😂 I just have to imagine Gimli saying something like _we were born to wear heavy armor, without losing any speed!_ Only for Legolas to put one on and just saying _Hm, you still won't beat me._

Knife ear... thats going in the book!

Another thing to note is that you can't cast a spell if you are wearing armour that you're not proficient in, this includes shields. So while you have that extra AC for your spellcaster they are restricted to using weapons.

Dwarfs forging in the mountains for century’s just to get out ran by some wood boi 💀

I mean, Centaursss! They start with 40, have a trait that lets them carry heavy things (in case the DM uses Variant Encumbrance), so a Centaur not proficient in heavy armor is still moving at the speed of normal characters

Its like a sprinter having weights on competing with a not so fast runner

Its crazy how many people in comments are unaware of heavy armors strength requirements or confusing the requirement with proficiency. Also most everyone in the latter camp are trying to correct the video, even though he stated, "...proficiency in heavy armor but not meeting strength requirements..." right at the start

No, no, you have to remember, you can only do acrobatics if your move speed is not reduced by armor. That elf may move as fast as the dwarf, but it can't do cartwheels in full plate. Yes, I have done this build. It was pretty funny.

I love how he shows the lapp armor when talking about heavy armors

But can you imagine the other elves teasing that guard? "Are you an elf, or a dwarf?"

It still only counts as one!

I feel like he’s misunderstanding just how useful long legs are

Dwarfs taking fewer penalties is still a win.

I have a similar problem in bg3. I’d love to play a race like halflings, dwarves or a gnome but they are just too slow!

Remember: *wood* elves not regularly elfs, they're the elfs equivalent of a Australian.

This short was just an elaborate setup for bringing forth a dwarven grudge. Change my mind.

Imagine a entire party in plate armor lol

If you're using variant encumbrance as well, that elf is going to lose even more speed for being overburdened, so it works out nicely.

GRRRRUDGIIIIIIIIIN'!!!!!!

This is the real reason for the feud between dwarves and elves XD

Dwarves do not run from a fight. Elves do!

THIS GOES STRAIGHT INTO THE FUCKING BOOOOK!!

Elf chads stay winning

And don’t mention putting the spellcaster without proficiency in a heavy armor suit😊

Video is talking about strength and half the people heard proficiency.

ROCK AND STONE BROTHER

Dwarves should get dash as a bonus action. They ARE natural born sprinters after all!

Fun fact in Baldur's Gate 3 heavy armor doesn't have a strength requirement. All you have to do is be proficient.

Now I cannot think of a Dwarf talking in Common without hearing this guy. Amazing

Its kinda fair: short and slow legs boys are the same speed as the long speedy elves that have a weight on them

My warforged rogue artificer absorbs his heavy armor and has advantage on stealth checks.

Being the book of grudges !

Yeah but it's not the only downside tho, and iit's by far the least inconvenient. You can't cast spells in armors you're not proficient in, and many class abilities don't work if you wear heavy or medium armors, like barbarian's rage, monk's ki abilities etc. The MS penalty is just the most general of them.

ROCK AND STONE EVERYONE

Since I have a player who's keen on pushing me to my limits. Being a murder hobo for example and an artificer as well, but super careful as not to get caught, he also wanted to see what would happen if he wore a bit of every Armor type. So I made a separate system, where it works something like a shield. So it is possible to wear a piece of medium, light and heavy Armor at a time. Light being pretty weak, but with no drawbacks, medium lowering your added Dex mod to a maximum of two and if you're wearing at least one piece of heavy, cyou cannot add your Dexterity modifier at all and it gives stealth disadvantage. Also there are Armor slots now, so you can only wear 3 Armor pieces at a time. (A helmet, boots, Chestplate or gauntlets. For flavour, if you have a breastplate it comes with the gauntlets so you can have a helmet, but the breastplate still gives +3AC and a helmet gives +2 so full plate is at it's holy 18 or you can choose to put the gauntlets on as the final +2 to a maximum of 18 without the helmet) Light Armor +1AC/piece Medium +2AC/piece Heavy +3AC/piece (gauntlets/helmet to make a set +2) So yeah, I broke Armor. But so far it hasn't caused any issues. Any ideas for tweaks?

