It was a weird creative decision to end the series here & at 8 episodes long but I'm okay with that / stubagful
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@Stubagful4 жыл бұрын
It was a weird creative decision to end the series here & at 8 episodes long but I'm okay with that
@iain97574 жыл бұрын
you’ve changed and I don’t like it
@jackrichardson91364 жыл бұрын
Lol, it's good to know you loved the finale
@flashrobbie4 жыл бұрын
It's kind of like the Survival of RebootaWho 1. I hope there's a second reboot one day in the future.
@slateoffate98124 жыл бұрын
So you're not going to review episodes 9 and 10? I personally liked them. Oh gods. What's happening to me? Where's my sense of quality in writing?
@jessica-mh3os4 жыл бұрын
@@slateoffate9812 I loved the finale, but with doctor who I throw all standards out the window. I mean, I liked orphan 55 for god's sake haha
@emilyhadley90894 жыл бұрын
Can we just appreciate the fact that Lord Byron is the only person who tried to hit on the Thirteenth Doctor so far, I may just be a weird person but that exchange between the two made me chuckle.
@MissTomi4 жыл бұрын
Because who would want to hit on 13? She looks like a she's made out of potato salad.
@emilyhadley90894 жыл бұрын
@@MissTomi I mean, her costume is borderline on Colin Baker's costume but I just liked the exchange between her and Lord Byron. If you look back, even to Paul McGann's TV movie, the doctor has had his fair share of flirty remarks and joked about partners. The Doctor's a Lady's Man in his eight, ninth, tenth and eleventh incarnations with Ten even having his 'Pretty Boy' status. Now the Doctor is a woman and has a younger body than Twelve, I felt it was only right to make a remark or two about it in some flirty jokes. I'm not asking for much, I just liked the exchange and am happy Chipnall (though I hate Chipnall) is finally addressing the fact that the Doctor is indeed a woman now and so should include some jokes, like the running joke about Eleven's chin and Twelve's eyebrows.
@geo34014 жыл бұрын
Emily Hadley Yes, it was funny and charming and made a lot of sense actually.
@moneybxndz1613 жыл бұрын
@@MissTomi that was a bit unnecessary but okay
@alexzander44263 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I did enjoy that. It would've been better if the Doctor was just a bit more receptive to it rather than being completely disgusted because "she is a woman and women hate when men flirt with them. That's called cat-calling, and cat-calling is wrong." I mean, I would be flattered if a historical figure like that hit on me.
@OxbowisaMstie4 жыл бұрын
At some point, I will revisit all the Mary Shelley stories just to see how many backflips the Doctor Who Wikia writers (may they all RIP, the poor bastards) had to do to make this story actually work within the canon.
@HazarTulum4 жыл бұрын
the cracks from series 5. Solves any and every inconsistency in Doctor Who
@HiperPivociarz4 жыл бұрын
@@HazarTulum Yet again Moffat ruins all the fun.
@evonannoredars4 жыл бұрын
@@HazarTulum Or just time travel in general, the sheer amount of which that goes on is bound to mess up the timelines a little bit.
@marcelwannieck4 жыл бұрын
Well, this is what the Wiki says on this matter: "It offered an alternate account of the conception of Frankenstein by Mary Shelley to that of the audio story Mary's Story featuring the Eighth Doctor, though with the story acknowledging that what it was depicting was the result of history becoming unusually flexible around that night." So, because the Cyberium was sent back in time to 1816 by Ko Sharmus, that already changed history for the Shelleys. The Eighth Doctor stuff just happened before history was changed.
@alexzander44263 жыл бұрын
@@HazarTulum How? Everything was reset to normal. Like nothing happened
@chrisdownie96224 жыл бұрын
Always delighted when “He Who Moans” appears in my feed.
