For when one does not walk they get out of shape and die of heart failure!

And Emet, of course only showing a fraction of his true feelings about the situation

He was smiling but you can see his eyes were about to cry as he turned around.

Yup. Dagger through the heart. Then I remember Emet was always about bringing back his loved ones that he had lost in ShB, and now you know it’s Hythlodaeus (and prob Azem too) he thought of and omg I love Hythlo too please have mercy on my soul.

We knew from SHB that Hytlo was part of that group of sacrifice, given Emet recreated him in Amaurot

It really makes sense why the simulacrum of Hythlodeus in Amourot is so unique. Emet really put that copy with so much of his memories of the original.

he doesnt remember us. his memory was wipe from his arrival, therefore he never met us.

@@hxsm8090 at that point of the story you have two sources that say that once a soul goes back into the aetheric sea it loses any kind of memory modification. One is Mointichaigne from the forum and the other is Hythlodaeus

REMEMBER US. REMEMBER THAT WE ONCE LIVED. *tears*

@@hxsm8090 someone didnt pay attention

@@hxsm8090 Come on man, I skipped most of the cutscenes during my race to server first and even *I* knew this.

Not just that. He was angry at what he'd become in the process and, likely, what he'd resorted to doing in his attempts to restore the star.

His reaction crushed me.

Yup. That also explains why Venat and Hythlodaeus didn't flatly reject our tale, but instead wondered what pieces of the puzzle they were missing because they could tell it is true, or at least truth of a different timeline.

///Spoilers ahead for up to Elpis's end of story\\\ There's more. Think about his pride, and how it's shattered after hearing all of what he did. It's all the more poignant when we see the last time Emet-Selch and Hythlodaeus speak before Emet's best friend is sacrificed to Zodiark, just as we said would happen. And he will not remember what he'll resort to. He won't remember that he'll do things that are abhorrent to his people and the meaning returning to the star means in their society. All Emet is left with is the cold, shattered memories of the past. A past that he relived for a thousand, thousand life times. Watching those Venat shattered into fourteen pieces scurry about, like rats to him. This story shows Emet at a time before he surrendered to sophistry arguments himself, despite him accusing Hermes of it. That mankind no longer held the same potential as the ancients is incorrect. Because we have to struggle for our happiness, we cherish it. We do not mourn it the same way that the ancients did. Instead of accepting their pain, they tried to shield themselves from it. Tried to drown out the sorrow to return to their paradise. Venat, unable to convince anyone of the truth of things, did the only thing that she could. Learning that so many other civilizations made the mistake of trying to obtain a form of perfection, Venat did the only thing that she could: she broke our Icarus wings before we could even make them and forced mankind to grow strong for their own sake. That's how I see it.

@@saitouhajime3 "To live is to suffer" takes on a whole new gleaming shine, in light of this comment.

I think its not quite as simple as that. He knew that you weren't lying but that in and of itself doesn't mean what I am saying is true. Someone who is crazy that believes something will not appear to be lying because they aren't. Whilst the lying thing may play a small part in it, I think its just the fact that whilst he immediately baulks at the idea of him acting like that... as he states himself, all that time, alone... the depair that would wrought on a man. Its his intelligence and understanding of himself that makes him realise that despite it seeming ridiculous he would ever act that way, he also appreciates the devestation such events would have on him.

@@GamerFlair I mean the only way to get around the lying thing would be to basically speak without saying anything, but what we told him wasn't just blabber, it was a pointed story about specifically what happens in the future, and he knows that if you aren't lying, it has to be the truth

​@@arseniykorchevskiy1564 He knows that we believe what we are saying is the truth. That doesn't mean it actually IS the truth. To tell a lie to to state something you KNOW is untrue. If what you know is wrong, you can say something factually incorrect, without telling a lie. Hermes, Emet and Hytho can all state Meteion was destroyed, without triggering any lie detection for anyone. Even though that is a clearly false statement. Because they believe that they saw her destroyed. Its not a lie, as thats what they remember. He knows you aren't lying, but theres multiple reasons for why you might believe that story despite it being false. Not Lying doesnt automatically equal the actual truth.

When is that mentioned?

@@Firestar-rm8df It's during elpis, before the events that lead to the dungeon. It's when they are discussing Hermes just before bringing him in on the big secret.