*laugh in tree hugger*

I mean, I wouldn't say it's an injustice. The elf traded out his ability to go fast for heavy metal. The dwarf doesn't need to give up anything.

That's going in the book

The dwarfs should have in combat a explosive movment, 30 to walk and dash for the first time, but a use of 2-3 dashs, it should drop to 25 and also when they are just traveling.

Satyrs and Leonin have the same speed of 35.

I feel like it'd make more sense to impose disadvantage on physical-based rolls while wearing heavy armor if you're under the strength requirement. If you are physically too weak to consistently lift heavy armor that'd make you slow for sure but it'd also make swinging weapons harder, dodging will be more difficult, jumping, even aiming a bow since it's require you to keep your arms raised while weighted down!

I find it hard to imagine a wood elf wearing heavy armour maybe some kind of tree bark turned into plate mail

Fixes that WotC SHOULD have done from the start, but they didn't: Heavy Armor non proficiency: can't cast spells, can't use dash action, attacks, ability checks, and dex saves made with disadvantage. Speed is reduced to half Lack the STR requirement for heavy armor? Same penalty as not being proficient. Gives mithril armor a great boost in utility, gives str based characters a benefit, and just simply makes more sense

there are boots of striding and springing that set your speed to flat 30 ft, so you could dump strenght, wear heavy armor, be any race and walk 30 ft

Damn leaf eater

Yeah, i would add that armor isn't that heavy and doesn't limit your movements much. You can roll around in full plate and do all kinds of acrobatics. They were designed to keep you alive, not to ground you to a halt.

Love the merc from LOL

Its also weird that there no damage reduction unless you take a feat. If the enemy hits you take the same damage in full armour as you do naked.🤣

That goes into the book

Good thing i like to wear my heavy armor instead of wielding it as a weapon

Literally everything you said is fine and makes sense. It's not about the speed, it's about the fact that wood elves have a higher base speed, so you'd want that, whereas dwarves have a lower base speed, so your expecting it. Being as slow as a dwarf IS a punishment for a wood elf.

Carrying the weight of the armor is one thing, knowing how to use it to deflect attacks or be able to dodge while wearing it is entirely another

Dont forget about Air Genasi

Longer legs go a long way 😂

The speed penalty is for if you dont have the str, but you cant cast spells and have disadvantage on attacks and checks while wearing nonproficient armor (which gets even worse with low str, the -10 compounds) Someone mentioned forcefully sticking a shield on an enemy mage stop them from casting spells lmao

I'd say this is less of a heavy armor issue than a quirk of faster races. At least flying races don't get to fly in heavy armor, even if said gear is mithril

Maybe Get dwarves a morale bonus for wielding heavy armor instead of a penalty

It's because in 5e they slashed every rule down to the bone without thinking about if it made sense. It's amazing to me that people are still figuring out rules when it's been basically a simple pile of a few for almost a decade. Anyone who is reading, I highly recommend going to 3.5 when you've learned D&D with training wheels.

I find a bit more weirder the fact that the heavier armor the more chance enemy will miss the hit cuz of AP. It feels like dodging hits in light armor is harder than in heavy

I think it would make sense because elves are taller and therefore have longer legs

Elves are super competitive when it comes to Dwarves, I guess.

Common Elf win

KNIFE EARS STRIKE AGAIN!!!

I feel like, if you have the powerful build feature, you should be able to ignore the strength requirement for your armor, provided you are proficient in it.

Why does he look like all of the kids in stranger things merged together?

Of course it’s the fucking elves that beat the dwarves

Suboptimal build idea: Wood Elf fighter, multiclass into bard or rogue High dex Archery fighting style, expertise into Stealth, Heavy armour By level 4 (or level 2 if rogue), the stealth modifier is +7 with disadvantage for an average of ≈14

fun thing is tho, wood elves only get, profiency with perception and advantage against being charmed, and a way to hide if they are slightly obscured which is still usually up to the DM. dwarves tho, they get, advantage aginst poison, advantage with an artisan tool of their choosing, double advntage on history checks relating to stone, and as a hill dwarf you get 1 point of health per level and as a mountain dwarf you get profieciency with light and medium armor and instead of getting a +1 of the subrace you get a +2 on your strength. dwarves have so many + points compared to wood elves that the 10ft speed feels kinda useless especially because wood elves are one of the races that is mostly played ranged.