@kiarash6084 жыл бұрын
The fact that they could not leave the house gave me "Chimes of Midnight" vibes, wich is best kind of vibe ever Anywho, this is my favorite S12 episode. That Lone Cyberman was awesome
@christopheralthouse63784 жыл бұрын
Really? I got more "Castrovalva" vibes myself, what with all of the recursive craziness going on...😅😂 This is no slight, btw..."Castrovalva" happens to be among my favorite Fifth Doctor stories...😁
@ishaandw4 жыл бұрын
Holy Shit! I'm not the only one who really got the Chimes of Midnight vibes upon first viewing it.
@TheBirdOfParadox4 жыл бұрын
@@christopheralthouse6378 Honestly, when the creepy thing with the unending rooms started happening I was immediately reminded of Castrovalva has well! I was super happy, because as you said it's an excellent Five story and I was always kind of sad that they had never returned to this M. C. Escher'esque idea, because I always thought it fit perfectly with the style of Doctor Who. I really enjoyed this episode :D
@menwithven28624 жыл бұрын
As someone currently studying prop making in London and has dreamed about designing the Cybermen ever since I saw the confidential for age of steel when I was 4. This episode was utter utter porn. Just fucking gorgeous. I literally re watched the episode straight after it aired and took screenshots for the hole thing. I just wish he didn’t have the iron man light...
@Whiteythereaper3 ай бұрын
"Maybe we could have an episode about the cursed first draft of Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde?" Steven Moffat: "Already done that"
@casualcraftman15994 жыл бұрын
Yes I'm not the only one that wants a Doctor Who story covering the inspiration for Jekyll and Hyde.
@TheGreatLordDufus4 жыл бұрын
Casual CraftMan Next question, would that be a regeneration story? Or a Valeyard one?
@LordSlarr4 жыл бұрын
This was the only story I really got anything out of in series 12. The setting was good, they actually managed to make some interesting and non 2D side chaarcters for once and the lone Cybermen was a bloody good fresh take on an age old villain. I look forward to Alderton's work in series 13. Shame the finale was crap though.
@VintageBeauty13134 жыл бұрын
You have been the only one who as mentioned “Silver Turk” when talking about this episode, thank you!
@ftumschk4 жыл бұрын
Indeed, but wasn't the Silver Turk set on a different day, and in Vienna?
@theyellowlightsaber31933 жыл бұрын
I like the trope that developed of Jodie's Doc announcing to the companions prepare to witness greatness from historical figure only in both cases to come across them at their worst moments, in Tesla's case an empty room and a man on the verge of bankruptcy and in Mary Shelly and Byron's case a swinger's evening undermining their respect as great writers. I want to see this continue as a defining trait of 13's run as its a new spin on the Doc and historical figure theme that surprisingly in 50 years of show nobody has ever thought to do.
@FortoFight4 жыл бұрын
What comes next in the series could never have lived up to my expectations, but I am pissed that a lot of the things I imagined and thought would be interesting are left alone. I want to see the dystopian society in which the Cybermen rose to power starting with voluntary conversions.
@slateoffate98124 жыл бұрын
I almost wrote a fanfic about that idea. Benefactors of War, I called it. Only ever wrote a synopsis.
@roguemeteorite67784 жыл бұрын
It would be interesting to see that in more detail but isn't that kind of what happened in World Enough and Time? People inventing Cybermen so their population could survive. From memory, weren't the patients - the proto-Cybermen - volunteers trying to survive?
@britanimations20024 жыл бұрын
4:49 oh my God Stu, that's going a bit graphic, think of thhe kiddies
@ftumschk4 жыл бұрын
Not to mention that subset of adolescent Doctor Who fans who won't know what's going on.
@millievariants2 жыл бұрын
When I watched The Haunting Of Villa Diodati I was loving it so much I was sitting on top of my sofa. I haven’t loved an episode like that on broadcast since Mummy On The Orient Express.
@frazzlesreviews53794 жыл бұрын
I’d love a Robert Louis Stevenson doctor who story as well but that would be hard seeing as he was ridiculously high writing both drafts and this is a family Sunday TV show.
@quinnsinclair70284 жыл бұрын
Fraser James It might be a bit disrespectful seeing as how he was a real person but you could give him a mental illness that manifests in manic episodes which everyone around him just assumes is him hitting the Coke. Thematically it would make sense if you’ve read the original Dr Jekyl story.
