HDO Pads vs SDO Pads - What's the Difference?

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3 жыл бұрын

When polishing with a long or a short stroke orbital polisher, do you know when the HDO or SDO pads are most suitable, and why? Kelly breaks down the differences between the two popular pad types and where they will provide the most efficient paint correction. #HDOPads #SDOPads
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@matthewgibb2640 3 жыл бұрын

We did have 6mm and 19mm pre 2010 but one was part sander part polisher and the other being an accessory to fit onto a grinder or rotary polisher. No one does educational videos as well as you kelly. World class.

@LakeCountryManufacturing 3 жыл бұрын

We appreciate the kind words, definitely share the content and let others know if you got use out of these videos.

@MarkusKleis 3 жыл бұрын

I have the exact same number of subscribers as LCM as of this post - and that isn't right. ANYONE watching this should be subscribing to Lake Country - they are putting out some of the best technical content I have seen.

@LakeCountryManufacturing 3 жыл бұрын

That's really appreciated, thanks! Have you subbed to us?

@MarkusKleis 3 жыл бұрын

@@LakeCountryManufacturing Of course :)

@dini1046 Жыл бұрын

I picked up the Milwaukee 15” as my first DA and I love it.

@detailersgarage Жыл бұрын

Great choice!! That is my go too now. Love that tool. Rupes is great and I used for many years and still do. Love a cordless polisher. PLus the Milwaukee has amazing rotation.

@ranjitrakhra8427 2 жыл бұрын

Cracking video explaining differences between short throw and long throw as well as HDO pads compared with standard

@LakeCountryManufacturing 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Ranjit!

@davenewton1570 3 жыл бұрын

My prefers choice is the Rupes lhr15 seems easier to control ,although for sticker paint the weapon of choice would be an 8mm with a slower speed faster arm moment. Enjoy the videos please keep them coming 👍

@LakeCountryManufacturing 3 жыл бұрын

The ultimate variable is the person! Great thought process.

@tim6991 Жыл бұрын

I have a 12mm and 15mm Flex Polisher. Now I understand the differences in the pads better. I love the results my polishers give but now I can use them to full advantage! Thanks for posting a great video.

@LakeCountryManufacturing Жыл бұрын

You're welcome, be sure to let us know how you get on :)

@deluxevehicledetailingandp904 2 жыл бұрын

Cutting with 5" LC Low Lint Prewash Knitted Lambswool which has 3/8 Foam Interface on the rotary, polishing with 5" HDO Orange on 8 mm forced rotation and getting into the tighter spots with LC 3" Purple Foamed Wool. This combination is killer, on 2 steps and especially hard clears, especially BMW / Mercedes. I'm a big fan of the 5" / 3" Orange Force pads as well, that thickness allows me to use the edge of the pad and reach body lines that are difficult to get the on other shaped pads. Thanks Lake Country your quality of pads are the best on the market. SUBSCRIBED !

@LakeCountryManufacturing 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome, thanks for watching!

@detailersgarage Жыл бұрын

Great video and info. I prefer a 15mm DA over the 21. Love the HDO pads.

@LakeCountryManufacturing Жыл бұрын

A lot of good things happen with a 15mm random orbital polisher, that's for sure. Arguably the 'sweet spot' for modern paint types and defects.

@TKTampa 2 жыл бұрын

Great information as always. My go to is the LHR15 M3. I just using the Duetto for the medium or fine refinement and getting really amazing and interesting results.

@birminghamdetailingshopstu5688 3 жыл бұрын

Just the information I needed. Very good video. Thank you

@LakeCountryManufacturing 3 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

@sccarguy 3 жыл бұрын

15mm is my go to orbit.. I just have a ton of SDO pads but I will be replacing them with the HDO going forward. I actually prefer microfiber over the foam when cutting and swap to foam for final polishing.

@LakeCountryManufacturing 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment! Going from MF to foam is a great way to get efficient, consistent results. Keep it up!