A lot of his lines are, imho, deliberately contradictory to his Amaurot lines. "Who are you to decide who lives and who dies" is another very particular one that flies in the face of the Emet-Selch we knew in ShB. It's really meant to show how far he fell, as I see it.

@@VorAbaddon for sure, he even has the line about shuddering to think about shouldering the burden for a thousand thousand years, and he wound up the least mentally broken unsundered imo.

@@VorAbaddon IMO, It perfectly highlights just what a thousand, thousand lifetimes of pain, suffering, and grief can do to even the noblest of souls. That's why Emet is such a fantastic antagonist in my eyes (I will not call him a villain). He's a perfect example that any of us, in the wrong circumstances, could be driven to do terrible things for the people we love. "Now do you see why we yearn for the Great Rejoining? For our world...our people...for all of Creation to be made whole again. Wouldn't you wish for the same?"

To be fair, the Emet we saw in Amarot didn't remember what he said to us before he got his memory wiped.

@@theeternalshade2981 Another example is Themis, there is no way a sweet endearing boy like Themis can end up like a megalomaniac genocidal Elidibus, but he did. That's what thousand and thousand years of loneliness, sadness can did to a person. I won't be suprise if scion especially Thancres would do that too if they have immortal life time while been through devastating loss like Amaurotine does.

OMFG I DIDNT PUT THAT TOGETHER UNTIL YOU SAID IT. CRYING NOW💔💔💔

The re-watchability of this game, man! The "lands that stretched on forever" speech also didn't strike me as much the first time, but re-watching others' playthrough and getting to that part made me emotional.

And Emet is the one that grumbles every time, but never refuses to go along for the ride.

@@FF-tp7qs With Azem, they're basically the embodiment of the laughing wolves meme.

@@baokapow Hythlodaeus-Emet-Azem.

@@baokapow no idea what that meme is

@@FF-tp7qs its a classic image of three wolves, two of whom look like they're cackling wildly and the the third who looks incredibly annoyed.

This was supposed to be a setup for a version of Eureka that never came to be; the idea of Eureka was repurposed into what we know it as today, and Ishikawa integrated it instead into Meteion's plot.

@@sleepythemis Wow, that kind of makes it even more impressive.

@@sleepythemis I think that one of the FF14 writing team's greatest strength (and very underappreciated) is their ability to take mistakes or errors from the past and work it into their current stories. The Morse Code from the Crystal Tower is one example, as is how the devs worked in the FF14 Legacy trailer into Endwalker. I think one of the best examples of this is how they worked the Shadowkeeper into the story. She shows up in the FF14 Legacy trailer as one of the dark-skinned Elezen, and had been intended to be one of the Warriors of Light. However, there was a miscommunication where the team doing the trailer thought that SHE was the Elezen BLM, who was supposed to be a male Elezen. As such, she ended up being left behind as one of those things that had been abandoned in the story in the switch between Legacy and 2.0. At least until we got to Shadowbringers, when you can see her back with the Warriors of Light from the First as a party member in the flashbacks we get from the Role Quests.

@@roetheboat1 It's something a lot of long-haul writers could learn a lesson from. Leaving yourself small windows and opportunities that can be used even if you can't even imagine what for, just yet.

@@sleepythemis I love writing and someone once told me to only explain necessary things. To leave things more vague aside from that and to not go too much into detail to leave myself more wiggle room and options, even if I don't think it necessary at the moment of writing. I'm so very grateful for that advice and will always be.

I never wanna play a story written by another person again, because it will just be meh or more than often, dogshit. I can count on two hands the amount of media, in any form, holds up to her multifaceted storytelling

Agree on that outlook. This reminds me of Ichinose Kuon from Persona 5 Strikers. Kuon desires to know what a "heart" mean, due to the masses finding her "wierd". The creation of EMMA base code to a genius engineer, creating it as a lifestyle app, but also secretly a revenge tool, capable of mass cognition time-space distortions. Due to those factors, Kuon take it as humanity desires eternal escapism from mistreatment, resulting in a huge time-space distortions. However, this outlook not only endangers humanity's mass mentality, directing to self destruction, but also likely render the past generations Persona teams efforts to protect the futures down the drain/useless. This is taking into mind despite each generation battles being different in terms of methods/themes/executions/domains, they are still interconnected in terms of Jungian Psychology.

Something else to ponder. Meteion is the other side of the coin, from the rogue machine AI. Driven by logic to determine an answer. However, she's devoid of logic, and gives the same conclusion by sheer emotion.

