Dont you thing that the D major sonata XVI:19 is the "first ever incontestably great moder piano sonata"? Have you listen to Carmen Piazzini's version? I would say that in some respects the D major sonata is more advanced than this one: development section of the first movement and concertant style of the second one.

@@pepehaydn7039 This is the sort of thing that is a good debating point - though actually, there is no ‘correct’ answer; and yes, I do think it’s a great early sonata. Hob. XVI:19 does indeed probably just pre-date Hob. XVI:46, and if I had not suggested the A flat work as the first truly great modern sonata, then your suggestion of the D major is a really good shout. If pushed to explain my personal choice, I think the Adagio movement in the A flat sonata is greater by some distance to the Andante in the D major. Other early sonatas that I have considered as ‘first great…’ are as follows: B flat major Hob. XVI:2 G major Hob. XVI:6 E major Hob. XVI:13 The c minor sonata Hob. XVI:20 (1771) I presume we would agree is the first great minor key sonata; there are some magnificent performances of this work on KZfaq by a range of the world’s greatest pianists both past and present. I will check-out the recording you suggest; at the moment my favourite performance of Hob. XVI:19 is Pogorelich who is sensational.

@@elaineblackhurst1509 I think that Carmen Piazzini complete sonatas by Haydn in modern piano is a very good collection and should be the standard of these works played in modern piano. HOwever, it is really very difficult to find them.

Great! and what do you think of this? kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gtF5fJeLmLaze40.html

My piano teacher, Larry Graham, agrees with your assessment that it is the first great piano sonata. Indeed, so early at 1768. What a gem.

his teacher was a great composer, not a great teacher. a great teacher would be someone like leopold mozart.

How have I never heard…

@@danal81 No need to be pedantic.

@@johntravena119 It’s literally basic English.

@@danal81 Go bother someone who wants to be bothered.

@@johntravena119 Triggered much? Learn to speak properly

I get your point in relation to some of Haydn’s other works, but I have to say that almost every note of this magnificent sonata contradicts almost every word of your first paragraph.

Are you seriously claiming Haydn was less 'intellectually refined' than Mozart? Seriously?

Wut?

yes @@willdurrant7214 While haydn is great, he is also very flawed.

It was custom at that time that each fermata which the composer put out was an invitation to the performer to fill in with a short cadenza by his own. This was a right and a duty of the performer. We know that since Haydns contemporary Clementi wrote learly "senza ornamenti" when he wished that a fermata should NOT be decorated in this way by the performer. Thus we know that using a fermata by improvising a short cadenza was the rule and not doing it was the exception.

it's in D flat major, the moonlit key.

2:52

Ok.

Aber es ist ziemlich gut!

OK boomer.

Hast du wirklich nichts Besseres zu tun als snobistische Kommentare zu hinterlassen?

@@JakobPGrau Er darf keine Meinung äußern? Dafür ist ein Kommentarbereich da: Kommentare.

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