heavy distortion without losing dynamics

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this is a neat little technique called “companding” or “compander saturation” where we’re able to put compressors and saturators on either end of a saturator, so that we can heavily distort a signal then recover the dynamic range afterwards using an expander which applies the same amount of gain that the compressor initially removed. this can be great for coloring a sound with distortion while preserving dynamics.
compander saturator bitwig grid preset: drive.google.com/file/d/1JgJp...
0:00 clip for loudness vs color
0:44 drums example
2:03 MSaturator tutorial
3:45 compander in bitwig grid from scratch
4:58 vocal example
5:42 saw pluck example
6:06 summary

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@TunaCanGuzzler 11 ай бұрын

the fun thing about a compander setup is that it enhances transients in two ways. first, the transients get distorted harder, and then the transients also get put back in as the loudest 'part' of the waveform. this can definitely cause problems if you're overdoing it, but it can also just be a really nice way to make transients cut through the mix in a way a normal transient shaping plugin wouldn't be able to.

@jshstuff 11 ай бұрын

well said!!

@rodstone 11 ай бұрын

So a Compander is the tool? I am surprised Bandlab has it. Compression and Expansion! I understand one but not Expansion

@SaltSpirits 3 ай бұрын

@@rodstoneExpansion is basically the opposite of compression. Compression takes all output above a certain level and brings it down to the desired level without touching anything below that level Expansion (also known as upwards compression) takes everything below a certain level and brings it up without affecting anything above that level.

@ahreuwu 11 ай бұрын

Oh my god, this might actually change how every single song I make from now on will sound, thank you so much!!

@jshstuff 11 ай бұрын

you’re welcome :) hope you get good results!!

@valimoormusic 11 ай бұрын

I don’t know how many years I’ve wished I could have distorted thickness with the dynamics intact for vocals. This is amazing thank you

@shuya4104 11 ай бұрын

Its been a long time that ive watched a music production tutorial and it was about something "simple" and generally useful that i didnt know yet

@jshstuff 11 ай бұрын

🙂!

@shuya4104 11 ай бұрын

@@jshstuff also i dont know if this would necessarily have a use, but would it be possible to achieve this without the intial compression? Aka you just record the amplitude of whatever goes above the threshold on your saturator to reintroduce that volume after the clipping. So it would only be cutting off peaks but boosting them right back in.

@shuya4104 11 ай бұрын

or even crazier being able to adjust how much the initial sound is compressed regardless of the expansion in the end. so you could basically adjust how dynamic the saturation should be, but still retaining the dynamics of the original sound, rather than having completely even saturation due to the input getting squashed by the compressor. I think the thing you built in bitwig could already get close to achieving just that if you just removed the part that did the gain reduction in the beginning. And obviously application for this would be 808's where you might want a harder distortion in the beginning that fades off. If you compress it then the distortion would be applied equally which would be a different type of dynamics lost. You could be adding spectral dynamics from distorting a dynamic sound (aka different levels of saturation due to the amplitude differences) AND you could reintroduce the lost dynamics in the end.

@jshstuff 11 ай бұрын

yeah you’re a smart one!! this would totally be possible and could lead to some great results. I don’t think you can do that in MSaturator because the companding links the compression and expansion, but in my Bitwig grid patch all I’d need to do is bypass the module doing the gain reduction and it would work just like you said. thanks for this awesome idea 👏👏👏

@ajadeleye4970 11 ай бұрын

"It's super easy" *opens up bitwig's effects grid to custom compressor setup built from scratch* 😵‍💫🤯

@Solid_Hank 11 ай бұрын

I use Faturator by Kiloheartz and i really like how it retains dynamics while still providing an incredible sound

@SwishBeats 11 ай бұрын

and this is how Skrillex makes his stuff loud af 😮‍💨

@nikolaudio 11 ай бұрын

you can flat tilt out bass pre-distortion and then do the opposite EQ curve after distorting. This will bring back some dynamics as youre distorting an altered signal. Also nice to have it not modulate so hard from insane bass energy.

@PrideGamingTV 5 ай бұрын

what do you mean?

