Head to Head: Moto Guzzi V85 TT vs 2020 Yamaha Tracer 700

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This week’s we compare two takes on the adventure touring motorcycle in the form of the Moto Guzzi V85TT and the new Yamaha Tracer 700.
With the recent global success of the adventure touring segment, it’s no surprise that pretty much every manufacturer across the globe has a machine to pique the interest of a rider looking for comfort, sporty on road dynamics and long range ability.
Two bikes that fit that bill nicely are the Moto Guzzi V85 TT and the new 2020 Yamaha Tracer 700.
But which makes the best all-round machine for riders looking for a little bit of everything?
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@stevenkelby2169 4 жыл бұрын

This might be an unpopular opinion. Controversial even, but I personally love McDonald's. Therefore, I would choose the Guzzi in that paint. I also like the bigger tank, better quality components and shaft drive.

@simonborg4343 4 жыл бұрын

Steven Kelby I prefer KFC myself. And the Yamaha.

@stevenkelby2169 4 жыл бұрын

@@simonborg4343 I would just love to dress up like Ronald McDonald and ride around on the Guzzi throwing cheeseburgers at people.

@user-sw2lv3zp6o 4 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't consider eating that shite, and I'd buy the Yamaha.

@wanionwombat9338 4 жыл бұрын

Bravo!

@derekbyrne5615 4 жыл бұрын

I don't eat McDonalds, but I'd go for the Guzzi, because shaft drive. Not a fan of chain drive. P.S. (@Visordown Motorcycle Vid) Guzzi is air cooled, not "liquid cooling"

@MattMirabile 4 жыл бұрын

The Guzzi, hands down! Way more competent off road and character the Tracer can't beat!

@barriereader9116 4 жыл бұрын

Had the v85tt (Ronald Mcdonald paint scheme of course) since April last year. Just coming up to 7000 miles and no issues at all. There is a recall I believe for a possible leaking seal on the drive shaft. No leaks on mine, but better safe than sorry eh. I have done a tour of Scotland two up with all the luggage fitted, again no problems at all. More than enough power, handling wasn't affected at all by the extra weight. It's a keeper this one.

@lakesbiker7286 Жыл бұрын

Are you still enjoying the v85tt Barrie?

@barriereader9116 Жыл бұрын

@@lakesbiker7286 Sadly had to sell it during the pandemic.

@oldphart916 4 жыл бұрын

With the Guzzi being the only shaft drive bike in the mid range "adventure" market it wins hands down.

@TheZedagaita 2 жыл бұрын

I tested a few bikes in the mid range adventure field, The Guzzi was my choice. At almost 60 years of age it offers me everything i was looking for on a mid range adventure machine

@luisfelipelagunarivero2699 4 жыл бұрын

If what you need is a weekend toy, any motorcycle will serve you acceptably well. Now, if what you want is a real machine for everything, Moto Guzzi is the answer. Cardan is for connoisseurs only.

@PaoloD2R2 4 жыл бұрын

The guzzi is a more mature, refined bike. With a character the yamaha can only dream of. And a good working shaftdrive. The yama is a very good bike, incredible value for money, very nice everyday bike. Cheaper, and it shows. I vote for the guzzi, but i'm biased. I'm italian, and i live 20 miles away from Mandello del Lario :-)

@dadmadforgot4050 4 жыл бұрын

Italy and it’s bikes are both beautiful!

@carlosandleon 3 жыл бұрын

Yamahas real character is its price. It would ve a firdt bike for many riders and that is exactly the "soul" Many riders will experience first

@prospecial 4 жыл бұрын

the shaft drive in the moto guzzi is unique in that class, perfect for long tours

@simonthomas5367 4 жыл бұрын

I loved both of these bikes whilst I was training for my A2. In the end, it was the exceptional value and superb CP2 engine that did it for me. I even got 700 Euros of the price when I negotiated at the main Yamaha dealer here in Lyon! Incredible. I use my Tracer every day as a commuter but after just 6 weeks of ownership, took it on a 1000km roadtrip from Lyon to Antibes along the Route de Napoleon, just before lockdown at the end of February this year! I'd optioned Yamaha's comfort seat and added a double USB port plus central stand. The topcase I'd kept from my old X-Max. It performed brilliantly! We did Lyon - Antibes in one day and, although tired, I wasn't uncomfortable due to the bike. Can't recommend this bike enough! Looks awesome in matt black with the blue alloys.

