than when i started playing this video, locked my phone, prepared my ADHD meds for tomorrow morning, turned off my light, and put on my sleep mask to go to bed...

I used to be amazed when my cousin could start and get 4 badges before bedtime on a school night back in 98. Seeing these games beat now and especially the glitch runs is just insane how much value these games have provided over the years.

Looks like the main reason the Haunter like are Poison types is because Ghost-type was an extremely last minute decision on the part of the designers (Dragon and Bug were also probably late decisions). As a result, I’m almost positive that for most of development, Gastly, Haunter and Gengar were pure Poison-type (they are gas clouds after all) and they left the typing on the family probably because that’s what they were playtested as and they didn’t want to accidentally break some battle’s balance by completely changing their weaknesses. Hope that helps!

The reason I'm enjoying your vids more and more is you actually use stats to back everything up, and show it too. It's not a "well I did better because I said so"

Haunter’s design is so cool and unique. I’m happy about its performance today :)

Surprised that Psychic and Mega Drain didn't get the one-hits off of Giovanni. But the guard spec sponsor saved the day 😏

Gotta love Haunter's sea urchin backsprite lol. I was well-acquainted with it as a child, as I had no friends for trading.

Hi Scott! Ever considered a "true solo run"? i.e. no other Pokemon caught at all, no other party members, the starter is the only Pokemon from start to finish and has to use any needed HMs or wanted field moves itself. I feel it would make an interesting decision making process, choosing between dedicating a move slot to Fly or leaving it open for another move at the cost of travel time and convenience. Generation I ends up being a particularly interesting time for it due to the lack of move deleters, but also only 3 HMs being needed to complete the game. Candidates for the challenge are: >Mew (the only one that can learn Fly, since I forgot Dragonite can't learn Cut - oops) >Krabby >Kingler >Lickitung I thought Dragonite would be able to as well, but I was thinking of Hoenn where Cut is optional. Unfortunate that none of the other three gain access to any of Dig, Teleport or Softboiled like Mew does. Thank you for your time! ( And sorry if I've already mentioned this before and forgot that I'd brought it up already. :x )

My favorite line of pokemon. I've been waiting for this playthrough since you started your channel! I think this thing is about to destroy this game!!! I'm so happy to see this playthrough!! I'm rooting for it to hit S tier. I think it can do it!!!

i personally like the old double team rule but its your show and im just here to watch

Scott and Hypnosis: name a more iconic duo!

Haunter was always my favorite Pokemon. His design and floating hands are so cool.

Hey Scott, Fellow Pokemon lover and ADHD haver here! an hour or 2 before bed, have a couple of vitamin c chewables and a bunch of water. Vitamin C makes you metabolize your ADHD meds faster (which is bad during the day but great before bed) Give it a try~ Also great video, obvs Keep up the great work!

I am predicting that haunter is going to do pretty much as well as gengar, obviously placing a little lower.

That sponsorship was genius!!!! That is hilarious

To this day, even after over two decades, I am *STILL* confounded over how there are only 3 Ghost types in Gen 1 that are supposed to be Super Effective against Psychics...only for the Ghost moves to not work as intended and the Ghosts themselves to be WEAK to Psychic moves because of their Poison typing. XD I'm currently at the point of the video in Mt. Moon where you're talking about the Poison type being plastered on the Ghosts. That's...actually an interesting theory. I never thought of that! As always, enjoying these runs, dude!

I think the middle evolution that can rival this is Weepingbell, just because it's final evolution is the only one that beat Gengar.

