Heir's Faction Focus : Seleucids

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HeirofCarthage

10 жыл бұрын

Today we look at the Seleucids, enjoy!

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@Wasteland_Pilgrim
@Wasteland_Pilgrim 10 жыл бұрын
I respect heir because he actually post his defeats
@animation1697
@animation1697 8 жыл бұрын
+ImperialPepper Mint Alot of people do :/
@thaneofwhiterun3562
@thaneofwhiterun3562 5 жыл бұрын
@@animation1697 And a lot don't , we should always reward honesty no matter how common it is
@mahmoudfathy2074
@mahmoudfathy2074 4 жыл бұрын
It seems that Egypt's really strong though
@shoutingship6457
@shoutingship6457 10 жыл бұрын
For once, Heir faced an opponent in possession of multiple brain cells.
@TheCassual
@TheCassual 10 жыл бұрын
If you're implying that in most of his replays his opponents are in possession of no brain cells (or only a single brain cell), you're right. This guy knew what he was doing.
@HowitzerBug
@HowitzerBug 10 жыл бұрын
That was a great battle to watch! Lots of jostling for position, tactics & counter tactics. Very entertaining! :)
@caelen7191
@caelen7191 10 жыл бұрын
I like the seleucid empire they been my favorite faction
@vnversion
@vnversion 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, we are the true successors to Alexander's Empire!
@thekingcreeperissexy
@thekingcreeperissexy 5 жыл бұрын
Me too.
@BSChristoffersen
@BSChristoffersen 10 жыл бұрын
We need to see that elephant army in use :D
@901kingful
@901kingful 10 жыл бұрын
Actually we have, I think in one of Heir's Iberian faction focuses his opponent brought a Seleucid 6 Elephant troll army against Heir's all sword and slinger army. It was hilarious.
@XXGDUBSXX
@XXGDUBSXX 10 жыл бұрын
Favorite Faction Such an awesome selection of Troops.
@MercenaryJedi
@MercenaryJedi 4 жыл бұрын
I didn't start playing Rome II multiplayer until the Emperor Edition. For a while, I've been trying to figure out why elephants seem so absurdly powerful compared with the replays that you and Maximus played. I finally noticed the massive (and ridiculous) boost to health that CA gave elephants. Now I know why it seems to take 4 skirmishers to kill these irritants.
@handeisthemande12
@handeisthemande12 10 жыл бұрын
I've been looking forward to this one, thanks Heir!
@PlainDoll
@PlainDoll 11 күн бұрын
This was an amazing battle one of the best in faction focus videos
@unemployedautist5054
@unemployedautist5054 10 жыл бұрын
Hey Heir. I just wanted to say that it must be a pleasure to work with you. Great video as always. Have a fantastic day.
@Hermestrismegiston
@Hermestrismegiston 10 жыл бұрын
Very interesting battle, classical succesor kingoms pairing with two strong army setups and and oh so much skirmishing... Well played from both sides.
@magemaatikko
@magemaatikko 10 жыл бұрын
I have waited your new video so long, is everything all right I hope? I love your vids,keep them coming please. Cheers ^^!!
@wkvalader
@wkvalader 10 жыл бұрын
I am not a Rome 2 player, I don't have a decent enough PC to play it. However, I am amazed at all the comments hating on pike formations. Everyone calls them noob boxes as if it is a terrible thing to do and not in the spirit of the game. I don't see how that can be. Standing on a hill, or right at the red line, sure. That is not sportsman like. But playing your units well and focusing on a strong pike line. That is what the period called for. If you don't want your enemy to do that, out skirmish him and outflank him. Seems like a legit strategy that is not counter to the spirit of the game.
@RG-hx8uc
@RG-hx8uc 6 жыл бұрын
wkvalader You do know. Outflanking requires you to get behind enemy line. The existence of red line and initial deployment prevent u from doing that. And for skirmish. I doubt anyone would bring that much skirmishers in a game where everyone is consider as a decent player with proper game etique until proven otherwise. Red line camping with pikemen where theirs only weakness is outflanking is kinda violating the gentlemen agreement between players. I consider this is equivalent to war crime. You can commit war crime for greater advantages but however it is inhuman to do.
@danisrusski6297
@danisrusski6297 6 жыл бұрын
Its just not "very" hard to pull off, and is a noob tactic. Youd dont see it in tournaments because meele infantry spam and javelins do an number on inflexible pikes. But they are very powerful if you have many and your opponent does not have the right tools to deal with it - which can be an easy win.
@Strype13
@Strype13 4 жыл бұрын
Wow. That was a great battle. It's not often we get to see you go to war with people who share a very similar skill level.