////// SPOILER \\\\\\\\ i also absolutely LOVED the way the first thing that Meteion tells you, is the first thing you get in Final Fantasy XIV altogether : "Hear Feel Think", she wants to hear you, share your feelings and know your thoughts, That's what Meteion *needs*, someone who can understand her and that wish of her. a friend. that's who Venat/Hydaelyn needs you to become. hence why she's asking you this before you become her Warrior of Light.

Yes. All this time, Answers was the song of the end of the ancients.

OMGF...Hear, feel, think! It all fucking make sense!

Now take a look at Hydaelyn's character model and Meteion's character model ;)

@fumanchu168 I mean, clearly this is just a copy of Zerith Mortis, right? Precursor copies of creatures being refined before creation, an origination zone... My gosh, WoW looks like a pathetic joke in comparison.

@fumanchu168 And can you believe how quickly we got through it? Clearly too easy to understand. That zone needed to drag us onward with another dozen weeks of timegated content.

It's about to be 2023 and I'm STILL watching videos of reactions to my favorite parts of each expansion, or watching livestreams of people playing this stupid majestic game. Emotional vampirism, yay!

Same with a certain someone at the end of Endwalker. They were asking not only if you found fulfillment to your character, but if you found fulfillment playing the game. Even just thinking about it is making me tear up. Endwalker is a love letter to the fans.😭❤️

It has, yes. I have enjoyed this journey.

I still doubt her (just reached lvl 89 of MSQ). Hydaelyn isn't Venat (I don't think).

@@apharys8921 Venat is Hydaelyn, Just like how Ysale was shiva. Venat become the heart, thus becoming the primal

i had the exact same reaction, i felt so horrible for doubting her. i imagine my character was distraught because all she really wanted was more time to speak and be with venat ;-;

I took the end of the cut scene as her slowly giving into despair. We'll see.

@@edumont88 I took it as being the times the other worlds fell, the 7 umbral eras

Just realize Hytholodeus has different reaction based on your character race

Does that mean Emet is the bottom and he has experienced different sizes?

@@asterfield02 Calm down.

​@@averagehololiveenjoyer8496 I play as a bunboy and when I was doing a quest with Meteion one Ancient assumed I am the same thing as her because I look human and have ears of a beast :p

@@xviii5780 Yep, that dialog gets cracked out for the Mi'qote and Hrothgar as well. I'm curious what comment the Roe or Elezen get.

Same

I'd held back hysterical sobbing thru the 'oh no Meteion has a bad answer' part until that moment. And then I just slapped a hand on my monitor and cried.

Another thing from that scene, is that emet walked out because he was offended by your story, but earlier it was said that anyone on the convocation knows when someone is lying so he actually walked off because he knew you were telling the truth not because he didn’t believe you

@@arseniykorchevskiy1564 yeah he walked off because he was pissed off, not because he didn't buy our story. He was pissed that how did such a thing even came to pass in the future under his watch.

I loved them and Hythlodaeus all. I was so excited to get to do a dungeon with them as well.

wait......WHAAAT????

Wtf. Really??!!

Yes, that made me very uneasy :P

@@coyote271280 yup and it ends with the words of the very last verse, which leads into the cutscene. The cutscene also ends with those words of the song, “Thou must live, die, and know”. Ishikawa more or less took answers and developed the plot of Elpis from it, true genius

Yep. Two of them in particular. “Words Without Sound” and “Thou Must Live, Die and Know”. I didn’t notice words without sound originally, only just now, but when I saw Thou must live die and know, I recognized it instantly because that’s one of the lyrics in Answers that hit me the most. As soon as I saw that quest name I was like “Welp, I’m about to cry aren’t I?”

I always thought it was quite out of character for him to help us at that point in time, but now we know.

Crystal Mom was fantastic!! Elpis was honestly one of my favorite zones to go through, through the whole game.

@@cyradus Venat scene that she walked through darkness. If you look closely of what she said. Its all about Answer lyrics. actually the whole theme of Elpis itself is all about Answer of question that "why given life for just to suffer and die".

This is one of the key reasons when the Wow devs say 'It was the jailer the whole time' we can look at it for what it is. A lazy retcon without direction.

They basically wrote an entire expansion based on that song.

