I'm 6'3" 230lb, and shoot my P365 as accurately as any pistol I own. I think it's a combination of great trigger, ergonomics, and sights. Even as tiny as it is, the shape of the grip makes the ergos really nice. I love the gun, and I'm a big time Glock guy.

Love ya both, Honest, and informative. Thanks and that’s why I subscribed! Keep up the good work.

The guy and his it’s too small crap is just funny as hell. I’m 6’2” and over 200 pounds also with large hands and both my Hellcat and my 365 are easily manipulated and shoot just fine. Yeah they’re small guns and thats why i purchased um. Sounds like a training issue to me. It’s called dexterity. 😉

That little bit about the trigger safety and how finger placement can hinder it's engagement was a great point.

I went with the Hellcat simply because of the amount of issues the P365 had when it was released. Still have yet to hear of any breakages or failures from the Hellcat. I also like the sights and the additional round on the Hellcat. It has become one of my favorite guns to shoot. I find it has a very nice natural point of aim and I don't find it that "snappy" that others complain about... it's actually a very controllable gun for me (6', 220lbs).

I have a Springfield XD mod 2 and wanted something smaller for summer / t shirt concealment. Went back and forth between the hellcat and p356 and ended up choosing the p365 because it fit my hand more naturally and I’m not a small chick at 5’11 185lbs I’ve had the sig for about 6 months now and couldn’t be happier.

Great review... you folks always put out good contents.

What a great video. In the past month, my girlfriend and I purchased a hellcat and a p365 in a manner that is directly mirrored by the preferences of you guys in this video.

You're right, Neil. It was the most honest review I've seen of both guns. Well done. I like hearing honest opinions--even when they are opinions--instead of press release talking points. Me, I'm kinda torn between the Hellcat and an XDM Elite Compact OSP. I like the size/weight/capacity of the Hellcat, but I shoot my XDM 4.5" OSP really, really well. So many choices...

Thanks for the awesome video and great advice. Keep up the good work and stay safe out there 🙏

I own a S&W .38 special and a Walther PPS .40 caliber. I’m in the market for a Bodyguard .380 but today I saw a Hellcat and really liked how it felt in my hands. I still haven’t held the Bodyguard in my hands but hopefully I will. Nice video and great suggestions from Kim and her friend.

Great review, thank you. I subscribed because it was so nice I want to see what you guys have to say about other products. That being said I was all sold on the Hellcat myself and went down to the store, mainly because of the capacity size and the cutout for the RMR on top of the slide, but then I see that it's made in Croatia? Nothing wrong with Croatia but the other one is made in US. Thankfully my local store had an exclusive on the P365 and they gave it to me with three 12 round magazines for the same price, it is the SAS model but with the laser I was already planning on putting on it, that's even better for deep conceal.

My 365XL took some getting used to size-wise, but my duty gun was a G23, which may be why I don't notice any snappiness. What I love about the thing is that I never consider leaving it at home. It's the most comfortable gun for concealed carry I've ever owned. I still carry my Glock on cold days under heavy outerwear, but other than that, I'm happy with the Sig.

These are both guns which I’ve been interested in buying for myself. It was nice to see the side by side comparison. Thanks for doing it.

I’m 6’2”, 200 lbs and recently shot a friend’s Sig 365 and really liked it. My EDC is the LCP in warm weather & Smith 340PD in jacket weather so snappy recoil is no problem for me. Thanks for the video, interesting comparison.

Great video. Useful information so one can make a knowable purchase. Thanks to both of you.

Awesome side by side comparison guys!! I bought my dad's Hellcat from him, he said the trigger really pinched his finger under recoil. I haven't experienced that with it but I do think the felt recoil is more than my 365. Awesome stuff as always guys

thanks for the honest reivew. I appreciate the feedback from both of you. Keep up the great work. Hopefully, I will get to take one of your courses and talk to you in person.

love my 365. My hands fit it fine. I did swap out the grip assembly for the 12 round XL. Super easy to swap. Love it. Daily carry now for a couple of years. (P365X--Mullet gun.)

Good review! I like your truthful ways. I do have smaller hands and like my P 365 . . Job well done ! Thankyou

Great review, Thanks for your perspective.