@myleskelly2950
@myleskelly2950 4 жыл бұрын
Silver shield pikemen now have 100 armour which makes them the best now as the biggest weakness is being peppered by Archers now it's not
@Souleman561
@Souleman561 6 жыл бұрын
and the moment HoC said " lets see how or if i deal with my ... i knew it was battle lost replay, plus eminently at the start of the replay, the terrain does not favor the Seleucid tactical doctrine per say and with elephants, you do not want the elephants to stop and engage a single unit, they are at their best like chariots when continuously moving thru enemy formations since they get kills that way, not from fighting a prolong engagement in 1v1, you needed to keep the elephants moving once they hit the enemy line, click the movement button over enemy formation once you have charged to keep the elephants moving or they get bogged down and get less kills and then killed themselves , the reason why when they run a mock in your formation it is so deadly is because they keep moving thru the formation and are not stopping, thus you need this to happen when using them offensively just like repeating charges with cav but running thru the entire enemy flank of their front line that's engaged with your infantry front line, and depending on the quality of infantry you have is the timer of how long you have to use your elephants to make enough of a difference in the infantry battle before its too late
@Souleman561
@Souleman561 6 жыл бұрын
think about it this way, if the elephants are not movng their kinetic energy is zero theoretically, but when the elephants are in motion their size and weight become more of an advantage than fighting in bogged down fight since in that situation their size and weight become more of a disadvantage it seems
@euanferguson3790
@euanferguson3790 3 жыл бұрын
Very diverse faction that has such a large select of units both cheap and expensive, great faction
@Brittonbadog
@Brittonbadog 10 жыл бұрын
Rather like these focus videos. Total War battles most often just come down to unit quality, and it's quite nice have somebody sum up what each unit is good for or if they're even worth the time of using.
@dkc2300
@dkc2300 10 жыл бұрын
btw heir elephants are immune to scare no scare effect can get them to rout your only hope if to run them amok and/or kill them.
@ironskull3955
@ironskull3955 10 жыл бұрын
Badass Focus.
@PalLadlin
@PalLadlin 9 жыл бұрын
A tight loss is sweeter then an easy victory
@marcusgodioso277
@marcusgodioso277 8 жыл бұрын
No. a victory is a victory , if u lose, u die
@infintittie
@infintittie 8 жыл бұрын
+Marcus Mgodioso From a physical standpoint, sure. From an honor standpoint? It's a much bigger achievement to use strategy to almost win a hard battle, then it is to just massacre in an easy one
@tominieminen66
@tominieminen66 10 жыл бұрын
Steady on silver shield pikemen! It makes it the best. I have tested.
@sargisshirinyan207
@sargisshirinyan207 3 жыл бұрын
Dude, can you please do all of these videos again cos Rome 2 is a lot different now, I'm really enjoying your videos but I would also like up-to-date stuff
@Alex-_2001
@Alex-_2001 2 ай бұрын
How did you not see that engagement coming lol
@yazackak
@yazackak 10 жыл бұрын
Please fight a battle with only elephants, if only for the lol factor.
@RMSUkraine
@RMSUkraine 10 жыл бұрын
great vid
@Steve-ps6qw
@Steve-ps6qw 4 жыл бұрын
Damn...I wanted to play this game because I love the Seleucids and thought they might be powerful....
@BATTERIESc
@BATTERIESc 10 жыл бұрын
Can you try another seleucid battle heir? With the more elite units mixed in :)
@TheDAWinz
@TheDAWinz 10 жыл бұрын
FINALLY
@casual96
@casual96 5 жыл бұрын
My favourite Unit in the game is sacrend band hoplite ( carthage faction ) , best hoplite in my opinion and also best lookin👌🏼😇 i do like italian swordsmen cheap and solid good unit , reminds me of hastati with armor and the throwing Spears before Charge.
@Rsyle
@Rsyle 10 жыл бұрын
Nice
@Tsaravitch
@Tsaravitch 9 жыл бұрын
one of the Diadochi.......heirs to Alexander the Great Empire.....have to try this game.
@jruth77
@jruth77 9 жыл бұрын
Thought you said not to use Azat Knights in multiplayer
@brianedwards8613
@brianedwards8613 10 жыл бұрын
Lol Justin definition of prince of macadon
@wr4id619
@wr4id619 10 жыл бұрын
Heir, shouldn't onagers or scorpions counter noob boxes?
@Luvit0Rh8it
@Luvit0Rh8it 10 жыл бұрын
Nice vid, why didn't you try to run amok his elephants like he was doing to yours?
@HoneyBadger1779
@HoneyBadger1779 7 жыл бұрын
Silver Shields would occasionally start wining decisively against my Praetorian Guard in 1v1...was that the computer cheating or the charge bonus? I ask because Selucid had to be getting desperate as I took their territories.