@Ukeepthelies84714 жыл бұрын
Chris Chibnall is out of ideas. He went to an outside writer. This is a bit like the 8th Doctor's, "The Company of Friends." Chibnall didn't write this one. The supporting actors were very good.
@stanger1214 жыл бұрын
this is my personal favourite in this season.
@joolsthebass4 жыл бұрын
Same
@Tyranniod4 жыл бұрын
I loved the lone cyberman. He was a great villain. Shame what happened.
@HedeccaTamer3 жыл бұрын
Series 3's build up VS finale Face Of Boe in 42: "you are not alone" Professor Yana in Utopia (at the end): "I am The Master" Series 12's build up VS finale Fugitive Of The Judoon: "CYBERMAN ON HIS OWN. STAY AWAY, VERY BAD. ALSO THERE'S ANOTHER DOCTOR, WHOAH!" Finale: "AND ALSO THE DOCTOR IS SPACE JESUS"
@thevfxmancolorizationvfxex40514 жыл бұрын
I can't wait to hear your thoughts on the series finale
@iamtheecho4 жыл бұрын
This was the best episode of the series for me but as die hard 8 fan I would have liked a little nod to him an oil painting on the wall or The Doctor saying "I've been her before along time ago (looks at clock) well tomorrow" or even mentioning to Lord Byron "I use to get compared to you a lot but frankly I don't see the resemblance, certainly not now anyway."
@benw44094 жыл бұрын
I can't wait for your review of the finale. I know it'll be a fair and well explained critique even if I know I'll disagree with a lot of the criticisms regarding the twist (not all the criticisms- I get WHY it's controversial- but I do like parts of what it establishes) Anyway, this story was awesome wasn't it?
@casualcraftman15994 жыл бұрын
The odd funny thing about Frankenstein monster being inspired by a hideous monster is that Frankenstein monster was describe as beautiful except for being giant and having weird yellow eyes in the book. Also Victor Frankenstein love interest/adopted sister Elizabeth was describe a beautiful blonde that makes poems about the beauty of the world. It would have been hilarious if there was a joke about the 13th Doctor inspiring that charter.
@BluBerryVA4 жыл бұрын
I think that Chibnall probably doesn't know that The Silver Turk exists
@Jedi_Spartan4 жыл бұрын
4:48 Sort of what I thought was being implied at first glance.
@sampletext82294 жыл бұрын
Jedi Spartan 38 lol I need to see that for real
@jessica-mh3os4 жыл бұрын
Bloody loved this episode. It's just nice, you know?
@AlexArtsHere4 жыл бұрын
I really think the supporting cast should've just been randos in the 1800s. The fact that 8's adventures with Mary Shelley aren't referenced at all implicitly decanonises them and I hate that, especially because the supporting cast being these specific people adds little to the story. Furthermore, the host of the Cyberium being some nobody would drive home the argument of one life vs a million. The Doctor shouldn't give in because Shelley was a famous dude who inspired people, but because this one person has life, making them worth saving as much as any famous figure, and beyond that allowing the Cyberium host to be killed would go against the promise of the name of the Doctor. It would be the cowards way out. We didn't need Shelley and co in this episode, the premise of the plot alone would've sold me just fine.
@Tymbus4 жыл бұрын
Good to hear a (mostly) positive review! Oh, since Jack is back with the Daleks (the Cybermen's allies?) maybe he heard about the lone cyberman from them
@carealoo7444 жыл бұрын
Phew! I thought from your last live-stream with Jay Exci that you might not do this. Do more Big Finish! It'll make you feel better!
@britanimations20024 жыл бұрын
Well it's in March. Not too bad my guy
@nightowl84774 жыл бұрын
4:45 someone's been rewatching Torchwood.