@@boohennessy4638 specially if we listen closely to the Devs *"lore"* I can't really buy that, because again what's his motives because the whole *"I'm gonna reset the universe"* are typical anti hero tropes because they lost everything or they want to make it a better place while villain typically want to destroy the universe rather than reset it.

@@IchbinX Even better is, in my opinion, every single expansion pack had Answer's lyrics meaning something different. Every expansion pack, if you were to read the lyrics, you could say 'oh, that's the reference here!'. And now that we played that finale scene, it's like we were looking through a peeping hole, and now the door shattered and we can finally see the song for what it is and what it means!

Still does for me

@@Pmak I cried myself to bed that night from thinking back on it.

IT BECAME META WHEN SHE SAID AS IMPERFECT BEINGS, WE FIND OUR MEANING IN LIFE WHILE SUFFERING TO LIVE THEN KNOWING WE HAVE TO DIE. SHIT HIT ME LIKE A TON OF BRICKS.

1000% this

Super strong female character that is strong-willed, highly competent, adventurous, but also, feminine, caring, and full of humor. Venat is not just a strong female, she is our strong mama.

@fumanchu168 It's probably when Zodiark had stabilized Etheirys, so to speak, so while the creation magics of the Ancients were no longer going rampant, the world was still probably in pretty bad shape.

@fumanchu168 this scene does not represent a real time event and its meant to be seen as multiple timelines happening at ones. When she walks the street no one notices her and its just a memory telling. The confronting is a story telling that she tried to convince them not to sacrifice more after zodiark was summonend, but at the same time showing the events of the sundering as hydelynn

@@MenrvaS this description becomes 10-fold more accurate when you move to the Japanese performance. All of these traits are embodied so fully in the voice actress's performance in Japanese. She is the most motherly figure I have seen and heard in any performance. Such a fantastically designed and portrayed character.

actually thanks to her reporting that, or nobody will know about tragedy that befalls the stars across universe.

@@kumomeme7852 Midgardsormr knew. Our star was the last refuge of hope.

cats and buns get comments about their ears/beastial features

For Roegadyn he does note "But did you have to make it so large?"

Au Ra get comments about their horns and scales a little later in the questline too.

So, as a highlander hyur, I get nothin?

@@ianharac5153 Did he say anything about artistic liberties for you? Because thats what he says for my Elezen Charachter

Emet-Selch best character! Fight me!

@@Cooil1 They both are! 🖤🤍🙌👌

I have to agree with Batman. While Venat has a special place in my heart, this expack raised Emet-Selch to a whole new level.

Hard to deny it

Venat's a bit overpowered, imo.

To be fair, it makes the scene even MORE emotional after you finish the MSQ. Cause now you know the entire thing and it hits even harder knowing.

@@Pmak seeing the streamer or KZfaqrs talk shit about our crystal mummy is really heartbroken. Of course the feeling when you see they realize they were wrong is really satisfying and yet the tear still fall, especially when I also share they viewpoint before the reveal.

It was us who made Behemoth and Toad what they're today.

Hum I am pretty sure the lyrics are "Thy life is a riddle", "they" here makes absolutely no sense

@@mizardelwana Ah you're right. Auto unfortunately kicked in, it doesn't understand old English.

I had an additional personal reason, with those scenes: The first time I saw the ARR movie I cried upon seeing Louisoix's final facial expression as the scene fades to white... because it and he so resembled one of our best friends who died of cancer, who we used to D&D game with, who was a very good man and would have done exactly as Louisoix did, in those same circumstances... and would have faced his imminent death with that same smile, knowing he'd saved the fighters for the future. Sigh. It was uncanny, how much Louisoix looked like our friend in that moment. I was immediately hooked, and couldn't sign into the game fast enough. As for the scene symbolizing the millennia Venat has endured as the living heart of Hydaelyn... yes. She suffered WITH her "children" and continued to walk on in hope, to give hope to THEM. I also think someone above was right when they said the times in that walk when there was a jolt and Venat would stagger and then be more covered in blackened blood and be staggering more, were meant to represent each Calamity in which she suffered as countless millions died: a physical blow to her that did an abrupt worsening of her condition. And yet, she walked on---for us, for her children, for hope, hanging on as she wanted us to hang on and to keep walking forward. A lot is said at times in the different expansions about how the WoL (and at times others like the Scions) keep going in order to encourage those who come later to follow in their footsteps... but here we confront the fact that Venat/Hydaelyn was the first to do so. The WoL never stopped fighting and faced enormous suffering from one life to the next... and each time it was new to them, because "new lifetime" and not remembering their prior lives (although the soul might well remember at its most basic level, getting that knowledge up to the current conscious mind likely acts more through feelings and resolves rather than actual memories, during each lived lifetime). Yes the WoL endured numerous lifetimes of fighting the same fight over again, continuing to try to lead humanity forward and forever striving to be a beacon of hope... but Venat/Hydaelyn's sacrifice was in one long continuous flow of the same, with never a respite of "periods of time spent resting in the Aetherial sea." Venat/Hydaelyn never got a moment's rest from her own continuous walk forward into a future she hoped would happen, walking into uncertain future with an unswerving belief in humanity's ability to rise above. And she did it all for love... for love of us all, and for love of all creation. It's like ten thousand years of childbirth. It boggles the mind, her unswerving dedication to ensuring that humanity and all life continued to exist and to grow in love and understanding, and finding a purpose within that.