@connorliddicott2076
@connorliddicott2076 10 жыл бұрын
They really should alter the Royal Peltasts. Change and balance the stats and actually make them PELTASTS. They should be a very capable or even powerful missile/melee unit. (I know there are probably mods for this but it really should be a core thing in the game)
@vnversion
@vnversion 5 жыл бұрын
Peltasts can be infantry too, not just ranged units
@alexsitaras6508
@alexsitaras6508 10 жыл бұрын
what was that unit that patchy didnt use that was left in the forest
@Hermestrismegiston
@Hermestrismegiston 10 жыл бұрын
It's a levy pikemen unit (I think the one that was threatened to be outflanked by the elephants earlier). You can see it run away at around 23:15, but it seems that they reassembled and he didn't notice.
@pepebeezon772
@pepebeezon772 9 жыл бұрын
Seleucid dont always have the best of every class but they do have some very decent shit in every class
@arthurdaffos1490
@arthurdaffos1490 7 жыл бұрын
I don't like Herodotus they are good at everything but they dont have some uber elits other factions have but they are versatile ...
@pepebeezon772
@pepebeezon772 7 жыл бұрын
Arthur Daffos >2014 and fuck Total war
@solucoesedetonadosv2
@solucoesedetonadosv2 7 жыл бұрын
I don't like Herodotus Why that my nigga ? You don't like a good and old Rome II anymore ?
@HamburgJ7
@HamburgJ7 10 жыл бұрын
Thorax Swordsman are not "not that good", they are very cost effective for a sword unit which is accesable to most hellenic factions. Chosen Swords which cost 730 are worse than thorax swords which cost 710 and have use the whip
@animation1697
@animation1697 8 жыл бұрын
What does TGN stand for?
@admiraldoofles2793
@admiraldoofles2793 7 жыл бұрын
you're my fucking hero.
@beeebz1192
@beeebz1192 6 жыл бұрын
The Gaming Nation, i think
@maverick4900
@maverick4900 4 жыл бұрын
Admiral Doofles ??
@pijef
@pijef 10 жыл бұрын
its pronounced SOL-LUK-IDS
@frappe2048
@frappe2048 5 жыл бұрын
the Greek pronunciation is such but the Latin is with the 's' sound sol-lus-ids so you can use both
@JDC77
@JDC77 5 жыл бұрын
SOLE-YU-SEED
@thaneofwhiterun3562
@thaneofwhiterun3562 5 жыл бұрын
@@frappe2048 I dissagree , in latin the c was pronounced as a K always , so it's Seleukid or Sel-ehu-kid , In my opinion , spanish is closer to latin than italian when it comes to pronuniacion , when you try to Say anything in latin , use spanish phonology , but pronounce the S as the S in sell
@puppy3908
@puppy3908 10 жыл бұрын
do baktira campaign
@tomkelly8525
@tomkelly8525 10 жыл бұрын
years ago they tried to
@jamreal18
@jamreal18 10 жыл бұрын
Just wanna ask, Do you notice that arrows on bodies disappear after several seconds only?
@TheBikeOnTheMoon
@TheBikeOnTheMoon 10 жыл бұрын
patch 12, chariots get stuck vs cav. Cav => anti-chariot lol
@davidquezada50
@davidquezada50 5 жыл бұрын
Shame their cataphractoi were known to fight against Pike men And were made to fight Pike men. They sounded op They or any shock cav is dumb to not have melee defense it's like they were not trained for combat haha
@leonholterhus685
@leonholterhus685 10 жыл бұрын
no they are not the strongest pike unit i made some testing and the strongst pikeman are foot companions and after them the silver shields and after the hellenic royal guard :D
@WestUpOutlaw
@WestUpOutlaw 10 жыл бұрын
I don't understand why his African War Elephants were not scared by your Indian War Elephants.
@greyestfire8511
@greyestfire8511 9 жыл бұрын
This battle had alot of harassing in it
@Russianjukebox57
@Russianjukebox57 10 жыл бұрын
Its called civilization. Games 1-5
@danisrusski6297
@danisrusski6297 6 жыл бұрын
Mlg pike tactics.
@coffeemania4990
@coffeemania4990 10 жыл бұрын
you should attack the pike of his that are really depleted so that your pike can get in too it and always make a full defence and always use skirmishing units that are manier and you should use sycthe chariots instead of a dumbass elephant that keeps running amock
@totalmadnesman
@totalmadnesman 10 жыл бұрын
Dammit too early..
@rush4in
@rush4in 10 жыл бұрын
too early!? WTF
@totalmadnesman
@totalmadnesman 10 жыл бұрын
Yyeah it wasnt at 720p ^^
@BeastofRock3
@BeastofRock3 10 жыл бұрын
Its 9PM over here. Its too late...
