This videos to bring awareness to the situation, not to create outrage, let's be respectful to the devs ❤️

I've been using flamethrower since the update. Not because it is meta, but because the flames look cool when I'm on stims. No I'm not addicted to stims. I can quit any time.

I hope they don't think of creating a fireproof type of beetles...

I ascribe to the caveman principle: Bug bad. Fire hot. Look cool. Bug gone. Fire good.

A little stupid that the flamethrower is a better heavy killer than the specialized heavy killer weapons

Quasar still has long range utility with no ammo concerns or backpack reliance. In calmer moments I can use it to snipe Sporeshrooms, Shrieker nests, bug holes, and automaton buildings if the angle is right.

the antitanks actually can oneshot their leg armor plates, you just need to give them momentum. They falloff by one damage which removes their breakpoint to kill the plate, but if youre moving forward your velocity offsets the falloff and they can once again strip the leg plates. TLDR hold w when shooting the rocket at the leg plates and itl break it

I’m seeing more chargers, not less. They’re spawning in pairs. You can easily end up with 4 chargers right after diving.

I think they forgot to reduce the number of chargers per patrol when replacing them with behemoth version. I saw 3 behemoth and 1 charger in single patrol

Really hope fire damage does not get nerf. For someone like me who isn't very good- it's the only way I can take on the bugs head on.

“We hear you, now we have reduced fire damage by 75%”

Moving forward cancels out damage fall-off, which is usually at least 1 even at those relatively close ranges. It's strange, I know.

Arrowhead: "we don't want to make a meta, everything should be fun and viable" Also Arrowhead: "so you basically need a way to kill 50+ behemoth chargers at the same time cause you know, we're Arrowhead"

A wise man once asked, "How do you like your zerg, regular or extra crispy?" One the one hand, fire is still riding high on all the buffs it generally got while they appeared to be not understanding that it wasn't being used because it didn't work for anyone but hosts. On the other, I think it mostly marks the point other things need to be buffed too rather than deserving a nerf. The better non-fire options are already up there with or even better than fire, at least situationally. Basically the apparent desire by the old balance team to make the game high ttk canceled out with their misunderstanding of why nobody was using fire and they accidentally landed it in a fairly good spot that other under performing stuff should aim for. Also the charger behemoth is a mistake and it is fucking up the bug meta. The flamethrower is the only viable bug support weapon.

I personally think that there are more chargers now but ok 😅

The gas orbital is also fantastic. Just drop it on a bug breach every time it comes off cooldown and watch the kills stack!

I'm a little sad the incendiary breaker is now top of the charts because the playstyle isn't the most fun. But hey, peppering enemies and watching them die works super well.

This has been my favorite load out for a while, and I am both excited and concerned that it’s soo good now

*Only if +25% fire damage Ship Module is unlocked.

And there are leaks suggesting the next warbond is fire themed.

I really think the Normal Breaker and Spray and Pray shotguns need buffs. It’s not that they’re bad it’s just that the incendiary breaker is just the best if both worlds with the bonus of doing fire damage. If it were me, I’d just give the Normal breaker more ammo per mag, even if it’s just one extra round. The spray and pray should use buckshot instead which means more damage, but it should have way more ammo in reserve. Like 8 or 10 reserve magazines. So if it were me it would look like this: - Breaker : Highest damage per shot but limited ammo capacity. - Breaker Incendiary: Good damage per shot, good ammo capacity, and of course fire damage. - Breaker S&P : Does the same damage as the Incendiary Breaker but much more reserve ammunition.