@neilhaughey6869 4 жыл бұрын

Shaft drive versus chain is another important consideration, that and the big tank may push some to see the Guzzi as a much more serious long distance machine. I would love to own either bike.

@ronaldwhite5670 4 жыл бұрын

I’m 67......*give me the Guzzi! If I was 20.....give me the Yammy!!!!

@TheG60528XiJinPing 3 жыл бұрын

I'm 18 and the guzzi is soooo much cooler imo

@alexsandovallapostol9998 3 жыл бұрын

Lol ! I am 62 yrs. I just bought the Travel version ! Its sweet ! Bomb proof motor, 6 gallon tank, drive shaft and heritage ! besides it came with all the lugguge ! I remember how sexy those twin heads were all chromed from the 1960's and it got to me...I was sold ! (like you, if I was a young man, I would probably get the KTM)

@huwlewis9153 4 жыл бұрын

I've ridden the Guzzi and loved it. What character the engine has!

@seandavey7792 4 жыл бұрын

I got an Ex-demo V85 for £9k a few weeks ago. Love it and the Sahara yellow looks authentic 1980's Enduro styling, wouldn't entertain any other colour. Looks head and shoulders above all of the other Adventure bikes and rides superbly

@marcjohnson7734 3 жыл бұрын

Ordered the guzzi last week,asked for Kalahari pant scheme,got told 2 month wait! Said no problem,to which dealer replied we got 1 coming in next week Sahara yellow would you like that if we threw $1000 of extras in of your choice ? I said 1 moment caller🤔 why yes sounds good to me!👌

@iallso1 4 жыл бұрын

If money was not an issue I too would favour the Moto Guzzi.

@MrAndrew1953 4 жыл бұрын

Guzzi wins for me with shaft drive and your grandchildren will be running in that engine.

@adnrider 4 жыл бұрын

Totally agree

@dhananjaimishra493 4 жыл бұрын

petrol would be depleted by then

@77archibald 2 жыл бұрын

Good review👍I tried them both and went for the Guzzi. Although a great bike I found Tracer physically small and I'm only 5ft 9. Although you pay a bit more for the Guzzi it looks and feels more premium, and you do get more for your money. And then there's that Guzzi character!

@JDeezle21 Жыл бұрын

I don't like changing chains and sprockets

@AleksiJoensuu 4 жыл бұрын

I think the styling diffrences alone will be enough to make up many buyers' minds. They do look WAY different 😄

@timphoto83ec 4 жыл бұрын

A BIG part of riding in your heart. Ride the bike that puts the bigger smile on your face. For me by far its the Guzzi.

@hekel1152 2 жыл бұрын

The Guzzi is not water cooled, there’s no radiator , it’s air cooled. That combined with shaft drive makes for a far less maintenance intensive bike.

@dustyroadsnl 4 жыл бұрын

I just ordered a Guzzi V85TT in that paint scheme so I am a bit biased to give an opinion.. 🤩 Oh by the way it's air cooled.

@gere7739 4 жыл бұрын

You'll be happy, I own one and its a good multiporpouse bike

@StEvel-bl4cr 3 жыл бұрын

I was reading this thread because of the "Liquid Cooled" statement.

@TheG60528XiJinPing 3 жыл бұрын

Very nice taste

@TheTrace8 2 жыл бұрын

I want the feel and the character, and the off-road. Though I'm a Honda fan deeply, right now, they aren't making a model that speaks to my motorcycle needs quite like that Guzzi. All the reviewers who share my tastes LOVE that Guzzi.

@raycollington4310 4 жыл бұрын

My old heart would go V85 and old brain would say Tracer. I was always told to let the Italians feed and clothe me and the Germans or Japanese supply the engineering. There is something appealing about the V85, shaft drive, push rods, traditional simplicity & character. Id like to know how build and component quality compares against the tracer!

@ampm9771 4 жыл бұрын

How it compares? All I can tell you is Tracer comes with shitty old telescopic forks and crappy brakes. That's all you need to know.

@interceptorm5 3 жыл бұрын

@@ampm9771 Can you back up your claim? Forks are not high end and brakes are perfectly adequate. I weigh 115kg and never had an issue with braking performance and I do ride at the pace. After I flushed my brake fluid braking performance greatly improved especially on the rear. Then, consider the price.

