Helmets: The Armet

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Knyght Errant

Knyght Errant

Күн бұрын

Today we take a look at my second favorite helmet, the armet; from its early form in the beginning of the 15th century to the most typical late 15th century styling.
1403 Effigy depicting an armet in Italy in the style of the CH57:
effigiesandbrasses.com/5630/20...
Reproduction armet purchased from Matul's:
www.matuls.pl/index.php?Lng=en
Detailed Photo Album of the Reproduction:
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@masonrudesheim9098
@masonrudesheim9098 8 жыл бұрын
"Caving in his buddy's face with a pole axe," I'm pretty sure that buddies don't do that to each other.
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 8 жыл бұрын
+Mason Rudesheim Maybe they weren't very close. :)
@masonrudesheim9098
@masonrudesheim9098 8 жыл бұрын
True, very true.
@TheCompleteMental
@TheCompleteMental 6 жыл бұрын
tis just a prank, brethren
@HandleMyBallsYouTube
@HandleMyBallsYouTube 4 жыл бұрын
You sure about that buddy?
@BlaBla-pf8mf
@BlaBla-pf8mf 4 жыл бұрын
"I can't believe you've done this!"
@corto4027
@corto4027 8 жыл бұрын
I think people often forget, or just don't think about, when bringing up scenarios on how armor can be defeated, is the fact that although your armor has weaknesses, so does your opponent's armor. And being competent knights or men-at-arms, you both know your armor's weaknesses, and defend against them being exploited, while trying to exploit the other's weaknesses. Just like any other fight.
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 8 жыл бұрын
+The Devil Precisely.
@Prometheus720
@Prometheus720 8 жыл бұрын
+Knyght Errant Somehow I doubt that in most cases you'd spend too much time focusing on the other bloke's armor and its (particular) weaknesses. You don't have time for that in a big brawl. If you were GoT-style dueling and you had time to break apart and circle, then yeah. But really you'd rely on techniques which would work against any armor configuration or at least the majority of them. Also, tehre probably weren't as many varieties of helmet at that time. We can look in history books and see thousands of different helmet designs, but only a few were probably in fashion in one area of the world, at one time, in one certain conflict. So when armets were popular, you might be taught by your instructor what the weaknesses of armets are and that would be it. You wouldn't be looking at it and saying "Hmmm, that's an armet, isn't it? What was I told about armets?" You're probably more interested in the state of his visor and his weapon. These are logical guesses supported by zero real-world experience, near-zero theoretical experience, and zero historical sources other than KZfaq videos. Please correct me if (when) I'm wrong.
@cheesychipmunk8382
@cheesychipmunk8382 5 жыл бұрын
That's part of the whole "armor isn't amazing" debunk. People often forget anyone with the money to afford one of these suits is going to be trained and prepared for a fight
@cwxdaf152
@cwxdaf152 7 жыл бұрын
The picket fence is pretty useful. You could impale a small piece of fruit on it for a handy snack.
@rchave
@rchave 6 жыл бұрын
Nothing beats a bevor full of jelly babies. (actually, hot weather and/or forgetting them does)
@isaccarce6548
@isaccarce6548 6 жыл бұрын
I like what you said, that armor isn't invulnerable, but most people don't realize that armor would greatly reduce a person's chances of dying.
@realdragon
@realdragon 2 жыл бұрын
Look at modern helmets, they don't prevent you from being shot straight in the face but greatly reduce chances from being shot in the head
@Trikipum
@Trikipum 3 ай бұрын
@@realdragon just that modern helmets dont "greatly reduce" chances from being shot in the head.. what are you talking about.. When a modern helmet stops a bullet, it is considered a "freak happening", what usually happens is that you get your head blown off anyway..
@realdragon
@realdragon 3 ай бұрын
@@Trikipum What I mean is helmets save lives and they always did
@zizkazenit7885
@zizkazenit7885 5 жыл бұрын
I came here after watching Lindybeige’s video about his sallet/armet frankenarmor. I like this video better, it has sources.
@MEUAR
@MEUAR 6 жыл бұрын
Exhaustive, crystal clear explanations, no sparing on the details, it's perfect! Everything any curious soul could ask for, ty buddy \o
@Squirrel4361
@Squirrel4361 7 жыл бұрын
The funniest description of fate aligning for an armor failure. . . LOL!!! "The Moon is in the Seventh House, and Jupiter is aligned with Mars" Priceless. . .