The fact the damage is inconsistent to kill some enemies as you mentioned is due to weapons having a damage drop off of ≈1 as soon as you shoot them and the way the game calculates damages based on projectile velocity means that when you move forward, if you are within a somewhat close distance, you can counteract the damage drop off. This is likely an unintentional feature due to the calculation of linear damage drop off over distance. There are some great videos about this that offer more detail, highly recommend them,

Btw, you only feel the "reduction" in heavy armor via the lack of bile titans... Chargers, if anything, have had their spawn rates rocket through the roof. Ran a lvl 5 where we had at least 7 chargers active at once and had more spawning in as we dealt with them. My squad consistently ran into groups of three chargers and EVERY. SINGLE. PATROL. had at least 1 in it. This coupled with horde spawns being raised to "compensate" means we usually got hit by 2 patrols at a time from different directions. The stated reason for changing spawn rates was to allow players to bring LESS anti tank... yet they go and toss in a mob that just soaks anti-tank and spawns like a rabbit in spring... AH can't balance their way out of a paper bag.

thank you takibo your videos are very informational ive learned a lot from it

with the increase of smaller units, i spy a new kill record on the horizon

Great points regarding flamethrowers and other incendiary weapons for terminids. I’ve tended to use those types of weapons a lot after watching you, but will note that a supply pack and grenade launcher is also extremely effective against the bugs (incl. their holes).

I‘ve been wondering why sometimes quasar shot takes off charger‘s leg armor and sometimes not. Now you‘ve made it clear. Thanks!

@the_takibo , have you tried the changes on the laser cannon? I’ve heard it melts chargers and armored now. Would love to see you do a trial.

What sort of fire secondary weapon would you like to see? Pocket flamethrower? Flare gun? Cutting torch? Perhaps some sort of sparkler dealy that causes a bit of blindness?

Ive been rocking full fire loadout for quite a while now, i see now why i didnt feel the increase in difficulty like everyone says

It’s annoying because the arc is REALLY good against Bile Spewers. 3 shots and they’re toast, plus they usually walk in a line so you can kill like 4 with 3 shots. It would be nice if they increased the likelihood of the arc popping off leg armour. It would be a really god mechanic for it without being too OP. 17 shots to kill a behemoths just makes it unusable with everything else going on. In multiplayer Arc and Flamethrower pair up really nicely though. The stagger from the arc keeps the enemies back nicely and you get a good cross section of damage.

Also keep in mind that this really applies for solo play. In a full squad, things like this become irrelevant because you can have 1 person dedicated to tank busting while the rest deal with adds. This still gives relevance to things like the MG, Arc Thrower, and other add clear since only 1-2 ppl need to worry about AT weapons.

I tried doing a support load out similar to the one you're doing in the video and my team did well the first few matches then once people started dying to their own strategems they left but me and another person stayed and made bank in Samples so I wasn't upset.

move forward WHEN you use the EAT/quasar/recoiless for 1 shot the leg's armor of behemoth charger ;)

They made the AT support weapons the best pick and people weren't having viable options outside of them. Then they decided to change things up so we have more viable options by making it so the flamethrower feels like a must have if you don't want to run away from chargers the entire game. 10/10 variety

What is the best method/body part to taking down bile titans with the flamethrower?

honestly before this update i had literally never seen a charger behemoth (as someone who plays on 8-9 diff.)

Last matches we had like 3 Bile Titans with aproximately (stopped counting) 4 Behemoth Chargers and 41235 Medium and Smaller Bugs running around. There is just no way to stop this kind of wave effectively. Guess Level 9 shall be that hard and I respect that since it is the HARDEST.

Pls try the Scorcher on EVERY TERMINID if you have the patience and good aim. You will be surprised. Scorcher, Flamethrower, Supply Pack.

I’ve been enjoying running crossbow with flamethrower since the recent patch. My prior load out was breaker incendiary with flamethrower but I felt vulnerable versus spewers. I feel quite well rounded now even if the crossbow is a bit weaker choice without spewers

thank you for not making a rage bait video just true facts and givin information we need more people like you

They need to make a fire proof suit of armor for divers

sorry but what website are you using for inspect enemy's stats ?

Takibo, you do a lot of data analysis and you seem to have a good handle on how this game plays. How would you handle this issue?

