Exactly this

It is sad that the best episode of the 60th anniversary is the one episode that didn't tried to do anything with the anniversary

satsuma* lol

Satsuma. RTD should've done this!

oh i LOVE this

A perfect Full Circle.

I'm not giving you kids your damn frisbee back. It's mine now

Thank you for reminding me Schzero. ❤

I mean Scherzo is my favourite doctor who story, but WBY kind of had precious little to do with it beyond "trippy entity we don't know anything about and can't explain". I would say WBY's closest point of comparison is midnight tbh, not Scherzo.

​@@ameliawade78i mean the emulation of the doctor and his companion, while not quite getting it right. Has the doctor reckon with the consequences of his actions as they explore a place where the rules of the universe they are used to dont apply. I think there is a comparison to be made.

You thought it was quite good. Now go enjoy the holidays

@@Stubagful of course, Supreme Leader™️

As they say in Church of the Subgenius: "You'll pay to know what you really think!"

Haven't seen the episode. Haven't seen any episode of the show, for that matter. Haven't watched this video yet. Browsing part of the comments. "The Giggle"? Capitalised?

@@camelopardalis84 It's the name of the episode

@@georgie7109 I eventually came to that conclusion. Thanks. But it sounded so odd.

What obvious reasons are those?

@@jackhughes9835 3 out of 4 episodes are missing. I'd rather watch the completed serial as opposed to recreations. Just personal preference.

They should have done a Stolen Earth/Journey's End and had the Bi-Generation be the climax ending of part 1. And then you can have a much more interesting, spectacular and clever climax instead of just "The Toymaker fumbles the ball in a game of catch". And then you've still got plenty of time for the conclusion stuff and for Gatwa to talk Tennant into doing therapy with Donna.

Exactly, my thoughts.

@GeriatricFan1963 100% exactly what I was thinking. 14 and 15 teaming up and actually *outsmarting* the toymaker in Part 2 would have been so much better.

Eccleston lost in a maze of canals on a gondola, to echo Five Doctor's irrelevant clips of Tom Baker (originally shot for Shada)

What are you on about? Just like both Day of the Doctor and the Five Doctors, it was a fun mess but overall just a bit crap. That's the Doctor Who way.

@@shortangel333not at all, those episodes were a very fun great mess, these specials have been a mess of bad and good while never truly achieving great. Saying "doctor who always bad lol" isn't an excuse for something even worse than the norm

This is a definition of good with which I am unfamiliar. 3 episodes of RTD shite with extra Gay and added Misandry. Whooo!

That scene with Sylvia was really, really striking to me, because it just felt so _honest._ You can feel that Sylvia's out of her depth and struggling to adjust to something she's never really had to think about before, and you can feel that she's frustrated about not knowing what she's "supposed" to do to help support Rose, underlining how much she cares. It's such a small scene in the context of the episode, but I'll be damned if I don't get choked up thinking about it. It's really sweet, IMO.

Yes but in TSB rose is played as: the most stereotypical trans person I.e. a preteen activist, a Mary Sue who's only flaw is played as a joke, and simultaneously (hopefully unintentionally) conflates transgenderism with nonbinary genders while also treating her being trans as a result of her metacrisis thing. As a trans person, that episode still pisses me off. The only people who actually like it are the same pseudo activists who use us as a weapon, but I try not to think about it because generally the episode isn't very good. This isn't to say that it's horrible, but compared to past eras all 3 specials have been a serious dip, I feel the only reason other fans like them is because they're better than Chibnalls era

@@Qtheman3456admittedly this bit is nice, but one positive isn't good enough when you have 4 negatives tied to it. As a trans gal Cassandra from the first series is still the best representation in doctor who we have, she's stated to have once been a man and that's all there is to it, no real negative jokes or stereotypes, she's just a posh narcissist who happens to be trans THATS the representation we need. Not stereotypes that make use look bad by trying to paint us as saints, judge us on our merits not on our gender

Sadly that didn't work all too well, since the new "fans" have been telling old fans to piss off or giving them all sorts of labels because the old fans simply didn't find that much enjoyment out of it (which is majority of the audiance) I didn't mind this speical but it really did put me off in some scenes

​@@TheDerpyMuffinsadly I've too seen this. it's like reliving the whole Toxic new fans who appeared when Jodie was announced to be playing the Doctor - spitting out the vile buzz words of the time.