@iain97574 жыл бұрын
There was no point adding the Shelley or setting it at this point in history and that’s all I have to say really
@ZakJordan984 жыл бұрын
Well at least it gave smug gits material to gloat over BF Fans... *sarcasm*
@edward48404 жыл бұрын
What I didn't like about the Lone Cyberman was how you can see half his face. Because the face isn't scary enough for me to feel uncomfortable. I get that they can't show any gore in his face, but in that case just show his eye or maybe his mouth. Remind us he is human, don't shout at us that he's human
@peterthompson19894 жыл бұрын
For me while I love the lone cyberman in this episode I do feel the first part worked better and I feel it felt like two stories. When the lone cyberman came In I did feel it was kind of forced like they realised they needed to set the arc up. It's weird because I was missing the arc in praxeus. The spooky house made me think of ghost light and chimes of midnight and the recursion of castrovalva
@DarkLordoftheMeme4 жыл бұрын
This episode was probably the high point of Whitaker's time as the Doctor, and it was definitely downhill all the way for the next two episodes. Speaking of looking at the origins of horror writing, what do people think of H.P Lovecraft poping up in a Doctor Who episode? I've tried playing it out in my head for a while, Lovecraft would probably have a hard time not seeing the Doctor as anything other than an eldritch monster; and I've always thought the Great Race of Yith from The Shadow Out of Time would be perfect as Doctor Who villains.
@@Cosmic-hobo That could be awesome! Of course if TV Who did it they'd focus entirely on Lovecraft's uh....unfortunate opinions. (Which to be fair you'd have to at least touch on, but shouldn't let it derail the whole story)
@andriygriffin47824 жыл бұрын
I strongly felt this should have been a companion-less ep like 'Midnight'. Have just the doctor show up as this mysterious untrustworthy person and have Shelly and Byron be the companions for an ep! they are so interesting and would have made a fun one off Tardis team!
@nightshardthefanguidebrony8474 жыл бұрын
hoo boy cant wait for what you think on the finale two parter i think after this you should go back to big finish reviews. people still waiting for your thoughts on 20 years of big finish dr who and the legacy of time also ever considered doing other non dr who things from big finish? not the spinoffs, i mean things like blake's 7, star cops and the worlds of gerry anderson all of which are british and potentially up your alley for everything good you liked in dr who and black mirror
@philtonge75224 жыл бұрын
He's right about 'The Others' by the way ("Are you mad?")...
@darran3114 жыл бұрын
Gotta agree there that was a fantastic movie
@WiloPolis034 жыл бұрын
One of the first horror movies I watched, man that was a trip
@toast99bubbles3 жыл бұрын
I only just realised that Lord Byron is in this episode, after being namedropped by the Doctor in Spyfall Part 2, because of Ada Lovelace bding his daighter, so this episode kinda ties into that (especially with the obvious links between the Cybermen and the Kasaavin).
@Biotic_Warlock4 жыл бұрын
Have you listened to any of the Legacy of Time Big Finish stories?
@WiloPolis034 жыл бұрын
Great episode, but can we just appreciate that they actually got Jreg to be in this
@cjmcc52314 жыл бұрын
I have some questions about the show for you. I stopped watching the show at “Hell Bent” so i miss your He who moans reviews. That episode felt like the writing was on the wall for me as far as the integrity of the show was concerned. I’ve been rewatching New Who and I’m now on series 8 and running into the same problems I faced then. Is Doctor who worth returning to? Would it be better if the show got cancelled and/or certain aspects retconned? How would you fix the trajectory of the show if you were showrunner or if you could recommend new writing staff? Is there a cutoff point before you call it a day?
@raydarable4 жыл бұрын
Most of the problems with Hell Bent are forgettable. It barely impacted Season 10.