@ampm9771 3 жыл бұрын

@@interceptorm5 who spoke about being high end? Forks are short 1950s tech, outright dangerous like on mt07. Brakes are adequate? Yeah. At 50kph which japanese bikes makers expect you to ride at. I get it, you are too big of a fan to admit that this bike comes with crappy components and non-existent electronics and safety kit.

@mattbryonphoto2357 3 жыл бұрын

I take my v85tt in the ditch. No comparison. Also, I like looking at my bike in the garage. Once you go Guzzi you don’t go back! 2nd one for me

@motorcyclesplanet 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the honest review,I agree both are good bikes and over all even just based on the looks The Guzzi takes the Trophy plus the Shaft , Brembo brakes and usd forks , large capacity tank justify the pricier cost , So most would go for The guzzi if affordable IMO

@kennolte5801 3 жыл бұрын

No question for me. For an adventure bike, the MG is the way to go. Shaft drive and larger tank makes it the better choice. I've only ridden one of the V85TT and I was impressed with the build quality and overall ease of use with no bad habits of the bike found. In this case, my choice would be the MG everyday. Also there are plenty of accessories available for the V85TT.

@peterblue1100 4 жыл бұрын

The Guzzi does it for me! It’s got all I need and shaft v chain ? SHAFT less worry! But easy to live with .and can cover miles comfortably!

@davidbesant 4 жыл бұрын

The Guzzi engine is not transverse, it's in-line because the crankshaft is in-line with the bike. The Yamaha engine is transverse as the crank shaft goes across the bike.

@user-sw2lv3zp6o 4 жыл бұрын

Well-explained.

@twowheeler7203 4 жыл бұрын

Must admit I wasn't sure as I've often heard Guzzi's and Honda CX500 referred to as transverse. According to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-twin_engine your definition is correct unless one states a transverse v-twin, in which case the opposite is true. Typical lack of standardizaton

@mal-wx6tu 4 жыл бұрын

Generally known as a opposed Vtwin, while a BMW Boxer is a horizontally opposed flat twin.

@TheTrace8 2 жыл бұрын

Huh, I would think cars, that's the definition, but for 90%+ bikes out there, since the crankshaft goes side-to-side, that's the standard position. Anyway, we all know which way they each go! :)

@Delrada Жыл бұрын

True!

@frankpinion4937 4 жыл бұрын

MotoGuzzi V85TT for simplicity to work on thus saving $ as well if you don't do the work yourself & also reliability that the Guzzi's are wellknown for. I think also the Guzzi is a cooler looking bike.

@bikerbeliever8169 4 жыл бұрын

The v85 is a fantastic bike. However the tracer 700 is such an unbelievable value its crazy. Wish they would sell it in the states.

@vageliskoios1062 3 жыл бұрын

Moto guzzi any day!! Very beautiful classic look, shaft drive, very good build quality, better suspensions and brakes, bigger tank, cruise control and riding maps, very nice sound and an engine who will live for ever!!! No comparison!!

@BRAINFxck10 3 жыл бұрын

Motto Guzzi makes the best looking adventure bike by a long mile, it's a timeless beauty easy choice for me

@pistolpete6321 4 жыл бұрын

Great review, tough decision for sure. Can’t go wrong with either bike but I think I’d go with the Guzzi due to unique look and better fuel range for touring!

@visordown 4 жыл бұрын

Fair enough!

@johnworsley2967 4 жыл бұрын

I'm collecting my new V85TT this week. Am I excited? You bet!

@TheTrace8 2 жыл бұрын

Well, how did/do you like it?

@masterspin7796 4 жыл бұрын

Guzzi all the way...sometimes spending a little more money is a smarter choice...

@bernarddulmet4909 4 жыл бұрын

Unless I am wrong, I heard you saying after 2 minutes that the Guzzi is liquid cooled ? Definitely not. You totally overlook the pillion capability of both bikes. To reach a certain level of price, you need a certain level of financial resources, then you will probably be settled in life to afford these bikes and the 2-up riding might be a point to consider. This is systematically ignored by professional reviewers who spend the 2 days given to the press by the factories. I tested the former tracer 700 and found it had an excellent engine and all the rest was crappy plastic, with poor suspension and not confident inspiring. I tested the V85 and the general impression was way better, teh bike was much more planted on the road and made me totally confident. In the more economical end of this class I preferred ot the Tracer the much more homogeneous 650 V-strom , despite of the less accepted esthetics and the déjà-vu feeling. Maybe the improvements of new Tracer change the deal. This being said, your review is OK because the potential buyers will easily make their mind from what you say.

