Helping LGR to restore a vintage Sanyo ICC-0082 calculator

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CuriousMarc

CuriousMarc

Жыл бұрын

LGR asked for help rescuing a gorgeous Dictaphone 1680 calculator, née Sanyo ICC-0082. We are happy to oblige. And while we are at it, Ken reverse engineers the enigmatic Sanyo chipset that makes it tick.
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@LGR
@LGR Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for offering to help with this! It's just wonderful seeing such a lovely piece of tech functional again. You guys are awesome 👍
@ToTheGAMES
@ToTheGAMES Жыл бұрын
Send them more stuff to fix!
@aserta
@aserta Жыл бұрын
Yey!
@wishusknight3009
@wishusknight3009 Жыл бұрын
Thankyou so much for being a part of preserving such obscure pieces of history. I love it!
@Schroefdoppie
@Schroefdoppie Жыл бұрын
Man..you had the A-team working on it! Sweet👍
@mizterwizerd
@mizterwizerd Жыл бұрын
@@Schroefdoppie ah, now I want to see Marc, Ken and the rest do the a team intro... I think the real question is who gets to play whom!
@Derpy1969
@Derpy1969 Жыл бұрын
Apollo engineers repair calculator during lunch break.
@thelegalsystem
@thelegalsystem Жыл бұрын
I never expected a delay-line memory system to show up in a calculator like this
@0MoTheG
@0MoTheG Жыл бұрын
Correctly, it doesn't have one.
@stephendavies923
@stephendavies923 Жыл бұрын
I know that I understand some electronics, having worked in the field many years ago, but Master Ken is a Sensei! It is always a wonder to watch him work. Thank you for both your content and managing to get such a great team of honest, humble and knowledgeable people together.
@RickBaconsAdventures
@RickBaconsAdventures Жыл бұрын
I'm so happy he sent it to you guys! Marc and the team are the most professional and qualified around. Some folks were advising he send it to an amateur and I was worried. LGR is great
@kaitlyn__L
@kaitlyn__L Жыл бұрын
I’m really glad too! I was one who recommended Marc, and was equally worried at some of the other suggestions for people who work on much newer gear. This is a perfect vintage for Marc!
@bsvenss2
@bsvenss2 Жыл бұрын
In the worst case, he could have sent it to the 8-bit Dremel and paperclip guy. *LOL*
@thesteelrodent1796
@thesteelrodent1796 Жыл бұрын
@@bsvenss2 still have nightmares about that video 😐
@JoeDurnavich
@JoeDurnavich Жыл бұрын
Ken’s got the lab coat too and you know once that lab coat goes on, that piece of vintage electronics is getting reverse engineered. Guaranteed.
@venw6811
@venw6811 Жыл бұрын
Good choice! If these guy can fix a AGC, they can fix this.
@vincentlextrait3092
@vincentlextrait3092 Жыл бұрын
There is an interesting earlier version of the ICC-0082 with true nixie tubes! I have two of these, and they work!
@Zerbey
@Zerbey Жыл бұрын
When two of my favorite channels work together you know it's going to be a good day!
@Brainwizard.2
@Brainwizard.2 Жыл бұрын
I just love Ken. He does a such phenomenal work in restoring every piece. Logic piece of our human minds barehand creation. From his kittle, explaination, blog, career and calmness. I really hope i can be someone like him one day! Thank you for the interview as well, Marc! Edit: + Every assistant and producer here!
@Rutherford_Inchworm_III
@Rutherford_Inchworm_III Жыл бұрын
They call him Master Ken for a good reason - even Marc is in awe of the man's ability to interpret circuitry. He's like the Circuit Whisperer.
@TechGorilla1987
@TechGorilla1987 Жыл бұрын
I'm going to have to say that this is something I couldn't ever have imagined would happen. Supreme!
@c1ph3rpunk
@c1ph3rpunk Жыл бұрын
Yea, this is a crossover I never would have guessed.