Thanks for the thorough, honest review. I have medium sized hands and the sig fits my hand well. Recoil with my carry loads is not too snappy and it come back on target easily. I have not fired the Hellcat but that trigger bothers me. But like you guys said if you train on it properly properly, it should (may?) not be a problem. I will stick with my sig (just my vote). Thanks again.

Another quality video. Thank you both.

Well done. Extremely informative and “no dog in the fight” honesty. I don’t own either gun but I have handled both. I would go with the Hellcat solely based on the grip feel. I like a full palm (fat) grip. I get that with my Glock 32. Thanks.

REALLY starting to enjoy the videos by the both of you. Short and to the point. Just a FYI... During my CPL class, which was given at my local police department, by a police commander, he stated that; Of all the shootings involving our cities police officers, there was only one incident where an officer actually lined up his shot using the guns sights! That one time was from a city sniper. Could you do a video displaying the accuracy of this scenario ? This is, in my opinion , going to be the case with the majority of self defense shootings. Again, love you guys! Keep up the good work!

Nice video as always. I haven't fired the Hellcat, but I fired a rented 365 at the Range about a year ago and found it to be surprisingly accurate for me. I ended up buying a used M&P 9c which is a little bigger, and have since bought several other handguns and rifles. But I liked the 365 a lot and have recommended it to friends. Keep up the good work. 🇺🇸

Great comparison video. Thanks folks.

Thanks for the information and a fun video.

Thank You both for that video. I think i would lean more for the Sig now. Thanks again & keep doing what you do. Ron H 👍

So no mention of the modular design of the Sig and its FCU? For example, I replaced the standard P365 grip module with the XL version which helped with the mag changes that Neil complained about. It also has the extended beaver tail for better control and the 12 round magazines fit flush. It literally took less than a minute to switch grip modules. I'm 6' 1" / 200 lbs and love my hybrid P365!

Opposed to the common response, I’ll take the Hellcat... great review, man!

Nice to see someone knows how the run there slide! Good job young lady!

One Handed shooting is great super conceal nice back up for my Raptor Ultra 45 ,works great with Alien ankle holster, Great Review showing 2 totally different body types, just subscribed

I did get a rail mod for my P365XL, so I added an APL-C on my 365, and believe they make them for both versions. I prefer my 320 for carry when I can, but the 365XL is nice when it is warmer out (most of the year in Phoenix. ) Extra cost, and a silly choice to make proprietary rails, but there are options.

Nice review, thanks for the review.

Great review guys!

Great video guys, interesting to see how far forward SIG's trigger is, directly under the ejection port, was wondering if this has an effect on the recoil and consequent after shot sight alignment, your thoughts?

I like my hellcat but for larger hands it's more of a challenge to release the mag. Also I installed an ext. Mag release. The palm though does interfere with the mag. Good video

I just got the Sig sauer P365 and I have large hands, it's not bad with the 12+1,.its pretty accurate to shoot with is and nice to carry. So far I am happy with my Sig.

I own both of these guns and while I really like things about them I’ve noticed the sig will sometimes have feeding issues with low quality ammo where the hellcat will feed flawlessly with any ammo. Has anyone else experienced this?

Great job guys!

I own both, they’re both great, really great for what they are, sub compact, high capacity handguns, every video I’ve watched on the comparison is right on, the Hellcat has a beefier grip and feels better in my hand, The Sig is a little less snappy, and the trigger on the Hellcat is much more crisp. The Sig p365 makes a 15 round magazine, so capacity is no longer a issue. I carry a Beretta 92FS, my wife wanted something smaller, so we bought the Sig “TacPac” which comes with 3, 12 round mags and a holster. Decent, nothing spectacular, but a decent Holster, that you can convert from IWB/OWB. It was $549.99 with Tax $590. The Hellcat was $529.99, $570 with tax, the Hellcat is optic ready it was a OSP version. I carry the Sig as a backup, my wife shot both and she says the Hellcat was more comfortable, so I was going to take the one she didn’t choose 😂. I’ve only put about 1,000 rounds through each, but I’ve had no issues, no malfunctions. So, for now, I’m satisfied with both, and feel confident and comfortable knowing, if God forbid, my wife had to defend her life, and my daughters, that she has, what seems for now, a reliable, well functioning firearm, being chambered in .9mm adds to that security. I know at close range, a bullet is a bullet, but the JHP have significant stopping power. I highly recommend both. Just one man’s opinion. Moving to AZ from the people’s communist republic of NYC, is the best decision I’ve ever made 😊. Last, but not least, I love the tritium sights on both firearms also. I lean more toward the Sig because all 3 dots have the Florescent green glow. The Hellcat’s front sight is much brighter than the Sig, then it has the U shape rear sight. Both excellent, however I do prefer the 3 dot, the the U.

