Give me CRED

10:35 This is definitely an exaggeration. As we pointed out years ago, WillE had not logged on the correct realm group for the given region (i.e. Whitemane for US, etc.). The realms were rural, of course, but they were still multiple guilds raiding all tiers, including sub-2 hour Naxx runs. Showing an empty city has never been truthful to the state of Era. There was always gonna be a small group of players who didn't want to move on to TBC.

If it wasn't for ai automating code I'd be all for learning it

Agree wholeheartedly. It's so refreshing meeting people in questing zones and just playing the game with them, chatting, gathering a fungeon group together. It's so much better than what happens in retail or even cataclysm onwards. Don't get me wrong, cataclysm pvp is probably the best there is, but still not the same leveling experience at all

Agreed. They don't even have to push to 70. They could keep level cap the same or they could even just make the level cap 61 and add Kara and some quests

No lol

Their are great private servers that keep the level cap but add new dungeons and raids in the spirit of original WoW using the unfinished areas like Karazhan

@@mikeclarke3990 private servers suck and are not reliable. Admins will steal your money too.

does that line up with Activision taking over?

Which happened towards the latter portion of WotLK. Disagreement = you are a tourist, enjoy.

@@ahoyforsenchou7288 Yeah the wow community is garbage. Literally the worst of any game

@@ahoyforsenchou7288 no u

you are completely right. The people the complain about retail are the same people who made retail what it is today.

The meta-gaming ruined it for me. Same with SOD. It feels like a job now and not something that can be enjoyed.

hahaha I remember bringing a laptop with WoW to Iraq and being able to get on just long enough to tell my guild there was no damn way I was going to be able to play.

I was playing wotlk when i was living and working in the middle east as a 20 y.o. (but not as a soldier) - we kinda have shared mems in a weird way!

Very interesting, Cata was actually my first expansion after I got out of the military as a 25 year old, and had the same wow experience on a laptop overseas, though I imagine the internet was just as bad and made raiding impossible for me!

Come to grobbulus, it’s everything I ever dreamed. Came by accident after dying on hardcore and I’ll never look back. Nicest most helpful people I’ve ever met, even more so than hardcore

I'd say the Classic community went to crap in Wrath Classic. I had such good experiences in 2019-2022. Now it's all parsing, gatekeeping, GDKP, botting, cheating, etc.

Yeah... its more like a new era-parsing season instead of true discovery.

best most astute comment here couldnt of said it better, church, GONE BY LEVEL 40

I still don't even understand what season of Discovery is. It's classic wow But they added new things? What Even is the point then?

@@bmo14lax yeah well... Some runes, just to improve your class... some pvp events and they changed some dungeons to raids. Wow. Oh and i forgot that ppl milking the shit out of it. Try to find groups that dont require all possible WBs and Cons, oh and i forgot. X/x Boss experience. So basically a season to gatekeep the casuals

@@Domaister420 whats next? Every expansion will have a new "theme" to it? Endless random changes to old content instead of just more retail content? Mangggg

same

Kind of wish there'd been a version of TBC with Dungeon Finder; that would have eliminated the reason for dropping the attunement requirements from Revered to Honored entirely. :P

For a few months. TBC was fun while it lasted but let’s be honest, the (sun)well is dry

Hell yeah, would love tbc fresh servers

​@@brandonkruse6412sunwell was the most fun ive had in a raid ever.

@Quick-Silver206 it needs to be classic with changes or else the playerbase will split between the progression servers

@@Arcexey classic has shared servers. Progression servers are separate.

@@Quick-Silver206 I'm saying there's too many versions of wow right now for classic to be truly viable.

Activision hates it’s customers.

@@glentor3Blizzard is owned by Microsoft by now.

Cause the classic player base didn't like it

Man, nostalrious, lightshope and all the other Vanilla pservers before, wotlk was Not the Most popular with only warmane

​@@Sly_404Microsoft didn't make the decision though.

STILL angry there's no era servers for tbc. I'd have never even gone to wotlk, I'd still be on tbc.

10 hours

@@Mrgearzz 4 hours is all it took me (but that was after it was refined).

@@chrismcaulay7805 ok you win the smallest cock competition well done x

no, Cata was when player count was at an all time high

@mattom1796 end of WOTLK = 12.5M end of Cata = 7.5M Is a 2 min google search that hard for you?