@JPBennett
@JPBennett Жыл бұрын
We need to see that calculation in slow motion. Would be interesting to see what those tubes are actually doing during the number crunching.
@thesteelrodent1796
@thesteelrodent1796 Жыл бұрын
would assume they just show whatever is floating through the memory at the time
@benjaminhanke79
@benjaminhanke79 Жыл бұрын
I would like to see a working simulation of this in a logic simulator.
@dr_jaymz
@dr_jaymz Жыл бұрын
This is my similar calc doing it. I don't know what is the slowest calc to do. I assume its large number then division by some nasty number. Thats what I did.
@unebonnevie
@unebonnevie Жыл бұрын
I've enjoyed watching Ken and Marc in action! They are such smart guys!
@w.p.958
@w.p.958 Жыл бұрын
Marc & Team this was fantastic! Also glad to see the Collab with LGR, another great channel! Also want to say it is great that your team is so knowledgeable about older technology - you know the saying, if we forget the past, we are doomed to repeat it. Old ideas still are relevant to new inventions and discoveries.
@SarahKchannel
@SarahKchannel Жыл бұрын
I think Ken is a relative of Spock - "its a pretty strange architecture" - fascinating..
@kei_otake
@kei_otake Жыл бұрын
LGR, CuriousMarc, and now Adam Savage with that Ghosbusters gizmo - it’s like Infinity War but for my nerdy KZfaq channels
@Sir_Uncle_Ned
@Sir_Uncle_Ned Жыл бұрын
As soon as I saw the title, I knew this thing was in safe hands. Glad you guys were able to get it back to full health.
@BOBXFILES2374a
@BOBXFILES2374a Жыл бұрын
Back in 1980, I was working at a company. One of my co-workers told me that her father's boss had bought one of the first hand-held calculators. (I think later than this, with the little red LED numbers). It cost $600.00, and they all went over to the Boss's house to see it! Thanks for helping out LGR!
@neddreadmaynard
@neddreadmaynard Жыл бұрын
Ken brings out his double barrelled brain gun again and blows us all away. The Master.
@pilznille
@pilznille Жыл бұрын
LGR in collaboration with CuriousMarc. Two of my most liked vintage computing channels here on KZfaq. Very nice to see such a beautiful piece of tech here.
@kevinreardon2558
@kevinreardon2558 Жыл бұрын
I inherited my Uncle's Ampex tape player (tube based) but all it did was buzzed. I learned tubes way back in Junior High, but not well enough to understand the diagram. About 30 years later, I took a leap of faith and replaced the power circuitry. I had to replace two of the tubes with Russian tubes, which no doubt made my Uncle roll over in his grave (he used the player to record the concerts he did for the Admiral during diplomatic assignments). Well, with that guesswork, it now works. A lot of "standards" changed, like in the audio plugs, but a few adapters and all is OK. I gain a lot of comfort seeing you applying the same intelligent guesses and reasoning I did. Growing up in the 60's, with a "shop" teacher who hated my mother, I managed to learn enough about electronics to enjoy this channel. It relieves me to know I really do understand the Electronics of the Ancients .
@thebiggerbyte5991
@thebiggerbyte5991 Жыл бұрын
A great crossover! I'm now waiting for a whole season of CuriousMarc fixes LGR Thrifts :)
@paulwomack5866
@paulwomack5866 Жыл бұрын
I love what this group considers a "simple" repair.
@mn5655
@mn5655 Жыл бұрын
Wow !! LGR and CuriousMarc
@benjaminhanke79
@benjaminhanke79 Жыл бұрын
He should have mimicked LGRs "Welcome to an LGR thing!"
@maicod
@maicod Жыл бұрын
14:18 Master Ken's super dry humor . LOVE IT
@jondough76
@jondough76 Жыл бұрын
I love that you can see the numbers 'roll' as it is calculating.
@rsmrsm2000
@rsmrsm2000 8 ай бұрын
Reverse engineering the talents hidden in old technologies, I see, is not an easy task. You are very good! Congratulations.