The aftermarkets availability for the 365 hands down wins it for me. Took my 365 to the range when I first got it and compared it with the xds it was replacing for my edc . My shot group was more accurate as well. If you love to customize your firearms your going to love the 365.

Hey Guys, great review. Your video popped up on my home page, which is crazy because I just realized you guys were just teaching a class when my buddy and I came in this weekend. We hit the rifle range, then the pistol bay!! Is a very small world!!!

Thank you both for your truth and honesty.

I appreciate the side by side comparison, from 2 very different viewpoints! makes for interesting arguments for both firearms! I think its kinda ridiculous to put a red dot on one of those little micro compacts, but it does sound fun!! Thanks for the great content!! ;)

I'm a Springfield man 100% I got a Hellcat bout a month ago and I love it, it is small for my hands,but it'll get job done if I need it!!! I do have XD .45 and it's a beast, it is my favorite so far!!!

I have the sig p365 sas and tactical development has a rail that you put on so you can attach any light you want. So now there are more options not just the sig brand light and the tlr6.

I agree that finding the right gun is really about how a person is built and on their personal preference. I am a short guy with short arms and short hands. I tend to gravitate towards shorter stocked shotguns and rifles and smaller handguns. My main pistol is a Smith and Wesson Shield .380 EZ. It’s fits in my hand great and it’s effortless to load and rack. (The loading part is the most attractive feature)

Good stuff. My EDC is a G26 with G19 round magazine and Xgrip with TLR6. I'm going to try out the P365Xl and see if I like it. I'm 5ft 4 inches and husky build, so my hands are small hehe.

I had the P365 and liked it. Then I had a chance to shoot and play with the Hellcat. The Hellcat was better in every way. Easier to load mags and a full mag went into the gun smoother. I thought the sights were better on the Hellcat. It felt better and more controllable in the hand. I'm only 5'9" and 160lbs and medium to small hands. I shot the Hellcat so much better. Yep, I sold the P365 and got the Hellcat. It's been a little over a year now and still no regrets. I carry appendix with a Kusiak Leather holster.

Great video! I think an important thing for those looking to buy a sig p365 as a EDC gun but are concerned with the size of the grip,hogue makes a grip sleeve that makes the whole grip a little bigger and it absorbs more of the shock,instantly helped my accuracy with the gun and made it much more comfortable and the grip was only 12 bucks on Amazon

I just bought a HELLCAT. For me the grip feels better and I can manipulate the mag release better however I was considering the P365 also so I left it to God to choose so I walked into my local gunshop and they were out of the P365 but had the HELLCAT so it made my decision way easier. Great video as always 👍

Traded my xl for hellcat. I liked tge triggerbreak on on the springfield over the xl. The 128 power factor loads seemed more pleasurable to shoot than the nato and +p+. The slide stays open 1/4 of the time on last round on springfield. I sm sure i would be happy too with regular 365. the xl is just stepping a little too much into g19 territory.

The Sig's angle on the grip, the banana curve, seems like it is much better designed to counteract recoil.

I carry a 43x with the Shield Arms mags. I’ve shot the 365 regular and XL as well as the Hellcat. I agree other than the XL the regular and Hellcat are too small and I’m only 5’8. If I weren’t happy with my 43x I’d carry the XL. If I had to pick between the two you’re reviewing I’d pick the Hellcat.

Hickok45 is 6'8" and owns 2 Sig 365s so I decided to give one a try. I'm 6'2 with large hands too so I bought a 12 round magazine and a Talon pro grip Now it's my main carry gun.