if you're a roegadyn male for sure dunno about female he also makes a comment on emmet giving you too much aether since you're so big.

I also didn't know Venat would kneel if you're playing a lalafell.

In my case -- Hyur, Emet only stated that he made my size convenient.

i played Au Ra and got "You even adjusted its height." "Well its easier to talk to"

@@nullPhysX yeah, I believe most races get that, I know lalas get called too small, and Roes get called too tall, not sure about other specific ones (like male au ra etc)

@@nullPhysX This is the same for miqo'te as well.

basically Azem looks like actualy same as our character.

@@nullPhysX This is all I got on my Viera too - no other comments about my height.

Yeah, he never told that about my character -- Hyur.

Same.. loved emet in shadowbringers and seeing him here just broke me at the end

Same I just love Emet so much

Azem's gender is based on your characters gender because in my cutscenes they refer to Azem as a Him.

@@TutorialBear makes me interested to see how they ever handle us meeting ourselves if that ever happens in the future.

Here's some answer or little details of which Quazii at present time might already have known (unless he got Kairos'd) but I'll still type in anyway. 17:37 "I only need to {Hear} your words. share your {Feel}ings. and know your {thought}s. - Hear, Feel, Think. 50:04 Who is current Azem - you, before the sundering, of course. 1:27:00 - hena, dyo, tria, pente, deca-pente etc. are modern greek/latin numerical based system. as 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 15th and so on 2:01:10 - the whole cutscene shown the sequence of before and after Zodiark were summoned. - Hythlodaeus was part of the "first sacrifice" to summon Zodiark. that's why he's still in Zodiark and met WoL on the moon at present day. - Venat issue is that she oppose the idea of "second sacrifice" for Zodiark to revert the star to paradise as it was. she become Hydaelyn and fought Zodiark then sundered him together with the star and its people. - After the sundering, Hydaelyn got hit every time the world rejoined (as you can see she get injured again and again because of Zodiark struggle to breaks her seal). while walking through darkest passage depicted as time moving forward to the end. as the star and its people struggle to find meaning in life with shorten life. and a will to live on.

Adding some info based on some science, cause they actually use this concept. Dynamis is effectively dark matter... Actually it is just straight up magic dark matter, the 68.3% number is the exact same as it is IRL, and while dynamis exerts emotional power over things dark matter produces gravity on normal matter.

@@deldalus Another fun fact. In the Crystal Tower there is a hidden morse code message that spells out "It's all wrong!"... the exact words Meteion used when she was first contacted by her sisters.

its not every day you get emet to tank for you and it was wonderful.

@@Experiment3265 there was also notable difference how they did the dung and how scions would do it. Scions would progress in their quality throughout the fight, while those 3 went all out from the start - i guess to note the influence of "echo" in lore way

@@Archy112 that i would not know, as i never used trusts before this expansion but the dps queues got the better of me and... i loved it, allowed me to immerse myself in the story and they functioned well, and this particular dungeon it was glorious, my only regret was we didn't get them as avatar's.

@@Experiment3265 Yeah They were true parsers before act got invented xD

Yeah loved the reaction, but was sad when I saw him not using trust for that dungeon. Hopefully he can revisit it in the future. It is so amazing doing it with those characters!!