@grubboy3514
@grubboy3514 Жыл бұрын
"Wow, only you can figure that out" said Marc to Master Ken...🤣
@Rob2
@Rob2 Жыл бұрын
You know what... when I got a case like that, labeled "Dictaphone", I would be very surprised to find calculator in there!
@TimoNoko
@TimoNoko Жыл бұрын
This motivated me to fix CASIO A-SA from 1969. A fuse was blown. It costed 50 cents 2010. Fully functional Nixie-tube Casio seems to be 800€ at Ebay. PMOS-logic is very strange, because operating voltage on those chips seems to be negative 25V.
@624Dudley
@624Dudley Жыл бұрын
Thanks, Marc & Company! Nice to see that lovely seven segment display. That glowing orange presentation is familiar to pilots of a certain age; the famous Bendix King KX-155 nav/comm (among others) used a later gas discharge module for numeric frequency display. The modules are no longer available, and gradually the fine old radios are being phased out as their displays conk out.
@elsaarmstrong-zp6ng
@elsaarmstrong-zp6ng 11 ай бұрын
I used to repair calculators way back in 60’s-70’s and a good test calculation was 22/7 = Pi or 3.142857 ! Of course all the keys/functions were also tested! There were many makes but Sharps had a huge range! The early models had 14 logic boards all with discrete components! Fault finding was single step mode and checking flip-flops which made up registers for + - etc. X was repeat addition, division was repeating subtraction. Fault finding was to component level (chips were in research at that time) and logic boards cost a fortune! Fraser
@rpavlik1
@rpavlik1 Жыл бұрын
so glad this lovely calculator made it to the safety of your lab and was able to be fully revived, even putting back an original component others might consider dubious 😁
@GusFernCa
@GusFernCa Жыл бұрын
The serial logic of this machine reminds me of the design of the original KENBAK-1 microcomputer which used two 1K-bit shift registers to implement 256 8-bit bytes of RAM with a hard-coded state machine to implement not only a fairly clever instruction set but all of the front panel logic for examining, storing memory as well as running and halting the processor. Very clever and very different from typical modern microcontroller design.
@mspysu79
@mspysu79 Жыл бұрын
Great job fixing such a cool calculator. Those chips really do look like Rockwell chips, they are very similar to(but smaller than) the PWM "MOS Voice" Chips in the Allen Digital COmputer organ from 1971.
@MarkyShaw
@MarkyShaw Жыл бұрын
When worlds collide! ❤
@lionlinux
@lionlinux Жыл бұрын
it's about dec words channel :-) (joke)
@SixplusonemediaAu
@SixplusonemediaAu Жыл бұрын
So wonderful to see a collab between you both. Fantastic restoration and great to see it working again.
@danielleite8131
@danielleite8131 Жыл бұрын
that's crazy, when I saw this broken calculator on LGR, I thought "oh CuriousMark could repair this..." and now you are fixing his calculator xD
@nutsnproud6932
@nutsnproud6932 Жыл бұрын
Marc, Thanks for helping Clint.
@ezragonzalez8936
@ezragonzalez8936 Жыл бұрын
That's awesome. I never thought you and Lrg would do a collaboration. You guys should do more! Cheers from Park City Utah!
@dav1dsm1th
@dav1dsm1th Жыл бұрын
Typos are timeless. Great video.
@Chriva
@Chriva Жыл бұрын
Clint _AND_ Marc + gang. I can only handle so many heroes in the same video :)
@MatSpeedle
@MatSpeedle Жыл бұрын
Two of my favourite KZfaqrs collaborating is just awesome! :D
@kaitlyn__L
@kaitlyn__L Жыл бұрын
Ahh I loooove that you can see it calculating on the screen, since it’s serial and puts the digits up with a shift register. Feels soo classic sci-fi. An effect that can waste a bunch of cycles nowadays. Really adds to the vibe from the neon tubes! Neon discharge is one of my favourite hues ever.