@@Mark-nh2hs Yeah exactly, it's sad this is what it is now, just have to accept whatever is thrown at you or else you're on the hit list

@@TheDerpyMuffin I've always been a Classic Who fan grew up with it. NuWho I never really got into it - yeah I watched it to a point but never was big into it. At least I have the classics to fall back on and enjoy. I'm more sad that a once fun and accommodating fandom is now more like TikTok and Twitter. I had some toxic NuWho fan try to educate me on Dr Who esp mentioning some warped version of Classic Who 😂. Until I corrected them with my vast knowledge of the Classic show and they came back with "Don't give a Shit about Classic Who as its rubbish". To which I didn't reply as I had won the battle and they had to resort to petty comments 😂. Im not scared of these NuWho fans I've found when you bring up Classic Who evidence which contradicts NuWho logic they back right off (some of the time).

The problem is really old fans just don't know how to have fun anymore. It must be depressing viewing a fiction show in a way that it has to be so serious all the time. I don't get why old fans and even some fans of new who are so obsessed with the timeline. The show has never cared about it. I mean it started off with the Doctor and Susan implied being people from Earths future, and don't even get started on the UNIT dating conspiracy (Thanks Mawdryn Undead >:( ). I hope this "The Boss" arc actually does something interesting and builds up a rouges gallery of villains that get together near the end of the arc and have a doctor lite or free episode with them (like a Mission to the Unknown but we actually know more villains than just the Daleks).

Fandom could actually be a hindrance cause a story that's too in the know will be alienating to newcomers

If "properties" started with that degree of self-congratulation instead of taking some risks, they never would have survived long enough to have fans to begin with. It's part of the whole tendency towards feeling entitled and wanting to gatekeep that can make fandoms turn toxic.

I think what's actually important is that the creators have respect for the existing story and the characters, and always take them into account when continuing the story. It justifiably comes with the territory of writing in a continuous narrative; past events should matter and not contradicted / retcon-ed by the new story. If you don't want any restrictions or limitations to your writing, then write a new story or at least establish a different continuity. In addition to that, the story/performance needs to be good. If it's not good, then it just becomes a mediocre "legacy sequel" that won't pull in new audiences and the products will soon die off again. Actors that are not fans can benefit from a good script; if the script is good and fits snugly within canon, it rarely matters whether the actor is a fan, they just need to deliver a good performance. Christopher Eccleston and Matt Smith comes to mind here; neither were fans when they were cast, but they were given good scripts to work with, and Smith even becomes a fan afterwards.

Its weird in modern doctor who we've had 2 doctors who are life times fans and were basically pitch perfect and 3 that weren't fans and yet delivered great performances (Jodie Whittaker is a fantastic actor and her passion for the role in spite of everything is admirable).

Not all guest writers and directors need to be preexisting fans, but the showrunner definitely should be

What if fans of Tennant's original run don't like it though? As a legacy sequel, this is pretty explicitly for them.

@@jaysmall5586 then it's not for them as well

I heard the same argument, though, about Ghostbusters 2016. How is that different?

Trouble is there's Millions of the former and a handful of deluded perverts orgasming over the TWAW message.

I think they announced some time ago that Yasmin Finney (Rose) is back for series 15 so here’s hoping she gets more fleshed out now the return of Tennant & Donna overshadowing her.

​@@pcb1175 oh heck yeah

Ha " *Rose* tinted glasses"

@@Manel-dq2kb glad someone enjoyed that.