Yea I mean except for the fact they've changed a bunch of stuff in concurrence with SOD release (Pvp ranking mechanisms are unrecognizable).

@@zipzzo yeah it’s going to be a shock I’m sure. I’ll try and keep an open mind 😅

Need sod 2 with how much they messing the economy up.

@@randomshouse266 My gamer, the economy isn't ruined. Though I suspect your inability to view anything in other than the most extreme way may have ruined yourself.

No way. Let them do a couple seasons to keep cooking

Nah after the fiasco of yesterday its obvious this will just be a seasonal thing and they will try do another version of classic in 2 or 3 years.

Nah, at this point I just want classic to make it to Legion again so I can actually enjoy it this time.

Pve are largely the same. Both are caused by the players.

Your best bet is grobb if you want true wpvp

@@dontreplytome5665 im eu pleb :(

@@Jaricko blizzard sure don't help, they should do what they have done with classic era servers imo.

Could they "buff" the less played faction as an example? Let's say that on "X" realm which is currently dominated by the Horde, players will receive a buff for playing in the Alliance instead. Simple but effective? As long as it doesn't become anything unfair that breaks the balance. Just wondering here.

I wish there was TBC era servers.

@yourdreams2440 I played a few months of vanilla and then all of TBC, and looking back TBC was seriously flawed. Flying mounts, arena, heroic badges, vehicle/pick up quests, daily quests, heroic difficulty helped ruin wow and TBC started all those. TBC is in my heart forever but it really was the beginning of the end, I used to think Cata was, then Wotlk, now I see TBC did harm.

TBC was boring quit that shit so fast

You do know that logs existed even back in tbc?

Not true at all, you could get in pretty much ANY guild on Classic without having all orange/pink parses, the only exceptions were maybe the top 20 guilds or so. I feel like the people that constantly complain about this are literal grey parsers who expect to show up to raid and not press any buttons or something. If you simply played the game like a normal person without any sort of tryharding and sweating, you were guaranteed an 80+ and access to like 98% of all guilds, all that was required was just pulling your own weight, nothing more. And that really only became a thing during BWL, pre launch and phase 1 MC literally nobody cared about parses whatsoever.

​@@i.m.3940 if everyone got on and pressed thier buttons those 80+ parses would turn to a 50... you do realize that right? 🧐 since your score is based on how well you do against others of the same class and role

@@noble61483 Since you want to go into the "what if" territory, if everyone got on and pressed their buttons, guilds would be clearing all the content with ease and people wouldn't care about parses nearly as much, if at all. Its crazy the lengths people will go to just to make excuses for and justify their obvious lack of care for their performance. I get it, some people just don't like parses and thats fine, I'm not the biggest fan of them either but saying you need all oranges or pinks just to get into a raid/guild is simply lying and has never been the case in Classic except for some very few extreme examples.

Further proof wow players ruined the game and not blizzard.

Didnt most people stop playing in TBC though?

​@@MikeyPaperthat was in the later half of wrath and in cata TBC popped off

Then this is not tbc anymore lmao

I'd love for SoD to make it through BC and Wrath, then start from the beginning again (and they can change shit around each time they restart the cycle... Maybe different raid for each phase during the second cycle)

this mindset is 100% part of the problem. this whole "oh just give me X buuuuuuuut maaaaaybe add Y to spice things up a little". no, just no. you don't want the original thing to begin with. where you draw the line when it comes to which changes are acceptable and which ones aren't is absolutely arbitrary. while you might find it negligible that druids are getting windfury, someone else might not see it that way and wants #nochanges tbc instead. or maybe someone wants vulpera to be playable in tbc or have garrisons added to the game which YOU might not agree with. so who gets to say what's still acceptable and what isn't? everyone has vastly different visions for the game that it's impossible to find a common denominator for everyone, except for one instance: no changes. no changes is truly the most neutral solution that should satisfy most people equally, after all, if you hate the base game in the first place, might as well play something completely different like dragonflight.

my thoughts exactly!!

Absolutely. This phase has been out WAY too long and the Cata beta is still a complete mess. The hardcore players are still around but the more casual players are dropping like flies.

​@@vulture27fm Why in gods name would anybody who casually plays a game pick world of warcraft for their game of choice? I think i would rather put my dck in a pencil sharpener than play world of warcraft after work.