@porter2024 5 ай бұрын

@@PrideGamingTV pump the bass with an eq going into the distortion and then do the opposite so the rest of it gets some more of the dynamics

@LetsSmiley 11 ай бұрын

I don't know how to thank you enough. It's literally the one thing that always lacks in my mixes. And a small rant: How many times I've seen videos on KZfaq saying "These 3 Mixing Tips will save your life" or "Muddy mix? Use this to get it clean!" and providing just niche specific tricks that dont help at all. While you just get straight to the point with plenty of examples and a detailed explaination. Thank you!

@jshstuff 11 ай бұрын

@AMTunLimited 11 ай бұрын

For a different approach, you could have an effects rack that has a compressor on one end, then an expander on the other with the side chain being the pre-compressor sound. For extra gravy you could assign macros that compensate for each other combining the same controls on the compressor and expander side, but because of the saturation you don't necessarily want the exact same settings on the compressor and expander

@jshstuff 11 ай бұрын

cool idea that would work super well!

@vinniestuff 4 ай бұрын

your voice is exactly what i want my voice to be. literally so asmr

@catelaofficial 11 ай бұрын

that's the best outro I've ever heard

@bl8de3 11 ай бұрын

underrated channel. what a straight forward, clear tutorial. props, mate!

@Arnaz87 11 ай бұрын

This. Sometimes there do be gold in the reccomendations

@znbh 10 ай бұрын

it’s been three weeks. upload again. i don’t even make music, but i gotta feel productive when i binge youtube at 4 am. the way you use microsoft paint and explain big brain maths comprehensively to make music sound good is so beyond my 45 iq understanding, and i need more of this.

@iamsushi1056 11 ай бұрын

that was some THICC KRONCH there at the outro with all the companded saturated parts playing at once, love it!

@SOTAREKO 11 ай бұрын

this is one of the most informative and useful videos I've seen. I've been trying to figure out how to get my drums to sound crispier/saturated without it sounding horrible in the mix. Low and behold this pops up in my feed and gives me the exact information I was looking for. literally 10/10

@DJPastaYaY 2 ай бұрын

This is some really interesting stuff. I've always wondered if this was possible!

@bigpete14 11 ай бұрын

God his voice is so pleasant I could listen to him talk about anything

@jshstuff 11 ай бұрын

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@IDGs_space 4 ай бұрын

@@jshstuffyou better keep your word

@jshstuff 4 ай бұрын

@@IDGs_space I promise

@Cubesonfire 11 ай бұрын

"I tricked you this is a bitwig tutorial now" 💀💀💀

@lughar 5 ай бұрын

for level match the input and output of any type of sound while maintaining dynamics, dial +6db in Compander Output, Attack and threshold at . Thats literally it. The saturation threshold must NOT be on , thats the gain knob (it indicates where the effect starts applying, if put at zero it doesnt do anything). Release work to smooth the saturation being added. What you explain in the video is how to introduce saturation using the compander as a pre dynamic modifier. Thats why it only works if you put +6db in the output of the Compander with the saturation threshold at zero (what you do its surpass the "zero threshold" capacity to read sound). That explains why you dont hear the mode of the saturation changing either. Great video!!

@Trye 11 ай бұрын

Love this, especially for me as a hardstyle producer where distortion is used everywhere, this opens up a new world. Thank you!

@AUXSIUM_music 11 ай бұрын

other clever way is insert the tool device after saturation or clipper then add audio sidechain modulator and take the input from the same track but choose pre-fader then adjust the setting with rise and fall settings , then modulate the gain knob in tool device the add original dynamic back into the track after distortion/clipping

@jshstuff 11 ай бұрын

another bitwig W. you’re totally right I didn’t even think of that. thank you for sharing!!

@AUXSIUM_music 11 ай бұрын

@@jshstuff Bitwig is the best daw, no cap

@shaboogen 11 ай бұрын

@@jshstuff To do it in a more controlled way, you could also use a Segments modulator and use that to modulate the Tool device instead of dealing with the rise and fall of any kind of envelope follower.

