What do YOU think the correct order for MCI, Charlie, CC, and Elizabeth are? Join our growing community on discord! discord.gg/azPjrGGdBY Timestamps: 00:00 Preheating 00:28 A Brief Recap on what we know about the beginning of the timeline 07:08 What are the necessary prerequisites for the timeline events? 09:15 What does Help Wanted 2 tell us about the Missing Child Incident? 13:01 Why can't the MCI happen first? 16:11 What does the FNAF timeline look like if the MCI happens first? 21:07 How could the MCI lead to Charlotte Emily? 23:13 What does Fall Fest have to do with the FNAF timeline? 23:59 The new FNAF timeline after Help Wanted 2 26:47 Letting it cool

This could also explain dreadbear being a mockery of fredbear. Henry was pulling his "friends" leg with that design but William didn't take it well

How on Earth does BarBADroid's art keep getting better and better

You know I just found interesting? Both Crying Child and Charlotte died due to a group of bullies. Neither group may have dealt the killing blows but their cruelty had a hand in their deaths. It's an interesting parallel (is that the right word??).

I think that "a wound first inflicted upon me" was 100% leading towards Charlie's death, especially because of how important she was to Henry's arc and FFPS. Fall Fest's connection in this timeline is interesting but not very substantial, as William committing arson and killing 5 children over his characters seems kinda wild. It was still an interesting theory, and I think that the gravestones were there intentionally but just don't make much sense in the grand scheme of things.

Maybe the code 1983 to get the puppet poppet (hehe) is meant to connect two events. It could be trying to tell us that Charlie's death was directly connected to Crying Child's death as an act of revenge by William, much like how MatPat suggested in his big timeline theory. It's either that, or saying she also died in 1983 the same year as the crying child, which opens tha can of worms again.

With Fall Fest being brought up more and more (AND in two different years) it makes sense to me that it would represent an important even in the timeline. “Hint for carnival” seems like it’s about that. I agree that it’s early enough to either be a “kickstarter incident”, when Afton gets motive, or backstory of how the business first started. That’s not even mentioning Sun/Moon’s possible role!

I see nothing wrong with this theory the end is very satisfying I wish however fnaf didn’t put as many wrinkles into things we thought for the longest time to be 100% correct

(Edit: finished the video now and this still works. Thanks for the comment ❤️) I think that when Henry says about the wound first inflicted on him, he is talking about knowing his child is dead. The other victims are the MISSING Childrens Incident, so their parents still had that hope that theyd see their kids again, but Henry never had that hope. He just had grief, a wound first inflicted on him.

I think MCI being before Charlie it's a possibility, but crying child not being the first and all of this happening in 1983 is WILD

Great theory. I like the timeline. William is shown to be a narcissist at least, a psychopath at worst, in his book portrayals. It doesn't take losing a child to set a psychopath off and setting fires is part of their escalation quite often. So, jealousy is an excellent motive for the fire. It doesn't take losing a child to trigger a psychopath to kill just pressure/stress of some kind. Honestly, I think the insistence that William was normal before CC is just romanticised by the fandom who want to try and understand a narcissist/psychopath through the lens of normal eyes. They want attention and thrills. I've often thought maybe his wife divorcing/leaving him was the trigger that sent him over the edge since narcissists are all about public image. Imagine him then being overshadowed by Henry once they merge after that would be a little too much for him to handle. I like the idea that his first act would've been arson.

14:16 I would like to say that during Henry’s speech in fnaf6 he says this about his daughter “No one was there to lift you up in their arms. The way you lifted others into yours.” Which is interesting because Henry doesn’t know about the happiest day, meaning he can only be talking about give gifts, give life. So this is very well evidence that Charlie died before the MCI

I personally think it’s a lot more satisfying for Charlie to be the first victim of William after the death of CC. It lines up with Henry’s speech (which is far too important to ignore imo) plus it allows her to “give gift, give live” to the MCI victims. As for why she’s the last grave we light I think it’s symbolic. Charlie has always been depicted as being separate from the MCI victims since FNaF 2. William kills her while she’s outside an establishment not wearing his iconic yellow rabbit suit. We also see her buried at the top of the hill in Pizza Sims gravestone ending, overlooking the MCI victims. She’s the first to die and the last one to rest, not till William is gone permanently. It’s why we see the Nightmarionne plushies scattered everywhere.

To be honest, I follow so many FNAF creators these days that even if you were milking this game I wouldn't even notice. I can't remember the upload schedules of everyone, so your videos get lost in the sea of FNAF content and every new upload always comes as a surprise haha! Keep up the good work!

Awesome video and theory, always appreciate Rye's ideas. Also just wanted to say how much I appreciated their discussion of the poppet dolls - it seems very well researched and I think explains them very well. I say this because seeing the dolls in HW2 being described as 'voodoo dolls' by MatPat seemed misrepresentative of the dolls in general. So yeah very much appreciate Rye's research and discussion of them which manages to avoid any stereotypes/misconceived ideas.