Could be the same for classic era with how long everyone has had to get 60 / gear up. Its just a gauge of player interest in the scene really

I'm all for that except when i start think of non combat things like auction addons. The default Auction menu is awful.

@@brettprickett4146 well I did say third party add-ons. so they could add some minor quality of life improvements to the base game itself or come out with official blizzard approved add-ons even.

Haha, you'd play alone there

The latest update is INSANE the emerald thing is just plain bonkers.

oh noooooo, who cares as long it get closer to a good retail expansion like mop or legion?

correct. They removed or replaced most of the classic content already. The questing, the itemization, a lot of the dungeons.

I like the direction theyre taking. Its new but still classic. Quit whining you stupid doomer.

Wtf when the last time you played retail. 😂. So me be in a guild and talking to people on discord out of raid yeah trust me that has not happen to Me in years in retail

Yeah I agree. I didn't realize it back then but it's super obvious to me now. WRATH was the changing expac not Cata. TBC was literally vanilla+ in a new continent. Wrath completely changed the style of the game, Cata was Wrath+

Yeah I agree except for MoP/WoD, I think MoP/Cata/Wrath could all be lumped together. WoD feels like the starting point of modern WoW, at least to me.

Agree with this take

@@WingTzu343 TBC and Wrath are more similar than Vanilla and TBC are similar.

Sort of, the big change in WotLK was basically difficulty. In phase 1, everything was made face roll easy (quest mobs were 2 shots, elites were soloable, HC dungeons a joke and Naxx super easy too, rep grinds were much faster, etc.). But at its core, WotLK still had all of the mechanics of original WoW in the way the quests are made, the talent trees, the mechanics, the progression of the game, the professions, etc. The only other notable change, which really wasn't "classic" was the threat generation of tanks becoming a non issue. But overall, it was more of a tuning issue than an actual shift in WoW all together. Whereas for Cataclysm, the issue was significantly more linked to core mechanics (portals everywhere, LFD from the start of the xpac, LFR, flying during questing content, talent trees, smaller dungeons/raids, even more focus on "esport" content, etc.). Personally, I would love to one day just have a TLK server, but with all of the mobs (in and outside of instances) highly buffed. Make the kill time of an average quest mob the same as in TBC and maybe reign in a tiny bit the classes. With this, I feel like TLK could be the best WoW version because it just had such an immersive world, technically a lot of content (with TBC level difficulty) and lots of nice small additions (achievments, more collectable, more quest diversity, best lore, lots of fun seasonal events that have you do stuff, etc.)

Can you explain? In More detail?

why is this a problem? Anyone who wants slow and methodical leveling can go to era/hardcore, SoD is for people who want to play with shiny new toys in a familiar environment rather than replaying old memories once again.

"Making 50g in one day" I was making that in 45 mins lol.

@@RichSmithson Legit. I did two rounds of quests with some guildies and made around 120g.

@@randomrandom7208 yep. i really enjoy a raid looking finally a bit difficult. gnomer and bfd were boring af and i stopped early in both phases. Healing those fights in farm with cutting healers is gonna be hella fun

Yeah it’s gone a bit mad tbh

Take it easy

This

What a bad take, it did very little. If anything SoD killed wrath overnight.

Completely agree

The same way it fucked up retail, i highly doubt retails economy will ever recover

i actually loved the wow token, it gave me the chance to dump my gold and play the game for free for the next two years

If you want the abilities, why don't you play retail ?

​@lucaschebance3135 you didn't read his whole comment you rube

Cause retails content is a completely different game?​@@lucaschebance3135

Turtle/Epoch and my personal favorite: WALLCRAFT

@@lucaschebance3135 Because retail are either completely casual or extremely competitive, with very little in between? And retail doesn't just add abilities, it fundamentally changes classes.

This!!! Dont know why they just put a fresh server out...just one wouldnt take much work tbh

@@thomaskoltiska6825 crowned, like royalty? ;p

I just wrote this.. I thought i was smart! xD It's good stuff! :D

Maybe make like an "Eternal" realm for excisting chars, that way - they dont just get deleted.

I agree, reset the servers every two years and put everyone on an even slate again. Finding a group for anything is impossible between the boosting meta and the fact that everyone is maxxed and wearing raid gear.

The 1-25 levelling experience was really cool I think.