The manual for the hellcat says not to dryfire. Is that not accurate?

I am leaning towards the hellcat because I can keep the rear sights while using a red dot. Unlike the P365 XL.

What length barrel on the have sig? 3.1” or 3.7”?

I just got the Sig P365 last month. I mounted a Holosun 407K on it. I shoot pretty good with a full size gun such as a Glock type platforms. So trying to get my trigger control better since it is snappy. I sold my Ruger LC9S and the Sig seems be less snappy.

I've had my Sig Sauer P365 for about a year now, and I shoot every weekend. I've shot literally thousands of rounds through it. There was one box of ammo that I had 3 failure to feeds, but other than that one batch of ammo I've had zero issues with the pistol. It is a very high quality firearm. I carry this weapon appendix iwb everywhere I go. It's as comfortable as a gun can be. I use a Kore Essentials gun belt and a Tulster kydex holster.

You can change the grip module by removing the fire control group by taking out one pin. The XL grip makes a world of difference, though it makes your 10 rnd mag useless.

At 6'5" 220lbs I'm a pretty big guy too. I use a Hellcat with an optic as an EDC. It's not a lot of fun to go put 300 rounds through at the range, but I have guns that are so that doesn't really matter to me. I will train with the Hellcat to keep myself familiar with it, but at the end of the day it's a CCW that I hope I NEVER have to fire. It's really nice to be able to carry in shorts and a t-shirt and have no printing. I can pocket carry the Hellcat too, even with the optic installed. To me, it's all about carrying. As a CCP holder I know that more than likely I will carry my gun every day at least 12 to 15 hours a day but will probably never draw it and use it in self defense (hopefully I'll never use it). So trying to carry a G17 sized gun that may get left at home is not as good an option as having the Hellcat on me wherever I go. Whether it's in a pocket holster tucked in my waistband or in my pocket, an IWB holster, or an ankle holster. I know I can carry anywhere, anytime I want to. For times when the Hellcat is a little too big, I have an LCP I keep around. The Hellcat has a nice "index" feature where the stippling has been carried up to the side of the frame giving you reference points for your thumb. Great for us big handed people who don't want flash burns on their thumb. Just put your thumb on the index point and you're good to go. The Hellcat also has a SLIGHTLY protruding guide rod which can help keep the gun in battery should you be grappling or have the gun up against someone. The coup de gras for me was the optic cut. In a self defense situation, I like to keep my eyes focused on the threat, not on my front sight. So the dot seals the deal.

The P365xl is my EDC. Love it! You should do a compare of the XL to the G43.

I have 2 xdm,1 xds, but I still prefer the p365 over the hell cat. I even prefer it to p365xl. The mag drop is an issue put when I carry it I don’t carry a second mag. So it’s a non issue. I also carry 124g+p ammo I have no issues in recoil management. I have even started switching my xdms over to the sig sights. That way I always the same site picture.

I operated Sig’s 365 and the 365XL, those mag releases are faulty. Hard to press due to sitting too flush or flat and it sort of faces frontwards. It is awkwardly placed. It also does not eject properly. I wrote Sig about it as I found quite a few people around and on youtube that also complain about it. I reached out to Sig to see if they planned on updating the two pistols in the near future with a fix, and all I got in return was the concern will be passed on to the production department.

Out of everything I’ve owned the shield plus is the only one I’ve ever had a trigger safety issue with (trigger finger to high) & the only one I’ve ever been magazine pinched by…

Nice video, and I like the his and hers opinions. I'm looking for something for my girlfriend now, and she's only really used my PPS and M&P9 M2. Also, just caught your videos, and nice to see someone local.

I really like my hellcat . I have never had a malfunction and I noticed that the one you shot didn’t lock the slide on an empty mag. Mine has never failed to lock the slide!

Slowhand74 I wear 2xl gloves and have a size 16 wedding ring and the size of my 365xl doesn't bother me at all. Most comfortable etc I have. I carry an extra 15 round mag also.

Great review no one has talked about the grip size in detail like you guys! Personally I like the bigger sized grip!

Kim those girls your packing are the main reason why I'm a big fan! Keep up the excellent work & watch out for those hot shells.