I really appreciate the considerate way you talk about contested or controversial theories. It is always easy to completely bash alternate theories, but you manage to both support your own conclusions while acknowledging other options. Theorists like you keep this community fun and collaborative! PS I like this take on the timeline and using new games to constantly examine long held beliefs :)

At this point I think Scott should straight up confirm everything about the lore before Help Wanted 1 (because that’s where the new Fnaf story is starting at has barely even started yet) there are so many good timelines that contradict each other and have equally valid points.

I’ve been thinking about the timeline a lot lately and I’m in agreement with your sequence of events (although I’m pretty certain Circus Baby’s Pizza World comes between the closing of Freddy’s and the opening of the FNaF 2 location). I don’t think the Puppet has to come first, I think she’s just responsible for the possession of the animatronics. I’ve been digging into the Candy Cadet stories, and I think that two of them reference events of the Give Life minigame. The first Candy Cadet story tells about a young woman who can save one child, but ends up condemning five to their deaths. There aren’t any characters in the franchise who are ever given an opportunity to save any of the children (Henry doesn’t appear to be truly aware of the nature of events until after Sister Location, Michael and Charlotte were children and also don’t have any evidence pointing to their ability to save anyone from their actual deaths), so I believe that this is a reference to Charlotte’s potential ability to help a child pass on to the afterlife. The trouble being: Charlotte is still a child and can’t think of a way to help a child pass on without passing on herself, only ever being able to save one. I think she uses the memories of the children together, instead of individually-which would help them move on-to give “life” to the children through the animatronics, but it doesn’t work like that, and the only thing she has unlocked are five deaths, forged together for eternity. I also think the last Candy Cadet story talks about Give Life, but then goes on to talk about Follow Me. The Puppet fits the bill for someone who gives toys (gifts, prizes) to children, loves bringing joy, and who shepherds orphans that don’t have anyone else. The characterization in the story implies that after their deaths, the children are actually happy together, until that happiness is shattered by tragedy. A villain enters the scene and kills them all-like in Follow Me. Henry talks about why this is so obscene in the Insanity Ending: William is luring the children AGAIN, overpowered them AGAIN, and depriving them of the only body they have AGAIN. But the Candy Cadet story doesn’t end there. I think the story implies that Charlotte is the one responsible for either Ennard or the Tangle, possibly both. The protagonist of the story stitches the remnants of the children together (five things becoming one, plus the Puppet) before there’s a knock at the door (implying the stitched entity is still alive?) I think that not only does it make sense for Charlotte to be coming into the story later, I think it’s a better story if Charlotte enters an already tragic scene, tries to make things better only for William to strike back with more tragedy. Then the Puppet does what she knows how to do- give life to what she can. As a side note: I’m pretty sure that the remaining Candy Cadet story is about Elizabeth and Baby: a red pet project, practically just a hungry animal, set loose to choose a child at random, but picks a child that the owner regrets (Elizabeth). After some time, the regret is enough for the owner to kill and scrap the pet project for the sake of the child, putting her back together (which is how Michael describes his task in Sister Location)

Considering how little we actually know about Henry in game canon, "a wound first inflicted upon me" doesn't necessarily mean his daughter's death. If anything, the fact that he built the security puppet naturally suggest that something has happened for him to be concerned about his daughter's safety, so her death couldn't be first and the line is referring to something else, possibly at this fall festival that seemingly burns down.

I rock with this. Like I said before, you and NotReal have a knack for coming up with alternate realities within what we know and as always, what we know can always change on the fly. That's the best and worst thing about FNAF. To me, the order of events doesn't really matter. As long as my Baby Girl Charlie still gets to help the MCI kids and Evan(and the possible DCI kids from FNAF 2) get their Happiest Day and their Rest, as long as William Afton himself stays in UCN, it's all good. There's more than one way to get the right answers.

I think your explanation makes the most sense, but I do want to throw something out just to see what people think. In the books, Charlotte has a twin who she thinks got taken. Sammy. But as Afton says, he never did. It was her. While it's probable Sammy just never existed (or at least never effected anything) in the games, it's also possible that he died/was killed before anyone. Maybe at the Fall Fest, even. So he would be the first wound inflicted, then the MCI, then Charlotte, then CC, then Elizabeth.