@l0r3nz0rm Жыл бұрын

One of the best pad's . Since many many years.. large stroke for correct the Deepest scratch and low trow for have the best glossy. Anyway my best combos rotary buffer for cut follow by orbital for make the job perfectly done quickly

@LakeCountryManufacturing Жыл бұрын

Massima efficienza!

@Eurogloss 3 жыл бұрын

Kelly, I prefer forced rotation DA Polishers than free spinning DA Polishers just my preference. The two machines I use are Rotary and Gear Driven Forced Rotation DA Polishers!

@kimnewling5728 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for explaining that. I was little confused. I thought HDO was for rotary only. I'm just a intermediate detailer. Learning yet. I've used HDO orange on my 15mm d.a. I liked it.

@LakeCountryManufacturing 2 жыл бұрын

Glad we could help!

@Diggers_Workshop 3 жыл бұрын

Went from CCS pads to HDO pads on my 5" 15mm machine, and they are great. Also bought a set of HDO pads for my 3" 12mm polisher.

@LakeCountryManufacturing 3 жыл бұрын

Good stuff!

@Diggers_Workshop 2 жыл бұрын

@@jodybintang9800 they work very well!

@Rudisk 9 ай бұрын

great video

@PerryShriver Жыл бұрын

great job 👍👍👍👍👍

@LakeCountryManufacturing Жыл бұрын

Thank you 👍

@samspolishinganddetailing8532 2 жыл бұрын

I’m getting on really well with a 15mm throw and hdo pads , my black pads don’t seem to break down at all I’ve only recently replaced some after a good 6 weeks which would be about 30 corrections , I replaced it as it started to go soft but I was amazed by the durability

@LakeCountryManufacturing 2 жыл бұрын

Fantastic, we're glad to hear it :)

@SuperDuncan67 3 жыл бұрын

I’m using the LC Force pads on my Vertool 8mm FD machine.

@LakeCountryManufacturing 3 жыл бұрын

We appreciate your business sir!

@WillyD1 Жыл бұрын

Great I bought 3o sdo ccs pads for my rupes 15 mm that’s just great

@LakeCountryManufacturing Жыл бұрын

Don't throw them away! You can of course use SDO on a 15mm machine - but try switching to HDO next time, and see the difference :)

@DChudy 3 жыл бұрын

I think I am biased, because I am a painter. I used rotary for many years and still do for new paint. 21 for existing paint because I Crave the speed and am not scared of cutting through. I also use wool for 90% of the compounding that I do, foam just to polish.

@LakeCountryManufacturing 3 жыл бұрын

For sure, if its not broken, don't fix it!

@davidweber4591 Жыл бұрын

Great video If I had to choose one it would be the 15 I can almost everything with it if its all I had

@LakeCountryManufacturing Жыл бұрын

Lots of people, including Kelly Harris, would agree :)

@k0czis 3 жыл бұрын

I need one of this pad washer 😊

@LakeCountryManufacturing 3 жыл бұрын

It's a great product, we are super proud of it.

@sccarguy 3 жыл бұрын

I have one of the new ones, works great but I miss the splash guard . I keep spraying crap everywhere when I get in the zone and forget to get far enough ways from what I’m working on.

@BigBear-- 13 күн бұрын

I guess my thing is unless there is some very specific performance reason you want an SDO, the HDO seems to be more versatile, as it can be used on all machines just fine. I'd rather buy a single range of pads that all my machines can use, rather than double the pads to split between them. Though I'm mainly a DIY detailer and not a pro with heavy volume.

@johnmelling9950 Жыл бұрын

Force driven 8mm every time. When i use the long throw polishers i spend more time concentrating trying to keep the pad rotating. I use the HDO pads on the force drive polisher and they work well.

@LakeCountryManufacturing Жыл бұрын

Rotating pads... there's a myth in there that we will be dealing with at some point.