@cjmcc52314 жыл бұрын
raydarable The return of Gallifrey was important for 2 big reasons Firstly, it was really important for the Doctor’s overarching character arc. The Doctor stole the TARDIS to explore the universe as the first Doctor. However, it was only after his travels that he realised his perceived duty of responsibility to help the universe. He extends this belief and accuses the time lords of their failure to do so in his trial (the episode where the Doctor is fully realised as a character imo) and is exiled as a result. Thus establishes the Doctor’s antagonistic relationship with his people which lasts throughout the classic era. However, then the time war happens and it changes his perspective on his people after centuries of guilt and mourning. Then he realises that he was Gallifrey’s saviour and this completely recontextualises his relationship with them- not as an outcast but as a hero. The expectation and the set up for his return to Gallifrey is that he wants to forge a new and different relationship with his people and become more involved in the affairs of his planet. Yet this is betrayed (with nowhere for his character to logically progress) when he ignores this to just return to his life pre-timewar and scoot around the universe as if the last millennia of his life meant nought. Secondly, the return of Gallifrey would have given the show adequate structure and story progression if handled to its maximum potential. Several seasons should have been dedicated to the search for Gallifrey. Then seasons could have been spent dealing with the immediate problems faced upon its return. Lastly dealing with the legacy of Gallifrey’s return. Gallifrey and the Doctor’s relationship has always been the spine of Doctor Who imo (none more so than New Who) and the fact that they undercut its return in Hell Bent meant that the show was in free fall.
@raydarable4 жыл бұрын
@@cjmcc5231 That's true, I thought Hell Bent was a huge let down. That being said, Season 10 does a decent job of telling a compelling story despite the previous season's faults, IMO.
@HedeccaTamer3 жыл бұрын
At 6:06 when you said "this is how you do it" was it intended to sound like the song "this is how we do it"?
@TheMister1234 жыл бұрын
5:28 - Wait... wasn't Jack buried nearby? Maybe he overheard? ;-)
@EditedAF9873 жыл бұрын
Nah, Diodati is all the way in Switzerland. Jack was buried in Wales
@1015Elvis4 жыл бұрын
Wasn't the first draft of Jekyll and Hyde thrown away and the wife said, "No, this is good, keep at it."
@darran3114 жыл бұрын
That's what happened with Stephen king's carrie , I'm convinced hes right about the Jekyll and hyde destruction thing
@messajarjarbinks68534 жыл бұрын
completely agree with everything here. great video, any plans to review anything maybe non-sci fi in the future? again, great video
@Stubagful4 жыл бұрын
Yeah I've got plenty of ideas after I've got this season of dr who out the way. I wanna cover some horror, I really like Netflix's Haunting of Hill House
@messajarjarbinks68534 жыл бұрын
@@Stubagful great show I agree. If you ever want to watch a good action movie watch The Raid. It's so good im telling you
@Callum_26134 жыл бұрын
What’s your opinion on the most recent Inside No. 9 series? Or will there be a separate video on it?
@sammichael28133 жыл бұрын
HAHAHA, well that happened @4:49
@thefonzkiss4 жыл бұрын
60s Cybermen were scary because they had no emotion and were humans trapped by technology. Showing his face ruins that.
@Toby_Price4 жыл бұрын
4:48 I did not need to see that
@thewhovianwithasmallcollec73193 жыл бұрын
maxine for showrunner ngl love her
@hada__023 ай бұрын
I’m not sure about showrunner but she should definitely be brought back
@TheJaviferrol4 жыл бұрын
OH GOD, MY EYES 4:49
@ShamrockParticle4 жыл бұрын
Lone Cyberman is cool. Hated the lighting, it's all fifty shades of brown. The cyberium isn't even sci-fi to the point Harry Potter would laugh at it.
@TheWarpForge4 жыл бұрын
Huzzah! Finally a critical review worth watching in the fandom! Most other channels I watch just appear to want to shit on Chibnall and all this series stands for, so it's really nice not see someone ree down their microphone and talk about how Chibbers killed Doctor Who (Personally I find that Moffat did that a while ago, I enjoy Chibbers trying to reign in on Moffats wild years imo). My only critique was the more 'human side' of the Cyberman in this episode, I personally disliked how he was always angry all the time and wanted just everything to die. I feel there was potential to make him a truly tortured character, but he just comes off as a Dalek in a Cyber-body. If I were to write the character I would have made him into a bit of an arsehole but that's because he would have been in permanent pain from being only semi-converted. I wouldn't have made him a killer but more a character who tells the story of his life and how he is sentient but because of the Cyber-programming he gets no option but to follow the orders of Cyber Control. He knows what he's doing but is constantly conflicted on how he should feel, he signed up for the procedure still but because he's now seen what happens to those who refuse to convert, with all the programming stuck in his mind he doesn't know weather what he is doing is right or wrong. I feel if the episode took him in this light then it would tie-in a lot better with the Frankenstein inspiration.
