Wow Stuarts darwings of himself have got better. Nearly life like

Warriors on the Cheap.

Two of the best Doctor Who KZfaqrs collaborating with each other again, talking about one of the worst Classic Who stories? Yes please, I can hear these two talk about anything all day.

This is great Stuthaniel!

Wait. In the twice upon a time review it was revealed that Steven Moffats massive massive brain is actually the living flesh supercomputer. And now it is revealed that Stuart is secretly the living flesh supercomputer. Does that mean Stuart is secretly Steven Moffats massive massive brain.

Pantomime Horse: The Wilderness Years

Still better than Hell Bent tho

Stubagful and Council of geeks. Again. Yes please!

There is one positive of Warriors of the Deep, to be fair- the commentary is definitely one of the funniest on any Classic Who DVD.

I don't hate Warriors of the Deep. It honestly felt to me like an 80's take on a Second Doctor base under seige story.

I think in defence of the bad cliffhanger I think it's probably Turlough's quick cowardice talking, as he actually is a innocently meek and cowardly political prisoner who got in too deep with the Black Guardian at the end of the day... either that or it's still the shellshock effects of the Black Guardian talking...

I cannot lie I remember seeing this as a young kid when it was first on and loving every minute - edge of sofa when the Doctor went into the chair for whatever brain thing it was...........I doubt I could stomach it as a grown man however......just proof that "Dr Who is for kids" worked well for me in that era

3:34 I think Nash put it best when he said “That’s the moment where Peter Davison thought to himself ‘Fuck it, I quit’”

I feel like the stubagfull channel has an underlying story that I have never realized took place.

Holy crap, that ending shot was some awesome VFX work.

Love seeing my favourite you tubers collaborate

both your favourite episode and your least favourite both have "The Deep" in the title

I'm pretty sure the overuse of action sequences was a Saward thing. Johnny Byrne was more than happy to write lots and lots of talky, over-dramatically meaningful scripts, if his work on Space: 1999 was anything to go by. Also, Space: 1999 had a budget. Can you imagine the monster from Dragon's Domain being done on classic Doctor Who money? It'd look like the Mandrels from Nightmare of Eden.

Any chance of the both of you doing 'Vengeance on Varos' at some point? It's literally the ONLY Season 22 story that actually works, imo, and I just REALLY want to see you two discuss the one true classic of the Sixth Doctors' sadly much-maligned era... 😊😊😊😊

This is awesome. Thank you two so much for doing this

Classic Dr Who is a bit like those pictures where there's a black section and a white section and if you focus on one, you see one shape and if you focus on the other, you see something else. Imagine watching Genesis of the Daleks and focusing on things like...the nuclear war between enemies who are walking distance apart...the fact there's a moon rocket aimed up at space to hit a target a mile away across flat ground...the Doctor wanting a cup of tea from aliens on a planet where they think there's no life in the rest of the Universe...the orange clam which is completely inanimate yet eats Harry's leg...in the case of Warriors, people have been focusing on the weaknesses of it since day one, which is a pity, as there's a very unusual story about the Doctor in there. He's quite internally blocked by the way things went in the past and has a real off day as a result. It takes his companions to sort him out in the end. Davison gives an interesting performance with it, too.

Is it bad that I legitimately enjoy Warriors of the Deep? Great video btw tho!

This will probably become my guilty pleasure when I watch it.

Michael Grade was such a hater of the show, that after the hiatus, Trial of a Time Lord went the meta route and had The Doctor going on trial against his peers (the Time Lords/the audience) whilst the Inquisitor (the BBC) decided his ultimate fate against a prosecutor that had him out for him because he had a personal hatred of him. The fucking Valeyard was based on Michael Sodding Grade!

Wow, never realized The Doctor committed genocide in Warriors of the Deep. This is really messed up considering how disturbed he looked after UNIT (I think) bombed the Silurians at the end of the their debut story.

It’s as if On-Camera Stu and Paint Avatar Stu are two seperate entities. Now I want a multi-Stu special.