@AUXSIUM_music 11 ай бұрын

@@shaboogen there's endless possibilities with bitwig and that's what i loved about it

@jshstuff 11 ай бұрын

a couple people asked for the bitwig grid patch preset. it's linked in the description now, have fun :)

@AlecWyld 11 ай бұрын

I don't see it in the description. But great video bud!

@jshstuff 11 ай бұрын

@@AlecWyldshould be after the main description and before the time stamps?

@AlecWyld 11 ай бұрын

Oh I had your video open before you updated it haha thanks! @@jshstuff

@bassti-music 11 ай бұрын

great video! It really changed my understanding of saturation and clipping again! Thank you! I'll definitely apply this method in my productions!

@jshstuff 11 ай бұрын

yay! you’re welcome :)

@heemogoblin001 11 ай бұрын

This is an information that you shouldn't share here for free. (Thank you, you are a legend.)

@jshstuff 11 ай бұрын

thank you for being you

@eyyfalon 10 ай бұрын

Let's go he's got the most based FL studio theme kicking

@nicodianime 11 ай бұрын

First audio vid I've watched yet, very confused And very inspired.

@Bittamin 11 ай бұрын

This helps bring more perspective to my tracks because I’m actually taking more cleaner digital sounds (although some emulate analog synths that means nothing) and run them through different methods of distortion with bus processing to slowly reverse engineer the song to have an authentic loss of fidelity to it. If I can make the song sound like your dad dug it out of the old milk crate, I did it right 🎉❤

@jshstuff 11 ай бұрын

❤️

@eddieo6886 11 ай бұрын

this sounds like fascinating technique, I would love to hear some examples in your work if you'd like to share!

@db4ks 11 ай бұрын

Very well edited, very educational,very informative, Keep up the good videos!

@alirezaa.kazemi8931 5 ай бұрын

bro this is so helpful I didn't watch this type of tutorials for long time , thank you so much

@eldiablopassa3721 10 ай бұрын

Game changer production tips

@iamtroymg8491 8 ай бұрын

People normally say.."oh this is gold" and i am like hhhmmmm but damn all of your videos are gold and they speak to all the issues we all face and we hardly see other people covering or if they do their solutions are normally Mid. Thank you

@max6419 11 ай бұрын

Wow, this is such a simple, yet genius idea. Thank you for this VERY helpful video! Keep up the good work :)

@jshstuff 11 ай бұрын

you’re welcome!

@wrighteously 11 ай бұрын

This is why I love KZfaq, the only place you can find gems like this! Thank you so much for this the effect is great.

@jshstuff 11 ай бұрын

yw!

@adsick_ua 5 ай бұрын

stuff in the grid looks cool

@Ekitaii 11 ай бұрын

Bro I've been looking for something like this for over a year...you are the GOAT

@jshstuff 11 ай бұрын

right, isn’t it sick!!? I’ve been using it on everything for the past 2 weeks ish

@yayinhard 11 ай бұрын

awesome tips, this adds a lot of color without losing the clarity

@lunasmileyy 11 ай бұрын

I literally clicked on the compander enable button, heard that it made the song sound like booty, then disabled it and never used it again. Thank you for this brief and well explained tutorial.

@8nfra 11 ай бұрын

you’re insane. been looking for a way to do this for ages. thanks so much

@jshstuff 11 ай бұрын

you’re welcome!

@_itswxvy 11 ай бұрын

This is a really great video, very well made!

@exyl_sounds 11 ай бұрын

very insightful and helpful video thank you jsh

@jshstuff 11 ай бұрын

@Dan_Stopani 5 ай бұрын

This is an excellent technique. Thanks 🙏

@flareongang8975 11 ай бұрын

Bro keep making this type of video, that's important knowledge for producers

@innerg_92 4 ай бұрын

MSat is one of my FAVORITES

@loganlamoreaux5347 11 ай бұрын

amazing tutorial, very consise and entertaining. will definitely try this out

@jshstuff 11 ай бұрын

@drductape 7 ай бұрын

Ohhhh shit. Okay wow. This is a game changer for me im using this on literally everything now moving forward