@malnutritionboy
@malnutritionboy 8 жыл бұрын
You know what i like more than helmets? Knowledge. I mean like seriously look at those books
@erloriel
@erloriel 2 жыл бұрын
I always love those little details that tell a story, like the extra plate at 13:50 It shows that getting your forehead caved in was at least a reasonable enough danger to warrant the expense and weight of adding another plate. What people often seem to forget is that every bit of these design evolutions is a response to some problem that the wearer would face. It is not a haphazard process, but somebody paying a lot of money for a vital piece of protective equipement.
@imlaughing2death
@imlaughing2death 8 жыл бұрын
Not gonna, lie, those teeth make that Armet look badass.
@melchaios
@melchaios 8 жыл бұрын
beautiful helmets, proably my favourite design with the sallet + visor as a close second place
@davidlowe1256
@davidlowe1256 6 жыл бұрын
6:11 I believe the technical term for this faceplate design is called the _toilet bowl_ design. The one you own is known as a _picket fence toilet bowl_ armet.
@LuvBorderCollies
@LuvBorderCollies 8 жыл бұрын
The thorough discussion of armor designs overall and specific components, really gives me a great appreciation of the maker's skills. Really amazing. Keep up the excellent work!
@Theo1505
@Theo1505 8 жыл бұрын
Nicely done. Thanks for another great video.
@FlubbersQuid
@FlubbersQuid 7 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate these informative videos. Very inspiring
@Xbuschwacker
@Xbuschwacker 8 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this incredible series.
@jacobcolle3746
@jacobcolle3746 7 ай бұрын
This was an insanely good video. Answered all of my questions. Thank you!
@AlexanderWernerJr
@AlexanderWernerJr 8 жыл бұрын
I like the way you present the evolution of the armour and I simply can't help marvelling at the beautiful design of the helmets. Great work!
@jean-lucfagnan7798
@jean-lucfagnan7798 3 жыл бұрын
This is a really great and informative video. Love the design of this helmet, both aesthetically and practically.
@bruce11lee
@bruce11lee 7 жыл бұрын
I love this style of helmet. Great video!
@knightforlorn6731
@knightforlorn6731 3 жыл бұрын
your videos really help man, I'm learning a lot
@VoltzNSmith
@VoltzNSmith 8 жыл бұрын
Great video. Seconding an episode on the sallet.
@Tatti12321
@Tatti12321 8 жыл бұрын
Best quality armour videos on the net, hands down. Production and information quality is perfectly delivered. Its really a shame, you should have as many views as Matt at least. I guess armour isn't as sexy a topic as swords.
@JustGrowingUp84
@JustGrowingUp84 8 жыл бұрын
+Battam Dude, he's not that well known yet, give it some time. When I subscribed to him, he only had 5k subscribers, now he has double that. Heck, when I subscribed to Matt, he had 30k subscribers, now he has triple! Also, Ian tends to make relatively long and scholarly videos, which tends to put off some people.
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 8 жыл бұрын
+Battam Spread the word, the more this stuff gets shared around, the more it helps! :) I certainly appreciate it! Yeah, I have kind of chosen a very niche area to drone on about, so I never expected the wide appeal of say a Lindybeige or Skallagrim, but maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised one day. I'll keep making videos as long as people keep finding them useful! I find it hard to make short videos on these topics because there's so much information and I don't want people to draw bizarre conclusions or misunderstand what I say so I try to get as much detail out as I can. Unfortunately, a lot of people see a 25 or 30 min video and go somewhere else, but I feel like I would be doing a disservice to some of these topics by cutting them too short. Thank you for your support!
@jaysbob
@jaysbob 8 жыл бұрын
I get excited everytime I see you've made a video and I've been looking forward to an armet video in particular. Thanks for all your hard work. Your armor videos are the best on youtube.
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 8 жыл бұрын
+jaysbob Thank you!
@KorKhan89
@KorKhan89 8 жыл бұрын
Great video, as always. Lots of stuff I didn't know about. I'd love to see you compare the armet with the later similar-looking but distinct close helm.
@GM6linx
@GM6linx 8 жыл бұрын
Amazing videos, keep them coming!
@Rayboblego
@Rayboblego 7 жыл бұрын
A very good an informative video. Great work!
@Grimdog102
@Grimdog102 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for going to so much effort dude. The amount of detail in your videos is amazing!
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you, and you're very welcome!
@tapioperala3010
@tapioperala3010 7 жыл бұрын
That helmet looks friggin' awesome.