@ealadubh48003 жыл бұрын
Rather have had the haunting of Vila Restal.
@TheSkully3434 жыл бұрын
Maybe its the finale clouding my judgement but this was a waste of an episode. Even forgoing the 8th Doctor stuff I liked the initial haunted house feel as rooms changed on a dime, Graham was seeing ghosts and the fact that it provided a very trippy atmosphere which had the companions disoriented and trying desperately to make sense out of chaos. Everything fell apart with the return of the Cyberman with anger issues being a generic "GRRRR! I AM THE MONSTER!!! GIMME PLOT DEVICE PLZ" growling all over the place and kinda feeling like a slap in the face compared to World Enough and Time. To me the Cybermen just don't really work as generic evil robot man who wants to take over the universe if they don't have the body horror to back it up and without spoiling anything I had higher hopes for the Cyberium being something of a next evolution for mass Cyber-conversion than what the episode gave us And for something involving Mary Shelley I was kinda expecting something a little more macabre than half face Cyberman with RAGE issues (thinking that it was gonna tie in with that whole irish cop thing in the next episode) but quite clearly that wasn't the case. For all my disappointments I was at least hoping to find out how Captain Barrowman found out about the lone Cyberman but that went nowhere so ultimately this episode had a great start and a decent ending... But knowing what happens ahead of time it kneecaps this episode's rewatchability knowing what it squandered and how disappointing the episodes to come are going to be.
@RegularCody4 жыл бұрын
God I hate The Lone Cyberman so much
@carealoo7444 жыл бұрын
Oh dear. I have this video disliked... I don't know if I should risk watching it again
@Stubagful4 жыл бұрын
I do kill a puppy at 3:52 so that's probably it
@carealoo7444 жыл бұрын
@@Stubagful Ah, my younger self was so naive! :)
@celtic51774 жыл бұрын
Just realised that Jack and seemingly everyone in canon has forgotten about Children of Earth, surely Jack would be extremely pissed at the doctor.
@EditedAF9873 жыл бұрын
Well the Doctor was never there in any of the other big Torchwood crises and yet Jack wasn’t mad at them for not helping then. If Jack had a space time telegraph like UNIT has and tried to call the Doctor with it but received no response then he’d definitely be mad though
@elliottwatt52974 жыл бұрын
I really don’t like the Lone Cyberman, it undercuts the main theme of the Cybermen that separates them from the Daleks, they’re not evil robots, they think they’re benevolent they think they’re doing the right thing by upgrading people. That’s also why I never got behind the “delete” catchphrase. The cybermen are really easy to f*ck up, RTD did it, Moffat did it most of the time bar the season 10 finale, and now Chibnall’s done it, but Chibnall’s f*cked everything else where at least the other two got mostly everything else right.
@jonathanskinner76474 жыл бұрын
Great review and all, but please stop playing the SCP music at the end of videos. I genuinely get PTSD from it. Could you change it to something more up beat, like, I don't know, Back in the 90s?
@DonHbankz4 жыл бұрын
So another writer/ doctor who extend media that Chibnall and his writer has stolen from
@eastlynburkholder35594 жыл бұрын
This is not really a story. The editing has destroyed the narrative thread that should run through these cool looking scenes, or more likely the writing that should have linked the visuals into plot line just was never there.
@TheGreatLordDufus4 жыл бұрын
Such a shame they started to get a few things right then series, then used the finale purely to shit on almost 60 years worth of story to make Who unwatchable ever again.