@acmefixer1
@acmefixer1 Жыл бұрын
Battery juice ate Marc's HP 9825(?). Now it's done it again! Batteries should be sealed and/or located below the electronics so the juice runs out the bottom and saves the PCB. Thanks, Marc and crew for the great repair video. 👍👍
@SpinStar1956
@SpinStar1956 Жыл бұрын
I think it was very nice that you helped him out and even more that another vintage piece was made whole. I too do these repairs and I find that I get tremendous satisfaction from doing rescues like this one. I'm hoping that people will realize that even f they don't want or fancy something that they will 'pass-it-along' and one of the best places for this is thrift stores where I have found several very nice old things that with just a little know-how gave me a great piece to use and enjoy...
@superspedboy0076
@superspedboy0076 Жыл бұрын
Love it when youtubers help other youtubers! Thanks!
@fullmuppet
@fullmuppet Жыл бұрын
Best KZfaq retro tech crossover ever.
@ag3ntorange164
@ag3ntorange164 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely magnificent repair. Great work bringing her back from the dead! So excited for LGR I am a huge fan. I am lucky to own a fully working Nixie Tube Walther ETR-4 from 1973. It also has a shift key to display the other 8 digits. It also places the decimal points in a similar way.
@CraigPetersen12f36b
@CraigPetersen12f36b Жыл бұрын
I watched LRG's video on this and it brought back memories. I found one of these in a thrift shop back in 1983, I think I paid $2.00 for it, the one I had was the Sanyo branded version. When ever thrifting I'm always on the lookout for old calculators, TI, HP and others.
@MrRemi1802
@MrRemi1802 Жыл бұрын
Whaaaaat! NO division by zero? 😱😱😱 I was expecting this moment for the whole video!
@donmoore7785
@donmoore7785 Жыл бұрын
That serial bit math I would never have guessed. Interesting that in the end, you really didn't need the schematic or the knowledge how the chipset works. Cool!
@russellhltn1396
@russellhltn1396 Жыл бұрын
Certainly seems odd. I think it was done to avoid having to create multiple adder circuits. By using serial bit, they only needed one adder.
@twotone3070
@twotone3070 Жыл бұрын
The rice wine joke made me chuckle.
@disruptive_innovator
@disruptive_innovator Жыл бұрын
I'm fascinated by vintage display tech. This was really neat to see the inner workings and repair process. Thanks!
@superspit
@superspit Жыл бұрын
Oooh! I've repaired two of these very units, now in my display!
@CuriousMarc
@CuriousMarc Жыл бұрын
Yeah! Congrats.
@aitorbleda8267
@aitorbleda8267 Жыл бұрын
This brings back memories. A mix fo combinatorial and sequential.
@douro20
@douro20 Жыл бұрын
Yes Clint does an excellent job with his videos. That comes with doing such work professionally for nearly twenty years.
@GYTCommnts
@GYTCommnts Жыл бұрын
Man, this was like watching a meeting of scientists determined to solve a mystery. Just awesome!
@ifitsrusteditsmine
@ifitsrusteditsmine Жыл бұрын
That last segment cracked me up. Nerd humour is the finest humour.
@cncshrops
@cncshrops Жыл бұрын
And Asianometry just released his history of Facit! So calcutors are the flavour of the month 😊
@ToTheGAMES
@ToTheGAMES Жыл бұрын
I love that channel
@GeorgesChannel
@GeorgesChannel Жыл бұрын
Great episode! Watching keeping this wonderful technology alive is very satisfying! Thank you for your rescue mission!
@thirstyCactus
@thirstyCactus Жыл бұрын
This colab makes me so happy! ♥
@VegasCyclingFreak
@VegasCyclingFreak Жыл бұрын
Well that was a pretty simple problem to diagnose and fix. Leaking batteries eat the copper tracks on PCBs in a lot of old stuff.
@clomb1234
@clomb1234 Жыл бұрын
I saw the original video. It’s so great to see you successfully fix it. Thank you!