@DevinSmith56
@DevinSmith56 8 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for these videos... Also, love that Razer Blade (laptop) that you have. I've done some repairs on one before and got to play around with it, and they're probably the nicest laptop I've ever seen.
@phoenixrising4573
@phoenixrising4573 7 жыл бұрын
Subbed last night, Thought I would post today: My major was history, minor was anthro(archaeology focus), and you sir would do well teaching at a collegiate level if you do not already. Your videos are well made, historically grounded, but also engaging and entertaining, and layed out in an expected and welcomed format. My interest was far more into nautical and mairtime topics, and I've recently begun putting together a roughly 16th century harness(unfortunately I'm having to make some concessions, as the armor is being used in SCA combat), and have found what you're presenting very helpful. So thanks, and I will be following you long term.
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the kind words. I'm glad that you're finding the content so enjoyable and helpful!
@johncarpenter3502
@johncarpenter3502 7 жыл бұрын
I second that! I also just subscribed. I am a 58 year old history nut and I find these videos fascinating and well done. I wish history classes in college were that well presented. Attendance would have been much better.
@ivanstrydom8417
@ivanstrydom8417 Жыл бұрын
Superb video sir.
@orionmelton3226
@orionmelton3226 6 жыл бұрын
My favorite helmets! I literally did not even know that these existed until I watched this a while back.
@mehmetcy84
@mehmetcy84 8 жыл бұрын
Another great video.
@xplatoon
@xplatoon 7 жыл бұрын
Highest quality of research and presentation about medieval equipment on KZfaq. Amazing!
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!
@ME-hm7zm
@ME-hm7zm 8 жыл бұрын
With these restrictive helmets, I suspect that you'd be raising visors / opening plates pretty much immediately after the lance charge is resolved, especially if you're in any kind of melee.
@TheOhgodineedaname
@TheOhgodineedaname 8 жыл бұрын
+Michael Eversberg II That is what a lot of period sources suggest. The sallet + bevor combo is good for this too since you can tilt it back a little.
@hjorturerlend
@hjorturerlend 8 жыл бұрын
+DushinSC Indeed Kaptein! An added bonus is that the tilted sallet acts as a brim, protecting the "exposed" face from downwards attacks from above. Kinda like the brims of some of the Hellenistic "Thracian" style helmets, which I really like :)
@ME-hm7zm
@ME-hm7zm 8 жыл бұрын
DushinSC I figure this was the norm with those big barrel helms over the sallet, as well - especially with the chain. As soon as you're past all the lances, off that thing comes. If it goes to the ground, oh well, get a new one later.
@colinmiddleton8127
@colinmiddleton8127 8 жыл бұрын
+Michael Eversberg II You'd be surprised actually. I've been doing some work with a HEMA group and it's amazing how many techniques don't require you to see very much.
@rchave
@rchave 6 жыл бұрын
It's not so much vision as breathing. People tend to underestimate the effect of rebreathing your own co2. Considering fitness is largely about being more efficient with oxygen, a lower % of it is pretty much a direct reduction to your cardio.
@SusFerrum
@SusFerrum 4 жыл бұрын
I find the sound quality through your bucket remarkable.
@user-nq2ij3zg2r
@user-nq2ij3zg2r 4 ай бұрын
23:00, you mention that the holes wouldn’t be as effective at reinforcing the picket fence as a solid plate, but I feel like the combined strength of the pickets and holes together would probably make up for that, being at least as strong together as a solid plate would be.
@LordLeovuldMeadowgrove
@LordLeovuldMeadowgrove 8 жыл бұрын
Great video, as always.^^
@junshynaza7990
@junshynaza7990 4 жыл бұрын
Cool that you actually wore the helmet, nice video
@Bova13
@Bova13 7 жыл бұрын
Great work Ian. Could you ever make one about the feathers and the crests in the helms? I just cant figure out how crests are put toguether over the helm.
@TheRadioactiveFX
@TheRadioactiveFX 8 жыл бұрын
Such an elegant design...
@anna_in_aotearoa3166
@anna_in_aotearoa3166 2 жыл бұрын
So amazing to see the way the cheek plates just open up like that in order to don the armet! Until seeing it, didn't realise that I truly hadn't thought about how those guys managed to get their heads INSIDE their very close-fitting helms! 🤦🏻‍♀️ Just demonstrates the huge value of 3D reproductions, which help interrogate all the 2D shapes we see in the contemporary artworks...
@gcknives139
@gcknives139 7 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see a video on the close helm.