Sod is not classic. It’s a meme twitch hype mode. Huge cope player base. Adding abilities from established expansions because vanilla classes are trash

@@hockeyplaya1155 The classes needed some work but Vanilla WoW is a much better game than the modern versions where classes are even more of a mess.

5d chess it’s their move to combat private servers, and it’s working. they are generally ghost towns and cata pservers are up next. Imo the true dream is all of these servers hosted by blizzard will have sizable populations

yes that's true, the community is cleaved => servers are dead

Would be good to have 1 server for each version of the game. Rotate "fresh" launch every few years then dump them into the ERA version of that server.

@@Medio2507 you mean those guys that were abusing female workers that got found out couple years ago and got removed from blizzard team? alot of the old blizzard are old and out of touch with current gaming market, everyone has a shelf like

​@@thelegendarydeikay3071I'd buy a game they made in a heartbeat. They were the ones that made blizzard's golden games that are still loved today, not whatever is in control now that tries to "reforge" old stuff for a quick cash grab

SoD is significantly less of a timesink than nochanges vanilla. I'd say it's around the same as TBC. Yeah you still need to earn gold, you need to farm some things, but the raids are easy, you don't need much gear, prebis isn't needed at all... it becomes as much of a timesink as you want it to be really. Personally I just play 2-3 times per week and outside of that I play other games.

​@@astralfieldsTBC rep grinds way more of a time sink than SoD

Isn’t TBC more of a grind than Vanilla?

Getting rep with warsong and arathi is way easier

Why have such a comment without trying? You’ve made assumptions on what SOD is without even playing it. That’s a weird take and it’s casual friendly.

Id be stoked if they did a SoD tbc

​@@Coriore445Why everyone want Sod tbc they just add spells from retail. Sod tbc will be the same awful like Classic Sod. Just add some content maybe 2+3 new spells from trainer class , no fck runes. In Sod world is complety fucked with new spells they too much powerful. Pvp never looks that bad. New raids is only good thing in Sod.

@newworld5846 2019 is retail bro. everything after vanilla/tbc is wow 2.0

The Tier set bonuses in DS tend to be giga powerful, it makes me want to play the raid just to see how they end up being

I have always maintained Cata got a lot of flak for blizzards flip flopping on their dungeon difficulty and the fact the raid content was stretched too thin. As I understand it the revamp took a lot of time and resources but in my opinion was a needed change at the time. I actually enjoy some of the revamped zones storylines even to this day. As someone who never really got serious about the story Cataclysm was the first expansion that the threat of danger was real. I think the content drought between Firelands and Dragon Soul and then Dragon Soul to MoP was what really left a bad taste in a lot of peoples' mouths. I stopped playing about 3-4 months into TBC classic because my real life friends quit. I came back at Wrath launch and level a DK to 70 or so and leveld my Warlock to 70 I think but then ended up quitting again. I could see myself, at the very least, hitting max level on my characters in Cata. It wasn't my favorite expansion but it certainly isn't anywhere close to the worst, to each their own I say

I dont know man. Taste can change. I was a arthas widodw ( started wow in tbc prepatch). 2019 showed me a better game. And in wrath classic i got to level 76 before i quit.

@@fakemanky6838 Sure, but you would be a very small minority compared to the huge majority of Arthas widows.

@josedavidmunozmartinez4722 Wrath is wow 2.0 just like cataclysm. it's an entirely different game from classic, a bad one. I loved wrath but looking back it was fun because it was addicting in the way a gambling machine is, or a cheap mobile game.

Even TBC felt so much different than classic because of flying and being only in Outland.

@@drizzho I loved TBC and thought it was a perfect expansion to vanilla. and now I see TBC was really part of the problem, flying mounts were just a terrible idea looking back. Having the expansion be some other new area disconnected from the original was also a terrible idea. sigh. Also daily quests, badges of honor/multiple currencies, easy-ish epics, and ARENA. pvp should've had more of an emphasis on open world, not less.

Levels should literally take 4 times as much time. Fast levels ruins character progression, RPG feel, and satisfaction. Now leveling is a boring, spam this incursion chore.

Nightmare event destory whole wow classic sod!!!

​@@rolfgautier5540oh sure, because it being 4 times as long would definitely make it not a chore anymore. be honest with yourselves, would you really wanna spend 400 hours leveling and gearing characters in a SEASONAL game mode? I'll admit that incursions are boring (and are now nerfed), but realistically, is it any worse than spamming ZF and Mara for hours on end(and at least THOSE give wild offerings now.)