Great theory! It also makes sense regarding the order of the games (FNAF1 - MCI, FNAF2 - Charlotte, FNAF 4 - CC, SL - Elizabeth), and link FNAF4 to SL. Like, William says "I'll put you back together" to CC, so he creates the SL animatronics and learns about remnant, thus the child kindapping and the child faces in the SL bunker. At first putting CC after the first 6 was weird to me, but you have really compelling arguments to back it up to be fair... It might be the new agreed timeline

To me it’ll just always make the most sense if Charlie dies before the MCI because of Henry’s speech and because if Charlie possessed the Puppet before the MCI, it gives William a motive for the MCI, to study the weird possession stuff

based on cut lines (of which subtitles are still in the game) the character who helps the player is Vanny

I’m okay with MCI coming before Charlotte’s death, but it still feels weird to place CC after *both* of those. CC could technically be placed anywhere in the early timeline but works best as the first event because, like you said, it’s a tragedy. Since CC isn’t represented by any of the graves, I feel like we can still place his death first in the timeline, especially since we now know Charlotte was most likely killed at a Freddy’s. EDIT: Just thought of this, but it feels weird for the Freddy’s locations to have Golden Freddy unless Fredbear’s has already closed by the time of the MCI.

Something to keep in mind Henry in that speech referencing Charlotte being the first wound is speaking about is how they kids were killed and fused to the animatronics. Charlotte was the first of Williams victims to possess and trapped inside an animatronic. Also something we don't talk about a lot. Elizabeth is completely absent in the CC minigames in FNAF4, there definitely implication that Elizabeth is already dead. I genuinely believe that William discover Remnant through his daughter possessing baby. The timeline that makes the most sense: -William kills the MCI kids, stuffs their body in animatronics -William kills Charlie in revenge against Henry -Charlie possess the puppet and shepherds the souls of MCI kids to their bodies allowing them to possess the animatronics -William builds the fun time minigames to trap and kill more kids which leads to Elizabeth's death -William realizes that his daughter is possessing Baby and begins experimenting on Remnant -Crying Child is accidently killed by Michael Afton -William promises to bring CC back using his experiments with Remnant -William realizes the FNAF animatronics are possessed and attempts to trap and dismantle them to continue his experiments on remnant -The MCI Kids corner William and William gets springlocked

Am I the only one that still thought that the 4 missing children was always the first death despite anything new within the last few years. Like I just don't see any narrative reason for why Henry's kid would be the first to die by William's hand.

LETS GO RYYYYYE!!!! Thank you so much for all of the amazing content this year, sib!! 🖤🖤🖤

I think that Charlotte was killed the same night as the MCI. Her body was the 1st found so Henry believed he was the 1st. Also Henry does have a flare for the dramatic. Also I think William mistook Cassidy for Charlotte that’s why she was the one you should not have killed. It’s possible the other kids weren’t random and were all children of investors ala Bons Burgers but Cassidy was an innocent kid with no relation to the franchise. That’s why Charlotte death was so rushed and out in the open. William in his rage/murder filled state didn’t realise it until he was about to leave and noticed Charlotte on her own in the dark rainy evening panicked and took her as far as his car killed her and left her there since he had no suits left to stuff

What is interesting is that the Puppet doll is the one you get from punching 1983 which very well continues to confirms that Charlie did die in 1983.

I recently realized that FNAF's lore problems are because it has just too much evidence that allows for multiple possible timeline of events and no consensus can ever be reached on the actual storyline. The MCI dying first means William was a greedy lunatic, Charlie dying first means he was jealous of Henry, and C.C dying first means everything else he does is motivated by grief and vengeance. And these are all valid ways of looking at his character, but I don't see why Help Wanted 2 needed to add even more evidence instead of just confirming what we thought was the main sequence of events (C.C, Charlie, MCI, Elizabeth). The UCN voicelines hinted at many different fan theories and headcanons, so why doesn't this game do the same thing? It's probably because it just doesn't matter which incident takes place first, the simplest timeline is that some kids die, William goes crazier, Michael gets scooped, and supposedly everyone is burned in FNAF 6. But boy does this make everyone's characterization inconsistent, to the point that fans have to insert their headcanons about what each character is like in terms of personality and motivation, and everytime the games or books imply anything else, fans get mad. TL;DR: nobody who worked on Help Wanted 2 has heard of Occam's Razor

As someone who is Wiccan, thank you for research on the poppet dolls and the simple fact that they are supposed to be for positive rituals, not negative. I've seen some other fnaf youtubers and fans call them "voodoo dolls" or try to make the dolls themselves out to be a bad thing all together. It's such a small gesture to have your religion respected, but you did your research and pointed out the stereotypes in media and that made me smile. : )

I don’t mind this timeline. I’m still curious after the MCI who the person arrested still is and if it’s significant

let's see the final FNAF theory of the year

Rye should definitely make a theory on glamrock freddy and bonnie's relationship. That would be a fun one for Rye.

Crying child dying was an accident. As a form of revenge, William makes the fun times so that he can kill charlotte emily while having it also look like an accident. However it backfired when Elizabeth is killed instead. Seeing this, Henry creates the puppet Out of revenge and desperation William just straight up murders charlotte outside the restaurant. MCI then happens afterwards as William starts seeing the effects the previous deaths have had on the animatronics. I’d also say Cassidy’s death could fit either before or after charlotte without much changing. This works the best to me because it works with Henry’s speech about it about a wound first inflicted on him. CC and Elizabeth’s deaths were accidents, but then charlotte is the first intentional murder.