@thatchannel195
@thatchannel195 6 жыл бұрын
GC Knives ikr
@felixk3814
@felixk3814 Күн бұрын
Great vid, I love your channel❤ Could you do more on the venetian bascinet? Why don't they have any breathing holes?
@TrollDragomir
@TrollDragomir 8 жыл бұрын
This series is absolutely amazing, fascinating topics and stunning reconstructions. I have a question, too. Do you know of any examples with helmets that had no vision slits, but all vision their visor offered would be holes similar to breaths? A noodle strainer visor, so to say :D
@effe125
@effe125 8 жыл бұрын
Hi Knyght ! I really do like your helmet series. Keep it up, could you make a sallet video please ? This would be really awesome, sallets are just so cool :)
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 8 жыл бұрын
+Dominique It will be coming. I just recently got hold of a friend's sallet and bevor, but I have not begun the work for the video, so hang in there and it will be here soon. :)
@billhsu6349
@billhsu6349 4 ай бұрын
The most beautiful and practical helmet ever.
@iviecarp
@iviecarp 6 жыл бұрын
24:45 pretty good is an understatement. That degree of peripheral vision is almost the complete 170 degrees expected without a helmet at all isn't it? Considering it's still a helmet, it's practically ideal.
@Rasgonras
@Rasgonras 8 жыл бұрын
Just a thought: maybe poleaxes and warhammers were designed to damage components like the hinges in order to expose it's wearer.
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 8 жыл бұрын
+Rasgonras A poleaxe doesn't even necessarily need to expose the wearer to hurt them :)
@Rasgonras
@Rasgonras 8 жыл бұрын
Knyght Errant That's true, maybe it would be a nice, unintended side effect? (for the attacker, that is ...)
@opiwaran354
@opiwaran354 6 жыл бұрын
25:46 praise the sun!
@gardenlizard1586
@gardenlizard1586 4 жыл бұрын
Picket fence visor is run the tip of sword down or up visor and picket fence does the rest IMO
@gokmasahala3032
@gokmasahala3032 3 жыл бұрын
COOL..TK'S FOR YOU TECHING ME....
@paulandsueroberts4121
@paulandsueroberts4121 8 жыл бұрын
Hi Ian,l had a couple visits to the imperial war museum (Leeds) last year,most interesting.I was wondering if you had managed to visit the UK or to Europe.keep up the good work,cheers.
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 8 жыл бұрын
+Paul and Sue Roberts I took a school trip to Europe (A few days each in England, France and Italy) when I was in high school many years ago, but I was far too young to appreciate it and the stay was far too brief in each location. I would love to go back now!
@flyboymike111357
@flyboymike111357 7 жыл бұрын
Without the visor, cheek pieces, or tail, and with a two-piece riveted-construction, this could also easily be sold as a helmet for the Yoaman Class.
@JETWTF
@JETWTF 6 жыл бұрын
With the wrapper plate and used more by cavalry I can imagine breathing wasn't as bad as the visor would be up more often than someone on the ground would have. Then I can see it being more required for cavalry because they are moving on a horse and there would be spears and swords pointing up from the ground making the impacts from them much more severe possibly able to bend the two cheek plates apart. A knight on the ground there wouldn't be the force multiplier called a horse so the chances of bending the plates is less and they would be moving about themselves rather than being carried so more breathing capabilities would be the better choice.
@yurisc4633
@yurisc4633 8 жыл бұрын
Can you make a video about armour fluting/fluted armour?
@chrisbritt4266
@chrisbritt4266 4 жыл бұрын
Neat I wonder how much a proper authentic reproduction good for combat would be
@thomasheydenreich6555
@thomasheydenreich6555 8 жыл бұрын
Again a very excellent video! I really appreciate your channel. I have one question regarding the sort aventail on the example you have showed: as it is attached to the movable pieces at the sides of the helm, even when you fully close the helmet it seems to me that there is a small, but considerable gap in the mail right in front of your throat. Wouldn't it be easy to design the mail in a way that there is a higher amount of overlap of the mail coming from each side?
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 8 жыл бұрын
+Thomas Heydenreich Yeah, it's a weakness in the design. I've seen modern reconstructions try to get around this by backing the mail with a full lined and padded textile that provides more structure and closes the gaps more completely when it's on. I think the aventail on the particular one I show in this video is a little too short as well to really be effective. Here's a speculative attempt to correct what you're talking about (www.gambeson.pl/medieval-on-line-shop/14th-16th-century/armet.html) I would take it one step further though and add some small hooks to close that gap completely. Small hooks were used commonly on things like collars of mail, and I think they would go a long way here to protect the wearer and ensure overlap.