Mine is a slightly longer list

@@omnishambles5956 That's impossoble to know without knowing the length of my list.

He sometimes does. And other times, he just posts randomly. Or arbitrarily. We may never know which.

Unlike my dad

If that ending was the final shot of the show, I’d say it was as perfect an ending for the character of the Doctor as you could possibly get. As an ending for David Tennant personally, which is what it actually is? Yeah it just does not work and flies in the face of who the Doctor is supposed to be.

RTD has said he doesn't have plans to bring Tennant back. Of course, Russell lies! He lied about the plan to bring him back in the first place, saying Gatwa was the next Doctor. So who knows? But I expect them to let the Tennant era rest for at least a few years. Maybe he'll come back in Gatwa's final episode and re-merge with him or something.

@@eccentriastes6273what do you mean? Gatwa is the next doctor after tennant

​@@mujiescomedy279 I'm referring to the fact Gatwa was originally announced as the next Doctor after Whittaker, then we got a surprise when she regenerated into David Tennant. Although to be fair, I can't definitely recall anyone at the BBC saying "Ncuti Gatwa will be the 14th Doctor," maybe they just said stuff like "he'll be playing the Doctor in series 14" or something.

@@eccentriastes6273 ah fair. I got confused thanks. That said, I don’t think wanting to hide spoilers is quite the same level as lying. Well I guess it is Tbf. But I don’t think it’s so bad to lie to avoid spoilers I don’t know your opinion on it

Speaking of which, where has Jay gone? They’ve been radio silent on all their channels for months and didn’t comment on the specials at all, unless just on Twitter but I don’t check that lol.

Stuart is a future Doctor that became a biological human because he’s on the run

@@Longshanks1690it’s on Twitter. Apparently they’re taking a mental break.

@@steelbarberTaking a mental health break

I just listened to it earlier actually and it’s sooo good - obviously wouldn’t want them to basically just remake a Big Finish story but I wish they took some of the Toymaker’s characteristics from that audio into the Giggle

Totally agree; Donna had very little of consequence to actually do in the Giggle which felt very odd. It would have been far more interesting if instead of the Doctor cutting cards and losing, the Toymaker threatened to kill the Doctor and Donna offered to play a game to try and save his life and ended up losing, resulting in the Bi-generation. "Best of three" felt a little like a cop out to me.

Yeah, he's always fair in his reviews.

Ncuti was great. Very impressed with him

A lesson learned from the obi wan kenobi series

NO it isn't.

People might be overhyping but it is pretty solid with some genuinely good character moments, suspense and creep factor. Worth checking out. I think the other two specials are garbage though people here seem to be kinder to them.

Star Wars didn't exist when Sir AG first signed the contract. He did his job and actually acted. Unlike the diversity hires plaguing TV and Films nowadays.