OK, I juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuust finished the video. Here are my thoughts: I'm glad you talked about the issue of PP management early on. Whenever I play Gen 1, I like to use the Trainer Fly/Mew Glitch to get certain Pokémon earlier than I should. Mew and Staryu are the obvious ones, of course, but during my last few playthroughs - Red, Green (fan "translated" by using the Pokémon Blue script similarly to how fans "translated" Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep: Final Mix in English on PSP before it was officially translated and released on PS3/4) and Blue - I've also went out of my way to nab Gengar as well. Its PP problems are exactly the same as Haunter's until you reach the S.S. Anne and nab Body Slam. It's still not perfect since its Attack is still much weaker than its Special, but at least it's not the same three moves that have low PP and only do much utility. The only reason it wasn't as bad in my case was because I could use the same glitch to encounter Missingno to get essentially close to infinite TM's such as Thunderbolt and Psychic. Oh, and the Rare Candies. And the Master Ball(s). And the Full Restores. I love how this community just keeps helping each other out! Seeing everyone's input on the Champion battle is really neat and further cements what I've been saying since those batch of videos discussing the Porygon race: you and your team have carved an incredible niche that has brought so many people together. Whether it's people like me who mostly comment on these videos as we have since the early days; to others in the community who have been influenced by your videos and are starting their own runs; to those that were doing them around or maybe before you like Gym Leader Matt, VanMan, Speedrunner, Andrew Davis, Ike the Killer and many, *MANY* others I have left to list. You and your team have been doing incredible work and it's heartening to see you all grow and continue to grow over the years. Anyways, another excellent run as always, Scott and Team! Naturally, it's no surprise it made it to the S-Tier after some small optimizations.

That sponsorship hits given I am watching this because insomnia has nope, no sleep for you.

Haunter did exceptionally well in Red/Blue, at least in my own solo run with it. Haunter achieved a final game time of 3:01, my currently 4th fastest run

That first-run initial attempt champion battle was wild, casually hitting six hypnosis in a row. 60% -> 36% -> 20% -> 12% -> 6.5% -> 3.5%

Ah finally, my favorite pokemon of all gens. Based on your thorough gameplay i feel you did my Haunter the best way possible and i truly thank you for that. I know its just the middle child of the line so to speak, but ever since i first saw its sprite in red (favorite sprite too lol but yellows sprite is a close 2nd) and then the Sabrina episode in the anime i absolutely fell in love with the goofy mischievous ghost and my opinion hasnt changed once. It is regrettable that the moveset for the entire line is 😑 at best, especially with lick being the only STAB move it can have as a ghost along with the blundered immunity psychic types have in gen 1. But with its performance here i can say at least it has some decently viable choices from the TMs it has access to. I cant wait for your eventual test of Haunter in crystal and other gens but i know that'll be a ways down the road and im content to wait for those days to come in the next year or 2. I will predict that youll have a similar result like this when comparing to Gengar in those playthrus, potentially same tier but a few spots behind due to same moves, routes, and battles just with lower stats causing that little bit of extra time. Thanks again for playing my Haunter so well and giving it the chance to shine. Excellent video quality, game play, inlay was awesome, and commentary on point as usual my friend. Keep up the great pokemon data collection, gotta rank them all!!! Later lol

A pretty good strategy that I use when I play through with the gastly line was using confusion and bide together. Whenever bide is initiated It calculates all the damage done by the opposition. Whether that damage is done to itself or you is irrelevant. So if the opposition hurts itself it's added to the bide calculator

Honestly if i knew ghastly and haunted were as viable as they were i would have used them more in playthroughs growing up but i thought they wouldn't be very good if i couldnt evolve them

For the sleep thing, I would suggest trazodone. I have a similar issue and it works great to get my mind relaxed for sleep. It is an over the counter prescription though.

Hunter is really good as a mid stage evolution, mostly because of its growth rate ,and great access to great moves. The only thing that can stop it is hypnosis luck 😂😂. But I guess that if hypnosis was 100% accurate then the Gastly and the Drowzee lines could have been really broken .🤔 The slash strat with the champion was really brilliant. It nice to always learn more about the games that we love.😊

41:24 "That gives me two more levels against the rival in Silph, which is always nice" "Always," he says, when Haunter is at 70 HP.

29:12 due to a programming quirk / shortcut, lick cannot paralyze ghost types! This is because gamefreak programmed types to be immune from secondary effects of moves that match their type. I believe the intent was for this to be "oh fire types shouldn't be burned, electric types paralyzed, ice types frozen" but due to the way it was programmed it extends to immunities that don't make sense, like all normal types being immune be paralysis from body slam!