I really like this theory, but something that puts a wrinkle in it for me is that in the FNAF 3 tapes it is said that the spring suits are discontinued when customers are being taken in the safe room

I have a bit of a theory on C.C. (Crying Child) that I've had in the back of my mind for awhile and would like some thoughts on. The horrific thing C.C. saw was a springlock failure. I always found it odd that C.C. didn't really seem to be scared of the animatronics in general, rather just the yellow springlock suits, and out of the nightmare variations of the originals, only Nightmare Fredbear had a stomach mouth, rather than all of them. I believe that C.C. saw someone putting on the Freabear springlock suit, but for one reason or another, ends up getting springlocked and dying, with C.C. misinterpreting it as Fredbear eating someone whole though his stomach. He tries to tell someone about what he saw, but no one believes him, with everyone (particularly Michael) saying he's just being irrational. William, knowing what C.C. actually saw, uses this to his advantage and creates the nightmares, manipulating his son into being more fearful of the animatronics to get him to stay away from them (which we all know how that turns out). Side note, I've always found it odd that there were nightmare versions of Freddy, Bonnie, Chica, Foxy, and even Freadbear, yet not one of Spring-Bonnie (the closest we get to that being Plushtrap). I've always wondered if that was always an intentional detail, seeming how it kind of lines up with the next bit. Assuming C.C. died before Charlie, it would make more sense as to why William even kills Charlie in the first place. It's implied (in the books I believe) that William had always been jealous of Henry, one second comparing him to the devil, and praising him like a god the next. Now angry and bitter that his youngest son died to Fredbear (Henry's creation/suit), he blamed Henry for his son's early death and would make Henry suffer the pain of losing someone they cared about.

I think the PQ4 graves are backwards, in terms of the placement of the incidents. The player is going through both their own and Glitchtrap’s memories to reach the Bite of 83, with the Bonnie mask. Commonly in media, and just plain logic, if you’re going through memories, the most recent events would come first. The MCI is in the correct order, since both the player and Glitchtrap wouldn’t remember it as the death of each individual kid, but the incident as a whole; neither were actually there, given mimicry and all that. Then there’s Charlie, then the Bite. But again, if it’s all backwards, then the order would actually be the Bite, then Charlie, then the MCI, which not only works better with everything else in the franchise, but also works better as a narrative. As for Fall Fest: I think it’s just showing us the start of the timeline. Henry and Afton run the Fall Fest in the 70s, it’s successful, and everything kicks off from there. I also kind of think Charlie may have died at Fall Fest 83; Henry would be busy running the festival, leaving Charlie alone at Freddy’s/Fredbear’s/WhereverTheHell. William would be able to know this, and then know he’s open to kill Charlie.

I think Charlie being the last to die makes sense - I think the order of events is that the Crying Child, terrified after seeing someone getting springlocked by the animatronics, or simply by seeing the animatronics without their fuzzy exteriors, was bullied and eventually accidentally killed by his brother. Afton, driven to insanity after losing his son, decided he would try to rebuild him, since he was proficient in repairing machinery. But to do this, using his own warped line of logic, he'd need children to experiment on. So Freddy's temporarily closed since a child died there, and that's when Afton used modified Henry tech to build the funtime animatronics and open Circus Baby's Pizza World, with the express purpose of capturing kids to experiment on. This, I believe, was the wound Henry was referring to, the one that went unresolved and resulted in far more tragedies down the line. Unfortunately, this also led to Elizabeth's death, and Circus Baby's was shut down and Afton was ousted one of the co-owners of Fredbear's/Freddy's for using such dangerous technology in the first place. Then, MCI happens, with Afton using the Springbonnie suit since he can't use the Funtime animatronics in a practical way besides trying to rent them to children's parties, and he gains access to the reopened Freddy locations as a security guard after using false aliases. Eventually, both fearing for his own child and business, Henry builds Security Puppet, and as one last cruel act of revenge against Henry, Afton kills Charlie when the other kids lock her outside. The puppet then uses her ability to place the lost souls into the suits, and eventually, he attempts to dismantle the suits to collect the bodies to experiment on remnant, until he's killed by the springlocks. I'm sure some smaller details need to be ironed out, but I'd say this makes sense of the timeline of the first 6 games pretty concisely.

The area with the Bonnie Bro mask has 6 lights, so maybe this order works. Interesting idea to ponder.

Man, I love how you make the theories and the timeline,happy new year🎉🎉.