@fyler1
@fyler1 Жыл бұрын
oh my goodness... 2 of my favorite channels together... absolutely amazing!!!
@socialite1283
@socialite1283 Жыл бұрын
I am totally in awe of your knowledge of all things electronic.
@ItsClodsire
@ItsClodsire Жыл бұрын
I was just thinking about this calculator... My calculator collection has been growing lately and I've been fantasizing about it, great job making it work again!
@JB2X-Z
@JB2X-Z Жыл бұрын
I knew there was a reason I subscribed to you a while back! This was a great restoration, fantastic job!
@KeritechElectronics
@KeritechElectronics Жыл бұрын
Its loveliness increases, it will never pass into nothingness. Great restoration project. Those ceramic ICs, teeny tiny tubes... absolutely lovely stuff. And it HAD to be ruined by a leaking electrolyte, didn't it? I use IPA for dealing with this sort of damage, but I'd replace all the electrolytics if I were working on it. Might use some clear nail polish for attaching the wire to the PCB, also solder it where the trace remains (especially when you don't have the soldermask here) for better mechanical durability. The Facit looks like a miniaturized version of the Soemtron 220, a marvel of 1960s East German electronic engineering running on full discrete germanium transistor logic, ferrite core memory and 15 nixies. Looks very similar but a few times bigger. That's gonna make a nice restoration project. Inspiration coming from you, of course. Makes me wish I could work with you in your lab. 4:09 now THAT looks pretty... discombobulated.
@fallwitch
@fallwitch Жыл бұрын
What a beautiful calculator. Great job getting it sorted.
@cgarby
@cgarby 3 ай бұрын
Two of my favorite channels
@dwagner6
@dwagner6 Жыл бұрын
Literally my two favorite YT channels hopping in bed together. What a great day!
@aserta
@aserta Жыл бұрын
Man! I'm so happy that the calculator came here.
@38911bytefree
@38911bytefree Жыл бұрын
Ultra neat machine ..... so cool and the explanation from Ken was amazing , electronics trying to mimic the old dinosaurs ....
@martinswan9175
@martinswan9175 Жыл бұрын
It's a trip being able to "see" the calculator actually calculating when you hit enter. So cool.
@GrumpyTim
@GrumpyTim Жыл бұрын
Wayhey, well done Marc, another lovely vintage calculator rescued, and what a little beauty it is too, kind of glad it wasn't a fault involving unobtainium.
@codebeat4192
@codebeat4192 Жыл бұрын
That is a great result with the sherifs of electronics 😀👍 Not a subject of this video but the world is so weird nowadays, alot of people see this as trash because it is not working, bulky and old. I wonder why that is as is, is it because people don't understand the art behind technology? Imagine what people throw away these days, it is enormous without some effort to repair it, every day, every week, every year. Insane. Will there a blank period in time of history because of this behaviour? I am very glad people like you still exist, it is wonderful. Nice piece of well made tech restored to its glory. Nice video!
@Sloxx701
@Sloxx701 Жыл бұрын
LGR is great. Nice work Marc. I just watched a documentary on Facit yesterday so this is nice timing.
@jamesdecross1035
@jamesdecross1035 Жыл бұрын
Astonishing repair!
@tim_bbq1008
@tim_bbq1008 Жыл бұрын
you guys are awesome. that's an impractical calculator from a bygone era. "the minus sign is in your head" is hilarious.
@crazor01
@crazor01 Жыл бұрын
What an awesome collab
@amysyrmis3457
@amysyrmis3457 Жыл бұрын
My two favourite KZfaq creators thank you
@MikeSmith-sh3ko
@MikeSmith-sh3ko Жыл бұрын
In 1970 most calculator's used the same logic as mechanical adding machines this is why there is a += and a -= if you want to add a number use += but taking away needs a bit of thought. 10+2= ? 10+=2+= will give you 12 as expected.but to take away 2 from 10 you need to push 10+=2-= to give result of 8 . Great restoration of lgr's vintage calculator the only thing is once you start collecting them it gets a bit out of control. Great work 👍
@skfalpink123
@skfalpink123 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely amazing!