@jshstuff 7 ай бұрын

yaaaa I’ve been using it on everything too

@cgnotes 11 ай бұрын

this is very very sick mr youtube user jshstuff

@jshstuff 11 ай бұрын

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@sickrick932 11 ай бұрын

This video is TIGHT, subscribed

@abbadonproductioninc 3 ай бұрын

Yo this is a real gem

@Logic23music 11 ай бұрын

Your videos are gold, thank You so much🖤

@Craftal 11 ай бұрын

Fantastic video. Informative and no fluff. Subbed af

@jshstuff 11 ай бұрын

@Jimmyknapp2 11 ай бұрын

Thank you, can't wait to try this

@hi_its_jerry 11 ай бұрын

oohh that's sick! definitely gonna be using this

@bliips_ 11 ай бұрын

some great vids on your channel, looking forward to more

@jshstuff 11 ай бұрын

@Skrenja 10 ай бұрын

Finally, a tutorial that isn't incredibly basic information.

@jaketmko 11 ай бұрын

this is some insane stuff ty for posting this

@jshstuff 11 ай бұрын

yw!

@evoidmusic 11 ай бұрын

Cant wait to try this on some drums!

@HobbieOne 11 ай бұрын

Gems!! Thanks for the tips. What a game changer 🧨

@jshstuff 11 ай бұрын

💎!

@MommysGoodPuppy 11 ай бұрын

wow i didnt think of this, fantastic

@artpinsof5836 10 ай бұрын

amazing info! thank u!!

@soyjosuefernandez 11 ай бұрын

Great lesson. I realized that through few mastering processes. I thought compressing some problematic bands like the low end would make my mix sound more stable on dynamics and tonal balanced but when clipper was used the problems got bigger hahaha

@ZefParisoto 11 ай бұрын

Wahh that's such a cool trick, didn't know about it yet! Deffo going to use this ~ thank you!

@jshstuff 11 ай бұрын

I didn’t know until yesterday either, you’re welcome!!!

@CRAETION_ 11 ай бұрын

this is incredibly informative! thank you!

@jshstuff 11 ай бұрын

yw!

@AudioBoi1 11 ай бұрын

that is a freaking genius technique!!!🎉🎉🎉

@ParkrinkBeats 11 ай бұрын

Love this vid. Thanks for explaining the Melda plugin like this. I think YT is lacking tuts for them & all their plugins are great. Appreciate you. 🙏

@jshstuff 11 ай бұрын

@rhekdens 11 ай бұрын

When you put all of the example loops together i fucking lost it its lkke the worlds collided that is beautiful

@jshstuff 11 ай бұрын

I preconditioned u for that moment

@evernam993m8 11 ай бұрын

Loudness war is over but I can still appreciate your video, thanks

@kaibuchan 11 ай бұрын

Woah, subbed. Great vid.

@ericktellez7632 10 ай бұрын

Idk why I was just expecting another video on NY compression but this is actually quite unique

@domovoi_0 11 ай бұрын

Awesome!!!! Love and blessings.

@jshstuff 11 ай бұрын

❤️❤️❤️

@emilandersenaudio 11 ай бұрын

great video!!

@donnyfebles 5 ай бұрын

You actually saved me from endless hours of trial and error my music about to get really good

@jshstuff 5 ай бұрын

remember me when u famous

@GaashMusic 11 ай бұрын

Damn this can get completely creative! I do a lot of work with vocals and playing around with distorting them while retaining the natural dynamics is something i haven't really thought about. Thanks for these tips! Also the bitwig rack thing looks sick! Looks like a colorful and somewhat simplified version of the FL Studio patcher.

@jshstuff 11 ай бұрын

hope you get good results with this! btw Bitwig grid is certainly not a simpler version of patcher. imo patcher is a toy while Bitwig’s grid is a toolbox. the only thing patcher has that’s better is the UI creator tool

@GaashMusic 11 ай бұрын

Maybe simplified was not the right word, but rather more easy on the eyes. Patcher to me always looks flimsy and weird lol it gave me a hard time learning the tool itself @@jshstuff

@jshstuff 11 ай бұрын

@GaashMusic yeah gotcha. patcher can do a lot of stuff but at the end of the day it’s just a glorified FX rack, as opposed to the grid/the ableton one (max for live I think), which are actual instrument/FX creation tools. I find that I have to jump through all sorts of hoops to get anything done in patcher. and yeah agree it’s not easy on the eyes, unless you spend hours making a pretty control surface for it.