@thomasheydenreich6555
@thomasheydenreich6555 8 жыл бұрын
+Knyght Errant I totally agree with you, that there are for sure some fixes to this problem which wouldn't need a lot of tweaking. However, it is very interesting that in those times they probably did not see this to be an important enough problem to fix, which they otherwise would probably have done (as seen in general in the evolution of armor). Thanks for your answer!
@thalamay
@thalamay 7 жыл бұрын
Love your stuff. Would like to see something on the Schaller/sallet. From pure aesthetics, this is the coolest helmet out there...well, I guess the frog-helmet used for jousting is also pretty neat looking, but not quite there and functionally very limited.
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 7 жыл бұрын
You have good timing. Here's the photo album I just released of the sallet that's currently sitting on the table getting ready to have its video filmed :) facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1123060637769319.1073741836.884329431642442&type=1&l=585e675597
@thalamay
@thalamay 7 жыл бұрын
+Knyght Errant Ha, some might call it fate. However, I just call it...luck ;)
@Moony16_
@Moony16_ 4 жыл бұрын
Can we get a brief overview of liners in armets and close helmets?
@actingamer101
@actingamer101 8 жыл бұрын
I used to own an armet that had a larger beak but very narrow visor
@O.LEO.N
@O.LEO.N 5 ай бұрын
I seriously feel like this type of helmet is the BEST one for everythimg.
@williamreese1386
@williamreese1386 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video, well done. I just had a couple of questions, how thick is the armor on the Armet and how much does it weigh?
@avo1386
@avo1386 8 жыл бұрын
My favorites are the bascinets and the pepperpot helms.
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 8 жыл бұрын
+Necro Argumentum Ad Hominem Bascinets are my favorite as well! I may have a video or two on them ;)
@avo1386
@avo1386 8 жыл бұрын
+Knyght Errant I've watched one... Not the Great Bascinet one yet. Keyword 'yet' hahaha
@samuelbhend2521
@samuelbhend2521 4 жыл бұрын
15:47 that thing even still has the windup key for that tin soldier...
@vedymin1
@vedymin1 7 жыл бұрын
i have a question, is such a close fit really beneficial in a helmet ? From what i learned about helmets, the really good ones were somewhat floating on your head, not directly transfering the blows to it, therefore reducing blunt force and sudden acceleration of the head due to blows.
@nickdenies9651
@nickdenies9651 8 жыл бұрын
nice! as always :p I have a question Involving Armets. In terms of useability in on foot fighting, how would a say "late 15th century" armet (without the extra whrapper plate) hold up against a sallet or kettle hat with a bevor? And would it be a "historically viable" choise for a man at arms mainly fighting on foot. And please add any other thoughts you have about this topic ;) Kind regards
@martshearer498
@martshearer498 8 жыл бұрын
I wonder if any armet aventails or mail borders survive? I would think a small hook, like we see on standards, used to close the front split would be a desirable feature.
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 8 жыл бұрын
+Mart Shearer Agreed. It seems like a spot you wouldn't particularly want gapping open during a fight. I've seen reproductions that use lining and padding of the aventail to provide some structure to mitigate that risk, but a small hook would go a long way in protecting you there.
@blastmaster211
@blastmaster211 8 жыл бұрын
Hope you read this. Isnt the rondell aso for giving you fixation on the saddles of the time, since they where mire like big chairs on horseback.
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 8 жыл бұрын
+blastmaster211 I'm not sure I follow what you're suggesting.
@kirkjones4307
@kirkjones4307 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Ian, are you willing to do a video on the Gjermundbu helmet. I realise you're most experienced and knowledgeable about later period armour but i and i suspect others would love an expert opinion and any info you feel is relevant. Your videos are so valuable, thanks.
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Kirk, thanks. I certainly wouldn't mind doing a video on Gjermundbu. I would definitely need to brush up though, because as you said it's not in the period I'm most comfortable with. No promises, but I will add it to my list of future topics!
@kirkjones4307
@kirkjones4307 6 жыл бұрын
Knyght Errant, fantastic. If you get to it, some of the photo's of the actual helmet seem to have a couple of holes near the bottom rim and one on the bottom of the spectacle piece. I've wondered since seeing it, how likely it is that an aventail was attached here ? I dont know, there doesn't seem to be enough holes, but what else could they be for ?
@kirkjones4307
@kirkjones4307 6 жыл бұрын
Knyght Errant, Apparently Vegard Yield is doing new conservation wok on the gjermundbu helm, there are some good quality pics of disassembled helm. I can't seem to add them in the comment so youll have to find them with just a name.