The fact you’re just talking about the fnaf timeline while petting cats is just amazing

You have GREAT arguments here, but here's something I think we're all missing: Crying Child HAS to die before Charlotte, because of "Midnight Motorist." We know "Midnight Motorist" is titled "LATER THAT NIGHT," and considering the rain and the purple car, it's like a 95% chance that it's referring to the night Charlotte Emily died. And part of the evidence for William being the driver, aside from the purple car, is that the path from JR's to the driver's house is the exact same as the path as Fredbear's to Crying Child's. We're all pretty much in agreement that JR's was built over Fredbear's, meaning Fredbear's has to be CLOSED the NIGHT that Charlotte Emily died. Crying Child dies in Fredbear's, so logically it has to be open during that. Crying Child has to die before the restaurant closes, meaning he has to die BEFORE Charlotte Emily. Also one other thing but with the newspapers referencing two missing kids: I think you missed that the LAST two were the ones to get lured, not the first. It's after two are lured that a suspect is caught on camera and arrested; the next newspaper then says that five children are now LINKED, not that they're "now missing." It's most likely that the last two died at once, and then the police linked all the incidents together.

I've been saying for a while that I thought the MCI were before Charlie, but that she was the first "true" posession and that "giving life" just meant allowing them to be in control of the animatronics, instead of just being confused spirits

Another point to support the timeline, the missing kids incident and Emily are both in black and white while the crying child and Elizabeth are in color, perhaps the timeline is following the development of technology, the first two were killed in the very early stages of video games, then once color was added the mini games got color as well. This might also explain why some video games have those lines through them, some of the cutscenes are being watched on old tvs, then as time goes on their emulated on higher quality screens when we see them (compare the first puppet mini game that you can barely make out, that we watch relatively early in the timeline at fnaf2, then the clear video game at fnaf6)

On one side the crying child’s death could have been what prompted security puppet. It was bullying that caused cc’ death, and the security puppet game slightly shows that Charlie might have been bullied (getting locked out and none of the kids caring). So maybe the puppet was made for that reason and not the missing child incident. Love the theories tho, great work!!!!

I always thought it this way. C.C dies crushed by Fredbear. William blames Henry for the Springlock failures, killing Charlie out of spite. The security Puppet gets to her and the storm merges Charlie and The Puppet. William discovered how that robot was able to work even broken and realised he could find a way to get his son "back together" in a robot form. In order to to this, he starts experimenting by stuffing corpses inside of animatronics. His other goal was to ruin Fazbear's reputation because Henry left him to work with their competition. He left the Springbonnie suit in the safe room from the 85 pizzeria. The bodies were discarded but their souls merged with the metal, specially the endos. Now the animatronics hunted down any adult they come close with. Also he reprogrammed the Toy models to do the same (maybe even with some Mimic AI involved) The second Freddy's closes in 1987. In the 90's Michael Afton looking for answers gets a job in a new but abandoned Freddy's location. The robots think he's their killer, except for one soul a soul of redemption who is fighting with another who's vengeful and furious. The establishment closes shortly after, and William decides to put an end to his creations, by destroying the original band, but keeping left Puppet and Golden. He used all the Remnant infused metal to create special animatronics, not made for entertainment but made for experimentation. But this time he made sure to warn her daughter of the dangerous stuff he was doing who was his favourite kid but her mother kept the custody till she died. The Funtimes were born, and before they could start their first show, Elizabeth got closer to Baby, and her protocol activated, to catch her. Unfortunately, Baby's body malfunctioned and killed Elizabeth inside of her. Something she wasn't meant to. William once again frustrated decided to return for the last pieces for his experiment, Charlie. But he was confronted by the souls of the missing children, scared to death he put the old and moisten rabbit suit he used to wear, just right in time to have one of the worst deaths in fiction. The Funtimes are a mixture of an advanced AI made by William to work as killer machines and Remnant that made them "alive". Hand Unit was preprogrammed, nobody actually hired any of the Funtimes to perform, which is why they want to leave the bunker.

What if the gravestones being lit up in HW2 is just meant to represent the order which each child moved on?

The puppet mini game isn't proof that the puppet died first. It's only proof that the puppet was possessed first while the others were just spirits without physical connections if the graves depict the order. That's my thoughts on it.

omg your explanation at the end made so much sense! I really hope your timeline is right because it would really tie all these events together nicely and with reason.

I love how your editing always manages to improve! What we see on the screen is so dynamic and often never static :) !

Really good theory, but idk about that last part... I think Fallfest being the reason for the MCI is right, just not in that way. My idea is that Fallfest was William's thing. After all he is the one who makes the circus based pizzeria, Circus Baby's Pizza World, so it would make sense if he was the founder of Fallfest in 1970, which seems to have a circus/carnival theme too. Then when he met Henry and they started working together, he had the idea of adding animatronics to the Fallfest in 1983. That year tho, because of a malfunction in Henry's animatronics, the whole thing caught on fire, ruining Afton's Fallfest. That would actually be supported by the Fazerblast minigame where we see the fire being caused by a malfunction of Dredbear.