Glad Neil shared his stats. Was wondering for comparison. Now I know it’s not just me thinking it’s a tiny gun.

I would like to get my hands on that, I love them snappy. It appears to have exceptional ergonomics and would fit my hands perfectly. The pistols looked pretty sweet too.

I love my P365. I have shot the hellcat and the P365 is less snappy and although the Hellcats front sight is brighter in light the 3 dot tritium is much better in dark, yay Kim :-) I really see the problems with the huge hands. Happy TG.

Great review

The bore axis is a bit higher in the hand, on the hellcat. Its not much of a difference, though a refined shooter might notice.

Nice and I'm loving those twins. I'd love to go on maneuvers either of them. These basically the same exact guns. Me and those Sigs would have Hellcat of a time. :-)....

LOL right off the bat, I'm with Kim from a comfort/grip standpoint. I wear a medium glove and one of my favorite carries is an XDS SC 40. Hard to slip a 1911 or a Desert Eagle into you hoodie pocket 😀👍 When you get a little older you'll appreciate that U notch because it's quicker to acquire with older eyes. Who says and where is it written you MUST shoot two handed ???

YES. I've been researching these two guns a lot and I put a lot of weight in your reviews. I'm just not sure how confident I feel carrying a gun in a cancan concealment belly band with no safety (I don't want the manual safety version).

I am very interested in both these guns. Good to see a review from you.

I love that t-shirt. Can you let me know who does your t-shirts im interested in getting my company some.

Owning both, for me they're both so close to each other I really don't notice the differences. In the nature of full disclosure, I've been using an ancient Mk4 Series 80 Stainless Officers ACP for way too long, and finally decided I had to modernize on the EDC side of things. When you're used to a small 45, neither one really "snaps", and the 1911 trigger is what it is where the Hellcat or P365 really can't compete. The one thing that annoyed me about the Hellcat is the U-sight, but I guess that's why I put the RMRcc on it first, and will put a red dot on the P365 in the near future, more because I'm getting old and need reading glasses these days to see the front sight (and the dot's do bring up a new set of challenges.)

2:59 One thing we noticed right away.....

sweet patch plug for us patch enthusiasts

The first time Kim shot the Sig (with ammo) I noticed her stance. It took me back to the video series (I think there were 8) for beginner to "body stacker" Niel (if I remember correctly) had a hard time getting Kim to lean into the target, nose over toes thing. Kim did it perfectly without any coaching. .......they grow up so fast.......Lol

Awesome video 👍

Grip without 12-round mag is too small, agreed. With 12-round extended mag is good, but XL grip is the answer for me, 6'2", 11.5 glove.

Poor Kim you did a great job on this review. Keep up the good work you could probably do really well even if you decided to do your own channel

In my Sig p365, I use the sig 12rd mags for iwb carry, and the 10rd mags for pocket carry. Love my p365, because a smaller more comfortable/concealable gun carried trumps world's best hand cannon left at home. I do switch to M&P 9 2.0 Compact if heading into questionable areas.

I love my p365xl fits my short stubby fingers perfect! Also alot less kick with the slightly longer barrel

Missed your videos,its been a minute.

Hellcat felt much snappier to me, too. What's weird is that the P365XL is only like 10% bigger, but it shoots 25-30% softer.

For goodness sake, the guns are "hideout" guns, not IDPA, USPSA, or any other target competition. I'm a big guy with really big hands too, but I'm able to shoot both guns. The SIG is my favorite of the two. Oh, the Springfield does have a bit more felt recoil and muzzle jump.

I like my hellcat havent noticed excessive recoil and I shoot it nearly as good as my ppq. Also takes laserlight

I had issues with the mag release on the Sig. None with the Hellcat. I have small hands. IF I could Frankenstein a gun, I'd put the trigger of the Sig on the Hellcat. Make the Hellcat a little easier to rack the slide and a little less recoil. Then it would be my perfect EDC. I absolutely love the sights on the Hellcat. My eye found the sight perfectly and accurately each time.

To me the P365 has hardly any recoil. Super accurate for a small gun too.

I have the p365 and I love it I also have the shield 2.0 not so much of a fan the grip is smaller on the shield

Awesome video!!!!! Love the reviews coming from a man and woman perspective