@_audacerider3838 4 жыл бұрын

Guzzi all the way!! But I a Guzzista myself so what can I say but a shaft drive and the 90 degrees Twin sound just get my everyday!

@UncleWally3 4 жыл бұрын

Well done and interesting comparison. At first I thought it was like comparing oranges and battleships, but there’s more similarities than I thought. But really, are there people whose purchase debates would actually boil down to these two bikes?

@allwheeldrive 4 жыл бұрын

When it came down to writing the check, yes, I would cross-shop these two, and a few others. But, one thing not mentioned is reliability. Yammies are legendary, and were recently rated as the most reliable brand. Moto Guzzi is *not* known for its reliability and did poorly on the rankings. Being able to crack off 300 miles at a time is impressive, but it doesn't help if you wait to ride it while it's in the shop.

@philipblunt3897 4 жыл бұрын

Guzzi all day

@johna6968 4 жыл бұрын

The new Tracer ticks more boxes for me, particularly the 700. I didnt like the Guzzis styling as soon as I saw it. The backup is another big factor.

@GloriasHubby 2 жыл бұрын

One thing I noticed that wasn’t mentioned that would make me lean towards the Guzzi is that it’s Shaft Drive. Maintenance Free. Change 4oz of Gear Oil every 20K…

@mal-wx6tu 4 жыл бұрын

A strange review here, the Tenere 700 is the bike you should be comparing with Moto Guzzi V85TT, the Tracer is road only not Adventure Sport.

@jaccopaauw1630 4 жыл бұрын

I like the Guzzi best, but I would really want them to make a 1200 cc version. So the V120TT for me!

@sandromich.5455 3 жыл бұрын

I agree..

@vinjofin1972 2 жыл бұрын

1000 cc would be enough

@djsomers100 Жыл бұрын

Have '22 V85 Centenario. Love it. No second thoughts. Wonderful bike.

@robertprosser6856 4 жыл бұрын

Why do journalists get so many facts and figures so wrong! MCN being the most guilty it's like they don't have an editor checking what's being wrote before it goes to print!🤦‍♂️

@ragerider6283 4 жыл бұрын

Nice vid. If money isn't an issue as such, it's the Moto Guzzi all day long for me. It's classier, cooler, & more exclusive but of course you pay for it.

@visordown 4 жыл бұрын

Right on!

@luvsallbikes279 4 жыл бұрын

How would the v strom’s do against these 2 ? Say the most you would ever do is a gravel road and take day trips with a passenger..nice review, thank you

@visordown 4 жыл бұрын

That's a good one. At the moment we have a comparison between the Tracer 700 and the V-Strom: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bqiTdK6rzZ_RmZs.html

@rzu7120 4 жыл бұрын

Visordown Motorcycle Videos Thanks for the link. I missed that one.

@iallso1 4 жыл бұрын

@@visordown I will take a look at that, I own a DL650XA, and a colleague owns a 2018 Tracer 700.

@endurojimmy3109 2 жыл бұрын

Good review. I think that most people who want more out of a motorcycle than just a mode of transport would go for the Guzzi. Also the Guzzi can be self maintained by any reasonably competent owner, and the resale value is much higher than the Yamaha, so less depreciation over time.

@TheTuxMaster 2 жыл бұрын

Regarding the length of the driver, I'm 182, or in the ancient historical Imperial system, I'm 6'1 ", I sit really well on Guzzi! I'm used to a R1150GS. Guzzi every day of the week! About Yamisen, no experience, no reviews.

@tyroy57 4 жыл бұрын

Italian style and character in a modern incarnation, no contest.

@interceptorm5 3 жыл бұрын

Add to that big repair bills and you have got a winner. I'll stick with my bulletproof Yamaha.

@MrTrek164 4 жыл бұрын

Nice review and on a quality front I would take the MG and the fact that there is more seating room for pillion riding .Yes the yam looks far better with its updates and is lighter with that great motor ,which I agree will be appearing in many more incarnations in the future .I see the cp2 in a similar guise to the ninja 650 .

@tealbunny 3 жыл бұрын

Ease of maint guzzi x 10. longer range , shaft drive ,cruise control ,long range comfort. Ride safe Ride free friend. Love my Guzzi.

