Helicopter Check-Ride Student Failures Online Ground School

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Helicopter Online Ground School

Helicopter Online Ground School

10 жыл бұрын

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Helicopter Check-Ride Student Failures Online Ground School
Hello, I'm Kenny Keller the creator of Helicopter Online Ground School. And today I want to share with you the three helicopter check-ride failures of students that I've had over the past thirteen years. Number three coming up again -- out of all the hundreds of people that I've sent for helicopter check-rides, I've only had three people fail on the first attempt. So I thought out of all those check-rides, these are three probably good tips to cover for some quick helicopter check-ride prep on what I've seen trip these three people up over a number of years. Number one was my very first student that I've ever sent for a helicopter check-ride anywhere and it was in a Robinson R-22 helicopter. And these three failures: one's a Robinson, one's a Schweizer and one's an Estrom. So again the number three: the three failures have been in three different styles of aircraft. So this first gentleman was an airplane CFI and he was a really sharp individual and he was really well-prepared and he got to the check-ride and he was busting through the oral stuff and he was doing great and then the examiner asked him how to figure out pressure altitude. And he couldn't remember how to do it by hand, he wanted to use a chart or use his fancy electronic flight computer and the examiner said "No, you have to be able to figure out pressure altitude by hand." For example you're in an aircraft or in a helicopter and you're going to divert and land at an airport where you hadn't planned on landing and maybe it's a higher elevation and you need to know if you can hover when you get there. So you need to be able to get the current pressure setting for that airport, figure out pressure altitude by hand in order to work the performance chart. And he could not do it by hand. So the examiner failed him. So that's one that I've always made sure over the years, one hundred percent hands down make sure my students know how to figure out pressure altitude by hand. Number two was a student of mine back in Cleveland when I was a fairly new instructor with a few years under my belt and it was in a Schweizer helicopter and this one was on a steep approach. And this was a female student that was going for a Helicopter CFI check-ride. And she was excellent on the ground, she was a great ground instructor and was doing really well with all the ground stuff. And the flying was, you know, it could have been a little bit better but it wasn't too bad. And on the flight portion of the helicopter check-ride, she of course aces the oral part, they go out to fly, fifteen minutes later I see them flying back in, or hovering back in and I thought "Oh-oh, I know this can't be good." So when they get in, basically we all sat down together and he says "Okay, on your steep approach, you started it and you told me it was too steep." And then as she continued the approach, she kept saying "Oh, this is too steep, this is too steep." But she continued the approach all the way down. And when she got to the end he said "Well, what do you think?" And she said "Well, that was too steep." And he said "Yeah, that's right. And you had the opportunity to go around because it was too steep at the beginning." So at the beginning of the approach when she first started it and said "This is too steep," she had the option to go around. She could have gone around, took her time, got set up again, she could just go around one, because that's a maneuver for the check-ride. Go around, take a big deep breath, set it up and try it again. But she started too steep, told the examiner it was too steep and then continued the approach. So we all know settling with power's a big deal and that's why the steep approach is a big deal and you've got to use a good technique and if you think it's too steep, go around. And you have to catch it early. You can't wait until you're three quarters of the way through the approach and say "Oh, I'm going to go around now." That's not the point. If you start out a little bit sloppy and you think it's a little bit too steep at the beginning of the approach when you're up several hundred feet, you could ultimately go around and save yourself busting the check-ride. So remember, a steep approach is fifteen degrees.