@vanderdetails.detailing. 2 жыл бұрын

21 machine with a 15-inch backing plate is my favorite combo.

@LakeCountryManufacturing 2 жыл бұрын

15 inch backing plate sounds drastic! ;)

@rooboy99 2 жыл бұрын

@@LakeCountryManufacturing lol

@anthonyscuderijr.cluchfc6602 2 жыл бұрын

Question-price aside, I think I would like the stability and consistent polishing/cutting of the HDO pad even on my 8 inch short throw DA. Is there any downside at all to using the HDO version of pads? Thank you!

@LakeCountryManufacturing 2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely no downside at all; from the wording of your question I can tell you have a clear understanding of the product, and I hope you use them to great effect :)

@angrycabbie1 2 жыл бұрын

Can't really answer that. As each throw has a specific purpose. 21mm for extremely large areas or vehicles to cut down speed. 15mm is essentially the go to, being an all around effective cut and finish. And 8 mm is for that precise cut. A particular area. 12mm is for those 3 inch areas that you just need to be efficient on. So if I pack a bag. Its would be my 15mm and 12mm

@paulmcwhirter2466 2 жыл бұрын

I use 21 mm throw vertool because some of the monsters I polish I can’t waste time doing lots of passes so I go light or heavy where required , I don’t get many 2 week old Ferrari s to polish , mostly black bm s and mercs with granite for paint and enough tar to resurface a small path

@LakeCountryManufacturing 2 жыл бұрын

Which cutting pads are you using, HDO foam or something else?

@jesussalvador9234 3 жыл бұрын

mi favorita 21mm

@LakeCountryManufacturing 3 жыл бұрын

Wide orbit!

@olivertaylor4779 3 жыл бұрын

Great video, which one would you recommend for a 9mm forced rotation (Flex 3401) machine, I currently use CCS pads and I use them on a rotary too.

@LakeCountryManufacturing 3 жыл бұрын

Force or CCS pads are perfect!

@olivertaylor4779 3 жыл бұрын

@@LakeCountryManufacturing Fantastic, thanks.

@sidewalkdancesgym 3 жыл бұрын

I've spent the weekend working with the LC Manufacturing microfibre pads. Used a 15mm, 8mm and 9mm 'mini'. A combo of the blue cutting MF and the black polishing. I used 5" pads on the 15mm machine, 3" pads on the 8mm and 1" on the mini. How does that translate to this video? I got great results with them all. Or are MF pads different as they are much thinner so get less flex?

@LakeCountryManufacturing 3 жыл бұрын

Microfiber pads have a thinner foam interface typically, so flex is not really an issue regardless of the orbit.

@dvillamil01 2 жыл бұрын

Great Video, for a TORQ 10fx polisher, what would be the correct foam HDO Pads or SDO Pads?

@LakeCountryManufacturing 2 жыл бұрын

I believe that polisher is an 8mm throw, so the SDO will be just fine. However, many users actually just prefer the feel of the HDO pads outright (regardless of the throw of the tool) so it may be worth trying both designs - we'd love to know which version you get on with best!

@dave2166 2 жыл бұрын

Every day's a learning day.... Now I know, I can apply this into future works 15mm max for me.... dropping down to 8 and 3 on the ibrid nano and flex pxe80 Would this HDO and SDO distinction be applicable to forced rotation machines as well as random orbit DA?

@LakeCountryManufacturing 2 жыл бұрын

Yes :) HDO pads are great but, as the video explains, the benefits are more noticeable on larger throw orbital machines. That's not to say there's any technical downside to using an HDO pad on a smaller throw machine - if you just like the look and feel of them, carry on! But the SDO pads use the same foam on the face, and the simpler construction means they are cheaper to buy.

@stevelangsdorf7307 Жыл бұрын

I do all my work with 15 mm, and make my adjustments with pressure and arm speed.