@motor81m 3 жыл бұрын

The V85tt is a very nice bike and is designed for long trips. With an air-cooled engine, cylinders that are easy to access for maintenance and a gimbal, it makes this bike a true adventure. If you are looking for that in a motorcycle then this is the one. Yamaha as always is the best in performance, but it tires in the long run.

@jeffruebens8355 4 жыл бұрын

Also the Kawasaki Versys 650, and the Suzuki V-Strom 650.

@interceptorm5 3 жыл бұрын

Judging by the comments plenty of old folks here and prefer this Froguzzi. I am 53 and am on the opposite end of fun. Had Original Tracer for almost 4 years and loved the CP2 motor with all its grunt and deep powerful sound. Handling was also excellent. However, some of us ride bikes because we want that bit of fear you'll never experience in the car which is why I moved up to Tracer 900 GT, and boy, I can't stop laughing while riding, that's how much the power of that triple CP3 and noises it creates are addictive. Yes, likely no bike is perfect but Yamaha with their CP range is just unbeatable.

@willisbcteoh9840 3 жыл бұрын

Honest review. I bought the V85TT...Mac Donald's was my choice .... andiamo

@scottygdaman 4 жыл бұрын

Seems to me you would want/need every engine guard crash skid radiator pad bar plate you can get or make for the M.G.

@WillPower46 4 жыл бұрын

I love the Moto Guzzi, but there is very little support in NZ for Italian bikes so I would never buy another Italian machine. I'm still waiting for a warranty part thats been coming "next month" from MV Agusta for 5 years now....thank you Prestige Motorcycles in Tauranga, hopeless.

@PaoloD2R2 4 жыл бұрын

my friend, i'm italian, i know what u are talking about. MV Agusta is renowed for making supreme bikes that will let you stranded everywhere, everytime. And waiting for MONTHS for parts even here in Italy, and i live 50 miles away from the factory in Schiranna. I feel your pain.

@WillPower46 4 жыл бұрын

@@PaoloD2R2 Ah thank you for the reply, it was nice to read your comment,

@cryptotron 4 жыл бұрын

Hard to choose until you came to gravel road and start to walk by your tracer. What a yoyo's caling tracer adv bike! Did Yamaha sponsored this video?

@arthurpendragon9079 4 жыл бұрын

I would love to see the Guzzi as a dedicated road bike, with solid wheels and a full fairing.

@visordown 4 жыл бұрын

Maybe one day!

@chromharpman148 4 жыл бұрын

I agree, and also tubeless tyres!

@boo-boo511 4 жыл бұрын

Agree. The tarmac/pavement is where most of these bikes will be ridden, tubeless and cast option would be good to see.

@falcn12 2 жыл бұрын

They now have the V100 coming. I hope they make a V100TT and also keep the V85TT

@windy33a 4 жыл бұрын

I have the first gen Tracer but I hanker for the V85

@visordown 4 жыл бұрын

Both very good bikes

@hiltonmcconnell2563 3 жыл бұрын

I would go with the Moto Guzzi V85 TT Travel, if there was a dealer around hear one would be in my stable. It comes with all the features you need and not over loaded with stuff I would never use. Also one of the best looking bikes at the same time. Come on Motor Guzzi put a dealer on PEI Canada, we have the perfect roads for the V85 TT

@Mike-zh7xe 4 жыл бұрын

tracer all they way. much slimmer than what i had in mind for my second bike (cb500x, nc750x, verys). yes it is the priciest of them all, but well worth it. perfectly capable for 2 up aswell. love it

@derekbyrne5615 4 жыл бұрын

Current bike is a NC750x DCT, upgrading to the Guzzi, only because of lovely torque and shaft drive - never been a fan of chain drive :)

@brayvdb2191 3 жыл бұрын

Is it really good for 2 up? I'm in between Africa twin and the guzzi

@kenshiro882002 4 жыл бұрын

Good review! Now I cannot readily decide which one to get! I wonder how they measure up in the long run..in terms of reliability and maintenance costs..

@pimpthyride 4 жыл бұрын

I too am in the same situation. If I wanted the cheapest I would go for the Kawasaki versys 650 or the Yamaha Tracer 700. For a little more you can get the Moto Guzzi V85TT or the KTM 790 adevnture... buuuut. for a little more you can get the Yamaha Tracer 900. And for a little more you can get the Ducati Multistrada 950 S or the Triumph Tiger 900 GT. And baaam. you just ended up spending double you wanted to. Decisions decisions. Damn.