Spiritomb getting poisoned is kinda like "He's already dead!!"

Rhyhorn, being a rhino, could Body Slam by digging its horn underneath (or through...) an opponent and flinging them up into the air.

@14:32 I love how you so confidently say that you have resolved your pp problems. Maybe saying "power points" could have been a better option here haha.

Awesome, time for my favourite pokemon! Loved haunter since I was a child without a link cable 😅

Haunter is my personal favourite Pokémon.

I want to thank guard spec for sponsoring us at team rocket

8:00 I believe the primary reason they gave the Ghost (Gastly) line the poison type was so that it would have a weakness (i.e. Ground and Psychic). A mono-Ghost type in Gen 1 would only be weak to Ghost moves (i.e Lick). …I just wish they had the same thought process for mono-Psychics. 😭

June 19 is my sons bday 🎉🎉🎉definitely happy you dropped this

I believed Scott had been cured by now, but I don't think I've ever seen a rebound this strong. Don't do sleeping drugs kids. Edit. Oh lord, I just remembered the sponsor of the video. Now I know what happened.

Ah yes! The best designed ghost type pokemon! FIGHT ME!

1:15 IKR, most ADHD medicines are stimulants, so I get you. 2:36 ROFLMAO. 2:54 Still better than Onix lol. 3:29 Don't quite think so. Gastly to Haunter is proportionally a bigger step up than Haunter to Gengar, so it'll be closer to Gengar than Gastly (called it but the strategy was also better).

Was actually kinda waiting for this one. I didn’t have a computer or anything when I got yellow so I didn’t know haunter was a trade evolution. I soloed haunter and naturally leveled it to 99 but at some point I taught it explosion and that made the elite four very difficult. I really didn’t have any idea how anything worked unless it was in game so naturally I spent an excessive time with hauter.

I’m pretty simple. I see Scott upload and I click

Great run! As for which other middle-stage pokemon could potentially match (or beat) Haunter, my best guess would be either Poliwhirl or Weepinbell

Scott: "Which middle stage could compete with haunter?" I'm thinking nidorino, kadabra, maybe weepinbell? Probably not machoke or graveler, but I'm always rooting for my rocky baby boy

Gengar might be able to learn body slam because of the fact that it's a trade evolution. Just like Golem gets the lizard face from Machoke and Machamp gets a set of arms from Graveler, maybe Gengar is able to materialize thanks to stealing Kadabra's tail or something xD

the statistics between the 2 playthroughs where really cool!

The promo code unfortunately did not work with the UK/EU version of the website, but thank you for promoting this! As someone who feels happier and healthier sleeping all day and staying up all night, for decades I've relied on these flimsy sleep masks that my dad got from airplanes when he was constantly travelling for work, simply because there was no other place I could get anything like them. This seems like exactly what I need in my life so I ordered one to try it out. I hope that this sale still gets credited to you and that you get the appropriate kickback.

Wobbuffetfact: Wobbuffets sprite looks quite depressed in silver, wich is the only game it does. Making silver objectively worse then Gold

For some reason coffee helps me relax for sleep.

Gengar in French is actually called Ectoplasma 😂 and Body Slam works like the opponent slamming their body against the Pokémon, kinda like wrestlers drop themselves, I think Gengar has the ability to materialize itself, that's why it can learn it, also there is a Pokedex entry that says Gengar was once human, so maybe that, and there is also the Clefable x Gengar theory 😅

I think the reason Gengar can learn Body Slam but Haunter cannot is Gengar is significantly heavier and body slam gives me the vibes of using your weight to slam into the enemy

that rival fight had me on edge!

Im really looking forward to more Community Run Comparisons in this vid. Its a fab idea!

Golem was always a mystery to me because it was so hard to get cause I had no friends to trade with. I think it'll be interesting to see how that one does. The coverage of moves isnt great but it'll be interesting none the less! :)

In terms of good middle evos, Poliwhirl and Ivysaur come to mind.