I'm even seeing a ton more hive guards. Making light armor pen weapons quite a bit less effective.

The fire buff could make next month more interesting, as the next warbond is currently hinting at being fire themed.

I just joined a team on terminid mission with 3 flamethrowers so I also equipped one. We successfully re-created Hellmire on Lesath p/s: also 2 of us brought napalm and 1 had incendiary mine

Flamethrowers have been my go-to weapon for the bugs since I started playing the game and got my hands on it. So I think that it is cool that it is brought back into the game. For Heavy armored bugs... I would take the Qasar cannon or the expendable anti tank rockets... so I would use both stratagems... with the stress one forgets the strategy, but when I dont forget it is a breeze to clean up the mess of the swarms of bugs. The Arc Throwers worked better for me with the bots as well as any energy related weapon for that matter.

Are some of the clips slightly sped up cos I swear ur moving so much faster than me

I’ve played quite a few matches on level 9 with the update. Anti armor is needed now more then ever. There’s still quite a solid armored terminus presence. Also these new chargers (with the weird head and grey armor) take like 3 shots from armor pen weapons, like the rec rifle.

Id be totally fine with making it so you need to shoot a charger behemoth's leg with an AT weapon and kill it with your primary. It would give some really nice variation when mixed in with normal chargers. The big problem is that you need to move forward while shooting lmao. Its inconsistent

Anti-Tanks not one shotting IS a bug and Thiccfila just uploaded a video that shows and explains the walking forwards Also one build to rule them is perfection

So what's the play if your map rolls oops all armoured spewers? altf4?

Hey Bro This is a very useful video. Also, it will be really interesting if you show some examples of your personal loadout builds which you think the best. Thank you

the leg shot damage suffers from "momentum loss" which has been explored in another youtube video which I unfortunately cannot find right now, but the conclusion was that if you move away from enemy there is a damage falloff that leaves 1hp on charger's leg.. to remedy this you need to walk towards the enemy when shooting to add "momentum" to your shots IF they are standing still... I never knew momentum actually is a thing in damage calculation

I wonder if when you’re walking towards a behemoth charger and firing, also effects other anti tank stratagems? Such as the railgun and RR.

Which support weapon would be the equivalent for the Automatons?

1:55 behemoth did spawn before this but rarely, and they mostly got mixed up with regular chargers during combat edit:i saw one as a guard on a evacuate mission, but not during breaches

The leg armor health is not a "glitch", but a result of how the game calculates falloff damage. Every weapon looses 1 damage the moment it is fired, to start the falloff damage calculation. So instead of 650, they do 649 damage. Moving forward adds momentum, which actually ups the damage, crossing the breakpoint of 650 again. Not so much a glitch as it is a coding oversight. This will probably get fixed.

On a similar topic.. do u reckon we will ever have a fire retardant armor perk?

I find pairing myself with arc thrower and termites do the trick for chargers and bile titans if I am feeling dancy under their feet

Really seeing then the Recoilless shining with tandem load for the behemoths.

Great Video! Cool to see the specific interaction changes with the Behemoth Chargers now, definitely noticed an increased spawn rate at Helldive (9). I have been running the Flamethrower with the Breaker Incendiary for a while now, using the Stun Grenade to basically negate chargers and get out of sticky situations and the Grenade Pistol for Bug Holes. Medic Armour is great all round and especially for if you get set on fire, paired with the Shield Backpack to live longer, Napalm Airstrike for Horde Clear and Bug Breaches, and the 500KG Bomb for Bile Titans. (The 25% Buff to Fire Damage Upgrade was also HUGE!!)

I feel like I see more charger behemoths than anything tbh But the fact that I play in groups of 4 usually (sometimes solo) I still see a lot of bile titans. So I still rock the quasar cannon pretty regularly

technicly the shrieker patrols are also a buff for mgs and exo-45 as it is as effficient as breaker incidiary for that

That flame shoots further then when i use it, is it because im on console

To be fair, idk about solo but whenever I don't take a quasar or EAT I end up missing it a lot for dealing with spore spewers and shrieker nests.