@kentoxymoron6857 4 жыл бұрын

The best bike reviews on KZfaq, keep up the great work 👍

@visordown 4 жыл бұрын

Glad you like them!

@AlexEdwards1973 2 жыл бұрын

Just bought the V85TT :-)

@billh4301 Жыл бұрын

No one caught the spec note you call the Guzzi "liquid cooled"? Darn, I bought it because it is air cooled. Other than the tubeless wheels on 21 models I like the engine specs on my 20 model. I had Guzzi Griso 8V 1200 and have appreciated Moto Guzzi class and quality since.

@allwheeldrive Жыл бұрын

The Guzzi has a longitudinal engine config. The crank runs front-to-back. That said, this rig is the choice if you're looking for an actual tourer.

@mitsospouliezos6289 4 жыл бұрын

I WILL BUY THE GUZZI -- FOR THE BIGER TANK FOR THE KARDAN AND FOR THE BETTER LOOK --- THE YAMAHA IS LIKE A TOY FOR YOUNGER PEOPLE AND THE GUZZI IS FOR MEN --

@ewooll 4 жыл бұрын

Isn't it air cooled, the Guzzi? Looks a very nice bike.

@robertprosser6856 4 жыл бұрын

That's what I thought air cooled?

@adnrider 4 жыл бұрын

Really good!

@mikaellundsrensen6108 4 жыл бұрын

Yes , it's air cooled.

@khakimzhanmiras 4 жыл бұрын

Air cooled and dry clutch in true Italian fashion

@willisbcteoh9840 3 жыл бұрын

Moto Guzzi hands down

@craigmayall7513 4 жыл бұрын

Something I don't quite understand is why reviewers never ever mention the reliability of the bikes they ride. So the Moto Guz is better for going around the planet BUT would it need repairing every 5000km? Probably. They are not renowned for their reliability. Lets be honest here. Yamaha are THE best of any brand when it comes to reliability. Surely that is worth mentioning?? It's just something I (as an end user) really consider as vitally important. Something that seems to be lost on the test riding community globally. That's why the MSF is so good.

@lorcangreene5828 4 жыл бұрын

I don’t know what you base your assertions on (repairing every 5000km????) I’ve been riding Guzzis for over 40 years and that’s not been my experience, otherwise I’d have given up on them. I’ve also had Hondas, Yamaha, KTM and a BMW GS 1200, the only bike that I had to abandon at the side of the road. I’m always amazed at the prejudices people hold in their heads. And I’ve happily invested in a new Moto Guzzi V85TT, Ronald McDonald colour scheme and all. 👍

@sjoukedijkstra7110 4 жыл бұрын

No experience with Guzzi ownership i presume?

@nikdimi4307 3 жыл бұрын

The Guzzi made 100 % in Europe! Almost famaly handmade, and butique bike and brand. I have my 85 from 2019, and o'man, this mashine have, a soul! Such a charactar! Beautiful style, and perfect turer. Yes, is not race bike, and much prisy, but very realable and good qulity. Evrey singal part is wel made, whit good matirial and plastic :)

@drewmorg. 4 жыл бұрын

WHY isn't the Tracer 700 offered in the US? The FJ-09 (Tracer 900) is, but the 700 is not! This bike looks incredible, and I want it specifically for that motor. But my suspicions are this, they know that "touring" in America is just too much road for this bike to handle. Highway speeds of 80mph for hundreds of miles sometimes I just get the feeling it's the wrong market entirely for the Tracer 700. I know people "do it" on their MT-07s and such but I just don't think the motor was built for it. There is less opportunity, overall, to use the back road potential of the T700 when you factor in 50 miles of highway between every destination.

@user-sw2lv3zp6o 4 жыл бұрын

The Yamaha 689 cc engine could easily cope with 80 mph all day. Jesus, my XT500 could do it in the 80s.

@drewmorg. 4 жыл бұрын

@@user-sw2lv3zp6o It's not really about "can it do it"... but can it do it without fatiguing the rider in the process. If the revs are cranking and it's in the peak of its powerband at 75-80mph which are standard highway speeds the bike's throttle response is going to feel pretty twitchy. This is all speculation however, and I'm aware you can gear the bike down to better accommodate the highway speeds. Again, like I said, people "do it" but maybe Yamaha just sees their Tracer 900 as the better tool for the job?