Yes! I've been waiting for you two to collaborate together!

Review Delta and The Bannerman!!! Nobody ever talks about it?😭😭😭

Imposter! Real Nathaniel would have said "phonomonal!" a bunch of times.

A lot of blame gets leveled at Colin Baker for killing Classic Who, but Warriors of the Deep makes it quite clear that the Fifth Doctor killed Who stone dead and Baker merely occupied its still warm corpse temporarily.

The Star Wars comparisons really work because the sea devils shoot like stormtroopers

Also, I'm surprised that you didn't mention how utterly out of character 5 was in this story. He seemed more to be on the side of the Silurians in the story than the humans, even though the Silurians, unlike in their first story which had good motivations that the audience can see where they're coming from, wanted to create a nuclear war. Speaking of nuclear, The Doctor practically says hello to the staff after almost creating a nuclear explosion and fight off two guards. This is not the 5th Doctor I know, this is not the Doctor I know. And the icing on the cake is him saying that the Silurians have good reason to blow the base apart, and him questioning why he likes humans when they are just trying to fend for themselves, and practically kills everyone in the base. Forget the 10th Doctor, this is the most mishandled I have ever seen for someone to write for the Doctor. And poor Davison is trying his damdest to try and save this story with his performance, in fact all three of them are, Davison, Fielding and Strickson did not deserve a script like Warriors of the Deep (and Time-Flight, and Four to Doomsday, and most of Season 20, and Planet of Fire, wow, 5's era is pretty underwhelming isn't it?)

I think once you factor what the 83 election did, the three decisions you can blame the production team for were (1) the execution of the Myrka, (2) the bright lighting that was guaranteed to show it at its worst rather than hiding it in the shadows as intended (director Pennant Roberts pretty much gave up when he couldn't get more scenes of it cut) and (3) giving him an action story in the first place when 'rubbish gun battles in the second half' is practically a visual trademark of his. Poor bastard really had the shittest luck when it came to 80s stories, as the last one he got lumbered with was Timelash.

In the original script the Myrka was essentially a larger, stronger and more ferocious Sea Devil. The special effects team didn't think that this would be visually impressive enough and redesigned it into the four legged beast on loan from Panto Horses "R" Us that you see in the story. Anyone else think that they would have been much better off sticking to the script?

Yay! I like crossovers! I had literally just saw your last crossover!

From what I’ve been able to gather, it looks like the Sea Devils were taken seriously back in the day despite being goofy looking fish men. (I’ve watched tons of classic Who, just not anything with them, yet). This was a big deal to have not only returning monsters, but also a team up should have made this at least watchable, but damn it didn’t turn out that way. This episode seems to have obliterated most of the demand for the Warriors of the Deep to come back. Not saying it can’t happen, it just seems unlikely, especially with Chibnall saying he’s emphasizing new monsters this next season.

This is actually one of my favorite stories

You two together, now that's pretty cool.

Trial of a timelord next please. If u do make it please mention my name. I agree with your opinion on warriors of the deep

As a half-hearted defence that i don't really actually mean, things i like about Warriors of the Deep: The Sea Devils' Samurai helmets Guest stars Charles Vine from the crap James Bond knock-offs, Greg Preston from Zombie Flesh Eaters and Eeengreed Peett and her amazing kung fu. A review of it i once read wherein the reviewer seemed to suffer a compound nervous breakdown halfway through and started ranting about the Rwandan genocide Um... Tegan's skirt. I got nothing else.

The worst thing about this story in my opinion are the countless sub plots/scripting ideas. There’s been shit looking Doctor Who stories like Kinda and despite its really cheap looking effects it’s one of my favorite stories from Davison’s era. So it doesn’t matter how good the effects are well at least when we’re not talking about the Merka costume because.... at least the other stories were trying but like.... huh plus I can’t even keep track of the story and so much shit happens I just huuuuh

#siluriansdidnothingwrong

Before I watched this, I decided to rewatch Warriors of the Deep. Admittedly, I was a bit pished, but I did get some enjoyment out of it!! The Myrka looks dreadful, sure, but I think the sets look pretty good, I think the characters of Vorshak and Nielsen are compelling and I actually like the build-up to the Sea Devils and the Myrka breaking into the base. Heck, the atmosphere/music in general is actually quite nice! And the final line does hit quite hard. With that said: I dislike how the Silurians and nerfed and how the Sea Devils are now warriors that serve the Silurians. It doesn't do them justice and is a big miss for sure. And yes, Turlough prematurely declaring the Doctor drowned and the open TARDIS made me roll my eyes...