For those who didn't do the dungeon with the trusts when you first go to Ktisis, it's not too late! Hyth, Venet and Emet will enact their dialogues just fine if you take them for a spin. 😉 Just open up the Trusts menu, go into Avatar mode, and choose Ktisis from the dropdown. They'll pop up for selection. I couldn't resist taking them along when I first reached Ktisis. I knew that it must add way more to the experience and my guess was right! Way worth it! Plus, in general the Trusts guide you pretty well through new dungeons. I was overjoyed seeing that we can fight by their sides anytime we want (for that one dungeon), courtesy of the thoughtful developers. 💖

Yes, the trust commentary (even when choosing them) is fun.

@@melissas4874 I swear when the first boss does his hiding ability it was hilarious how they all were so sassy 😭 “is it… really trying to hide from us 😐??” and their comments on how they would reject all those concept was so funny

@@ArisaPD And Emet whining about having to trudge through the inclement weather…

After seeing Elpis, Zereth Mortis seems even more pathethic, considering how similar the two are in concept.

@@HiddenEvilStudios Perhaps someone was feeding Blizzard information on Endwalker behind the scenes.

Shadowbringers & Endwalker are all lore themes and ideas modern WoW dream of to be. One told one of the best stories in fiction, other has a big evil villain, how wants to dominate people and create an eternity of torment because you know he’s evilllll.

It is implied that is not quite the case, That hythlo didn't have his memories of the Elpis days restored until after zodiark was unmade and the composite souls traveled to the aetherial sea. The simulacrum made by emet, and the soul in zodiark are both aware of the sundering, and thus conclude that the player is sundered azem, without any doubts, and without elpis.

The choice to erase Emet’s and Hythlo’s memories was amazing too, the whole time I was wondering how Emet and Hermes would still be the same after experiencing this and then… “Kairos” and everything clicked

They just reused the amarout duty set

Oh no, even in 1.0 it was relevant, but no one knew the meaning of the words until this expansion

That is so interesting, had not made that correlation, speaks volumes of the writing staff handling this story not only like plot, characters and mcguffins, but a multilayered approach, splashed with tidbits and nuggets of reflection on old tropes and the human condition. Also threating philosophical, metaphisical and moral themes in such a manner is what makes it philosophically and moraly relevant. This Zodiark arc of the story, to me, is a triumph over nihilism in storytelling. Since the endsinger is basically the embodiment of nihilism.

The sheer horror when i realized, i think, how she turned omnicidal when she saw all these dead worlds and concluded that indeed the meaning of life is to die and thus she was going to do it in the most perfect way possible was just... oof

@@waking00one No. The meaning of life is not to die. There is no meaning to life, life is suffering in time, whether it be short lives or long lives, in the end, all die, even the stars itself dies. Thus, life itself has no meaning, and the suffering is pointless and hence cruel. Because of this, ending life is freeing creation from pointless suffering and cruelty. It is a very logical conclusion to what she witnessed.

@@SilverforceX I agree with your interpretation. Just wanted to add that there is Authoritative aspect to it aswell. Meteion is created by Ancients automatically assumed its her duty to do something about it. So the most logical conclusion after getting all that information is to resolve to do absolutely nothing. hers Song of Oblivion is as pointless as Suffering of Life in the first place. The other point is the her purpose was finding meaning.

@@coyote271280 If you enjoyed this story, play Persona 3. It covers many of the same things, and seeks the same Answer.

I felt so sorry for Meteion the same way I did for Venat. For a entelechy (basically a hyper-empath) to absorb combined despair of multiple civilizations... imagine the mental and existential pain that would've caused them. Of course Hermes created Meteia with best intentions, which makes it even more tragic.

@@Lilybellmusic Tragic, but fitting. "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions."

ashitakaharuo male azem, the worst azem

And I think his request to "Remember us" wasn't talking about Ascians, but about him and Hytholadeus in a bid to try and prevent the Final Days.

It's beautiful, and it's 100% a direct question to the player too, especially with the camera change to first person

Not just Hytholadeus, but Azem too. Remember, by this time, Azem has had a huge argument with the Convication/Emet disagreeing with Zodiark's and Hydaelyn's summoning and had left the council. So not only did he lose one of his best friends in sacrifice to Zodiark but he had a huge argument with the other who left and then was sundered by Hydaelyn.

That's why I'm team Emet for life. I want to get back together with my two best friends and just be happy. 😭

To experiment with club concepts?lul