It’s worth pointing out that in fnaf 1 there’s a child’s drawing of Bonnie popping out of what looks like the Puppet’s box. This could imply the Puppet replaced Bonnie in the prize corner and Bonnie was moved to the main stage. Another thing I think is good to point out is that while the Funtimes are advanced,they aren’t murder machines. They’re kidnapping machines. To me,that shows character growth in William. He goes from kidnapping kids to killing them. I also maintain the argument that Spring Bonnie and Fredbear can’t be at Freddy’s until after Crying Child’s death so the MCI as we know it happened literally can’t happen until after Crying Child dies (technically,it’s not confirmed William used the Golden Spring Bonnie suit for the first MCI as fnaf 3 does tell us there are spring lock suits at Freddy’s but we know Fredbear is Golden Freddy and the Vengeful Spirit gets stuffed in Golden Freddy)

The old timeline, where it's CC first, then Charlie, then MCI, then DCI and then Elizabeth could still work. Hell even Elizabeth being before MCI or between MCI and DCI could work. It all comes down to how you read the gravestones. I think I am aligning more with Fuhnaff's reading of that sequence; it's not who died first, but who got put to rest first.

Happy New Year's RyeToast I enjoyed all your Theories

I had a thought that Cassie’s dad is Jeremy from help wanted 1, who sliced his own face off. I have a lot of reasons but it something to maybe think about

amazing job RyeToast & Happy New Year !

Hey Rye, congrates on 20k! I think I have been watching your before like 600 subs? But I'm so happy to see you grow, and keep up the great theorys!

Super awesome video. I really enjoyed seeing your take on the timeline when it comes to the order of the tragedies of the 8 children. And the way you integrated Fallfest is really cool too. Man, I am pumped to see what Fallfest is all about if FNaF decides to fully explore it in the next mainline game.

Maybe "first inflicted upon me" is said because no one knew where the mci kids were. But everyone knew where Charlie was. I don't hate the idea though that Henry was a foster parent. There are several Candy Cadet stories about 5 into 1. Including one about a person adopting 5 kids and losing them all. That said I'm still convinced Elizabeth was first and the kidnapping tech was retrofitted.

I always though Charlotte died first just it kinda makes sense for willian to kill Henry's child to get revenge in some sick way of losing the crying child and could also show how william discover remnemt

Although I love the theories you post, but I have to give props for you always adding Sonic Adventure 2 Battle music in. Especially the homie knuckles themes. GOATED

One thing to add to your evidence of the Bonnie mask referring to the Bite of 83 (and therefore being between Charlie and elizabeth's death) is that the entryway to the Bonnie mask chest has 6 dots surrounding it. Which, the Puppet's grave has 5, placing the Bite of 83 as the next major event after Charlie

I assumed that it was first C.C, Charlotte, Missing children, Elizabeth

One way to make "a wound first inflicted on me" work with MCI being first is just making Susie a relative of Henry It is an overly simplistic theory with no good evidence to back it but it works

I think this is my favorite theory of yours so far, keep up the good work man 🙌

your conclusion feels so satisfying wth! great work :0

Good to see a new video about hw 2

Ok, this will be a big comment and you might not even see it but i think i should do it anyway, but i just wanted to say my point of view and thoughts, and honestly i like your theory, i just don't think we can forget the old bits of lore that i think you forgot about(?), especially the ones regarding Fredbear's Family Diner, since we barely have any information about it. Anyways, i love how the order MCI, Charlotte, Crying Child and Elizabeth just makes sense, but i dont think that's what all the evidences are telling us; the right order might be Charlotte, MCI, C.C. and Elizabeth. Ok, starting at the begining, William as Henry's deal (we have most of this information based on the novels): i agree that William might have already been messing with costumes and animatronics before this whole ordeal with Henry, but i dont think he was working on Fredbear's, i think William had his own little bussines that just messed with this kind of things, and that he worked with other companies (this explains the Fall Fest and Fnaf 1 Phone Guy's speach, which both confirm that the animatronics exist, at least, sinse the 70s). Now, we know William is capable of doing his own animatronics, mainly because of SL, but also because of the trilogy (this little business may or may not be Afton Robotics, i dont think it matters anyway). Getting out of especulation, William and Henry created Fredbear's Family Diner together, there's nothing explicitly proving the opposite (and that's what the trilogy tells); now, it could be Scott being inconsistent with his desings (wouldn't be a first), but there's a chance that there might've been two different Fredbear's Family Diners, one which was where Charlie died and another which the Crying Child died. The first is where Charlie died, and in the novels, it is described as a remote, simple and smal place. In the games, one place that fits this characteristcs is fnaf 6, where it's shown in the start of the game that the Pizza Place is in the middle of nowhere, and is a smal establishment with only two tables and is totally made out of wood. The place in the fnaf 3 minigame is also brown, and even in the minigame "Take Cake to the Children" it is smal, considering that it is, indeed, Fredbears. But the Fredbears that the Crying Child dies is very different from this, its in the middle of the city, the place isn't as little as the Pizzaria Simulator one and definitely is not as simple. But the place is not the only difference, the animatronics desing also are; i know we all have in mind that Springbonnie and Fredbear are all yellow with purple accessories, but the only times we see then like that are on the fnaf 4 minigames, in UCN and in Help Wanted with Glitchtrap. Every other sprite or drawing about then they are that yellow-ish brown with black accessories, like the fnaf 3 minigames, the posters on Security Breach (especially with "Fredbear's singing show" one), and im sure we can include the 'Take Cake' minigame not only bc the books said Charlie died in Fredbears but also because the remake of that minigame in fnaf 6 (the one at the start of the game) also has a yellow-ish brown bear with black accessories. The only different one is the graphic novels, where Springbonnie and Fredbear trully are yellow, but they still have the black hat and bowtie.