@12:48 I actually found this dripping with horror and thought it was really well done! I thought it looked fantastic, like they were exploring the infinite environment of a comic book (ie unlimited budget, something the show never had but now looks like it does!) and was delighted that they managed to make a brightly lit, gleaming white spaceship feel utterly terrifying…for me it was absolutely the scale…when the Doctor & Donna left the little side room and stared down the endless, empty corridor and started exploring, i paradoxically started feeling breathless in a sort of reverse, anti-claustrophobia (I know there’s a word for that even tho I can’t think of it right this second..agoraphobia? Anyway, I was yelling at them “Mark off which room you were in! They all look alike and you’ll never find which room the TARDIS comes back to!” I fully expected that to be a scene at the end, the Doc & Donna are being pursued by hideous evil monster(s) X and they ,are it back to the endless hallway or storage shipping section or crew quester - whatever section it is, they’d suddenly stop running with a frantic plea from Donna of “Move! Why’d we stop running?” and David Tennant would breathlessly respond to her with “Just one problem…which room did we arrive in? The TARDIS will,come back to that same spot…” and cue dramatic music followed by a camera pan to the endless, infinite corridor with rooms that all look *exactly* alike! Anyway, the utter emptiness was terrifying…imagine being stuck out in space or even worse, so weird void beyond space that we primitive humans can’t even begin to understand or comprehend, what sort of primal beings could exist here or is it just the quiet, infinite empty loneliness that feels like the mere concept of such things could and would drive a person utterly raving bonkers, and can you imagine if the Doctor went mad and were stuck with him? How well do you know this being that *looks* human but you suddenly realize he’s an alien and you have no clue what he’s capable of, how to defend yourself should you need to, or just what he’s really like when he isn’t mimics g human appearance and culture and kindness? I had all these thoughts and realized that as is often said, the scariest monsters are the ones you can’t see but have to devise with your mind, and in this case it’s not intentionally making up a monster for a story, this is your own deep creative inner self pulling up its deepest fears combined with questions of primal survival mixed with existential terror and truly is the sort of story that is fueled by your own inner fear and paranoia…so the more you personally are a screwed up mental case (hand raised! Right here, me!) the absolutely more terrifying the story becomes! That’s a masterpiece of using the budget - by making use of your own viewer’s minds so each person gets scared to the limits of their own minds…and that is amazing talent that impresses me with RTD! And yes, I probably thought about this way too much…but that’s the whole point: viewers who overthink and maybe are (secretly) screwed up in one way or (ahem) several ways will experience even greater terror….masterful skill IMO! :-)

They teased the 'why has this face come back' thing and then did nothing with it. If they used the three specials to actually explore the trauma and have Ncuti come out the end of it refreshed, then the writers would've got a clean slate without the contrivance.

The arc over Capaldi to Fourteenant is basically a string of the Doctor getting completely worn down to nothing until they're buried under a weight of trauma and are kind of just going on without much of a sense of purpose anymore. This is putting that specific arc to bed, and it's not one that will inherently be repeated.

But why can't Ruby leave the Doctor on good terms? We haven't had that done properly in a while. Why can't it be "Oh well I've had fun but I'd like to continue with my life, see you in the 80th anniversary specials!"?

@@shortangel333 As I said, how long can you keep that streak going? How long will every companion have coincidentally happy endings after decades of plenty of companions either dying or ending on bittersweet, tragic terms? If every single one remains besties after they leave the TARDIS, that is gonna get real old, real fast and audiences will turn on that trend and call it out for the obvious contrivance that it is. Doctor Who needs its tragic endings as much as it’s whimsical fun, the show simply isn’t the same without those darker moments. So either the show is about to change beyond recognition to keep this new “trauma free” status quo or we’ll end up right back at square one in ten years meaning introducing bi-regeneration was completely pointless. Hardly a great outlook no matter what way you cut it.

@@reginaldfromnigeria5206 Is that really what you got from Chibnall’s era? Was he trying to establish 13 as a character who was worn down, defeated and beaten by her losses? If anything, the way 13 was written was consistently criticised for being comically positive to the detriment of the character (This is the bit where I say something encouraging, etc) So I just don’t think this “14 is completely defeated by his history and grief” angle works because there isn’t anything unique about it in comparison to the rest of the Doctor’s history where loss and grief was very much a part of the story. And, again, nothing that’s going to stop that from continuing to be a factor for years to come, unless we’re really about to enter comically contrived territory.

He should have brought Sylvestor back and turned Damaged Goods into a 4 part serial.

As the Doctor say. The Toymaker lives for the rules of the game.

I'm also a bit disappointed that the bigger budget seems to have resulted in more CGI, rather than better CGI.

I've been surprised that it's an unpopular opinion, but I'd always considered Davies' finales to be his weakest episodes.

@@voltijuice8576 the first one was great but then he did it three more times.

Ah yes, the most crucial traits of a writer: race, age, gender, and.....physical fitness.

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