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@wesleykicker4996
@wesleykicker4996 4 жыл бұрын
Glad to see you back on your mental time zone Kenny! I certainly enjoyed this session! #3 the steep autorotation: with lots of hours under his or her belt, an Instructor Pilot or not, a Pilot “assumes” that everyone will naturally perform a Go Around, right? Well, as you and I know that is not true. So this session has a message that reaches an audience which is twofold: for IP’s AND for Pilots in general with lots of hours. Don’t assume that another pilot knows what is second nature to you-go around when you know you have a problem and you are high enough to safely perform a go around. As a much older IP once told me following a big boo boo that I made, “Wesley, Never Assume anything. Why? Because it makes an “A## out of U and ME (ASS U ME)”. Thanks for the great work you do everyday sir!
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely Wesley thank you for sharing!
@bluemask32
@bluemask32 10 жыл бұрын
These are tips I wish I had when I had my check ride 8 years ago. Well done..
@KennyKeller
@KennyKeller 10 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much bluemask32
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for commenting!
@amandakellib
@amandakellib 4 жыл бұрын
This is excellent info. Thanks HOGS!
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@elunico13
@elunico13 6 жыл бұрын
Good on those DPEs for terminating the checkride. That will definitely teach a valuable lesson and make a better pilot out of someone. Great video!
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for the feedback! Have you got your free pdf copy of my Amazon Best Selling Book Helicopter Check Ride? If not I can tell you how to get it...
@elunico13
@elunico13 6 жыл бұрын
Helicopter Online Ground School No I don't. I'd like a copy though.
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 6 жыл бұрын
Great here is the link: www.helicopterground.com/pl/1856 Free PDF copy of my Amazon Best Seller Helicopter Check Ride
@elunico13
@elunico13 6 жыл бұрын
Helicopter Online Ground School Thanks!
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 6 жыл бұрын
Your very welcome!
@jimmygall562
@jimmygall562 8 жыл бұрын
The PTS states that a private pilot must execute a auto rotation within 200 feet of a specified LZ. Are you referring to a commercial rating?
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 8 жыл бұрын
+Jimmy Gall Your absolutely right! My mistake during that video I should have stated he missed by more than 200!
@jimmygall562
@jimmygall562 8 жыл бұрын
You're fast! I'm going for my check ride next week. You have a lot of great info out there! When I flew my fixed wing check ride I had a DPE that was being examined by the FAA so it was the toughest, most thorough exam I think anyone could have. So I failed on a maneuver I never was trained on. Now I want to make sure I'm ready for anything. After all the training and ground that I've done to this point, I think it's very important to be able to show the DPE that you know the correct procedure incase of any emergency. Helicopters are like my wife.... Very touchy, the smallest input makes a dramatic effect. I think the best bet is to give yourself a lot of room for the set up for both the straight in and 180* auto. Fly a longer upwind leg and get set up so you're not chasing it when it's time to shine.
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 8 жыл бұрын
+Jimmy Gall The key to a good auto, "A Good Set Up" the key to a good 180 auto, "A Good Set Up!" If you set it up nice, will most likely be nice, set it up sloppy and.....
@stangcaptain4532
@stangcaptain4532 9 жыл бұрын
Pressure altitude is just setting 29.92 in the kohlsman right?
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 9 жыл бұрын
Stang Captain yes when you set 29.92 in the kohlsman window you then read your pressure altitude from the face of your altimeter!
@stangcaptain4532
@stangcaptain4532 9 жыл бұрын
Helicopter Online Ground School Thanks, that's what I assumed the DPE was going for unless he wanted the formula.
@robertgary3561
@robertgary3561 2 жыл бұрын
No, remember he said that he wanted him to do it on paper, not in the helicopter. I've gotten this question on 1/2 dozen or so of my checkrides (I'm a ratings collector). The answer is its 100 feet for every tenth inch.
@jeremylakenes6859
@jeremylakenes6859 Жыл бұрын
Pressure altitude? Just turn the knob to 29.92?
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback
@robertgary3561
@robertgary3561 2 жыл бұрын
I don't think #3 was a legitimate failure. The PTS says autorotation standard is 200 feet private, 100 feet commercial/CFI
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback!
@yoitsblade2180
@yoitsblade2180 6 жыл бұрын
So your telling me that if you pass everything else an your a awesome student but you fail at 1 thing all that money an time is just fucking gone like really why do ya'll do that..that's crushing people's dreams just because they missed 1 thing I wanna be a pilot but now I feel like if I mess up I'll be homeless because yall will say nope sorry but thanks for the 50 thousand dollars
@HelicopterGround
@HelicopterGround 6 жыл бұрын
We are good at what we do. We prepare people to pass and that is what they do. :) Thanks for watching and commenting. Grab a free copy of Kenny Keller's book, "Helicopter Check Ride" Here is a link for the free download www.helicopterground.com/pl/1856 it will ask for an email, know that we DO NOT share it.
@robertgary3561
@robertgary3561 2 жыл бұрын
You get a notice of disapproval listing only those items you either failed or didn't do. Then you go back and only retake those specific items (at the DPE's option). In theory a DPE can ask you to redo them all but I've never seen that. You don't even need to use the same DPE.
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