@masongoss4615 4 жыл бұрын

I have to say, I haven’t tried the new tracer but I owned an XSR700 with the same engine and rode the previous edition tracer. The new one looks much nicer and is apparently better handling. tried the Guzzi and I just don’t get it. Rather than a good overall package it really felt to me like old technology. No doubt it has character, but for me it’s the same reason that I don’t drive an old Landrover to work everyday. For some it will be exactly what they are looking for, but for me the Yamaha is a better bike for less money.

@colleenbuchanan8247 4 жыл бұрын

are you sure you got on the right bike!!

@tonibeitlich9948 4 жыл бұрын

The Moto Guzzi is, what the Yamaha wanted to be.

@interceptorm5 3 жыл бұрын

Put Guzzi against Tenere 700 and then see how that pends out.

@grahamwright8447 2 жыл бұрын

Ok review but since when was the Guzzi liquid cooled ? I have one and I am ready to change but cannot find anything with the same level of build quality or class.

@nickclarkuk 4 жыл бұрын

Has the Tracer got the same cheap pressed steal swing arm as the MT07 ? I would need to hear about improved corrosion resistance before spending my money on one .

@albertserramontmany 3 жыл бұрын

It's an aluminum swingarm

@brayvdb2191 3 жыл бұрын

Aluminium doesn't rust naturally but after driving in salted roads in winter it wil definitely rust

@thealvaco 4 жыл бұрын

I thought the Guzzi was aircooled

@pimpthyride 4 жыл бұрын

It is.

@travelinben1966 4 жыл бұрын

Guzzi for the win!👍

@vininio 4 жыл бұрын

Moto Guzzi is NOT liquid cooling! Should I believe in anything else then?

@stunna7807 3 жыл бұрын

I thought I was the only one who heard that.

@gavinhassett479 3 жыл бұрын

@@morgan98801 but then every combustion engine would be liquid cooled? He definitely gaffed. It is an air cooled engine... but yes there is also an oil product in the engine. Oil and lubricates, provides soen cooling

@OscarCalvete 3 жыл бұрын

Moto Guzzi V85TT, that is my choice, I have another Yamaha and I love them in general, for the described purpose, I choose the Guzzi

@jean-pierosgriccia4520 3 жыл бұрын

Guzzi. Hands down

@allwheeldrive 4 жыл бұрын

Two real-world demerits for the V85, besides the sizable cost difference: dealer network and reliability. Otherwise, it would be the choice.

@user-sw2lv3zp6o 4 жыл бұрын

Agreed, plus the tubed-tyres.

@barryolaith 4 жыл бұрын

John, what's the reliability issue?

@twowheeler7203 4 жыл бұрын

I've got an MT07 and love it but I've also owned a Guzzi and ridden many of them. In the old days electrics were a problem but engines are pretty sturdy and being well know technology I imagine still very easy to work on. Be interesting to know what you reckon the reliability issues are? I'll definately grant you that Yamaha network is much more established. For me I'd agree that choosing one would probably depend on type of riding, whether it's mostly commuting or frequent long rides As other have said shaft is great for the miles.

@ampm9771 4 жыл бұрын

What reliability? if if anything, the Guzzi is far more reliable than than that plasticky Tracer. Boy, the Japanese have brainwashed their fans to the core. I bet they gonna believe them if these paid youtubers told them that Japanese bikes run on nuclear fuel and that earth is a cube.

@barkinsahin 2 жыл бұрын

Shaft drive, bigger tank, rear rack are MG's +s Resale value, sportier look and better handling for Yamaha. But I'd go for a Vstrom 650 😊

@arodrigues1544 4 жыл бұрын

Can you compare the vstorm 650 vs versys 650 vs tracer 700? Thanks.

@visordown 4 жыл бұрын

It's a good one. We note it. Thanks for watching.

@75619630 4 жыл бұрын

Ive always wanted a Guzzi! dealers are few and far...

@rzu7120 4 жыл бұрын

The downside to the Moto Guzzi is the very limited dealer network.

@jroberthadden 4 жыл бұрын

...and the terrible support from the factory. Dealers are dropping like flies. Too bad. Guzzis are terrific bikes.

@pipingmad11 4 жыл бұрын

Why not compare the Tracer 900 with the Guzzi??? They have the same engine size. Sort of pointless with a smaller bike.