Where do you find out how much hp enemies have?

How does the gas strike fare against the bugs?

I completely agree with you. I'm not a very huge skilled player but it took me a few minutes to understand the power of fire loadout and I completely switched from Quasar to Flamethrower due to this.

Yeah, i found out about said chargers yesterday

I love using the flamethrower/ gernade launcher agaisnt the bugs. Although on tougher difficulties there is still alot of chargers / bile titans.

I just got the enhanced combustion module

I havent seen behemots in a while but i recall being able to oneshot them with EATs in the head by aiming under the faceplate straight into the mouth. For that you need to be prone. Not sure uf its still relevant gonna test that.

now if only my teammates in random pubs could learn how massive the friendly fire zone on the flamethrower is

Don't forget that the way we used to kill chargers was with 2 railgun shots to the leg to expose it then finish with a primary. Nobody should be concerned about the difficulty of hitting their legs. Additionally, you can often damage their legs with a primary weapon even when it looks like the armor is still there.

Thanks for all of this cool info. I love the fact that you kept it neutral or positive and that you have a pinned comment to keep it respectful to the devs.

the update also added environmental death zones, my group lost a bunch of resources because there was like 8 or so around a nest.

Tbf, the flamethrower used to deal too little damage even with the improved combustion upgrade (which sometimes didn't work as intended), but now its really worth using.

You also run out of ammo much faster now since more chaff clearing.

What’s the best backpack to use with the flamethrower?

The buff to the grenade launcher makes it OP against hordes. Pummeler stuns stalkers plus you can run and gun bc it’s one handed. Bring two elite killing strategems. Impact grenades above all others. Grenade pistol the best when you initially drop without support weapons and need the fire power. Supply backpack gives you basically unlimited sticks, grenades, and ammo.

I don't know if they will change the moving gives more damage on AA. The whole reason that works is cause there's drop off damage on everything and for some reason, that also goes off our own momentum on our character

Would you say the shield or the supply pack is best with the flame thrower?

I love the flame thrower but im using alot more options. I like the emplacement gatling barrage and just experimentin

Rocket pods are a godsend for dealing with behemoths, opens them up so good

Was the quazar changed in the update? I dont remember seeing anything but the cool down feels quicker

I was Recoilless enjoyer since day one (before they buffed it to be able to one shot head shot chargers). I thought it was an interesting and fun to play around mechanic to have to blow off its leg armor and then shoot it with primary/secondary. The issue now is the increased spawn rates though.

Does fire from various sources stack?

Why do I have 8 behemoth chargers spawning with 3 bile titans at once then on drill missions?

“But they were all of them deceived, for another meta was formed…”

The big chargers did spawn before the update but they where realy rare

As for the charger behemoths, The leg armor has 650 health and all weapons have damage fall off as soon as they leave the barrel so shooting their legs leaves it with 1 health but damage is also calculated by velocity so walking forward makes up for that 1 damage, it's not a glitch

If you move forward with a quasar while a behemoth charges you, you can sometimes one shot their head. It’s so inconsistent. There have been times where a behemoth took 3 head shots from the quasar to kill

I would honestly love to see a fire related mortar or something.

machine gun slaps in this new update, I haven't had this much fun playing with OG weapons since the game launched.

next balance patch Pilestedt be like: Flame Thrower damage decreased by 50% Incendiary Breaker magazine size decreased from 26 to 12 Yeah have fun XD Known issues: Flame tick damage works only for host, again XD

well i keep seeing like 4 bile titans on screen after mission end

Really hope they lean towards bringing the other weapons in line with the viability of fire and increase the spawnrates a bit for added difficulty. Mowing down hordes of enemies in a horde shooter is fun. Bringing pea-shooters to said hordemode is not.

Ive been running the fire loadout but now it is peak violence!!!