@chickenfinger7829
@chickenfinger7829 8 жыл бұрын
YES!
@eirha
@eirha 8 жыл бұрын
Very nice video! May I ask what the song in the beginning is called?
@JurassicDavidy
@JurassicDavidy 8 жыл бұрын
Finally!
@Ryalnotch
@Ryalnotch 8 жыл бұрын
Hi, Great content as usual. No other channel deals with armor as well as you do. One question though, were there any weapons made to exploit the breaths? None of the rondel daggers ive seen would make it through far enough to kill the person but a spike of sorts with the diameter slightly less than the average breaths would surely be usefull in a 1v1 situation or is there simply too much variation and bashing them in or finding another spot for the rondel is more practical? It could look something like those kitchen knife sharpeners i guess, the metal rod ones. Anyway keep up the quality content!
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 8 жыл бұрын
+Ryalnotch Thank you! As far as weapons to exploit the breaths, none that I'm aware of. The breaths are so small, the corresponding weapon would have to be very narrow and probably pretty fragile. The odds of getting it into the breath during a fight would be pretty low. You'd have to have subdued your opponent first, in which case you would just lift their visor or go under the aventail with your dagger.
@platypus1060
@platypus1060 5 жыл бұрын
Hi guys I'm ian laspina thanks for tunning in to another video on forgottenweapons.com and today let's look at this armet
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 5 жыл бұрын
Armor Jesus approves.
@charlesw5919
@charlesw5919 8 жыл бұрын
Love the design of this helmet. Not only is it esthetic and functional, it also solved the problem a lot of other visored helmets have: noticeable reduction in protection when the visor is raised. Can you attach a plate gorget to it instead of the mail one?
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 8 жыл бұрын
+Charles W There's no indication I'm aware of that the earlier armets were ever worn with plate throat defense other than what was provided by the helmet itself. Of course later styles would incorporate the removable wrapper to reinforce the throat, but I've not seen them worn with a discreet gorget.
@charlesw5919
@charlesw5919 8 жыл бұрын
Knyght Errant Yeah, I did some research and all variations of this helmet I see come with mail aventail.
@SwitchFeathers
@SwitchFeathers 7 жыл бұрын
Will you be doing a video on the close helm and/or late medieval jousting helmets?
@hugsbunnikins
@hugsbunnikins 7 жыл бұрын
Would you do a review of the visored/bevored sallet? I really love that helmet. :)
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 7 жыл бұрын
I've recently got my hands on a sallet and bevor and will be doing the video in the next month or two.
@hugsbunnikins
@hugsbunnikins 7 жыл бұрын
Oh really? Man that sounds nice. Will wait for it! :)
@hugsbunnikins
@hugsbunnikins Жыл бұрын
​@@KnyghtErrant this is very late but I just noticed you posted not one, but THREE sallet videos. Thank you so much!!
@usernaem4818
@usernaem4818 8 жыл бұрын
good video
@pixelsheep8939
@pixelsheep8939 6 жыл бұрын
Armets will always be my favourite helmet
@guardian9394
@guardian9394 8 жыл бұрын
The armet is my favorite type of helmet. It's basically the pinnacle of helmets isn't it? I also find it very aesthetic, and they look very intimidating if designed right.
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 8 жыл бұрын
+Guardian Some might consider the 'close helm' a little more advanced, but I definitely prefer the aesthetic of the armet. They are very close to bascinets in my overall 'favorite helmets.'
@edwarddoernberg3428
@edwarddoernberg3428 7 жыл бұрын
how much would the breaths in the visor weaken it, obviously there would be some weakening but that portion of the visor is supported by the picket fence wich alone does provide some protection. I would have expected these 2 weakened sections of armor together to still provide comparable protection to the single solid plate of the top of the visor or the left cheek. assuming the breaths and gaps in the picket fence line up (not clear on video if this is the case) then it can mitigate the very narrow vertical field of vision through the eye slits. also relevant would be whether such breaths are seen in historical sources, wich I don't know how/where to check.
@manfredconnor3194
@manfredconnor3194 11 ай бұрын
Very cool. I hope you are still around?
@mistanix
@mistanix 8 жыл бұрын
wasn't there a knight who legend tells, wore armour so much that he used to go dancing in it, like it was light as a feather probably just a legend
@nicholasdeabreu5066
@nicholasdeabreu5066 7 жыл бұрын
a bit late and its a tale of a French knight and they did some testing and a lot of things they say he did are quite plausaible to a person whos body adapts to the weight like a second skin they had a person wear plate armor none stop and rock climb and exercise and everything in it. they could climb and even do cartwheels with some difficulty articulated plate gives much more freedom of movement then people give it credit for.