@ToTheGAMES
@ToTheGAMES Жыл бұрын
Greetings! CuriousMarc here with another LGR fixing thing.
@Dirty_Bits
@Dirty_Bits Жыл бұрын
Awesome work! Even though the problem was anticlimactic, the process and description of the hardware was fantastic!
@markhunt5659
@markhunt5659 Жыл бұрын
Love the channel.
@zxborg9681
@zxborg9681 Жыл бұрын
I liked seeing that serial ALU design. Funnily enough, I implemented a similar scheme in a Xilinx FPGA a few years back to make optimal use of some of the fast built-in addressable shift register elements at speed. The more things change, the more they stay the same! And now I have LGR's whole new channel to explore, too. Nice.
@paulwomack5866
@paulwomack5866 Жыл бұрын
When I was working with AMD 29300 bit slice (not really bit slices) the registers and latches in the range all had a serial "through channel", so that ALL the registers and latches could be joined up in one massive daisy chain with read/write access. Very helpful for initial loading, and for the debugger we wrote. (this is all from memory, it was 1986. If you want details you'll need to look them up!)
@zxborg9681
@zxborg9681 Жыл бұрын
@@paulwomack5866 Just looked up the databook to jog my memory. Man, to think that 35 years ago they were making parts I still think are cool! I know JTAG is mainly for pin scanning and board test, but I thought at one point you were supposed to have been able to use it for a similar idea, to preload and examine internal state as well as pin state. I can see how that ability would make your debugger work nicely, though.
@mikcnmvedmsfonoteka
@mikcnmvedmsfonoteka Жыл бұрын
Cool crossover with LGR, what's next - 8bit guy, Teachmoan, Tehnology Conections etc!?
@brunomoyano8727
@brunomoyano8727 Жыл бұрын
Hope so
@ToTheGAMES
@ToTheGAMES Жыл бұрын
I hope the 8-bit guy, because if that man tries to fix something it's a recipe for disaster.
@mikcnmvedmsfonoteka
@mikcnmvedmsfonoteka Жыл бұрын
@@ToTheGAMES especially if it's something rare... and you use dremel and paper clip on a psu
@brunomoyano8727
@brunomoyano8727 Жыл бұрын
@@mikcnmvedmsfonotekayeah realy he is more of retrobriths
@Rob2
@Rob2 Жыл бұрын
@@ToTheGAMES Repairing is better left to Adrian (from the digital basement)
@mrjsv4935
@mrjsv4935 Жыл бұрын
Very nice fix, lovely calculator with those glowing numbers :)
@petesapwell
@petesapwell Жыл бұрын
Wonderful machine!
@Enigma758
@Enigma758 Жыл бұрын
Great repair!
@T_Mo271
@T_Mo271 Жыл бұрын
What a nice piece of equipment.
@pablotoledo3935
@pablotoledo3935 Жыл бұрын
nice work!
@darrenerickson1288
@darrenerickson1288 Жыл бұрын
Love the crossover! Liked LGR's vid and this one too!
@dwaynezilla
@dwaynezilla Жыл бұрын
That nixie calculator has a real nice feel to it
@danaitch4095
@danaitch4095 Жыл бұрын
Nice save!
@Geomanb
@Geomanb Жыл бұрын
Both my favourite KZfaqrs!
@tambarskelfir
@tambarskelfir Жыл бұрын
Beautiful calculator!
@kellyherald1390
@kellyherald1390 Жыл бұрын
This has to be one the easiest restorations you've done in quite a while. Great job keeping this calculator from being cannibalized and being lost to history.
@eddiehimself
@eddiehimself Жыл бұрын
The most ambitious crossover of 2022!
@TotallyBCK
@TotallyBCK Жыл бұрын
this is very cool!
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