@LakeCountryManufacturing Жыл бұрын

A lot to be said for having skills and knowledge of those variables for sure

@mikescardiaries 3 ай бұрын

Hey Kelly, Eric from Lake Country suggested the orange SDO polishing pads with Meg's Ultimate Polish (or M205) for my Porter Cable 7424XP. Does this make sense to you? Cheers

@whalen530 2 жыл бұрын

I currently have a 8 mm throw but I’m looking to get a 21 mm throw for hard clear coat

@LakeCountryManufacturing Жыл бұрын

Perfect! Did you know we make a tool that has 8mm, 12mm, 15mm and 21mm all in one? PLUS rotary? #UDOS51E

@neilhibbert5201 Жыл бұрын

Hi I use 5 inch pads 15 mm throw and 3 inch with 12 throw .

@rooboy99 2 жыл бұрын

Hi at the 2:15 mark of the video, you said it would wear down the pad quicker, referring to the HDO pad u were holding. So do u mean the HDO which is more than double the price of the SDO pads here in Australia, are going to wear out faster than SDO? I'm confused. Ive been using SDO pads on a 15mm 5" and 3" polisher and theyve been working fine so far. Havent got any HDO pads to compare at this point. But at double the price will the HDO last twice as long under the same conditions? Thx in advance

@LakeCountryManufacturing 2 жыл бұрын

By reducing the internal flexing, the HDO design will do a better job of keeping the operational foam (the coloured bit) working at its best for longer. It counters the extra stresses caused by larger throw orbits, while simultaneously taking greater advantage of them. As you've found, SDO pads will work on a 15mm orbit - but you'll notice HDO pads feel and behave quite different, with increased control and improved operational efficiency (ie. they get the job done better, and quicker). As a user myself, HDO is my go-to over SDO every time. They're more expensive to buy, but I find the benefits outweigh that price difference comfortably. Try one and let us know what you think?

@viliusvilkas 2 жыл бұрын

15mm it’s my go with HDO ;)

@LakeCountryManufacturing 2 жыл бұрын

Perfect match :)

@Kickbasser Жыл бұрын

Great video. Can I use SDO on 15mm throw DA?

@detailersgarage Жыл бұрын

Yes you can.

@LakeCountryManufacturing Жыл бұрын

What he said ;) but when you get to 15mm and upwards the benefits of the HDO alternatives become increasingly more clear :)

@Matan2222222 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video! Can I use the SDO with my DeWalt 6423 Random Orbital Sander?

@LakeCountryManufacturing Жыл бұрын

You CAN do that, but progress and results may not be ideal. Most machine polishers use 8 to 21mm orbits for good reason.

@fiqaaljafri5887 Жыл бұрын

15 and 12

@chrisginoc 5 ай бұрын

Would you recommend HDO or SDO for a Griot's G8 or G9?

@TITAN9389 Жыл бұрын

What about the Forced Rotation machines ( I use Flex XCE with HDO CSS) does the same thing apply ? and what are the advantages of (HDO-CCS / SDO-CCS) vs (HDO / SDO) ones ?

@LakeCountryManufacturing Жыл бұрын

The HDO line is also suitable for forced dual-action polishers in exactly the same way :) As for the advantages of CCS - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ftqPiNar27KmYJs.html One thing also not mentioned often enough is that the CCS pockets are closed cell, whereas the rest of the pad face is open cell. This means that some of your fresh compound or polish will be retained 'undiminished' on the pad face for longer, allowing you to do longer passes and improve your workflow efficiency - you can literally carry out a pass, give the pad a quick squeeze onto the panel, and see that more fresh compound has been released. It's a genuinely useful trick / hack / technique :)

@TITAN9389 Жыл бұрын

@@LakeCountryManufacturing thank you for the explanation and the tips ✌🏻

@sixfry Жыл бұрын

I bought a couple of blue and orange HDO foam Pads. Some of them are slightly bent so not 100% flat. Some more some less some not at all. All unused in the sealing bag. Ist this normal, should I claim them? Thanks you for your Help!