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 7 жыл бұрын
I believe you're thinking of Jean le Maingre, better known as Marshal Boucicaut.
@malnutritionboy
@malnutritionboy 8 жыл бұрын
I really like that helmet
@garyhall2565
@garyhall2565 7 жыл бұрын
That's a huge helmet!!!
@hulkhogan503
@hulkhogan503 7 жыл бұрын
if you were to do full contact knight fighting what helmet would you wear??
@christkandosii3337
@christkandosii3337 5 жыл бұрын
This is a very useful video, and I have a question. I have an armet which is one size fits all, very basic I'm sure compared to all of yours. But it does the job. Anyways it has a rather long neck section, which is cylindrical and encircles my neck like a tight tall gorget would. This is desirable to me, but as you mentioned it does rest on my shoulders and collar bones. It also greatly restricts my up and down forward and back head motion, and it bites the bottom of the throat and bottom of the back of the neck. I want to know how low a cylindrical neck section should go on this type of armet? where, how far down, on my anatomy should it stop? and are there any examples of gorgets whose cylindrical neck segments overlap those of the matching armet? How do you make these cylindrical sections fit comfortably to the body and then closely fit to each other in a sleek and flexible way? I am considering cutting a u-shaped section out of the neck area, at the front and back, to allow head movement and comfort, not have it touch my shoulders, yet keep the low side of the neck safety. But then it might bight the sides of my neck. Everything else on the helmet is fine in terms of fit. The vision is very good, the breathing is fine, and it all lines up to my eyes just right with an arming cap. Just a little tight on the sides. Any input you may have would be very welcome.
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 5 жыл бұрын
Do you have a link to a photograph of this particular helmet? Normally, late period armets (16th century and later) that have any significant neck on them usually flare out rather than projecting straight downward in a tight cylinder. These would usually incorporate articulated lames to allow flex, essentially an integrated and articulated gorget. If the neck is entirely rigid, it is usually very short. There are examples of a armets designed to lock over and interface with a flange on a separate gorget that allows swivel of the head without needing the gorget to rotate at all.
@ariochiv
@ariochiv 8 жыл бұрын
Very interesting information. I actually had no idea that armets had hinged cheek pieces.
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 8 жыл бұрын
+Arioch IV The hinged cheek plate is a key feature to the armet. It's the main distinguishing feature between an armet and a close helm, and I think it looks really cool :)
@ariochiv
@ariochiv 8 жыл бұрын
Knyght Errant It's a case where I thought I knew more than I did -- much of what I thought I knew came from my younger days. Your whole series is very well presented, informative and fascinating! I learned a lot.
@ghostbirdofprey
@ghostbirdofprey 7 жыл бұрын
Do you not have a video covering close helmets? I kinda half expected you to cover them here since I didn't see a separate video.
@thatchannel195
@thatchannel195 6 жыл бұрын
ghostbirdofprey he doesn't but there basically the same except how they open
@michaelcurl9200
@michaelcurl9200 8 жыл бұрын
What you should do, is create one video, where you show the weights of each helmet you have done so far, and compare the line of sight on each, perhaps even a side by side of the various helmets and measure it to get degrees field of vision horizontally and vertically. This would be a great online resource as it would allow anyone at home to get concrete numbers, and help them to understand how each helmet compares to each other and what compromises were made. With these numbers they could even recreate it themselves and get first hand experience.
@michaelcurl9200
@michaelcurl9200 8 жыл бұрын
+Michael Curl I suck at math, but if you are trying to figure how to calculate that, I think you could by measuring the distance between your arms, measure the length of your arms, and then you can cut the resulting circumference into degrees.
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 8 жыл бұрын
+Michael Curl I can do something like this with the helmets that I own (the Great Bascinet and Armet were borrowed). I have no problem demonstrating and showing this information for the pieces I have, but I would be hesitant to say that you're getting any concrete numbers for anything other than the specific reproductions I own. They are within historical weight ranges and designs, but you can't draw too broad of a conclusion based on my specific copies of historical helmets. It would certainly serve to give people a decent ball-park idea though.
@michaelcurl9200
@michaelcurl9200 8 жыл бұрын
Well, if you also mention which historical piece it is based on, and also measure the width of the visor as well as distance from the eyes, and we can get more standard numbers. This is actually part of a larger research idea I have to measure vision restriction.