Haunter in Pokémon brown n grape are ghost and gas types Koffing is poison gas Gas IS GREAT OFFENSIVE but horrible defensely It hits water, light, grass, bug n fairy super effective Light fairy n water are busted types in those games especially light n water Ironically its weak to water, electric, flying, wind n electric AND YEA they reversed bug n fairy where bug nukes fairy n fairy is not effective vs bug But they buffed poison by it hitting bug super effective

As far as who can compete with Haunter I’d have to think either Poliwhirl or Weepinbell

It feels silly for the developers to add the poison typing to the ghosts just to avoid poison when they could have easily just added that property to the ghost type. However it’s possible with the amount of crunch both time-wise, and to hit the whole game on an 8mb cartridge.

I can’t wait to see kadabra.. only middle stage that might dethrone haunter

I think the factor behind Bodyslam is mass. Maybe Gengar is espiacially dense

Poliwhirl definitely for good mid stage maybe Weepinbell, Ivysaur, and Wartotle could have good times because of boosting moves.

Imagine buffing Giovanni's team and turning them all into absolute units with Earthquake, Thunder, Rock Slide etc, but not taking his Guard Specs away.

Poliwhirl is gonna blow most of A tier out of the water; as long as you skip surge until later lol

My man got a sponsor, hell yeah brother

Scott's playstyle: Hypnosis spam and miss 5 turns, or 2 turns of Psychic/Thunderbolt for a KO? nup, Hypnosis is the only answer, gotta spam it literally the "sunk cost fallacy" in action

Hi speed, special, and level rate, it's getting A tier at the very least.

Who could compete with Haunter? Obvious answer is Kadabra. Alakazam and Gengar feel linked in Pokemon as they are both insanely strong special attackers, are trade evolutions, and their typings are strong against one another. Only natural that Kadabra would be the only rival to Haunter.

I see you haven't done Electabuzz yet. Can't wait to see it vs Magmar!

Nice video. I think haunter was creeper with 4 fingers.

@29:30 As far as I understand, the ghost type move lick should not be able to apply paralysis to a ghost type pokemon

You know scott as you get older pp problems become more common

Mid-stage hype! I'm really excited for once we get to Poliwhirl...

MewOnePointFive, the middle evolution between Mew and Mewtwo, could definitely beat Haunter.

Nice checking the status reduction on opponent PKM. On point!

I used a haunted in fire red . It was so good . I was bummed that I couldn’t trade for gengar . But damn haunted was so good

Obligatory complaint about Hypnosis! Just kidding, it was essential for several key battles. Quite similar to Gengar, just slightly worse, which still makes it really good overall! Pretty sure Gastly can get sub-50 with a few attempts.

Man..one day, one of giovannis pokemon will faint due to a guard spec. Overdose

For middle evolutions, I don't see any of them beating Haunter, but the closest contenders are probably Poliwhirl and Weepinbell. Gloom ain't it and Kadabra would've had a shot if this were Red and Blue, but Yellow knocks confusion off its default moveset for some reason so it's struggling until level 16.

Giovanni sponsored by guard spec. Tombstoner brother!

Haunter starts with seismic toss ... It's called night shade on his list.

I'd like to see some art of geovanni wearing all guard spec branded gear

Gengar has arms. Pokémon like rhyhorn would throw opponents up by the horn then guide it down with the horn, slamming them in the process. I have always wondered about that move with Pokémon like pikachu. How can it pick up an onyx? It doesn’t. It uses a wrestling move called a “cutter” where pikachu in this instance would jump up and grab only the head and/or neck and bring them down head first like that. Gotta use physics/ pro wrestling and get creative lol.

Weepinbell is likely going to outperform haunter. Especially since I believe it gets access to growth which is an excellent stat boosting move.

i will be sitting here cleaning my room until this starts. let's goooooo

I've always liked Haunter more than Gengar. Just looks cooler and more unique IMO.

Body slam makes way more sense on Gengar than Haunter, Haunter is 0.1kg while Gengar is 40.5kg