@LakeCountryManufacturing Жыл бұрын

It's not impossible that this could be from storage/handling/shipping, however once hooked up onto a backing plate my guess is they will straighten out. Go ahead and use them, but if you experience any difficulty as a result of the bend please do contact the retailer and/or tech.help AT lakecountrymfg.com

@sixfry Жыл бұрын

Thanks I'll test a straight and a bent one and see If there is a difference and follows your advice.

@matty387 3 жыл бұрын

Any disadvantage of using the HDO pads on short throw machines?

@LakeCountryManufacturing 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Matt, we would recommend the SDO in those cases. The extra rigidity doesn't hurt what you are doing, but you may be spending more than you need. Great Question!

@rooboy99 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, cost

@bfighter125 3 жыл бұрын

15mm Forced rotation, so HDO for this machine, or do you have different pads for this?

@LakeCountryManufacturing 3 жыл бұрын

HDO = Heavy Duty Orbital in the 15-21mm range, SDO would be sub 15mm (12, 9, 8mm)

@gerardopulido9544 2 жыл бұрын

can i replace a hd pad with the purple pad, on a 15mm machine? would have a good result?

@LakeCountryManufacturing Жыл бұрын

The thin Purple Foamed Wool pads - recommended for use on orbital polishers - are best used in heavy cutting situations. You'll remove defects more quickly, but need additional stages of refinement after.

@matty387 3 жыл бұрын

Is there a suitable 1" pad if not available in the SDO?

@LakeCountryManufacturing 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Matt, the HDO and SDO lines go down as low as to fit a 3" backing plate. For 2" and 1" foams, our Force range has you covered, and we also make microfiber pads in all of these sizes. You can see some of them featured in this video from last year - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ppekkq2d2dzcZmg.html

@danito1988r 3 жыл бұрын

Hi LC, what happened and you don't send to your partners HDO pads for months? I live in Greece, I want to buy the pads and they are out of stock very long time!

@LakeCountryManufacturing 3 жыл бұрын

Hi, we apologize. As you know, just as with many other products, that there is been a large increase in demand in automotive detailing products. As such, we have adjusted our projections and are shipping out daily to distributors.

@00jim 2 жыл бұрын

Rupes lhr 15 for me on large panels

@LakeCountryManufacturing 2 жыл бұрын

That's a great machine, and the HDO pads are an absolutely perfect match for it!

@00jim 2 жыл бұрын

@@LakeCountryManufacturing Been enjoying your content lately,not got round to trying your pads yet,got a fair stock of rupes, but hearing great things, well done.... tough market.

@ANDREWSMITH-nz6ic 2 жыл бұрын

are sdo/hdo pads closed or open cell

@LakeCountryManufacturing 2 жыл бұрын

Open cell

@tomasdubinskas Жыл бұрын

21mm throw with a 125mm backing

@Boodieman72 3 жыл бұрын

Never paid attention to orbit throw.

@LakeCountryManufacturing 3 жыл бұрын

Until now? Ba-dum-tiss

@Eurogloss 3 жыл бұрын

You can't beat a rotary and forced rotation for speed of correction!

@LakeCountryManufacturing 3 жыл бұрын

Lots more videos to come, which may include correction rates...

@whitewalker9622 Жыл бұрын

8mm

@magoo1340 Жыл бұрын

15 mm

@LakeCountryManufacturing Жыл бұрын

Seems to be a popular choice :)

@mattolivo 2 ай бұрын

ummmm ive been using the SDO's on my long throw forever they work great. HDO's are priced like they have gold flake in them. lol I do have some HDO"s they make the job quicker but the SDO's were fine before the HDO was created so don't think you have to buy the HDO bc you have a long throw, this guy is a business man so of course he is trying to sell the most expensive pad they have. SDO's work just fine. Other companies don't have that extra layer in there pads and they are fine.