@Asodius
@Asodius Жыл бұрын
I just bought myself one of these helmets, would the kit that goes with it look more like 1390 (with fabric garment over the torso and/or sleeves) or with the later style of exposed armor?
@CarnelianUK
@CarnelianUK 8 жыл бұрын
Armets are nice, I still prefer sallets or burgonets though. Any chance we'll see a video on either of those?
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 8 жыл бұрын
+Ben Kirkby Buy me a sallet and I'll do a video on it! :) I'm just kidding of course. I intend to make videos on anything I can get my hands on in the future. I find the show-and-tell portion of my videos is one of the strengths of my presentation so I'm trying to only cover pieces of armor I can show you firsthand right now. Sallets are on the list as soon as I can find a high-quality example to demo.
@breaden4381
@breaden4381 8 жыл бұрын
+Knyght Errant Worst case scenario, make one out of duct tape.
@masonrudesheim9098
@masonrudesheim9098 8 жыл бұрын
+Knyght Errant Sallet! Sallet! Sallet!
@pmurphy5948
@pmurphy5948 8 жыл бұрын
+Ben Kirkby I vote for sallet next. It was so common
@CarnelianUK
@CarnelianUK 8 жыл бұрын
Knyght Errant if I could afford a good quality sallet or two I would!
@naumsei6221
@naumsei6221 5 жыл бұрын
I like the Burgonet.
@ItsJustMilkISwear
@ItsJustMilkISwear 8 жыл бұрын
with the later ones where there was no aventail, how did they protect their neck when they weren't wearing the wrapper? would they wear a mail standard/pisan, or did the helmet itself cover the neck well enough on its own?
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 8 жыл бұрын
+It's Just Milk I Swear They almost certainly would have been wearing a standard underneath their armet.
@HaNsWiDjAjA
@HaNsWiDjAjA 7 жыл бұрын
+Knyght Errant I guess that with this particular armet the gap between the breastplate and the helmet was really2 narrow.
@JohnRaptor
@JohnRaptor 8 жыл бұрын
Something I've always wondered about helmets with hinged visors: How do you make sure the visor stays up when you want and doesn't fall back closed? Is it just that the hinges are tight enough for friction to keep it in place?
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 8 жыл бұрын
+John Erickson A lot of historical visor pivots are not perfectly in line with each other. They're offset just slightly. Whether this was intentional or not is a matter of debate, but the result is that when the visor is raised, it puts enough strain on the visor arms to hold it up. Most modern reproductions just use tight pivots.
@CamManTheWise
@CamManTheWise 3 жыл бұрын
You didn't say whether or not the extra holes in the bottom of the visor aided in expanding your field of vision. If the holes in the visor lined up with the gaps in the picket fence then they might be more for vision than for ventilation. True, they make the visor weaker, but the tradeoff may be worth it, at least in the opinion of the man who is wearing it.
@EliotChildress
@EliotChildress 8 жыл бұрын
What is the story behind the background image at 5:10? It looks like one of the fighters is wearing a crown.
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 8 жыл бұрын
+Eliot Childress So what you're seeing there is bleed through of ink from the opposite side of the folio. The images are from MS Ludwig XV 13, or Fiore dei Liberi's "Fior di Battaglia," an early 15th century fighting treatise now housed at the JP Getty Museum. Here's the plate where the bleed-through image actually is (wiktenauer.com/wiki/Page:MS_Ludwig_XV_13_33r.jpg), but the rest of Fior di Battaglia includes lots of images of the fencers wearing gilt crowns ( wiktenauer.com/wiki/Fior_di_Battaglia_(MS_Ludwig_XV_13) ). They represent the 'masters' of the art, teaching the techniques to the students.
@Agamemnon2
@Agamemnon2 6 жыл бұрын
I'm left wondering a bit about the relatively exposed locking mechanism in the example you demonstrate. I wonder how much force it would take for a hit to the lower part of the face to disengage the lock and compromise the face area.
@KnyghtErrant
@KnyghtErrant 6 жыл бұрын
The owner of that helmet has never had that happen to him personally (he fights regularly in this helmet), but that style of locking mechanism was very short lived compared to what we see on later armets. The visor will also prevent the cheek pieces from opening in the event they come unlatched though. If you're wearing a wrapper plate over your armet though, it's a non-issue.
@thatchannel195
@thatchannel195 6 жыл бұрын
Agamemnon2 nice Pic
Aventails, should they be lined?
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