@oldfield7577 4 жыл бұрын

Guzzi makes Opa great again !!!

@bombombimbim440 Жыл бұрын

Guzzi is reliable, timeless design, unique engine!!!!

@rio0045 4 жыл бұрын

A cross country trip. We have to consider the bulletproof build of a Honda/Yamaha against the 'not that reliable' Italian ones. Also maintenance will be far more easier and cheaper in the case with the Japanese machines. So - we are getting all these advantages along with that 3k savings. What can be the choice considering these terms?

@ampm9771 4 жыл бұрын

Japanese reliability is a myth of the past. Japanese bikes are now made out of cheap plastic and outdated inline4 or parallel twins made in 1970s. 😅 it makes me laugh when uninformed masses speak about modern Italian bikes being unreliable. There are moto guzzis made in 1950 are still floating around with ease. This v85tt would go round the world with no problem, its engine been running for over 60 years without a single blip. Japanese reliability 😅

@donaldelder540 4 жыл бұрын

Amir Rad do you have any facts to back up your opinion? I thought not. Pretending to have a higher iq than the “uninformed masses” is laughable. When you noted that the Japanese engines are out dated from the 70’s, did you ever stop and think how old the Italian V2 engine design is, be that ducati or Moto guzzi,

@ampm9771 4 жыл бұрын

@@donaldelder540 50-60 years DOHC inline4 screamers with zero character that sound like vacuum cleaner. Japanese didn't even know what ABS is until their lawyers told them that by law they cannot sell bike without it. Japanese still sell bikes in 2020 with ancient telescopic forks (Mt07, tracer 700, Vstrom 650...etc, CB500) and axially mounted brakes and off the shelf spongy brakes. They still put on 1950s lcd technology on their bikes. Now Honda recently put inverted lcd screen on their 2020 bikes! Yamaha still doesn't know what traction control or riding mode is (Tenere 700, Tracer 700, Mt07), cornering ABS is still unknown there. Japanese bikes covered with cheap and nasty plastic and monstrous exhaust can. not to mention tiny fuel tanks 😅

@sjoukedijkstra7110 4 жыл бұрын

If there ever was an easy to maintain engine, it's an aircooled Guzzi Vtwin.

@devilishloki 4 жыл бұрын

Amir has no idea what he is talking about. Yamaha just recently won the award for most reliable bike

@paulchambers2296 3 жыл бұрын

Luvin’ the Guzzi!

@JDeezle21 Жыл бұрын

V85 TT Travel ♥

@user-sw2lv3zp6o 4 жыл бұрын

Tubed tyres on the MG. That's enough to put me off. And then there's the price. 6:09 I take it that's how they get the Tracer through emissions 5. Are MGs totally reliable?

@PaoloD2R2 4 жыл бұрын

usually guzzi engines last forever: low revving, modest power and easy old school mantainance. I have a 2019 V7 III and zero problems at all in 10.000+ miles.

@jimdekorne3724 4 жыл бұрын

27000+ miles on my 2016 eldorodo no problems.

@falcn12 2 жыл бұрын

New ones have tubeless spoked rims, but there is nothing wrong with tubes on an Adv bike.

@user-sw2lv3zp6o 2 жыл бұрын

@@falcn12 You wouldn't want a puncture at speed on tubed tyres.

@falcn12 2 жыл бұрын

@@user-sw2lv3zp6o I have ridden on tubed tires and have a bike that still has them, no big deal. I carry patch kits and spare tube when going off-road on the Adv bike that has tubes in the tires. I've changed tubes in the woods. Not sure what the big hubbub is supposed to be? My dual sport also has tubes.

@JohnDoe-dp4kx 3 жыл бұрын

Strange comparison...both bikes have a few in comon actually. The Italian will be more of a tourer and way better for the offroad. But the best buy for your money is the Tracer IMO, not to mention the accelerations compared to which the Guzzi seems anemic. And for the inner city, the Yamaha hands down! It rides like a bicycle and its CP2 engine is so much fun! Therefore, the Italian looks good but its value for money is way behind the one of the Yamaha.

@ericbyers9554 4 жыл бұрын

It would be the guzzi for me

@michaelcarroll8564 3 жыл бұрын

Had to stop watching as his pronunciation of Guzzi was driving me mad..He should know better. The double 'z' is pronounced the same way as in pizza for god's sake. Sorry just OCD kicking in....