What an amazing video. Probably my favorite FNaF theory video ever. I love how you explain everything and give us things to think even if it may be controversial. Thanks for the great content.

I really like the timeline you presented at the end here, like it makes the most actual sense out of everything we've learned so far

Hey I noticed something. So, we play as Bonnie bro from FNAF 4 right. Well, you get an achievement when you get the bonnie doll which says, "remember Jeremy?" Why would it bring up Jeremy out of all people. At first, I thought maybe the crying child but I'm not sure yet. The only issue about this theory is that phrase has also been used for the Help Wanted character Jeremy. I have more proof that Jeremy is the name of the crying child, but I don't know for certain.

Bro just upload 3 vids which concludes all lores of HW2 in 3 weeks 😂

That thumbnail art is so good! Might be my favourite one yet. My compliments to the artist!

A bit off topic sorry, but I love coming to watch you specifically because of how loving your cats are. They must trust and love you a lot and always makes my day. On topic: i love watching how this kind of things shifts and grows, and I'm hoping we'll learn more about the fun fest soon! The mimic has costumes you could reasonably have at a local fair, so maybe we'll get more info when we see Cassy again?

You know what that means! FISH!

spoiler theory Wild theory here, but just a thought. The possible order we are presented with for the kids' deaths if you take the tombstones literally when we unlock the Bonnie mask are: 0 Chica/Susie, 1 Foxy/Fritz, 2 Freddy/Gabriel, 3 Bonnie/Jeremy, 4 Golden Freddy/Cassidy, 5 Puppet/Charlotte. Hear me out. What if the puppet, with what we know now about a mimic ai program, connecting net of thinking and masks and the story as it stands now, gave these kids masks? I always thought it weird that whenever we see the foxy mask kid in the house, his eyes are just black dots. But when we see all the kids in the pizza place carrying crying child, they have white dots for eyes. That's the standard "I'm possessed" eyes, or even with the Fredbear plush it's "Im controlled by something else" eyes. As far back as I know in the first game we have always assumed the puppet was first because of the Give Gifts Give Life mini game.. but what are we really looking at there? Certainly, there are dead children, and the puppet is giving them gifts. We assumed this is the puppet stuffing them into the suits because this game is all about stuffing kids into animatronics. But what the image actually shows us is.. masks. After the masks are given out, we get the Golden Freddy jumpscare which makes sense as that's the final victim on the tombstone list. "The one you should not have killed" Why is this kid any different than any other kid William killed up till this point? Phone Guy Night 6 fnaf 2: "Uh, the place is closed down, at least for a while. Someone used one of the suits. We had a spare in the back, a yellow one, someone used it... Now none of them are acting right. Listen, j-just finish your shift. I-It’s safer than trying to leave in the middle of the night. Uh, we have one more event scheduled for tomorrow, a birthday. " In Ultimate Custom Night, we get this line Marionette: "The others are like animals, but I am very aware" What if the spirits possessing the animatronics are different than who the puppet gives the masks to? After all, it's alluded that William himself stuffed those kids into the suits. But there are also times we see more children in the games just off to the side, foxy finds them. The ones who start not acting right, those seem like what's stuffed in the suits. It was always weird to me that in the games we kept being told the animatronics were roaming, doing things they had in their programming, just not at the right times or correct ways. Not really omg they are possessed. The only clue indicated that they have something other than program quirks to tell us what's going on is the smell and ooze. Maybe they weren't active right away. Just seems like a weird detail that they function mostly normally up to a point so much so that the place doesnt know there are dead things inside. What if the puppet, to get revenge, put masks on separate kids who had died in the pizzeria, and controlled them to murder the crying child after Cassidy is murdered? What if that's the point we get the fnaf 2 puppet stare-down cut scene. Why else would William give the crying child a doll to continuously remind him "remember what you saw", "be careful", and hurry him to an exit. "you know what will happen if he catches you" "he hates you." I think at the time of the game the puppet was still meant to be a male. The only hitch I had to this theory for a while was Henry. "A wound first inflicted on myself" If the puppet dies last how does this make sense? Those are separate theories, including Michael being stolen by William, as well as all of the info we skipped in the game involving the grandfather clocks, the grandfather song, the old man looking sprite in the house infront of the tv, the fact a building is called juniors in a story where the first franchise must have started in the 30's, well before william or henry could have lived. Grandpa Afton/Emily. But again that's separate.