@MXCN_El1011 11 ай бұрын

Damn this just what i been trynna figure out for some drums not too long ago where things got too squashed, but i liked the grit. Was kinda able to get around it, but will def be using this in the future

@fredrikhj03 11 ай бұрын

Nice video! Thank you!❤️

@jshstuff 11 ай бұрын

you’re welcome!

@Fusion_tw 11 ай бұрын

Thank you for the high quality video

@jshstuff 11 ай бұрын

you’re welcome!!

@JasperLaw 5 ай бұрын

Fantastic! Thank you so much :)

@heavenly2k 11 ай бұрын

I literally just tuned out your voice and listened to the drumbeat for like 5 minutes

@bobroberts8264 11 ай бұрын

Really helpful video man nice oneee

@jacobskovsbllknudsen5908 11 ай бұрын

Interesting technique, Melda makes such good stuff, I ought to get into it. I do many variations of this with multiband expansion and then a subtle clipper or comp, simple volume/gain automations, serial and parallel fx going on the same sound etc. But nice to have a tool like that which does it all and with a simple enough gui...

@EquatorAU 5 ай бұрын

great video, thanks for sharing!

@jshstuff 5 ай бұрын

yw :)

@TheRutefly 10 ай бұрын

Reverse clipping. Sounds like magic.

@majordabalert 11 ай бұрын

Sick vid brah

@pailiaq 11 ай бұрын

awesome stuff - had no idea about companders tbh. I always used parallel distortion or would use compressors to shape the dynamics of a clipped signal after the fact, but this is something really cool I didn't know you could do every day I seem to get a tiny bit closer to converting to bitwig I'm afraid

@jshstuff 11 ай бұрын

woah it's the coolest youtuber of 2023 aka pailiaq do it I dare you, do it

@milkyway8353 5 ай бұрын

great tutorial man, thanks

@jshstuff 5 ай бұрын

you’re welcome!

@zerois2801 5 ай бұрын

Wow great tip!

@01kyu 11 ай бұрын

Just recently switched to bitwig as well! Nice to see you've done so as well :)

@jshstuff 11 ай бұрын

I switched just over a year ago, been loving it

@TennysonMusic 11 ай бұрын

this is great

@jshstuff 11 ай бұрын

you too

@WangleLine 11 ай бұрын

holy shit, your videos are really good

@jshstuff 11 ай бұрын

thank you wangle aka the sound design GOAT herself

@WangleLine 11 ай бұрын

@@jshstuff aww omg thank you :D

@Pyroific 11 ай бұрын

great vid!

@rac8574 5 ай бұрын

Great video wtf this is insane

@milocero 11 ай бұрын

Spot on, keep that up

@TheSabotaje 11 ай бұрын

This guy is very smart, subscribing

@seleene4evr 11 ай бұрын

awesome dude

@Unknown-yz6md 11 ай бұрын

Good video! Just a tip, Klanghelm's SDRR2 can achieve a similar effect. There are multiple saturation options, and there's a dynamics section in every one of them. Set the dynamics slow, transients wont be affected/squashed with saturation. Cheap and a good plugin! Just wanted to share.

@jshstuff 11 ай бұрын

cool thanks for sharing! it looks good gonna have to check it out

@HolarMusic 11 ай бұрын

parallel heavy distortion (i.e. just using the mix knob on your distortion plugin) at a low-ish mix level can often give you very similar results at a fraction of the effort

@HolarMusic 11 ай бұрын

@@TheJohnsofDoes It adds harmonics while keeping most of the dynamics intact

@Ne1gh_ 5 ай бұрын

Thank you so much bro!

@jshstuff 5 ай бұрын

you’re welcome :)

@Nortsan197 11 ай бұрын

cool stuff!

@Bajamanator 11 ай бұрын

This is pretty interesting, just for future reference, it'd be cool to hear a super clear back to back comparison of the different plugins/ settings you're using, just for a bit of extra clarity to understand what you're talking about