What an awesome vid

Against the backdrop of the paranoia of the time, spawning the amazing productions, "Threads" and "When the Wind Blows", this really could and should have been a very poignant story. Sadly however, it turned into something terrifying for all the wrong reasons. Just when you think it can't get any worse, it does. :(

This is a bad story, but I still think Time-Flight is much worse. Warriors has good ideas, a good plot and some decent character work and it could have been decent had the production been competent. Time-Flight is an utter disaster on a script and production level.

Love these team ups. Great review, warriors of the deep COULD have been good, with a better director and some rewrites

Stuart is a jagaroth. Huh.

Well it's still better than Hell Bent.

Stu mate that really isn't what Jaegermeister looks like...

In the time line of the decline of doctor who thu was a big moment.

My poor sea devils, they deserved so much better

Well with all that preamble out of the way

How come the crew on the sea base don't think to use the plot device gas?

This is the kind of shit we get when we allow the people working on Doctor Who to use their bad budget as a excuse to slack off.

Bahaha he called the Myrka "the Merkin."

The worst part of this for me is that I read the novelization first which I loved, so seeing the TV serial was a shock. It's dreadful in so many ways. Also the Twin Dilemma is indeed bad, very bad, but I prefer it over this thing, even if only slightly.

Episode one makes more sense when you remember that part two was shown the next day, so it's more like the first half of a 45-minute episode. Still shit though.

BUT WARRIORS OF THE DEEP IS GOOOOOOOD IN A VERY TERRIBLE WAY

It's strange all Michael Grade needs to prove that the show is shit nowadays is scream plot armor at any scene of Storm Trooper aiming.

Nathanial, which do you feel is worse, this or the Two Doctors?

How are you both still sane after watching that story - its so bad you can smell the script oozing out of the screen.

Yayyyyyyyy

I actually quite like Warriors of the Deep, like I get there is a lot of problems there, all the action and dierecting and monster choreography is horrible, but I just don't think it's as bad as people seem to always say.

This is an awful story, yes, but I enjoy because it's just so insanely laughable

Got to say this is one of the very worst Doctor Who stories. It feels like barely anything of substance happens in the first three episodes and just consists of rather laughable and terribly directed action sequences that loses its comedy appeal after about 10 minutes. It also has some horrible guest actors and cold war side plots that lead nowhere. It has nothing to expand on from the Sillurians and the Sea Devils and is just a repeat of the same themes and is rather poorly plotted and incredibly illogical. The only part I actually like is Peter Davison's performance who was great in this story. I made a review of this story on my channel earlier in the year if anyone wants to check it out.

Thanks for beating the shite out of my favourite who serial, I mean it in a good way

It sucks as this story had fantastic potential, and it's a shame Malcolm Hulke (writer and creator of both the Silurians and Sea Devil stories starring Jon Pertwee) died back in 1979, as I feel Malcolm could have really given this story more of an identity. Instead, it comes off as a massive pile of dump, and not the classic it should have been.

I actually really like this one😂 comparing also stories like fury from the deep where nobody dies and this one shows the failure of 5 that builds up this season

Really bad acting, gun effects weren't shooting anything. And the only interesting part was the silurian interaction with the sea devils. Big finish should try redoing this concept.

Wait people don't like "Warrior's of the Deep"? I really like this story...

Hey I liked Warriors of the Deep!

You are fucking cute.

Warriors is a good story, very misunderstood and has been trashed way too much by fans.

One of the worst stories of all time 2/10