I love your theories, your videos are always relaxing too. It gets so tiring of being screamed at and hyped up the whole video, yours are more casual which I like. But also the VR gameplay in the background gives mw motion sickness 😔

Thank for all the great content this year Rye, Happy New Year to all the slices ❤

If you think about it we actually get two instances of a burning fall festival, one in fazerblast 4 and in the cinder carousel. You could probably also include Grim Foxy, Jack-o-Bonnie, and Jack-o-Chica as they are also on fire. They could have been at the fall fest when the fire happened. (But that’s only speculation on my part anyway.)

I was skeptical at first when you talked about the order of events on that last theory but as you explained it i do see how it works with the Fall Fest being the kickoff of Williams insanity then MCI, Charlie, Crying Child and Elisabeth. Its so convoluted in the story placements you really have to look into all the possibilites for the story to work especially the MCI being Missing and animatronics being soulless and Charlie killed after but before the give the souls/presents to the animatronics and for crying child to be scared for that very reason does make sense. Im just casually trying to understand the order of things watching MatPats videos this in my mind gives a very overarching understanding, thank you for that!

A Happy New Year to you and your family Rye!

RyeToast: Come for the theories, Stay for the cats

I like how this Theory actually simplifies a lot of things. It also makes a lot of sense considering the order the original games came out in: the MCI (FNAF 1), then Charlie (introduced in FNAF 2), then the crying child (FNAF 4), and then Elizabeth (FNAF 5). I'm not necessarily sold on Afton being the one to burn Fall Fest down, but I think the theory still holds water without him being the culprit of that particular incident. MatPat putting the crying child's death first, in order to give Afton motive to kill Charlie, does make for a good story, but I think that train of thought is what has made the timeline so convoluted. This seems simpler and closer to the evidence actually presented in the games.

long time viewer, first time commenter (lol) i think a less narratively satisfying possible answer to the whole "wound inflicted on me first" vs. the missing children incident could be that the missing children are just that---missing. they wouldn't technically be considered dead/murdered, especially at the time that charlie is killed. pretty flimsy, i know, but still. all that aside, great video as always! love your channel, keep up the fantastic work!!

23:58 are we just going to ignore the fact that Lefty is just a reskinned Rockstar Freddy? In fact, Carnie is closer in design to Rockstar Freddy than Lefty. So it would make more sense to try to make a connection between the Rockstar Freddy and Carrie

im glad your making a video no one else seemed to freak about this nice now confirmed info of death dates

12:34 not to mention... Not to mention I love the way you said it

I love the abundance of videos rye makes about everything and anything 😮 Holms is passionate and it SHOWS

Love it. I think you should replay HW and scour it for Fall Fest clues. I feel like we’ve overlooked something.

I think a wound first inflicted on me could mean that Henry built fredbear that killed the crying child

You get a like from me simply for including the background music from Pumpkin Hill in your video. I haven't heard that song in a very long time!!

I think the security puppet was made to keep kids safe from animatronic accidents, not because of the MCI. So the order is something like: 1. 1983- CC gets bit at Fredbear's, dies and the restaurant closes. 2. 1983-1985(?)- Security Puppet is built to keep kids safe from the dangerous animatronics, Charlie is killed outside of Freddy's. 3. 1985(?)- MCI happens, Freddy's closes. 4. 1987- New Freddy's opens, William kills more kids and the restaurant closes after only a few weeks. 5. 1987(?)- Circus Baby's opens, with William intending to perform tests on kids, but Elizabeth dies and the restaurant closes and Circus Baby's rentals opens.

Happy new year RyeToast!

Pumpkin Hill bumpin' in the background is KRAZY, I LIVE!!

0:17 I absolutely LOVE this art of Cassies dad, it's so cool that he's drawn with a compression glove and hearing aids, and the artstyle looks like it would fit right in as a cardboard cutout around the pizzaplex

I really like your theory, makes a lot of sense keep it up toast

Great theories. Things seem to click nicely, even with this mysterious Fall Fest It kinda also seems like the entire series slowly coming to an end, closing and tying the last few unknown elements. Having Cassie's Dad being one of the bullies just help bring closer together both "eras" of FNAF as well.

stuffing chica and foxy first to show that he hated those characters actually felt like a revolation when you said it, I feel like that makes so much sense