@rush4in
@rush4in 10 жыл бұрын
BeastofRock3 11pm ;D
@totalmadnesman
@totalmadnesman 10 жыл бұрын
10 :D ^^
@akincomer
@akincomer 10 жыл бұрын
I disagree about your running amok point. If you run them amok near your line, at least the opponent cant spam click trample through your men anymore.
@thaneofwhiterun3562
@thaneofwhiterun3562 5 жыл бұрын
I spent half the video not knowing who was who , I was thinking "why would he charge into a phalanx and be happy about it?" And then I realized
@ryanrscp1
@ryanrscp1 4 жыл бұрын
......In you're fight you completely ignore the armor bonus which your elephants have over his which is the precise reason you use elephants in the center line for a charge using the selucids....they take much much longer to run amok than any other and when they do because of their immense armor they are much slower and thus easier to avoid with your own troops and also able to take out more of the enemy....Im just saying this whole youtube channel and video is seemingly based off of use of sound tactics and watching less than a minute of the fight and thats the first thing I see.....in conclusion.... acquaint yourself with your chose faction nub =P
@Alex-_2001
@Alex-_2001 4 ай бұрын
How is it a draw where he literally busted your ass?
@austinhampton7999
@austinhampton7999 6 ай бұрын
Why do you say what the crap is going on in the intro but yet you choose not to cuss? seems a bit off to me
@desertratz307
@desertratz307 4 жыл бұрын
Bro, love your channel but work on that pronunciation lol. Selukid is how it's pronounced, like Makedon. Greeks used a K, just like the Romans with Classical Latin. Keep up the good work b
@godofbiscuits2978
@godofbiscuits2978 10 жыл бұрын
Hate players that use the noob box
@tonywoutrs
@tonywoutrs 10 жыл бұрын
meh, atleast u can surround them
@godofbiscuits2978
@godofbiscuits2978 10 жыл бұрын
Yea but usually wastes time and you end up with a draw, because they know they cant win so they just use the noob box for the time wasting draw. The most annoying thing on MP apart from elephant troll armies.
@rathalo96
@rathalo96 10 жыл бұрын
The egypten has a much better micro
@totalmadnesman
@totalmadnesman 10 жыл бұрын
Wow you actually lost this ^^ Well Persian light archers are really shit ^^^:D
@HeirofCarthage
@HeirofCarthage 10 жыл бұрын
Yes they are...I wanted them to be good. They just aren't :)
@totalmadnesman
@totalmadnesman 10 жыл бұрын
HeirofCarthage Generally the archers aren't good enough in the game, ok maybe the cretan archers..and the syrian heavy ones..but thats it, the rest get crushed my slingers.! They should receiv a heathly boost.!
@GreatCoasterFan07
@GreatCoasterFan07 10 жыл бұрын
HeirofCarthage You might choose for the Syrian archers. They are nice. If you buff them they can pair with cretan. (they still have lower attack) I love them because 40 armor is a lot for a archer unit and heavy shot beast out.
@totalmadnesman
@totalmadnesman 10 жыл бұрын
Yannic van Heereveld But they are quit expensiv.!
@GreatCoasterFan07
@GreatCoasterFan07 10 жыл бұрын
totalmadnesman thats right but they don't get mowd down like Persians. But yes they are almost twice as expensive.
@rush4in
@rush4in 10 жыл бұрын
I hate that because of all the cheap pikes and slingers it's almost impossible to rush. And that stops me from playing the game. :-/
@totalmadnesman
@totalmadnesman 10 жыл бұрын
I know that feel (kinda) :P Try it with artillery against noob campers.
@rush4in
@rush4in 10 жыл бұрын
totalmadnesman I don't like arty. It's too immobile. And I have to camp to use it. It's pretty easy to tell from my name that rushing is my cup of tea.
@totalmadnesman
@totalmadnesman 10 жыл бұрын
Rush4in I know my friend :D But maybe one mobil artillery against camping enemy, so you can push through pikes, or kill the enemy skirmishers ! :)?
@rush4in
@rush4in 10 жыл бұрын
totalmadnesman You're talking about campaign and as you know I'm mainly playing multiplayer.
@totalmadnesman
@totalmadnesman 10 жыл бұрын
Okay then you have to find another selution :p
@apostoloforrestgump4975
@apostoloforrestgump4975 6 жыл бұрын
not a good game this one, lots of mistakes and not paying enough attention
@RoboticsBay
@RoboticsBay 6 жыл бұрын
Terrible faction in campaign, getting your ass kicked all the time
@Jack-xx3qg
@Jack-xx3qg 4 жыл бұрын
This is the stupidest game. The control sucks such dumb units. U need to babysit every units.
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