I think what i love about complaints like this is that no one is forcing you to do incursions. I still see lots of ppl trying to do ZF and mars and even uldaman

@@Kensber85 You don't seem to get the point that there is LITERALLY almost nobody leveling in the open world. It has killed open world leveling. Believe it or not there are alternatives to dungeon grinding.

Yeah SW only became the city to be because IF cannot get Dragonslayer and wbuffs were exponentially more popular in Classic than original vanilla (for obvious reasons)

Get into lifting and some "cardio" modality or sport, definitely a better use of time if you aren't doing so, hut videogames can fit into your rest/recovery time

Change the 10% and 20% and we are at the same page. Its actually hilarious to see how many people hate Cata just because they heard it and not because they played it

I'm playing through the beta test and personally, it does not hit like TBC or even Wrath did. It feels bizarre flying through the old world. Everything is far too fast. Just my personal tastes.

So the only valid opinion is coincidentally the one you have, interesting!

Oops sorry, I decided to use the same logic than the "Since I don't like it, nobody else likes it" kind of people :)... Something you RARELY see on Arthas widows.

@BIGOFFANnot wild at all? The guy said the only valid reason was valid BECAUSE he agrees with it. Kinda obvious

you do already have to manage mana in wotlk but yes it does get much more exciting in cata

@@noobarium as a holy pala in a good guild with fast kill times im just spamming holy light lol, no care about mana

give turtle wow a whirl if you haven't - its pretty cool!

@@LittleJohnaton Yeah im about to swap back to turltle. It feels way better than SOD. That's the true classic + experience.

Sod is not classic. It’s a meme twitch hype mode. Huge cope player base. Adding abilities from established expansions because vanilla classes are trash

Many people saw the writing on the wall with SoD before it even came out and were ringing the warning bells but noone wanted to listen. Fast forward to the end of SoD and everyone will be complaining about it.

Yeah, it's not "Classic" it's the Middle Age, maybe just call it "mid" lol

why is SoD getting ridiculous? just curious

@@alex-suciu When all the classic quests and zones become irrelevant and obsolete because youve funneled everyone into some cheap half baked content that looks like it was made by some kids that is located in a few small areas of the game world that let you bypass the whole leveling process so you can rush to max lvl in less than a day while making insane amounts of gold.... ya that is ridiculous. Objectively bad game design.

Cata classic can't go wrong. Another thing is that classic cata is aimed at more skilled players, and there are always fewer of them, but thanks to thoughtful adaptation in game mechanics, serious problems cannot arise in classic cata.

@@kuyt3400There are no objective value judgments, you pleb. Objectively bad = Objectively subjective

Yeah a few QoL fixes and TBC would be great.

So modern lfr

This is what nobody is going to understand until it’s too late. People don’t want knuckle-scrapingly difficult encounters with 0.3s reaction times, wipe mechanics, knockbacks, mechanics, etc They want something thematic, satisfying, and fun. This is why nobody raids on retail. I say this as a 95 parsing uhdk clearing heroic LK

@@OrchinX95 parsing in wrath us nothing and many people raid in retail, no idea where this tinfoil hat theory comes from

skill issue

@@OrchinX interesting that you play wotlk and yet dare to make a statement about retail lol.

This is only work when everyone start fresh . Wotlk have fresh and everyone migrating to firemaw gehennas.

Honestly i like the incursions and getting lvl 50 in. A day

@@timhenrich5698I don’t. It’s tedious and boring after 2 runs in a group. You learn how it is, and that’s when you have learned how retail’esque it is. Also, the huge gold boost from it will now inflate our economy to ridicolous levels, just like era servers have. If they wanted to boost xp fast because of sod, then fine, give people time to enjoy classes. But don’t make it with tedious repetetive stuff that is the only way because of speed and gold, because people will go there, even if it sucks.

Haha i remember playing warlock in nighthold on my weak pc, scorpyron i had like 5 fps when all adds spawned :D fun times

@MorrisMH872 it will happen because that's the dream of so many of us. they add new things that doesn't conflict with the old (extremely difficult to do), change a few quality of life things, ban all the bots, ban quest helper mods. the places in the old wow which were cryptic and unfinished, just finish those. =)