I'd say you loose woodland strider too.

There should be required Str and Con requirements to use heavy armor. Those that don’t meet the requirements should face penalties on move rate, attack proficiencies, exhaustion effects, Dex adjustments.

Add 5 speed to martial dwarves. Easy fix.

Current DnD doesnt care much for martils. I plan to run a low magic dnd game, and I am going to overhaul a lot of the martial abilities, weapons, .and armor

They should fix Medium Armor so that the ones that don't have disadvantage on stealth while wearing them have a 1 point higher Dex mod bonus than the others.

dwarves should get an extra 5 ft of moment speed if they use their entire speed in one go and only if they wear heavy armor...couse momentum, its hard to stop a dwarf in full plate armor, specially if you are said dwarf

This is cool but coming up with a viable build for this is tough. Wood elf Hexblade Warlock to ignore both STR and DEX for attacks and for Medium Armor proficiency Take Heavily Armored feat at level 4 Elven Accuracy at level 8 Warcaster if you make it to level 12 Pact of the Blade and all the tasty Blade invocations Now you’re a hulking, accurate, hard-hitting, teleporty, menace that only a Wood Elf can be

The fact the speed loss is tied to the STR stat and not to proficiency means a particularly strong wood elf can wear an armour they have no business wearing and outspeed a dwarf by 10ft/r You can then throw in some extra points in CHA and 1 level in Hexblade to bypass the attack roll disadvantage, y'know- in case you want to spite the dwarf a little more

I mean, if they weren’t prof in heavy armour they’d also have disadv on all Dex or Str checks/saves/attacks

Centaurs get no penalty, because their base speed is 40. They could have a 3 in strength and move as fast as an unarmored human while wearing platemail.

They got stubby legs.

It’s probably better to just go with medium armor but then get that extra AC from magical buffs.

I made a barbarian path of the giant firbolg he punched a dragon to death

lmao never looked at it like that 🤣

And here I am not knowing that because the only time I played a wood elf was when I played a samurai fighter….so I didn’t even have a non strength build. Go strong wood elf cobalt soul member, go! Wooo (yes I play this one in the Exandria world and yes my samurai fighter is part of the cobalt soul, they don’t all have to be wizards and monks, they can be fighters too).

Love the zelda music🎶

Dhampir also get this, because their base speed is also 35.

New books print dwarves with 30ft speed tho right?

Simple enough fix, just give dwarves 30ft movement when they are wearing heavy armor.

Armor and shields in general are pretty messed up in 5e. They both need a new rules pass and heavy and medium armor, and shields need to give perks for stacking strength.

I've been saying this exact thing for a while now

centaurs say what?

So when would this come up? If you want heavy armour and have the proficiency your probably a martial and want Str because if you wanted dex you would be better served by medium. The only time I can see this happening is a Mountain dwarf with the heavy armoured feat that is playing a Wizard, Sorcerer or Bard, but the heavy armoured feat also gives +1 to Str which is then wasted.

As great as AC is! There are plenty of tricks to keep the squishies alive. Even when I can do Heavy, I usually never go past chain, unless it is magical and basically free. lol

Goblins makes it not clang around too

Wotc galve the elves blade.singers and the dwarves battleragers.

well, in 2e, wood elves are jacked, and I mean jacked as shit, they can have a max of 19 strength, which is wild for elves, so heavy armour is no problem for em

Heavy armor should kill the extra movespeed on wood elves x_X even if proficient

Yeah but the disadvantage of that is that you are playing a knife eared bark chewing freak instead of a mountain Chad with dripped out with gold alloys and jewels

I think you used Nissa From MTG for a example of a wood elf lol

So some stinking’ knife ear is fast wearing nothin’ but their clothes so that means they are nearly as fast as a dwarf when wearing 15+ pounds of heavy armor? Makes sense.

Armor is weird in dnd altogether, not just the heavy. The heavier the armor, the more difficult it is for you to get hit. While in reality it was easier to get hit, but it was harder to get injured. Armor in dnd should be like: cloth should the hardest to hit, and heavy should be the easiest, but a certain amount should be deducted from the damage while wearing heavy / medium armor